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by azazel » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:40 am

ycr007 wrote:Some of the movies in which Feroze Khan acted Were: Raat Aur din,Rani aur lal pari,Safar,Sau Saal Baad,Sharafat Chod di maine,Geeta mera naam.......


may have seen a few if not all, cant make out which is which.. :?

These seem to be Western ripoffs(judging by their titles):International crook,Kachche Heere,Kala Sona,Khote Sikkey,Main wohi Hoon, Qurbani




'cept Qurbani, mebbe.. not exactly rip-offs but inspired from hollywood.

where'd u get the info from?
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by ycr007 » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:49 am

where'd u get the info from?


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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:27 am

Let's pick up some momentum here. I think we've already laid bare FK. Shall we move on to the next in line? What say about Prakash Mehra? Another director who got the very best out of the Big B. Prakash Mehra was instrumental in creating the Angry Young Man image for him. But he had his fair share of movies sans Amitabh too. My views on his movies.



Haseena Maan Jayegi : I saw this movie when I was in the 8th standard and liked it so much that I went on to see it twice more. Although it was a suspense drama, the repeat views were never boring as the movie had Shashi Kapoor put in one of his best performances. The pace was fast and the music was decent. There were a couple of good numbers in O Dilbar Janiye & Bekhudi Mein Sanam. In short, a very good debut.



Haath ki Safai : Another entertainer. This one had Vinod Khanna and Randhir Kapoor, brothers separated in childhood, growing up to be the cop and conman. Simi Garewal was as usual, graceful and stunning. The movie features one of my favourite songs, Peenewaalon ko peene ka bahana chahiye although Waada Karle Saajna went on to become one of the most loved songs in hindi film history.



Zanjeer : The Big B's first hit. This was the movie that started the Angry Young Man juggernaut. Excellent performances from Amitabh, Jaya, Pran and Ajeet.



Mukaddar Ka Sikandar : One of the best ever casting in bollywood history. Everyone fit his/her role to a T. Each character was strongly built and was integral to the movie. The music was good and so were the performances by Amitabh, Vinod Khanna, Rakhee and Rekha. IMO, the best movie Prakash Mehra made.



Lawaris : The next installment from the AYM stable. This one was the story of a child born out of wedlock and how he grows up as an orphan. Again, terrific performances by Amitabh and Amjad Khan. Ranjeet was good as ever as the nasty villian. Zeenat Aman played the customary female lead but not much in the movie for her.



Namak Halaal : A sudden jump from the Angry Young Man thrillers to comedy and he did it so well. Extracting one of AB's best comic performances, Prakash Mehra showed why he was held in such awe as a director. Shashi Kapoor was his usual boisterous self and the female leads were Smita Patil & Parveen Babi. Namak Halaal had one of the best ever scores composed by the much maligned Bappi Lahiri with masterpieces like Pag Ghungroo Bandh, Jawaani Jaaneman, Aaj Rapat Jayein & Thodi Si Jo Pee Li Hai. But the overall highlight of the movie is the monologue on English and the cricket commentary by Amitabh - One of the funniest scenes ever made in Bollywood.



Sharaabi : Back to the AYM mode. This comes almost close to MKS in terms of viewing quality. The bedrock of the movie are the impressive dialogues and the exchanges between Pran, who plays a self involved and money minded businessman and Amitabh, his ignored son. Om Prakash, as Pran's munim who is a foster father to the ignored child put in what I feel is his best ever performance. Jayaprada is the female lead. Another movie where Bappida was in subtle form, composing all time greats like Inteha Ho Gayi & De De Pyaar De.



Prakash Mehra did make some more movies after this, but could never manage to equal the standards he set for himself. The stage is open for you all.
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by Lucifer » Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:03 am

How about Guru Dutt? Has junta missed the absolute man? HP? You listening?
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:56 am

Lucifer wrote:How about Guru Dutt? Has junta missed the absolute man? HP? You listening?




Junta hasn't missed him at all. The problem here is that there's too long a waiting list. You suggested Guru Dutt. I already have Bimal Roy, K.Asif, S.Mukherji, Gulzaar, Govind Nihalani, Shyam Benegal, Mahesh Bhatt, Rajkumar Santoshi apart from Guru Dutt. Others may have many more.



You can start with Guru Dutt next...after we finish with Prakash Mehra.
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by CtrlAltDel » Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:42 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:The stage is open for you all.
ab kya bataoon HP, u've covered almost all his best movies....except:



Hera Pheri, starring Amithab and Vinod Khanna as con men in this comic thriller. its a typical 70s ka good masala entertainer!



Khoon Pasina, also starring Amithab and Vinod Khanna, this time in a serious tale of 2 friends seperated in childhood and getting together in adverse circumstances when adults. a good performance from all.



btw, are Pukaar, Majboor, Desh Premi, Kasme Vaade (all starring Big B) directed by Prakash Mehra too?



unfortunately PM's slump started with the embarrassing Jaadugar starring the Big B. this almost bankrupted Mehra and he was never the same again. later he attempted duds like Zindagi Ek Jua (Anil Kapoor, Madhuri), Bal Brahmachari (Puru Rajkumar, Karishma) and i think 2 more (dont remember the titles.



abt 2 yrs ago, i heard he's readying a script for another Amithab movie. lets hope this happens and brings back his golden touch!
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by akhilis2cool » Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:32 pm

Out of the list mentioned by HP and CAD the Prakash Mehra movie i like the most was MKS.



He is one director who exploited amitabh bachchans talent like none other, even ramesh sippy.



P.S.BTW whos the next director?
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by CtrlAltDel » Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:41 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:P.S.BTW whos the next director?
Dada Kondke?
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by ycr007 » Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:03 pm

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akhilis2cool wrote:P.S.BTW whos the next director?
Dada Kondke?




What abt RGV??? His Naach is gonna hit the theatres soon....
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by The Jackal » Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:36 pm

ycr007 wrote:
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akhilis2cool wrote:P.S.BTW whos the next director?
Dada Kondke?


What abt RGV??? His Naach is gonna hit the theatres soon....
I like his telugu movies more than his hindi ones.The only hindi ones I liked were Company and Rangeela.He has a cool style.His arrogance is kinda cool.He really doesnt give a damn to the people who see his movies. :D :D
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by CtrlAltDel » Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:22 pm

The Jackal wrote:I like his telugu movies more than his hindi ones.The only hindi ones I liked were Company and Rangeela.He has a cool style.His arrogance is kinda cool.He really doesnt give a damn to the people who see his movies. :D :D
one of the reasons why he stopped making telugu films is that his kind of films wont run in telugu where the majority want a "mass" entertainer.

among his telugu films i liked Shiva, Kshana Kshanam and Antham. tho the last mentioned flopped, it was an excellent thriller starring Nagarjuna, Urmila and Danny, far ahead of its times!

i liked all the hindi films he directed except Daud. i rate Company really "up" there....among the best! i am eagerly waiting for Naach...lets see what he has done in it!



he also produces a zillion films in Telugu and Hindi giving his assitants an opportunity to direct. though many of them have not done very well, they are all admirable efforts that usually manage to recover the investment.



his arrogance is what makes him special. he believes in creativity and new ideas knowing fully well that the public might reject them. he plays by his own terms and shud continue to do so. as long as the likes of him are around there is hope for indian cinema.
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:50 pm

A2C....not only did I just mention MKS....I even rated it the best PM movie.



BTW...I blasphemed on my reply to lucifer by not including Yash Chopra on the list.



As for RGV....he needs two basic corrections in his style.



1. He needs to be more consistent with quality. Every other movie he makes is good...and the intervening ones are absolute duds.



2. He needs to concentrate more on his movie endings. He builds up good pace and tempo only to fizzle out of steam at the end.



I did like Shiva a lot....one of the very few action flicks which I can see again and again without getting bored (minus the accents ofcourse).



Other RGV movies I liked were Rangeela (again the end dragged on); Company (much more subtle and restrained than Satya) and Daud (The end here too was a catastrophe though).
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by ycr007 » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:31 am

I Disagree that RGV needs any change in style.In fact he's one of the most stylish n slickest filmmaker in bollywood today.All of his films literally ooze style.Even after facing failure at the box office n criticism for his disparate movies he has not changed track and continues to make movies that are masterpieces in their own sense.



His telugu movies like Shiva,Kshana Kshanam,Gaayam changed the scenario of moviemaking & forced the audience to sit & take notice.He has tackled myriad themes with finesse & aplomb.Right from the mythological Govinda Govinda to the Spooky Raatri,Pacy Anaganaga oka roju to the love story prema katha,have that indelible RGV stamp.



Agreed that some of his movies have been duds at the box office.But Varma is undeterred.He makes movies only for the love of it & not for the money or adulations.In hindi he has given us classics like Raat,Satya,Rangeela,Kaun,Mast,Jungle etc which have made stars out of Revathy,Manoj Bajpai,Urmila,Aftab,& Sushant to name a few.Even in telugu his characters have made stars out of mere mortals.Who can forget Nagarjuna in Shiva or Brahmanandam in Money & Anaganaga Oka Roju.



Of late,he has concentrated more on movie production than direction.He has been the EP for movies like Thiruda Thiruda,Gulabi,Dil Se,Pyaar Tune kya kiya,Road.He has brought to the fore talented directors like Prawaal Raman,E.Niwas,Krishna Vamsi,Sriram Raghavan,Rajat Mukherjee.



RGV is a filmmaking machine.He eats, sleeps and breathes movies. He is very practical. He cuts through all the bull**** and gets to the meat of the matter.His movie-house is eponymous with his ideologies: The Factory.
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by ycr007 » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:33 am

I Disagree that RGV needs any change in style.In fact he's one of the most stylish n slickest filmmaker in bollywood today.All of his films literally ooze style.Even after facing failure at the box office n criticism for his disparate movies he has not changed track and continues to make movies that are masterpieces in their own sense.



His telugu movies like Shiva,Kshana Kshanam,Gaayam marked a paradigm shift in the style of moviemaking & forced the audience to sit & take notice.He has tackled myriad themes with finesse & aplomb.Right from the mythological Govinda Govinda to the Spooky Raatri,Pacy Anaganaga oka roju to the love story prema katha,have that indelible RGV stamp.



Agreed that some of his movies have been duds at the box office.But Varma is undeterred.He makes movies only for the love of it & not for the money or adulations.In hindi he has given us classics like Raat,Satya,Rangeela,Kaun,Mast,Jungle etc which have made stars out of Revathy,Manoj Bajpai,Urmila,Aftab,& Sushant to name a few.Even in telugu his characters have made stars out of mere mortals.Who can forget Nagarjuna in Shiva or Brahmanandam in Money & Anaganaga Oka Roju.



Of late,he has concentrated more on movie production than direction.He has been the EP for movies like Thiruda Thiruda,Gulabi,Dil Se,Pyaar Tune kya kiya,Road.He has brought to the fore talented directors like Prawaal Raman,E.Niwas,Krishna Vamsi,Sriram Raghavan,Rajat Mukherjee.



RGV is a filmmaking machine.He eats, sleeps and breathes movies. He is very practical. He cuts through all the bull**** and gets to the meat of the matter.His movie-house is eponymous with his ideologies: The Factory.
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by ycr007 » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:35 am

:oops: :? *Apologises for the dual posts* :oops: :?
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:40 am

Ek baar bolne se bahut tha....2-2 baar bolne ki koi zaroorat nahi :)



Anyways, I agree with most of what you said about RGV. He is prolific. Yes. He is creative. No Doubts. He is stylish. Goes without saying. I didn't mean a major change in style. I meant just a bit of fine tuning - Concentrate more on the climaxes of his movies and keep a semblance of consistency in filmmaking. I fail to understand how someone who gave us films like Shiva, Rangeela, Daud & Company could dish out fare like Kaun, Mast & Jungle (If you find these films classics, I pity your taste).
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by Jaszalcatraz » Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:22 am

Just got off the bus. Was a 14 hour journey. So excuse grammatical errors.



RGV directed films-good

RGV produced films - endings bad



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by SimarikSmokin » Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:18 am

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by CtrlAltDel » Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:47 am

Jaszalcatraz wrote:RGV directed films-good
RGV produced films - endings bad
exactly! most of the films he directed were good. the only RGV directed films i didnt enjoy are Govinda Govinda (telugu), Daud and Mast.



most of the films mentioned here are produced by him and directed by his assistants to whom he gives full creative freedom and control. they are all n00bs and still, they show very good talent and potential. maybe they need polishing, but no one can deny their talent.



RGV must be really commended for his bravery in trying out new people, concepts and ideas unlike other established producers. he beats his own path and dares the audiences to follow it! thanfully not all the films he produced are financial disasters...they manage to recover their money from limited runs in cities.
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by rabab » Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:55 am

oh gosh i have seen so many Old Movies...but i have never noticed whos the director...all i know is who is the actor,actress, what's the story and what songs are in there :roll:
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by The Jackal » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:03 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:most of the films mentioned here are produced by him and directed by his assistants to whom he gives full creative freedom and control. they are all n00bs and still, they show very good talent and potential. maybe they need polishing, but no one can deny their talent.
Come on he doesnt give his assitants freedom at all.He himself told that he interfeared too much with Road that it sucked.Of course he is giving freedom now but before Road he never used to give them freedom. :D
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by CtrlAltDel » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:27 pm

The Jackal wrote:Come on he doesnt give his assitants freedom at all.He himself told that he interfeared too much with Road that it sucked.Of course he is giving freedom now but before Road he never used to give them freedom. :D
he became involved deeply in Road coz he helped with the screenplay and it was one of his earliest films as a producer. his vision didnt match the director's. RGV then realized his mistake and decided not to interfere in any way, even the screenplay. he didnt get egoistic n blame the director.
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by The Jackal » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:30 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:
The Jackal wrote:Come on he doesnt give his assitants freedom at all.He himself told that he interfeared too much with Road that it sucked.Of course he is giving freedom now but before Road he never used to give them freedom. :D
he became involved deeply in Road coz he helped with the screenplay and it was one of his earliest films as a producer. his vision didnt match the director's. RGV then realized his mistake and decided not to interfere in any way, even the screenplay. he didnt get egoistic n blame the director.
Yeah true.Didnt see the other side of it. :D
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by ycr007 » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:33 pm

Well,Atleast he's giving the newbies a chance.In recent times,acclaimed directors like Karan Johar & Vidhu Vinod Chopra too did the same with Nikhil Advani & Rajkumar Hirani.The moment their movies became hits,they got dumped like hot Potatoes.I hear Karan refused to fund Nikhil's next movie unless He got a chance to direct it.So Nikhil's approaching another Producer.
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by The Jackal » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:39 pm

ycr007 wrote:Well,Atleast he's giving the newbies a chance.In recent times,acclaimed directors like Karan Johar & Vidhu Vinod Chopra too did the same with Nikhil Advani & Rajkumar Hirani.The moment their movies became hits,they got dumped like hot Potatoes.I hear Karan refused to fund Nikhil's next movie unless He got a chance to direct it.So Nikhil's approaching another Producer.
I thought he dumped him because there were objection in the script by Johar. :? The guy thinks hes Tarantino of India.Tarantino wrote Pulp Fiction in Amsterdam because he felt that there were too many distractions in US,this was wht this a-hole did,he is writing his next script in London because there are too many distractions in Mumbai.I mean come on every other actor goes to London every week from Hindi Industry and they would naturally meet him. :roll: :roll:
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