Do we really want to be engineers?

[igiveadamn]

I agree... but who said that life is easy? Think about it... peer pressure for a while... or a lifetime of thinking that you should have done something else. Life is too short to harbour regrets

I concur too, but then how many kids are mature enough to handle peer pressure? I am talking about 14 or 15 years. And by the time you are mature enough, there's nothing left but regret. Like you said, life's not easy.

[Arti]

I agree... but who said that life is easy? Think about it... peer pressure for a while... or a lifetime of thinking that you should have done something else. Life is too short to harbour regrets

I concur too, but then how many kids are mature enough to handle peer pressure? I am talking about 14 or 15 years. And by the time you are mature enough, there's nothing left but regret. Like you said, life's not easy.

It's sad that most of us have to make tough decisions when we really are not equipped to. But hey, that's changing now. I think kids today have a lot more choices than I did when I was in school.

[igiveadamn]

It's sad that most of us have to make tough decisions when we really are not equipped to. But hey, that's changing now. I think kids today have a lot more choices than I did when I was in school.

True, and I am happy for the generations to come too. They are going to have people like us for their parents .

[Arti]

It's sad that most of us have to make tough decisions when we really are not equipped to. But hey, that's changing now. I think kids today have a lot more choices than I did when I was in school.

True, and I am happy for the generations to come too. They are going to have people like us for their parents .

You seem to say that with a lot more conviction that I would

[igiveadamn]

You seem to say that with a lot more conviction that I would

Why, are you unsure about giving your kids complete freedom?

[Arti]

You seem to say that with a lot more conviction that I would

Why, are you unsure about giving your kids complete freedom?

I was thinking on other lines

[san]

All this fuss about becoming engineers! Most of them end up doing s/w dev, as someone mentioned in one of the posts, irralative of what they studied for 4 years. I hope things will be different for next generation. Kids should be encouraged to explore different avenues right from the start. Atleast give them a chance to choose.

[Arti]

All this fuss about becoming engineers! Most of them end up doing s/w dev, as someone mentioned in one of the posts, irralative of what they studied for 4 years. I hope things will be different for next generation. Kids should be encouraged to explore different avenues right from the start. Atleast give them a chance to choose.

Yup!

[Sharjeel]

All this fuss about becoming engineers!

That is because Engineering is the stream in which pople learn a lot and have a lot of fun too. Arent a lot of good professions. Lesse: Doctor, Teacher, armed Forces, politics, which is about it. There is a lot of fuss about the other professions mentioned, but you may be ignoring them, and focussing too much on Engineering, since it is in boom now.



I am an about-to-be engineer (from the past 3 years ), and I think it definitely is a good stream if a person has the aptitude.



Horses for Courses, as everyone has been sayng on this thread. But you really do not expect a 10th or 12th pass student to have any sense of purpose. Some do, but most of them are really just following some trend or jes want to take up what their friends have took up. So it is better if the parents decide a few options and ask their children to choose from them.

[Arti]

All this fuss about becoming engineers!

That is because Engineering is the stream in which pople learn a lot and have a lot of fun too. Arent a lot of good professions. Lesse: Doctor, Teacher, armed Forces, politics, which is about it. There is a lot of fuss about the other professions mentioned, but you may be ignoring them, and focussing too much on Engineering, since it is in boom now.

I am an about-to-be engineer (from the past 3 years ), and I think it definitely is a good stream if a person has the aptitude.

Horses for Courses, as everyone has been sayng on this thread. But you really do not expect a 10th or 12th pass student to have any sense of purpose. Some do, but most of them are really just following some trend or jes want to take up what their friends have took up. So it is better if the parents decide a few options and ask their children to choose from them.

you seem to be the kind of guy who lets his parents decide everything... no offense meant and I do hope that none will be taken

[Sharjeel]

you seem to be the kind of guy who lets his parents decide everything... no offense meant and I do hope that none will be taken

None taken Sis!



From my very childhood I have seen my parents taking decisions and making choices, and they have all been very logical and good for us. Therefore, i trust them completely and altho I do have an opinion and sometimes go against their decisions, i believe they are still much better equipped to make the choices for me. they have never pushed something onto me, but have given me a range of choices, so I feel comfortable in letting them handle my business.

[Arti]

you seem to be the kind of guy who lets his parents decide everything... no offense meant and I do hope that none will be taken

None taken Sis!

From my very childhood I have seen my parents taking decisions and making choices, and they have all been very logical and good for us. Therefore, i trust them completely and altho I do have an opinion and sometimes go against their decisions, i believe they are still much better equipped to make the choices for me. they have never pushed something onto me, but have given me a range of choices, so I feel comfortable in letting them handle my business.

Brings back memories of my initial days in Hyderabad... a colleague was telling me that parents took good decisions and hence should decide everything. My question... when do you start deciding for yourself?



She also said that parents must save up enough money and build a house for each child... or at least one that's big enough to hold all kids and their families... my question... why? If parents are good at deciding, then they should allow the kids to learn good decision making (I remember having a class on that ) from them.



If parents can earn that much in one lifetime... teach the kids how.. so that they can do the same in their lifetimes.

[Sharjeel]

Brings back memories of my initial days in Hyderabad... a colleague was telling me that parents took good decisions and hence should decide everything. My question... when do you start deciding for yourself?

She also said that parents must save up enough money and build a house for each child... or at least one that's big enough to hold all kids and their families... my question... why? If parents are good at deciding, then they should allow the kids to learn good decision making (I remember having a class on that ) from them.

If parents can earn that much in one lifetime... teach the kids how.. so that they can do the same in their lifetimes.

Congrats!!! U be a Cool hyderabadi now. Onto STARdom!



We make our decisions for ourselves. But in some cases, we are too stuck up in our little world (of friends, or love intersts,or passion) that we do not always think about the implications of our dcisions. Which is where Parents and (good) friends can come in and caution us, and suggest good choices, or even hold us back forcefully, if we are making a very bad decision.

[Arti]

[/quote]Congrats!!! U be a Cool hyderabadi now. Onto STARdom!



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Thanks

[Sujatha]

1)thats one of the biggest misconceptions held my most indians abt Engineering. those days are long gone.

2)You do not need an engineering degree

3)for instance normal commercial software developemnt and testing do not require a degree in engineering, tho many indian companies insist on it.

4) can prosper without a BE/BTech

Dear control,

I see minimal disturbance behind your assertion. I can understand your feelings. I can explain from my medical field. Though we are well qualified from good government medical colleges, the guys graduated from AIIMS, PGI, JIPMER etc think themselves very high and as usual form sub-circles. I may be little bit exaggerating. That is a fact. When they gather the never try to get opinion from us / share from us.



Same way I have heard stories from my friends who were working with TCS, INFOSYS etc. They had told about the domination of IIT guys. I believe TCS( Tata consultancy services) gives special pay to IIT graduates. I have heard depressed voices from the non IIT guys. I think this was in the year 1996.



In your case, I think it is of different factor. Though you are a good software professional, I think you feel something not there. How the BE/B.tech guys manoeuvre with you.



Finally, how many engineering colleges are present inside and outside-periphery of the Hyderabad city?

[Aquarian81]

Congrats

[CtrlAltDel]

In your case, I think it is of different factor. Though you are a good software professional, I think you feel something not there. How the BE/B.tech guys manoeuvre with you.

in my case i am an average 2nd class BCom degree holder (not even a Masters) who has drifted into software and succeeded. i was fortunate in working for companies that looked at my knowledge and experience rather than what degree i have. i have LEAD teams with engineers and MCAs in them.



based on my past experience i can assert that in commercial software development Engineers are no great shakes. anyone with some aptitude can do the job (this can be easily assessed in a 20 minute interview). its just most Indian companies and Indian managers of MNCs hype up the engineering factor. in the past many of these companies had refused to employ me coz of this and now i can show them my middle finger, or two.

[azazel]

^^^ *clap clap*

see everyone guruji's mind works in more than just the one direction he's famous on the db's for

[Sujatha]

in the past many of these companies had refused to employ me coz of this and now i can show them my middle finger, or two.

That s the Self-confidence



Good.

[solosynergy]

engineering is purely an aptitude based subject.what is taught in the colleges is absolute shit and does not pertain much to what is required by an engineer. and when i am refferring to engineers i am not referring to s/w engg. they r a different lot.



Engineering is all about applying a mathematical apporach to a problem and taking in various constraints like cost, transport etc to get an optimal effective design.ther are very few engineers who understand this. the kind of engg that we ppl undergo in colleges is a turn off to those who are really interested. there is no talk of applications of the concept. all that the present engg does is test ut information retention skills and nothing else.



The quality of the profs is extremely poor. those guys cant make complete sentences in english. All that they do is come to class with a bunch of notes and dictate stuff from there. the labs again are a joke. u do not experiment in a lab in our colleges but u replicate whats been done earlier. the state of affairs is pathetic and the volumes of engineers produced can only survive in the s/w world. So do u really want to be an Engineer or do u want to have an engineering degree ?

[CtrlAltDel]

That s the Self-confidence
Good.

thanQ doctor-garu...

engineering is purely an aptitude based subject.....Engineering is all about applying a mathematical apporach to a problem and taking in various constraints like cost, transport etc to get an optimal effective design.

thats why i say engineers shud do more than sit in a cubicle writing "Hello World" programs.

all that the present engg does is test ut information retention skills and nothing else.

thats true abt most of the education in india, right from school days. in hydbad i have seen that the state syllabus schools are the worst culprits in this regard. the teachers just dictate notes that the students copy without applying their brains on what exactly they r writing. this way the same students demand notes everywhere. i have seen in my team meetings i just have to open my mouth and most of the ppl (generally state school products) start scribbling religiously. when i pause n ask a question they r blank. i literally had to force them to close their books n listen when i am talking. sheeesh....

the volumes of engineers produced can only survive in the s/w world

the fact is they barely manage to survive. most of these BTechs n MTechs languish in the lower levels for a long time only coz they cannot think outta the box and be communicative. they expect spoon feeding everytime and are definitely not leadership material.

u really want to be an Engineer or do u want to have an engineering degree ?

:) a good question. AFAIK, most of the peeps go for the degree...that piece of paper that ensures them status in society and a fat dowry (if male) or discount in dowry (if female)

[Sharjeel]

all that the present engg does is test ut information retention skills and nothing else.

Hello? Have you ever peeked inside an Engineering College? Do you know the sylabus of an Engineering Semester/Term?



Please get your facts straight. Engineers must be one of the most practical oriented stream around.

[solosynergy]

all that the present engg does is test ut information retention skills and nothing else.

Hello? Have you ever peeked inside an Engineering College? Do you know the sylabus of an Engineering Semester/Term?

Please get your facts straight. Engineers must be one of the most practical oriented stream around.

i am an engineer. and what u see is not practical repetitve actions. how much are u allowed to really experiment. first i need to ask u if u r an engineer and then i shall comment

[Sharjeel]

I am. And what about experimentation? What will you do? Take out a pillar from a structure? or will you write code without a keybord?

[solosynergy]

I am. And what about experimentation? What will you do? Take out a pillar from a structure? or will you write code without a keybord?

yeah think abt takin out a pillar from a structure and still maintaining the sturcture to creat some more space and remove an ugly obstruction. as for coding without the keyboard is another good idea for an engineer. maybe u could come up with a drag and drop approach to coding where all u have to do is drag and drop the logic. as cad put it its about thinking out of the box. what we learn at college is nothing compared to what exists in the real world and this is so coz the lecturers don know shit about the industry. its sad that they give notes to engg students. i have heard that in some education systems u have open book exams where u r given the text book. u have to answer the paper applying the info that u have in the text book.