Indian Directors

by **azazel** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:54 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:Clarification : Do Aankhen Baarah Haath wasn't a Hrishida movie. It was made by another great director, V.Shantaram. More on him later in the thread.

er.. who said its a Hrishida movie

read the few posts above yers plz :wink:

by **Sharjeel** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:23 pm

azazel wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:Clarification : Do Aankhen Baarah Haath wasn't a Hrishida movie. It was made by another great director, V.Shantaram. More on him later in the thread.
er.. who said its a Hrishida movie read the few posts above yers plz

*thums up*

I'm not the only one losin it...

Welcome to da club HP!

by **azazel** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:35 pm

ab Shantaram ke baad kaun? Raj Kapoor anyone? my take on RK: over-rated :roll:

by **CtrlAltDel** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:43 pm

i dont think much of RK either....

i say we dissect Manmohan 'Masala King' Desai

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:48 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:i dont think much of RK either....

i say we dissect Manmohan 'Masala King' Desai

Yes...RK was overrated and pushed by PRK. Topic closed.

MMD is a good choice. Especially his work with the big B. Amar Akbar Anthony is perhaps one of the best loved movies of all time.

MMD's trademark used to be the scripts of his film which would have a range of emotions from the tragedy of a broken family, to the thrill of the protagonists' lives and from the romance between the leads to the esctasy of the family reunion. The reunions were probably the best part of his movies as they were outright unimaginable more often than not. But it was still lapped up by the people and he is...as CAD rightly pointed out...the uncrowned king of the masala movie genre.

My favourite MMD movies would be Bluff Master (one of his earlier movies - black & white - with Shammi Kapoor), Rampur Ka Lakshman, Parvarish, Aa Gale Lag Jaa, AAA, Suhaag, Coolie and Mard.

by **CtrlAltDel** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:03 am

Watching a MMD film is a different experience. we shud leave our logic home and just sit back to enjoy the fast moving tale unfolding on the screen. he is probably the father of the Lost n Found (in Kumbh Mela) formula, where the main characters are seperated after a tragedy and then unite usually before the climax, just in time to beat up the villian.

MMD films were characterised by colorful characters, foot tapping songs (usually by Laxmi-Pyare), loud sentiments n dialogs, a widowed long suffering mother, comical villians and thrilling fights. in short his films are in no danger of getting nominated for an Oscar

but who cares abt an Oscar...we want to be entertained and MMD ensured that!

we can call him the director with his finger on the audiences' pulse.....

unfortunately, his last movie (Ganga Jamuna Saraswati) was a badly directed hotch potch that deservedly failed at the Box Office, but we can maybe put it down to his old age....

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:51 am

How about doing a take on Ramesh Sippy now?

He deserves to be up there with the all-time greats solely on the basis of Sholay. But then he had some other good films in Shakti, Shaan, Seeta aur Geeta & Saagar.

His movies were slickly produced entertainers - very run of the mill stories, scripts etc. But what set him apart was his cockiness and experiments. He released Sholay on 70mm when nobody wanted to touch it because of the high equipment cost etc. And who would have ever dreamt that a dacoit tale would end up being one of the most loved and most watched movies in bollywood history?

Shaan was special because it had one of my favourite hindi movie badies - apart from Gabbar Singh ofcourse - Shakaal. Shakti had an explosive on-screen combo in Dilip Kumar and the Big B. And RS didn't disappoint there. He handled the two stars so deftly, giving both a very strong character, lots of screen presence and audience sympathy too. Saagar will be best remembered as the irreplacable Dimple's comeback vehicle. And what a comeback it was.

The music in his films was Pancham domain. And Pancham gave some of his most memorable tunes in RS movies. "Mehbooba Mehbooba", "Jaane Kaise Kab aur Kahan", "Yamma Yamma" and the unforgettable soundtrack of Saagar tell a lot about RS' taste in music.

I hand over the stage now to you all. Your take on Ramesh Sippy.

by **akhilis2cool** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:49 am

Ramesh sippys movies are gr8 to watch. esp. sholay and shaan. i would say shaan was in some ways better than sholay...esp some of the action sequences were breath taking.

I wonder why he stopped making action films. his son directed flop "kuch na kaho"....i suggest they shld. stick to action movies. let the karan johars...and yash chopraas handle the love thingys.

by **CtrlAltDel** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:39 am

Ramesh Sippy is a good choice for this discussion! he burst into the limelight with Sholay but sadly that sort of became a millstone around his neck. he could never surpass it and all his subsequent movies were inevitably compared to Sholay.

he did make good movies after that, with varying degrees of success. Shaan was a slick n well made thriller that didnt do as well as expected, maybe coz it was too far ahead of its time. if he had made Shaan in the late 80s or 90s, maybe it wud have become a blockbuster too. maybe after the current re-release of Sholay in new print and digital sound, he could do the same with Shaan and Sagar, but these two have been over exposed on TV already.

I think his last film was the huge dud Akeyla *ing the Big B.....

His family is still enjoying the fruits of Sholay by way of royalties and repeat box office collections, even more than 25 years of its release. i dont know if any other movie can surpass Sholay as a real evergreen success. Maine Pyar Kiya, Hum Aapke Hain Koun and DDLJ did break Sholay's record in collections and length of first run, but the difference is that very few would watch them again n again if they r rereleased today or anytime in the future.

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:32 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:i dont know if any other movie can surpass Sholay as a real evergreen success. Maine Pyar Kiya, Hum Aapke Hain Koun and DDLJ did break Sholay's record in collections and length of first run, but the difference is that very few would watch them again n again if they r rereleased today or anytime in the future.

One more point is that although MPK, HAHK, DDLJ etc. might have broken Sholay's collection records but we should not forget that ppl paid a Rs.5 ticket for watching Sholay but the same people ended up paying 10 times that amount...or maybe more in some places...for the other movies.

by **CtrlAltDel** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:35 pm

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:One more point is that although MPK, HAHK, DDLJ etc. might have broken Sholay's collection records but we should not forget that ppl paid a Rs.5 ticket for watching Sholay but the same people ended up paying 10 times that amount...or maybe more in some places...for the other movies.

oh yeah that too!

by **azazel** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:35 pm

S H O L A Y :!:

the movie, by itself is enuff to propel Ramesh Sippy into the league of extra-ordinary movie-makers. was wondering unka no. kab aayega, ab aaya hai! guess most of the discussion has already taken place..so.. my kudos to ye gentlemen.. move on

by **CtrlAltDel** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:57 am

azazel wrote:my kudos to ye gentlemen.. move on

...to Karan Johar...? :mrgreen:

*ducks n runs before stone pelting starts..*

by **azazel** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:04 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:...to Karan Johar...?

why not? the guy's made 2 movies so far n both massive hits. forget the fact tht most of us on the dbs hate his movies but u cant disown the fact tht he succeeded in making movies tht touched the hearts of some ppl[franky, i have no clue how?!?!]

*ducks n runs before stone pelting starts..*

*[i]over-takes n trips CAD n runs away as CAD falls n gets hit[i]*

by **azazel** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:38 pm

damn, after the stooping to new levels of muck with Karan Johar, i think its time to move on towards the better names in the biz.. as HP was suggesting yes, the FK brand of hardcore commercial cinema.. for the ignorants.. FK--> Feroz Khan, the baap of style ..

[save for the last coupla disasters]

*calling HP*

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:04 am

azazel wrote:damn, after the stooping to new levels of muck with Karan Johar, i think its time to move on towards the better names in the biz.. as HP was suggesting yes, the FK brand of hardcore commercial cinema.. for the ignorants.. FK--> Feroz Khan, the baap of style .. [save for the last coupla disasters]

*calling HP*

The goat lord beckons and I'm here.

FK...one of my favourite directors. As Azazel said, he's the Baap of Style. His movies were out-n-out potboilers with loads of glam, beautiful locations, fast pace of screenplay and some foot tapping music. Let's have a look at some of his movies.

1. Dharmatma : A take on Godfather, this one was shot in Afghanistan. Wonderful locales and some songs like Tere Chehre Mein Woh Jaadoo Hai still evoke a lot of nostalgia.

2. Qurbani : One of my favourite movies. I've seen it n number of times and wouldn't mind a few more times. Powerhouse performances by FK, Vinod Khanna & above all, Amjad Khan. Zeenat looked at her ravishing best in the movie and this is one soundtrack all hindi film fan should posess.

3. Jaanbaaz : One of the most stylish movies ever made, this one was a story of a narcotics cop and his brushes with the mafia. Again, lovely music, good performances by FK & Anil Kapoor and the glam job well handled by Sridevi & Dimple. The music was again hummable with the outstanding track being Har Kisiko Nahi Milta.

4. Dayavaan : A movie inspired by the tamil flick Nayakan and the mumbai don, Varadarajan Mudaliar, the movie is probably best remembered for the famous Vinod Khanna-Madhuri Dixit smooch. It was a good movie but got eclipsed by the Tamil version which was better.

5. Yalgaar : This is probably where the slump started. This movie was high on style but low on substance. A powerhouse cast including FK, Kabir Bedi & Sunjay Dutt was grossly underused. A new introduction...don't even remember his name...was one of FK's biggest letdowns.

After this, FK introduced his son Cocaine Khan who was an even bigger letdown than the unshaved wierdo in Yalgaar. He made two films, Prem Aggan and Janasheen with sonny and both were big flops. The fact that the music was good in both the movies goes without saying, but they fell bigtime on expectations generally associated with the original...and IMO real...King Khan.

by **azazel** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:30 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:Dharmatma : A take on Godfather, this one was shot in Afghanistan. Wonderful locales and some songs like Tere Chehre Mein Woh Jaadoo Hai still evoke a lot of nostalgia.

i like the movie for still retaining a lot of originality. it wasnt a plain rip-off of the Godfather, set in the modern-times with the hero taking over the role of all the brothers from GF n the dose of sentimentality for the Indian audiences thrown in. Man, FK knew how to play to the audiences' senses. Again, stylistically, he had no match, atleast for those times.

Qurbani : One of my favourite movies. I've seen it n number of times and wouldn't mind a few more times. Powerhouse performances by FK, Vinod Khanna & above all, Amjad Khan. Zeenat looked at her ravishing best in the movie and this is one soundtrack all hindi film fan should posess.

my fav FK movie. had everything to look for in a slick action thriller, great acting, story, performances, Zeenat Aman[the femmes in FK movies were portrayed beautifully, no vulgarity!], great action sequences[who'd have destroyed a Mercedes?!?!] n the debut of hindi movies' most prolific actors Shakti Kapoor. Not to mention, a fabulous Amjad Khan presented in a totally different avatar.

Jaanbaaz : One of the most stylish movies ever made, this one was a story of a narcotics cop and his brushes with the mafia. Again, lovely music, good performances by FK & Anil Kapoor and the glam job well handled by Sridevi & Dimple. The music was again hummable with the outstanding track being Har Kisiko Nahi Milta.

i didnt like it as much as Dharmatma or Qurbaani tho. it was a good movie, this time attempting somethin new again. The hero, Anil Kapoor, was portrayed as having very dark shades, almost villian like quite unheard of in mainstream cinema.

Dayavaan : A movie inspired by the tamil flick Nayakan and the mumbai don, Varadarajan Mudaliar, the movie is probably best remembered for the famous Vinod Khanna-Madhuri Dixit smooch. It was a good movie but got eclipsed by the Tamil version which was better.

liked this one too, Vinod Khanna was superb in it. havent seen the original Kamal Hassan[ :wink:

@ HP] movie tho so cant comment on that aspect.

Yalgaar : This is probably where the slump started. This movie was high on style but low on substance. A powerhouse cast including FK, Kabir Bedi & Sunjay Dutt was grossly underused. A new introduction...don't even remember his name...was one of FK's biggest letdowns.

this one had the style but almost zero substance. also, FK made a blunder by castin himself in the role he played, was too old for it.

After this, FK introduced his son Cocaine Khan who was an even bigger letdown than the unshaved wierdo in Yalgaar. He made two films, Prem Aggan and Janasheen with sonny and both were big flops. The fact that the music was good in both the movies goes without saying, but they fell bigtime on expectations generally associated with the original...and IMO real...King Khan.

*screams naheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*

*ahem* another thing i'd like to mention here is the fact tht apart from being the Baap of Style, FK was also a very good actor n tht voice set him apart from his contemporaries. fast cars, beautiful women, great songs, gorgeous locales, pulse-pounding action.. FK fer ya :twisted:

p.s: dun think we convered all of his movies..

by **CtrlAltDel** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:31 am

Qurbani and Jaanbaaz are two movies i never tire of seeing again n again!

Qurbani is unforgettable for me coz thats the first movie i saw in hyderabad (at the now closed Surya cinema) as a child in 1980. Jaanbaaz was also unforgettable coz i've seen it zillion times whenever it used to release at Santosh cinema in the 80s. Santosh used to screen Jaanbaaz as a filler almost between every major new release upto the early 90s... and it used to run houseful everytime.

there's another 70s FK film u forgot HP: Apradh with Mumtaz...its set in Germany where FK plays a race car driver who gets involved with a crime syndicate....a very stylish movie!

btw, is the pseudo-western Kaala Sona also produced/directed by FK?

abt Yalgaar as HP said it was stylish and technically superior alrite but had no good screenplay and weak direction by FK himself. that wimpy new-comer mercifully disappeared after this. Sanjay Dutt was deadly as the anti-hero in that film!

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:33 am

No...we haven't. There's still Apradh...his first movie as a director...I haven't seen it...so can't comment.

by **azazel** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:54 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:there's another 70s FK film u forgot HP: Apradh with Mumtaz...its set in Germany where FK plays a race car driver who gets involved with a crime syndicate....a very stylish movie!

thts exactly wht i had in mind! forgot the name of the movie :oops:

a very nice thriller, who had heard of Gran Prix's in India at tht time?!?! its not tht popular as his other movies but definitely one of his best.

btw, is the pseudo-western Kaala Sona also produced/directed by FK?

no idea, dun remember it either

by **ycr007** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:01 am

azazel wrote:
CtrlAltDel wrote:there's another 70s FK film u forgot HP: Apradh with Mumtaz...its set in Germany where FK plays a race car driver who gets involved with a crime syndicate....a very stylish movie!

thts exactly wht i had in mind! forgot the name of the movie a very nice thriller, who had heard of Gran Prix's in India at tht time?!?! its not tht popular as his other movies but definitely one of his best.

btw, is the pseudo-western Kaala Sona also produced/directed by FK?

no idea, dun remember it either

Nope it was'nt dir by FK.Itz director was one very obscure person called Ravi Nagaich

by **azazel** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:09 am

ycr007 wrote:Nope it was'nt dir by FK.Itz director was one very obscure person called Ravi Nagaich

aaah, another movie fan.. nice.. btw, u talkin abt Apradh or Kaala Sona??

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:21 am

He's talking about Kaala Sona there. Apradh was directed by FK for sure.

Talkign of Kaala Sona, FK acted in quite a few ripoffs of westerns...Khotay Sikkey, Kaala Sona...don't remember any other names at this moment.

by **azazel** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:29 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:He's talking about Kaala Sona there. Apradh was directed by FK for sure.

thot so too.. thx

Talkin of Kaala Sona, FK acted in quite a few ripoffs of westerns...Khotay Sikkey, Kaala Sona...don't remember any other names at this moment.

which again has got mostly to do with the stylistic element. have seen a few but dun remember ne names

by **ycr007** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:35 am

Some of the movies in which Feroze Khan acted Were: Raat Aur din,Rani aur lal pari,Safar,Sau Saal Baad,Sharafat Chod di maine,Geeta mera naam.......

These seem to be Western ripoffs(judging by their titles):International crook,Kachche Heere,Kala Sona,Khote Sikkey,Main wohi Hoon,Qurbani.

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