Family planning & mulsim growth rate

[Habitual Perfectionist]

The media is rife with the division among the muslim community over birth control measures. The main reason behind a high percentage of muslims in India being backward is poverty and lack of education. This makes the whole thing a vicious circle where poverty leads to lack of education and the lack of education makes the community believe everything that is said with some modicum of authority. This, in turn, allows the political class to take them for a ride, thus condemning them to eternal poverty.



My personal view is that no religion would have provisions which would lead them to depths like this. Furthermore, IMO, Islam is probably the world's most misunderstood religion, maybe because it doesn't provide a lot of flexibility of thought and reasoning, but that's besides the point. I feel that the clergy should desist from making statements like "Birth control is anti-islam" etc. at the drop of the hat. The laity takes their word to be Allah's word and thus, provides it top priority.



What does the board have to say on this?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Also....IMO, birth control is an issue which should be the prerogative of only the couple in question. I mean who is an AIMPLB member to comment on whether someone should have a child or not or how many children they should have? If a family has more children that it can take care of, is the AIMPLB prepared to fund the expenses?

[Mayavi Morpheus]

What is the percentage of muslim population below poverty and the percentage of Hindus below poverty? What are the absolute numbers of both communities?



Any data available online?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Haven't researched...but the point of this thread was that the political class os making this into a big issue (the BJP & allies are trying to make this into a "Muslims-are-all-set-to-cross-the-hindu-population-in-hindustan" issue while the congress and allies are showing this as the sectarian face of the BJP) but the loser in the end is the poor man and his lack of education is not helping.



Personally, I feel that hindu or muslim, poor people should be educated on the perils of large families. Not that richer people should go all out and produce cricket teams a la Laloo Prasad Yadav (this was to appease MM ) and PV Narasimha Rao. But then, the rich somehow manage to fend for themselves.

[asli_badmash]

What is the percentage of muslim population below poverty and the percentage of Hindus below poverty? What are the absolute numbers of both communities?

Any data available online?

This is what I coulf find...



http://www.censusindia.net/religiondata/index.html.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Thanks AB, but I have already read those pdf files and the data is not much useful.

I am more interested in percentage of population below poverty in each religion and the absolute numbers.

This may explain the poverty leading to population growth theory which HP and many others have put forth.

27% of Indias population is below poverty level (less than 1$ a day) and muslim population of the country is 13% and even if we assume all muslims are below poverty line, that would still leave 14% of population which is hindu (more than muslim poplation in absolute numbers) below poverty line.

I am of the opinion, and its not based on any facts, that ignorance/religious beliefs is the main reason for the population growth, just like there was opposition to polio eradication drive in it early days.

The variation in population growth rate from religion to religion indicates that the population control methods have been a failure in targetting people and need a change. May be roping in religious leaders would be a good idea.

In the next few days we can hear some parties advocation people to reproduce more to encounter muslim growth rate. A year back, before the release of this data, shiv sena offered 10000 Rs to any hindu family which has more than 4 children.

GOI need to act soon, its already late. We need a negative pop growth rate and not the current 2.1%/year growth.

[DQ]

Well din wanna pitch in this argument but



What all the political parties have missed out here is.



1. A disturbing rate of ageing population. (Not a very good sign for a developing nation)



2. If Relegion has to play a part, Hindu fundamentalist need not worry as most of the Hindu population is between 0-6 years. The next 10-15 yrs the hindu side should be sweet



3. Old muslim scholars need to worry at the alarming rate of migration or whatever as the ageing population on the Muslim side of the figures is quite high. Though the rate shows a healthy increase in the figures it also shows the reducing balance of power.



If any body is good at figures a simple look at the charts with population by age should show, if Life expectancy for and Indian is 60 yrs, next 30 yrs Muslim population will be down by between 3-4 % given the current growth rate.

[CtrlAltDel]

i worry abt the poor parsis!



they might become extinct in a few decades if their negative growth rate continues...

[Sharjeel]

Ya, they be nice peoples.





Mebbe I will marry a a parsi and help their growth rate (ok, bad joke)

[CtrlAltDel]

Mebbe I will marry a a parsi and help their growth rate (ok, bad joke)

wont help...coz if a Parsi marries an outsider they are no longer Parsis...thats one of their reasons why their numbers are reducing. many parsis fall in love outside their community n marry and so they are no longer recognized as parsis by their religion.



btw, have u seen Parsi girls....they are usually so beautiful! hate to see them go extinct...

[Sharjeel]

btw, have u seen Parsi girls....they are usually so beautiful! hate to see them go extinct...

Have i seen some? . Prolly, after Christians and Delhi-ites, the only girls who can make me 'ishtammer' are Parsi ones.



Back to the topic, I really think that it is stupidity (sorry for that word, but it really is) on the part of the parsis (like the rule u mention) that is causing their downfall. But i think every religion has that rule...



But by being such tight-knit and shunning outsiders, dont they see that they have no hope?

[CtrlAltDel]

But i think every religion has that rule...

no...atleast hinduism, islam, christianity n sikhs dont...member of any of these religions can marry outsiders and still remain within their religion.



at the most they might be socially boycotted, but thats not the same.

[Sharjeel]

Haan, hamare family mein hi there are two cousins who have married outside Islam, but after the thoo-thoo and 'Kahaani Ghar Ghar ki', people have accepted them, and now are quite cool with them (they even let them into the house )

[azazel]

damn, mera to poori cricket-team banaane ka plan tha..

[CtrlAltDel]

damn, mera to poori cricket-team banaane ka plan tha..

team poora hone ke pehle hi aap non-playing captain banjayenge...

[azazel]

team poora hone ke pehle hi aap non-playing captain banjayenge...

captain? nahee, hum to manager/coach banne-waale the..



p.s: i dun think the census should've been done with religion as the crux.



p.s 2: typo in the thread-name

[akhilis2cool]

Not that richer people should go all out and produce cricket teams a la Laloo Prasad Yadav (this was to appease MM )

jab baat bihar ki chal hi rahi hai to yeh lo.



U mite have heard of this.



The population cntrl. board people went to a bihar village to demonstrate the use of condoms.



To demonstrate how to put it on the officer put it on his finger (instead of his p***s) for obviouis reasons.



the next day when they went back to the village to take feedback they asked one of the villagers how he put it on last nite.



to his shock the officer found that the villagers had put it on the same way as he had (on his finger) and went ahead with the job.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

p.s: i dun think the census should've been done with religion as the crux.

I think it is a good idea.

It tells us whether the government policies are being successfully implemented or not and whether the benefits are reaching the masses irrespective of religion. In this case it clearly demonstrates that family planning measures are a failure as far as muslim community is concerned (all the talk of high fertility rate among muslims is nonsense. We, hindus and muslims, are all the same race). Now that we know that there is a discrepancy in the growth rate the GOI need to identify the core problem and take corrective measures - whether its low growth rate of parsi community or the high growth rate of Hindus and muslims.



Census based on religion is no different from census based on gender, another worrying factor for us. In punjab the female to male ratio among 0-6 years is a low 700 to 1000, currently it is 800 for every 1000. Normally there should be more females per 1000 males.

[Sharjeel]

I too think that the Religion-based census is a good idea.



The more information we have about ourselves, the better managers we can become.

[CtrlAltDel]

I agree with MM here....but sadly certain forces are misusing the information for their own political purposes