Russian crisis

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:36 pm

At least 200 people have been killed during the bloody climax of a three-day hostage crisis at a school in southern Russia, health ministry officials say.

Hundreds of people were injured when explosions and shooting brought the siege to a violent end. Many of the casualties were children.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has arrived on a surprise visit to the site at Beslan, North Ossetia, reports say.

Officials said 27 hostage-takers were killed and three were arrested alive.

The BBC's Damian Grammaticas, at the scene, says three other hostage-takers are still on the run.

The armed group took over the school on Wednesday.

Russian officials have described some of the hostage-takers as mercenaries from Arab countries.

High death toll in Russia siege

by **akhilis2cool** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:22 pm

i dont know why the seiges in russia always end up with a blod bath. even the last time when the auditorium was under seige several russians died as a result of the way it was handled.

i think the PM is answerable to the public here..but then again it is not a democracy....

by **Sharjeel** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:28 pm

Agree with Akhil. My heart goes out to the unfortunate and innocent victims.

The russians have a tendency to disregard human lives sometimes. Sometimes it is good and sometimes it comes out bad.

I heard and read about the training undertaken and tactics used by the Russian police/army/spl ops, and they are very ruithless. I would say that the way Russia deals with terrorists is not bad actually. You have to be strict sometimes and soft at other times. Sort of what Punjab's Supercop has always said (AND he has the results to show).

by **Kenny** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:04 am

Yeah read the paper yesterday and got a real shock. DIdn't expect anything to come out of the whole thing, somehow.

What I didn't get was why children emerged with torn clothes, etc. I know it was a few days in there etc, but that still doesn't account for semi-nude teenagers coming out of the school. What the hell is happening?

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:24 am

hmmm... I expected some kind words for the arab/chechen terrorrists.

The death tool is now 322, nearly 150 children, and most if not all of them were killed by the terrorrists and NOT by russian forces or in cross fire.

The children were shot in the back when they were trying to escape from the gymnasium whose wall collapsed due to an explosion (the terrorrists mishandled a mine).

by **Sharjeel** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:58 pm

Which is why I generally agree with Islam's idea of KP. The punishments are so strict and direct that the bad guys think LONG and HARD before commiting any wrong thing. But im going off topic here.

What I have been trying to say from the outset is that people should not let these bastards rest or anything. They should be tortured IN PUBLIC until they die themselves. Agreed that sometimes people have to take to violence to make changes (think of our revolutionaries), but they should know the consequences.

by **asli_badmash** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:56 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:i dont know why the seiges in russia always end up with a blod bath. even the last time when the auditorium was under seige several russians died as a result of the way it was handled.

.. because the Russians beleive in Low-Tech methods of flushing terrorists out.

by **azazel** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:21 pm

Kenny wrote:What I didn't get was why children emerged with torn clothes, etc. I know it was a few days in there etc, but that still doesn't account for semi-nude teenagers coming out of the school. What the hell is happening?

coz a 1000+ ppl were crammed into a small gym, the heat was unbearable thts y they removed their clothes. also, for 3 days they had no food+water. they were forced to drink their own urine to survive for godssake! whts the world coming to man. may the Lord give patience to the victims' families to bear whts come on them.

by **malakpetmasala** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:15 am

Sharjeel wrote:Which is why I generally agree with Islam's idea of KP. The punishments are so strict and direct that the bad guys think LONG and HARD before commiting any wrong thing. But im going off topic here.

What I have been trying to say from the outset is that people should not let these bastards rest or anything. They should be tortured IN PUBLIC until they die themselves. Agreed that sometimes people have to take to violence to make changes (think of our revolutionaries), but they should know the consequences.

where do u draw a line between revolution and terrorism?

by **asli_badmash** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:48 am

azazel wrote:
Kenny wrote:What I didn't get was why children emerged with torn clothes, etc. I know it was a few days in there etc, but that still doesn't account for semi-nude teenagers coming out of the school. What the hell is happening?

coz a 1000+ ppl were crammed into a small gym, the heat was unbearable thts y they removed their clothes. also, for 3 days they had no food+water. they were forced to drink their own urine to survive for godssake! whts the world coming to man. may the Lord give patience to the victims' families to bear whts come on them.

Yes, God give patience to those who are left behind.

It is a damn shame how this happened... The only thing the terrorists proved is that they are cowards who will use any means to justify their cause.

Its a damn shame... If these people beleive they are doing "Jihad", they are wrong. Islam or for that matter no religion in the world would allow such a thing.

Shame on the people who did this and shame on people who beleive the terrorists were right.

by **Sharjeel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:29 am

malakpetmasala wrote:
Sharjeel wrote:Which is why I generally agree with Islam's idea of KP. The punishments are so strict and direct that the bad guys think LONG and HARD before commiting any wrong thing. But im going off topic here.

What I have been trying to say from the outset is that people should not let these bastards rest or anything. They should be tortured IN PUBLIC until they die themselves. Agreed that sometimes people have to take to violence to make changes (think of our revolutionaries), but they should know the consequences.

where do u draw a line between revolution and terrorism?

You ask a very important question, but dear, it is nor about whether it i revolution or terrorism. The point is that if somebody takes a human life needlessly, then the punishment should be of the same manner, be it a revolutionary or a terrorist.

by DQ » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:56 am

Spread / Return of Barbarism, is what can be said about this.

Atrocious. Children !!!

Reports such as "Children did not know what to do ?"

Horrible man, those of you who have children picturise, your loved one caught in between fire and does not how to react.

You do not expect children to be in War Zones or getting caught in between hostile fires.

Heart rending.

Be it the 300 odd in Russia.

1000s who have died due to cluster bombing etc in Iraq and Afganistan.

Be it ethnic cleansing in Dafur

Be it the retaliatry attacks in Gujrat.

Return of barbarism.

Exactly what happens when international conventions are not followed.

When human life is disregarded.

Innocent blood is shed.

And the first thing politicians around the globe (irrespective of political boundaries) do is to gain political points.

What do you do ?

1. Pray

2. Ensure extremism does not creep in your society.

3. Fight against terror by being brave to expose extremists (be it a Mullah, a "So called RV", or a President of a nation.)

4. Do not give credence to thier voice.

Whatever their reasoning maybe. First call for a end to all violence.

Be it a politician calling a particular community - Bas***d* or a

Mullah calling for Jihad.

Denounce all acts of violence.

Respect International law.

Every individual should make his top most priority to protect a human life (Please again the "HUMAN LIFE" )

by **Sharjeel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:45 pm

The value of the human life keeps on reducing as the population increases.

This wont be the case after a few decades, after whcih the population will start to recede(if we blive the scientists).

by **akhilis2cool** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:17 pm

Sharjeel wrote:The value of the human life keeps on reducing as the population increases.

This wont be the case after a few decades, after whcih the population will start to recede(if we blive the scientists).

off topic but true...theres a aplace in rajasthan where there are no girls at all...all the families have only boys....and now they r finding it difficult to get there sons married!!

shame shame

by **azazel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:27 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:i dont know why the seiges in russia always end up with a blood bath.

dude, the Russian forces were insisting on talks this time. it seems they werent even considering storming the school. but, the chaos was caused when a landmine exploded, which was prolly an accident. they had no other option but to enter the building and try n save as many as possible. they didnt even have proper facts man. it was believed there were far less number of hostages than the actual deal. i agree, a tactical soln. takes time to be implemented and the Russians are not experts at this. its the chaos resulting from tht explosion which messed up everything. blaming the forces by regarding this as a botched rescue attempt is useless. only the $%^$#%^ terrorists are to blame! wht i'd like to knw is who/why did they do this? wht has happened to make humans so cruel to even children!!

i think the PM is answerable to the public here..but then again it is not a democracy....

Russia doesnt have a PM, its only a Presidential govt. headed by tht arrogant prick Putin. he came to power promising to solve the Chechnyan problem which still remains. it is more or less, the cause of this tragedy.

by **akhilis2cool** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:15 pm

when i made my post the info. abt the chaos due to the land mine was not out.....

i dont know wht the terrorists (chechniyans have denied doing it) got out of it....

killing litle children is a pathetic act.

by **azazel** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:30 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:when i made my post the info. abt the chaos due to the land mine was not out.

i knw dude. even wht i wrote was based on the news reports i saw. was following the news just now n this is wht i found:

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/09/fa64c366-b6e3-4433-9665-6cae28e08f76.html

still not clear wht actually happened. i guess all the questions will be answered in the days to come. :roll:

by **akhilis2cool** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:20 am

azazel wrote:still not clear wht actually happened. i guess all the questions will be answered in the days to come.

the russians have a history of hiding there misdeeds frm the world....but in this case threy mite just reveal the truth.

by **marko** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:42 pm

horrible, and so random. how could any human do this, for any cause? now they (understandably) want revenge, which will lead to more attrocities.

by DQ » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:22 am

There has to be some major change in World Politics.

This is heart rending and distressing.

This insanity has to stop. With Kids as young as 3 yrs old around him, look at the callousness of this Ba***d

There has to be some solution to this Insanity. This cannot go on.[/img]

by **Alexis** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:09 am

The images shown on the news on the aftermath of this vicious crime.....ie.,.the mothers wailing and raising their arms towards the sky after finding the remnants of their kids who were badly mutilated in the explosion reminded me of similar scenes in Fahrenheit 9/11.

It seems that the world has definitely lost its humanity, compassion and any goodness. Seriously, I dont know what'll happen next. I mean, what else can possibly shock us now? There are terrorists killing kids, husbands killing wives, mothers killing her babies, others commiting random acts of violence for no apparent reason.

Personally, I believe this is just the beginning of the end.

by **malakpetmasala** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:16 am

Alexis wrote:The images shown on the news on the aftermath of this vicious crime.....ie.,.the mothers wailing and raising their arms towards the sky after finding the remnants of their kids who were badly mutilated in the explosion reminded me of similar scenes in Fahrenheit 9/11.

It seems that the world has definitely lost its humanity, compassion and any goodness. Seriously, I dont know what'll happen next. I mean, what else can possibly shock us now? There are terrorists killing kids, husbands killing wives, mothers killing her babies, others commiting random acts of violence for no apparent reason.

Personally, I believe this is just the beginning of the end.

Beginning of the end or just struggle for existance?

by DQ » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:57 am

malakpetmasala wrote:
Alexis wrote:The images shown on the news on the aftermath of this vicious crime.....ie.,.the mothers wailing and raising their arms towards the sky after finding the remnants of their kids who were badly mutilated in the explosion reminded me of similar scenes in Fahrenheit 9/11.

It seems that the world has definitely lost its humanity, compassion and any goodness. Seriously, I dont know what'll happen next. I mean, what else can possibly shock us now? There are terrorists killing kids, husbands killing wives, mothers killing her babies, others commiting random acts of violence for no apparent reason.

Personally, I believe this is just the beginning of the end.

Beginning of the end or just struggle for existance?

Struggle for Existence :-/ .

If this continues you'll probably be extinct.

by **malakpetmasala** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:18 am

DQ wrote:
malakpetmasala wrote:
Alexis wrote:The images shown on the news on the aftermath of this vicious crime.....ie.,.the mothers wailing and raising their arms towards the sky after finding the remnants of their kids who were badly mutilated in the explosion reminded me of similar scenes in Fahrenheit 9/11.

It seems that the world has definitely lost its humanity, compassion and any goodness. Seriously, I dont know what'll happen next. I mean, what else can possibly shock us now? There are terrorists killing kids, husbands killing wives, mothers killing her babies, others commiting random acts of violence for no apparent reason.

Personally, I believe this is just the beginning of the end.

Beginning of the end or just struggle for existance?

Struggle for Existence :-/ .
If this continues you'll probably be extinct.

but is nt that how nature works?

by DQ » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:41 am

malakpetmasala wrote:
DQ wrote:
malakpetmasala wrote:
Alexis wrote:The images shown on the news on the aftermath of this vicious crime.....ie.,.the mothers wailing and raising their arms towards the sky after finding the remnants of their kids who were badly mutilated in the explosion reminded me of similar scenes in Fahrenheit 9/11.

It seems that the world has definitely lost its humanity, compassion and any goodness. Seriously, I dont know what'll happen next. I mean, what else can possibly shock us now? There are terrorists killing kids, husbands killing wives, mothers killing her babies, others commiting random acts of violence for no apparent reason.

Personally, I believe this is just the beginning of the end.

Beginning of the end or just struggle for existance?

Struggle for Existence :-/ .
If this continues you'll probably be extinct.

but is nt that how nature works?

How kill itself to extinction ?

Torture, Murder, Rape, Genocide is that nature ?

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