Concentration camps in the 21st Century. The world sits and

[azazel]

funny haa!

i dun think so..

[malakpetmasala]

funny haa!

i dun think so..

irony is, those who kill dont really care of what u think, mate!

[azazel]

irony is, those who kill dont really care of what u think, mate!

i know.. so?

[DQ]

irony is, those who kill dont really care of what u think, mate!

i know.. so?

Great Ans Az!!



As per Malak...M stop talking and smell coffee....Why do I even mention this guys name in my posts.



His answers like smell cofee....god bless Americ etc etc, not worth responding.

[malakpetmasala]

irony is, those who kill dont really care of what u think, mate!

i know.. so?

Great Ans Az!!

As per Malak...M stop talking and smell coffee....Why do I even mention this guys name in my posts.

His answers like smell cofee....god bless Americ etc etc, not worth responding.

then y do u respond ?

[malakpetmasala]

irony is, those who kill dont really care of what u think, mate!

i know.. so?

so?

so nothing. was just making sure u knew it.

[DQ]

irony is, those who kill dont really care of what u think, mate!

i know.. so?

so?
so nothing. was just making sure u knew it.

Sure now ?

[CtrlAltDel]

yeh ho kya raha hai yahan pe?



this is a good discussion guys...dont Rockize or Wizzyize it...

[azazel]

dont Rockize or Wizzyize it...

i think we're still in discussion mode guruji !



Malakie: i know whtever opinion i hold isnt gonna change the current situation in any way, but its better than apathy any day.



Mourn not the dead that in the cool earth lie, but rather mourn the apathetic, throng the coward and the meek who see the world's great anguish and its wrong, and dare not speak. - Ralph Chaplin

[CtrlAltDel]

i think we're still in discussion mode guruji !

yes...but the monosyllables and the beginnings of nested comments seemed like a warning flag!

[azazel]

but the monosyllables and the beginnings of nested comments seemed like a warning flag!

i see, no.. abhi hum bache nahee rahe unlike some kids around..

[rock_26iin]

but the monosyllables and the beginnings of nested comments seemed like a warning flag!

i see, no.. abhi hum bache nahee rahe unlike some kids around..

are u pointing at some one?? *sneer*



On topic,



US shud just buzz outta Iraq n leave it alone, they are the actual cause for most of the bloodshed n u have these stupid chain mails talking abt praying for the troops in Iraq. Really pisses me off Just stop the bloodshed first. Talking can solve a lotta things. Violence is not the only solution.

[azazel]

mmm.. looks like one kid is growing up.. saala badaa bacha kab sudhrega

[romu]

US shud just buzz outta Iraq n leave it alone, they are the actual cause for most of the bloodshed:roll:

Not a good solution! You just cant attack a country,literaly rape it's infrastructure and then just leave the native people to build back up.The situation in Iraq right now is pretty bad.There are Local Mafia gangs running towns and cities,and that is noway better than the regime under saddam.! What Iraq needs now is some external help to get things back in order.Maybe USA is not doing it the right way,Maybe they are exploiting the resources,But hey,that is the human tendency/nature.Atleast they are trying to help Iraq,by training their troops and officials and the Police. >





P.S : Iam not planning to go to the usa.!

[DQ]

Not a good solution! You just cant attack a country,literaly rape it's infrastructure and then just leave the native people to build back up.

Either leave or kill all of them ?

Buddy Romu...Again lets not get back to wether war was justified etc etc.

Lets discuss todays news

The Farce about handing sovereignityto Iraq

Sadr must be dealt with: Rice
From correspondents in Washington

"Moqtada al-Sadr must not try and be a law unto himself down in Najaf. And what that means for his future we will see. "

"And so we are there to support the Iraqis in their efforts, let's wait and see what they do here."

This is exactly what the protests are about, Support does not mean Dictation of terms.

Atleast they are trying to help Iraq,by training their troops and officials and the Police

ATLEAST.....What does this mean?
The least that they can do is get out of there, the country will roll back to rails in a natural process.
NO Occupation has ever succeded in any part of the globe.
Why should the Iraqis trust them, over the past two decades these were the people who were supplying arms to Saddam to bomb his own people, when Saddam got out of hand they invaded and want to install another puppet who dances to their tune.

No this is not democracy my friend, leave and let them decide what they want.

Back to concentration camps ?
Todays BBC news - Two Iraqi prisoners have been killed by US troops during a disturbance at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, the US military says.

When they cannot control a prison, how will they control the country.

This is exactly what Hitler was doing, and that is why it is valid now to draw a link between this occupation and the concentration camps of the Nazis.[/quote]

[malakpetmasala]

dont Rockize or Wizzyize it...

i think we're still in discussion mode guruji !

Malakie: i know whtever opinion i hold isnt gonna change the current situation in any way, but its better than apathy any day.

Mourn not the dead that in the cool earth lie, but rather mourn the apathetic, throng the coward and the meek who see the world's great anguish and its wrong, and dare not speak. - Ralph Chaplin

dude, i was nt tryina comdemn ur feelings of sympathy for the Iraqis, on the other hand, i was just trying to compare the "history" of so called democracy/human rights in the states and iraq and what saddam did was nothing compared to what the US governments got upto in their past and this is gonna go on. not merely saying that i pity for the Iraqis is gonna change anything, someone outta do to them(US govts) what they did to the Nazis a few decades ago. which ever way possible, and i really believe in the fact that shedding some blood for the cause of future of millions is worth it.

well, did not really man to have an arguement with u guys, but felt that what u guys were discussing was useless (atleast from my point of view) no offence.

[malakpetmasala]

O death all-eloquent! you only prove

what dust we dote on, when 'tis man we love.

-Alexander Pope



got nothing to do with the thread, but thought the words were wise.

[DQ]

I have heard many people say, its absurd to draw a link. Present day society will never be as atrocious as the Nazis!!



Aha ?



Why draw a link.



Because the logic is the same.





Mauthausen,



Between Aug. 8, 1938 and May 5, 1945, about 195, 000 persons, men and women, were forced into these camps. Most of the people were imprisoned under the Nazi “protective custody” laws, that is, they were consider dangerous to the Third Reich of Germany and Austria, and therefore, these two nations, now joined, had to be “protected” from these people because of their racial origin, nationality, political affiliation or religious belief.



"Protective custody law" Does it ring a bell

Anti terror law, ASIO, POTA etc etc.....



Guantanamo is central to the Bush Administration's strategy to prevent judicial review of the legal status of prisoners. Located on Cuban territory, it is the "legal equivalent of outer space,"



"Remember, these are – the ones in Guantánamo Bay are killers. They don’t share the same values we share" --- President Bush, 20 March 2002



Birkenau



This is not a pleasant site, not one that will distract from the pressures of everyday existence. But Birkenau, the largest and most lethal of the Auschwitz camps, is as much a part of the world as any aspiration for freedom and peace. In this sense, the authors and publishers of this exhibition feel we need to constantly explore this place and the ideas that created it, in the hope that eventually we will understand why people do such terrible things to other human beings,



Sadly we did never understood. The masses still continue to let those rule who beleive in these policies.

[DQ]

Liberation IRAQ



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[DQ]

"The medical system collaborated with designing and implementing psychologically and physically coercive interrogations," the University of Minnesota professor said in the report published on Friday.



One detainee, who collapsed after a beating, was revived by medics so that the abuse could continue, Miles said.



"Army officials stated that a physician and a psychiatrist helped design, approve and monitor interrogations at Abu Ghraib," he wrote in his study based on evidence from U.S. congressional hearings, sworn statements of detainees and soldiers, medical journal accounts and aid agency information.



WHAT HATE CAMPAIGN MUST HAVE BEEN PROPOGATED TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. THE OCCUPYING FORCES ARE LYING WHEN THEY SAY ABUSE WAS NOT WIDE SPREAD AND IT WAS ISOLATED!!!

[DQ]

Iraq being liberated.



Getting rid of WMD or Iraqis all to gether?

[azazel]

my heart goes out to the innocent Iraqis who're being mercilessly blown off into oblivion..

[DQ]

!!IRAQ HAS BEEN LIBERATED!!



READ WHAT LIBERATION MEANS.



The timing of this Najaf Episode is perfect ain't it. The entire globe will be intensly watching the olympics. And 1000s can be wiped of.



He said that Saddam had arrested and executed his father and uncle in 1985, but that life under his regime was preferable to the current situation: "Under Saddam we were living in a big prison, but there was security. Now they claim we have democracy, but what is the point of that if we don't have security?" he asked.



At least 52 civilians (10 days of bombing and 52 killed, who keeps count anyway? A recent report that a body was lying for 3 days on the streets, nobody dared pick it up as fighting was on both sides.) have been killed and 223 wounded in Najaf since Mr Sadr launched his latest uprising. Mr Zuheiri said an old woman living a few doors away had been one of the victims.



"An American sniper shot her in the chest and stomach," he said. "It was impossible to get her to hospital. She died. We, the people of Najaf, are the victims of all this."



Civilians in Najaf's old city have had no water or electricity since the fighting began. They have had no ration cards for two months, and are running out of food.

[DQ]

The liberated Iraqis.



[Should have been as rich as their neighbours. Their country has the second highest Oil Reserve.
Still fighting for one meal.

[DQ]

[b]Refugees in their own Land{/b]



The above photo is of Refugees from the restive Iraqi cities of Najaf and Kufa, who are seeking shelter in the Shi'ite Muslim Zeyd bin Ali mosque in the town of Kifil, hold coupons as a shipment of donated clothing is handed out from a truck August 23, 2004