khudkhushi !?!?

[asli_badmash]

i don't really want to have loads of enemies in Hyd before i even get there!

Need I say more.. You have been OK'ed by a FullHyd.com royalty! Keep posting. It was fun talking to you.

Hope to see you more on the board.

~badmash~

[CtrlAltDel]

marko....light le yaar....ie "take it easy pal"

[akhilis2cool]

He said that he doesnt understand your logic. Right akhil?

yes

Your posts are good, keep posting and dont be discouraged. No one is pissed.

yes

Its just the Hyderabadi laid back attitutde that doesnt let people to get into heavy discusions/arguements, too stressfull I say [/quote]

yessss [/quote]

[JustaLittleUnwell]

Wow! that was a thought provoking discussion. I too believe that suicide is an offence - not because of government, not because of family.......



I guess the world over it is considered an illegal act and there must be compelling reasons. Since the law is shaped by religion and philosophy, and since these sources seem to believe that a human being is duty bound to live and complete his/her life term, I presume the law-makers around the world have destined it as an illegal / unethical act.



So.......... no, you don't have the right to take away your life. Just like you can't steal or lie or physically hurt another person. How are they related? Well, they're all illegal :)



There are other things too especially in science / medicine domains which are considered unethical - euthanesia, human cloning, stem cell research etc. which are believed to violate established norms and beliefs. "Does having the power mean it is ok to exercise it?" is a question that is being debated widely, whenever such issues come to the forefront.



PS - did i resurrect this thread? :D

[azazel]

thank you for adding ur 2 cents to the discussion saaar.. very nicely put, as always..

PS - did i resurrect this thread?

it wasnt officially dead yet

[Aman]

Ok this is my first post here..... just stumbled onto this topic.



Firstly, would like to say that u guys should have given marko a wider berth... he was just trying to make his point



Suicide seems to be catching on. I'm only just 18 and I've already played an active part in preventing 2 suicides (friends)...... so I hardly need to say I don't support it.



At the same time I don't think it's cowardly....... no one really WANTS to take their own life...... its clearly a decision they are forced to make.



So I guess it just depends on the person and what they think they have going for them in life. Agreed, they couldn't possibly know where life could take them or anything..... but its just that .... at that pt of time they don't see any other way out (saying this from experience, however limited)



So to sum up, I believe that ppl in a situation like this should be helped as much as possible... talked out of it. More importantly, they should talk about it!! Thats already a sign of reluctance.



Ppl with personal experience to share??

[NewEntry]

No, i think suicide is a solution. problem goes away.

Problem doesnt go away. You go away; leaving problems to many others.



As per your definition of 'solution', its moving from one state to another without carrying the problem.



OK, when you are alive you have some state and some problem. When you commit suicide and die, the problem goes away, but where is the state? No more state. So suicide isnt fit to be solution.



Hence proved.

[akhilis2cool]

*starts looking around for marko*

[Lucifer]

I don't believe I missed this thread for this long! Anyway, here goes my small contribution.



I kind of agree with Marko. It is within the rights of a person to decide what he wants to do with his life. Whether or not it is ethical is not the question. The fact is it is a basic human right.



Gautam Buddha left his family one fine day. Why don't people blame him for desertion? Was his being alive in any way beneficial or supporting to his wife and child? As far as they were concerned he was as good as dead. Then why tighten the noose around someone who commits suicide?



Now, don't give me the reason that Buddha did greater common good. That is not on trial. What is on trial is the desertion of his family. Did his family not have any rights on him?

[akhilis2cool]

his family does have a right on him. he walked away without informaing them b`coz there was no way he cld convince them to let him go.





but the reasons here are totally different....effect though may b the same.

[Lucifer]

his family does have a right on him. he walked away without informaing them b`coz there was no way he cld convince them to let him go.

Exactly. Why would you think a suicide victim's family would let him/her go?

but the reasons here are totally different....effect though may b the same.

I already stated that Buddha's objectives are not on trial here. What is on trial here is that he was not a good father or a husband, and if a mahatma like him is imperfect is it really too much to expect imperfection in lesser mortals?

[akhilis2cool]

i dont think u can give a verdict on some thing without knwoing the reasons behind it.



the most common reason for suicide is deppression...stress....and dipressed and stresed people are not in the right frame of mind to make any correct decision....taking ur life is way too big a decision for him/her.

[asli_badmash]

i dont think u can give a verdict on some thing without knwoing the reasons behind it.

the most common reason for suicide is deppression...stress....and dipressed and stresed people are not in the right frame of mind to make any correct decision....taking ur life is way too big a decision for him/her.

Yes... depression is one of the factors to suicide.



I think a person contemplates suicide when the pain(physical/mental) becomes far greater than how he/she copes with pain. That induces a state a temporary depression in the person and a state of thinking that nothing is worth living for. If this state persists and the pain increases the person than thinks about commiting suicide. This can happen to anyone, even a normal person. A temporary loss of sanity and a feeling of helplessness is the reason for commiting suicide.



Also, as there are seasons to earth, so there are seasons to our life.. if our life is going through tough times, good times will also come all we have to do is HOLD ON! If Nafisa would have held on for some more time she would have gotten over this marraige fiasco and she would have been really happy.



BTW; Buddha left his wife, kid and kingdom to find out the meaning of life. He wanted to get away from the distractions.



I think everyone knows that people in the old times used to live by the shastras. The shastras dictate that there are different ashrams in life a person has to follow... the Sanyas-ashram is the last. After having fulfilled your gruhasth-ashram you were allowed to choose sanyas and go live in the forest to find god. Buddha was merely following the laws. Buddha left because he felt the stirring that was eating him from inside. That is far beyond the notion of suicide.



~badmash~

[azazel]

I already stated that Buddha's objectives are not on trial here. What is on trial here is that he was not a good father or a husband, and if a mahatma like him is imperfect is it really too much to expect imperfection in lesser mortals?

deserting ur family for whatever reason is not right IMHO.. neway, tht cannot be equated with suicide in any way.. Suicide me ek darkhaast me sab barkhaast hojaata..

[CtrlAltDel]

I think everyone knows that people in the old times used to live by the shastras. The shastras dictate that there are different ashrams in life a person has to follow... the Sanyas-ashram is the last. After having fulfilled your gruhasth-ashram you were allowed to choose sanyas and go live in the forest to find god. Buddha was merely following the laws.

i dont think Budhdha was following the rules of the "ashrams" here. this is say bcoz gruhasth-ashram ends in old age when the person hands over all responsibilities to the next generation, a sort of retirement. Budhdha was in the beginning stages of gruhasth-ashrama (house-holder with responsibility of wife n kids) and he was supposed to care n provide for them.

[akhilis2cool]

but the effect that the poverty and suffering he saw among his subjects is wht took him away from his family.

[rainmaker]

buddha bechare ko kyon ghaseetre isme... khudkhushi mein aur sabkuch tyaagne mein farak hai...

[akhilis2cool]

^^^^^^

point noted sir

[azazel]

point noted sir

---ditto---

but, the argument remains, is it right to commit suicide??

[akhilis2cool]

point noted sir

---ditto---
but, the argument remains, is it right to commit suicide??

nope

[azazel]

nope

with a monosyllabic retort, Akhil has killed the argument..

[CtrlAltDel]

nope

with a monosyllabic retort, Akhil has killed the argument..

yup.

[azazel]

yup.

n CAD has seconded it with his monosyllabic reply..

[CtrlAltDel]

yup.

n CAD has seconded it with his monosyllabic reply..

hau...

[azazel]

ok.