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Ok so ?

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:21 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:i have heard stories of Nizam's womanizing and his harem from my family friends whose family was one of the traditional wine-suppliers of the palace. i spoke to old ppl in their family who directly used to interact with the Nizam, FYI in case u say its rumour mongering.

DQ-bhai, yr perspective of Nizam only covers his positive aspects and u tend to see any negative arguements as rumours




Ok so, were there any specific stories?

When you allege, make some facts known too!! Not an allegation left for presumptions :-)
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Re: ROTFL

by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:28 am

DQ wrote:LOLZ!!!
Mayavi all your statement are based on one single book you have read.
I have enlisted multiple resources to the acheivements of the Nizam.
Instead of accepting that you have only one such resource to back your statement, you continue to call others Morons!!!

Huh!! Facts plz ????


A is an faggot/womaniser/miser.
A is a genius/great statesman.
Are the above statements complimentary, mutually exclusive or un-related statements?
Replace A with Nizam.

Its easier to teach an ingorant person
much easier if the person is a learned man
but even brahma cannot teach a half-knowledged person (dedh-dimags).

Shouldn't I be telling you this. Think ?


No. There are atleast three people here who agree with me that it applies to you. If I post the same on hemet thread, three more will support :)

Acceptance!!!! Of what, your absurd views ?


Like?

You did not answer my Query?
Did you ever mingle with the common man.
Did you visit various parts of the city.


What will you ask next, which all places I peed?
I dont have to answer your stupid personal questions not related to topic. And FYI, Hyderabad is not just a the city it is today, it extended till bedar in karnataka and was a big state.


Look I am not a Nizam Idolizer etc, but yes credit should be give where it is due. Respect should be shown where due.


Yes, and if you go to page 2, CAD did mention that. He was the one who answered my question while you were engaged in meaningless drivel.

Also, can I assume that you have the same respect for Narendra modi as you have for nizam? Both are visionaries (Gujarat saw 10% growth during modi's regime and he took several initiative to privatise loss making PSU's - just like nizam ) and except for the 2002 massacre where 1000's of muslims were killed, he did only good for the state (just like nizam - except for razakkar's, he did only good). Munch on that.

Just because some lord or lady thought that Nizam made his women wear cotton, does not mean that he was a slandrer or a miser. And you go on to say that I am making presumptions.


She did not 'think' that he was miser, she said that for a fact and she was not the only one who said that, those common people who you mingled with will also tell you that he was a miser.
As for presumptions, you are the one making lots of ass-u-mptions, every source is propaganda and biased for you, but the sources you provided are un-biased and depict true history.

CAD, ASLI, MAYAVI - Never in this post have I mentioned that Nizam was a Perfect man, No.

But you dont want to hear his imperfections. What does that mean?
Harems in those days were very common - you wont belive that nizam had a harem.
Razakkars killed scores of people - you conveniently ignore it.
Nizam was a miser - so are many people, but wont agree.

Inspite of all this, he has done certian good things like supporting education etc and no one denied it.


It started with an incident in the life of Nizam.
For which someone replied that Nizam did not do anything for the Quam (Community)
For which I replied that there are a lot of contributions made by him, which are still enjoyed by the people. Some of his solutions have still not been paralleled.
He was a visionary.


I asked you to direct me to any available information or a good book as I was not aware of the visionary side of nizam and as a side note I said that Nizam had a huge harem to which you took offence, and I still dont understand why.

Donno what way it affected some of you, who tried to drag in relegion, his harem etc etc to prove that he was inept.

Nizam may have done several good things for people, but razakkars undid everything. So it is natural for anyone to ask about how hindus were treated during his regime, as many were killed towards the end.
No one tried to prove that he was inept. Infact having a 300 strength is surely not a sign of ineptitude nor is it a sign of bad governance. You ass-u-me-d things.

To which my reply was, if you want to see his image as an outsider you will not be able to draw the real picture.
You need to re live those times to understand what it means by visionary.
Apart from factual representations in books, in the Salar Jung library, and other libraries in Hyd, I also have the experience of speaking to various people who have lived in his times.
(If you go back a couple of posts it will show you that, I am speaking about Mir Osman Ali Khan. And I do not know about the others.)


And no one contested that. In the same token, you should also learn to appreciate other views, provided they are fair and balanced, and not strike it down as propaganda, esp if you dont have the proof to claim otherwise.
Btw, did you hear anything about the massacre of hindus at the hands of razakkars in the books in salar jung museum? no? does it mean that it didnt happen?

I will relate a few incidents in this post!! Probably that will drive some sense.

Yeah, and we will take it as gospel truth.

Ok so, were there any specific stories?
When you allege, make some facts known too!! Not an allegation left for presumptions




CAD bhai, please post some erotic stories ;)

".... and then his highness, The VII Nizam, Sir Mir Osman Ali Khan entered the room which filled with the fragrance of Jasmine incense sticks. There she lay on the mukmul bed with her face covered with muslin ghungat. His highness sipped the french wine (supplied by our own CAD's friends relatives par dada) from the belgian-cut wine glass...."

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Re: Ok so ?

by CtrlAltDel » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:34 am

DQ wrote:Ok so, were there any specific stories?
the old timers gave me accounts of nizam's regular demand for new girls, how many girls (muslims, hindus, christians) were kidnapped for the nizam, how the courtiers cheated the nizam by presenting him prostitutes who were told to act like girls frm good families....and many more...
i also met an old man who used to work in the nizam's treasury dept. according to him nizam used to ask for daily reports on the amt of money in the treasury and keep tabs on expenditure. the nizam used to crib abt even Re.1 spent on day to day office expenses and never spent any on himself too. he occasonally came to a room where all his wealth (cash, jewels, heirlooms etc) was stored and spent hours counting them or just sitting next to them. It sounds like a typical miser to me...:)
DQ wrote:When you allege, make some facts known too!! Not an allegation left for presumptions :-)
i dont have photographs or any such things of the nizam's "activities" but like u, i spoke to many ppl of those times, those who used to work for the nizam.
wtf? i no longer care if my posts hurt yr feelings :roll:
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Re: ROTFL

by CtrlAltDel » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:41 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:CAD bhai, please post some erotic stories ;)
abbe oh...ban karvana hai kya mujhe....?:D

anyways, i spoke to the budhe-buzurg n they werent going to give the gory details to a "kid" like me...:D
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Oh to aap abhi bacche hain

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:56 am

CAD

Oh to aap abhi bacche hain!!!



Mayavi, so you want to argue on relegious basis now, is there any fact apart from the one book that you come up with.

Why do you want to bring in a debate on Hindu / Muslim relationship. When we are talking about Hyd under HEH The Nizam of Hyderabad (Mir Osman Ali Khan)



If you want to discuss Modi, start a new thread.



I still have no solid proof on helmet thread too, all assumptions there to!

Try to segrate while you debate. that is a totally different thread.



Come on grow up!!!
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Nizam

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:00 am

If Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah was the founder of Hyderabad City, Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, in a variety of ways.
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Re: Nizam

by CtrlAltDel » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:04 am

DQ wrote:If Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah was the founder of Hyderabad City, Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, in a variety of ways.
yeh ^^^^ kaun dispute karra baap...:roll:...????



when ppl point out Nizam's negative aspects, u reply saying he was a visionary :?....
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Re: Oh to aap abhi bacche hain

by CtrlAltDel » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:06 am

DQ wrote:CAD
Oh to aap abhi bacche hain!!!
yes uncle....:D



btw, i am a 31 yr young bachcha.... 8)
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Re: Nizam

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:20 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:
DQ wrote:If Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah was the founder of Hyderabad City, Osman Ali Khan, the Nizam VII, can be called as the maker of modern Hyderabad, in a variety of ways.
yeh ^^^^ kaun dispute karra baap...:roll:...????

when ppl point out Nizam's negative aspects, u reply saying he was a visionary :?....




Was he was he not?



31 saal me bhi badao ko bhaorsa nahi hain ?



Kahaniya hi suna rahe hain yah kuch haqeeqt hain usme!



Sunno ek haqeeqat.



Ek dost ke bhai ke shaadi thi eden bagh me, intzaam kar rahe the, Time nikla ja raha tah to shave banane samne ke Hajam ke pas gaye,



Abhi hai ya nahi maloom.



Under ghoste hi Nizam ki photo hain. Shave ke waqt, dost bola, Iski photo kaiku lagaye ji tum.



He stopped and said, hum Namak haram nahi hain saab.



Woh daur so sarkar ke bahut ehsaan hain hum par,



Dost " Atraf ke dukaan unke aulaad ke hain na ji, koi nahi lagaya tum kaiku"



Saab unki marji. Hum to inka daur dekhe huwe hain, Sare Hindustan me, Hindu ke liye yahan se safe jaga nahin thi saab.



Sarkaar ke bahut ehsaan hain ji, Aaj ki govt agar inse sikhti to hindu musalmaan ka problem hi nahi hota.



Sarkaar ki jub tak hukumat thi, koi Hindu / Muslim nahi tha saab.



Maangne ki zaroorat hi nahi padthi, Ghareebi nahi thi.



Society me class nahi tha. Abhi kay hona.



Agar aaj bhi dukaan hian aur Buodha Zinda hain to wahan ek shave ke liye chale jao.



Agar Koti me Sharab ke bahane aana jana tha, ka matlab kahi na kahi ehsaan uska mila honga. Agar aaj gaali dete to ehsaan faramosh hain!



Ya nahi to khud ke paas kuch daag hoonga. Maloom karo aap.
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by Lucifer » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:33 am

Nizam jaaye tel lene! Kuch naya bolo yaaron!
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Re: Oh to aap abhi bacche hain

by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:45 am

DQ wrote:Mayavi, so you want to argue on relegious basis now, is there any fact apart from the one book that you come up with.
Why do you want to bring in a debate on Hindu / Muslim relationship. When we are talking about Hyd under HEH The Nizam of Hyderabad (Mir Osman Ali Khan)


mmmm... what proof do you want? Razakars are not a figment of my imagination, it really happened, real people (hindus or muslims) were killed and with full knowledge and support of your beloved Nizam. now dont ask me proof for that.
We are talking about Nizam under Hyderabad and the massacre took place in this very Hyderabad under the very Nizam and that says something about Nizam as a person.

I still have no solid proof on helmet thread too, all assumptions there to!

You dont have proof for anything you say nor do you have the comprehending ability to understand what others are saying. Debating with you is a waste of time and this is my last post in this topic.

Try to segrate while you debate. that is a totally different thread.

Yeah two different threads and same meaningless crap from you. Tell me honestly, do you ever read what others are saying? Did you read what I said in my previous post? If you did, did you understand?

Kahaniya hi suna rahe hain yah kuch haqeeqt hain usme!

Sunno ek haqeeqat.


Tum sunao to haqueqat, hum sunaye to kahani :lol:



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Oh I get it where Mayavis thought process comes from

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:46 am

Well now I get where Mayavis thought process comes from.



When she does not have an answer, why does she try to make this thread a communally sensitive issue.



Look Mayavi, no offences, I am not trying to debate Hindu / Muslim superiority here. Its about Nizam Mir Osman Ali Khan.



At the drop of the hat, You have tried to make this a communal issue. No it is not so.



Read the following, I can understand where your thought process stems from.





THE BJP has chosen to project its version of 'Liberation Day' not just in Karnataka, but in Telengana and Marathwada, the other two regions which were part of the Nizam's dominion. "The people of this region should be aware of their history," Namoshi told Frontline. Asked why the Samiti's emphasis was on the 'liberation' of the region from the rule of the Nizam, and not on the more positive and socially integratory aspect of the merger of Hyderabad into the Indian Union, Namoshi asserted that it was indeed 'liberation' that they wanted to highlight. Namoshi said: "We discussed this at great length. The Nizam was ruling and there was terror against the people. Ultimately it was at Patel's insistence that the police action was ordered against the Nizam. Even Nehru was not in favour of this."



B.R. Patil, former Deputy Chairman of the Legislative Council, who is from Aland taluk in Gulbarga district, was a young boy during the massacre by the Razakars. He was born in a village near Solapur near the Maharashtra border. He said: "The communal forces are taking advantage of the whole thing. The demand for independence was shared by all sections - Hindus and Muslims. The RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) is trying to project Patel as a Hindu and as their man." He said that there were many Hindu religious maths which supported the Razakars; on the other hand, there were also religious maths that had given protection to Muslims during the mass killings of Muslims after the police action and the merger of the region with the Indian Union.



Manpade said: "We look upon September 17 as 'integration day'." He added: "Five princely states refused to join the Indian Union in 1947. Why are they (the BJP) initiating struggles in the erstwhile Hyderabad state alone? Because it was ruled by a Muslim, a large percentage of Muslims continue to live here, and they can create tensions." He went on to add: "Not one RSS man died in that struggle, only Communists and Congress members. So we want to tell J.H. Patel not to play into their hands by extending an invitation to Advani."
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by Lucifer » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:53 am

Good-looking, bad-tasting

Full-bodied, butt-wasting

Loose-living, tight-fitting

What you see ain't what you are getting

Big make-up, little break-up

She wants it, he's got it

Cold-blooded, hot gossip

Superficial expectations



Look at me

You can take it all because this face is free

Maybe next time use your eyes and look at me

I'm a drama queen if that's your thing baby

I can even do reality



Fake money, real plastic

Stupid cupid, fantastic

Queer thinking, straight talking

What you see ain't what you are getting

Fast loving, slow moving

No rhythm, but I'm grooving

Old feeling, new beginning

Superficial expectations



Look at me

You can take it all because this face is free

Maybe next time use your eyes and look at me

I'm a drama queen if that's your thing baby

I can even do reality



Sometimes I don't recognise my own face

I look inside my eyes and find disgrace

My little white lies tell a story

I see it all, it has no glory

Hahaha



Look at me

You can take it all because this face is free

Maybe next time use your eyes and look at me

I'm a drama queen if that's your thing baby

I can even do reality



Come and look at me

This face is free

I'm your fantasy

Who do you wannabe?

Not what you see

I'm a drama queen if that's your thing

Come on and look at me

I'm your fantasy

This face is free

Come on and look at me

So who do you wannabe?

This is free...



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Re: Oh to aap abhi bacche hain

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:02 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:

You dont have proof for anything you say nor do you have the comprehending ability to understand what others are saying. Debating with you is a waste of time and this is my last post in this topic.

lieve I have wasted so much time arguing with this person.




Proof from you Guys!!



None of you probably has driven a bike and arguing about the Helmet rule !!! Phew



Read the drivin license and got to know how most of you got your drivers license. And still arguing about bringing another rule.



No wonder the roads are Unsafe!! Its drivers who paid agents money to get license.



Brake aur clutch me farkh nahi maloom, drivin ke behas karne chale.
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by Lucifer » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:03 am

I want you to know that I'm happy for you

I wish nothing but the best for you both

An older version of me

Is she perverted like me

Would she go down on you in a theater

Does she speak eloquently

And would she have your baby

I'm sure she'd make a really excellent mother



'Cause the love that you gave that we made

wasn't able to make it enough for you to be open wide, no

And every time you speak her name

Does she know how you told me you'd hold me

Until you died, 'til you died

But you're still alive



Chorus:

And I'm here to remind you

Of the mess you left when you went away

It's not fair to deny me

Of the cross I bear that you gave to me

You, you, you oughta know



You seem very well, things look peaceful

I'm not quite as well, I thought you should know

Did you forget about me Mr. Duplicity

I hate to bug you in the middle of dinner

It was a slap in the face how quickly I was replaced

Are you thinking of me when you _ her



'Cause the love that you gave that we made

wasn't able to make it enough for you to be open wide, no

And every time you speak her name

Does she know how you told me you'd hold me

Until you died, 'til you died

But you're still alive



Repeat Chorus



'Cause the joke that you laid in the bed that was me

And I'm not gonna fade

As soon as you close your eyes and you know it

And every time I scratch my nails down someone else's back

I hope you feel it...well can you feel it



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Ignore Nizam

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:10 am

The Hyderabad Medical School which came into existence in 1846 A.D. was the fore-runner of Osmania Medical College. The medium of instruction was Urdu the degree was Hakeem. Last two decades of nineteenth century was the glorious period of this school. Seventh and the last Nizam of Hyderabad Nawab Mir Osman Ali Khan established Osmania University in 1919 A.D. and in the following year the Hyderabad Medical College. In 1957 A.D.



The Osmania Medical College, a pioneer institute of Medical Education, was inaugurated by the president of India Dr. S. Radhakrishna on 27.7.1982, It is one of the prestigious medical colleges in India and a pioneering medical institution in the state of Andhra Pradesh with an annual intake of 200 MBBS students a year and 180 Postgraduates per year. It is the largest state Govt. Medical College with many reputed teaching hospital attached to it. It is also a super specialty P.G. Institute.
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Do you need any more acheivements

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:11 am

In the year 1866 AD, the then Prime Minister of Nizam State Sri Thurab Ali Khan, the first Salar Jung built Osmania General Hospital on the Northern Bank of Musi River and named it "Afzal-gunj Hospital", after the ruling king Nawab Afzaludowla.



The present magnificent building of OGH was built in the year 1925 by Nawab Osman Ali Khan, the seventh and the last king of Asif Jahi Dynasty. It is located over an area of 26.76 acres.



Now the hospital consists of three blocks one "Golden Jubilee Block" is out patient and emergency block, the "Quli Qutubshah Block" consisting of the departments of Cardiology, Cardiothoracic Surgery and diagnostics and the old building for majority of in-patients and other services.
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by Lucifer » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:12 am

Some people just do not learn!
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More of it

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:14 am

Mehdi Nawaz Jung Cancer Hospital & Radium Institute Hyderabad



It was started in 1955 by erstwhile Hyderabad State's Health Minister Late Mehdi Nawaz Jung. (Nizams Health Minister)
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Do you have a solution for water

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:15 am

Osman sagar ya Himayath Sagar ke alawa koi paani ka solution hai
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by asli_badmash » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:56 am

DQ wrote:LOLZ!!! Mayavi all your statement are based on one single book you have read.I have enlisted multiple resources to the acheivements of the Nizam.
And I don’t deny it. He did make good contributions for Hyderabad. He was a visionary of sorts. He was good to his people, people who allied with him. And the rest were left out to rot.

DQ wrote:LOLZ!!!Instead of accepting that you have only one such resource to back your statement, you continue to call others Morons!!! Huh!! Facts plz ????
People called you a moron only after you started naming people. For example, you called me a modern day Osama. That pissed me off. And I called you a Dumb Ass. I apologize I shouldn’t have, but I was angry.

BTW; the phrase “Modern day Osama” is technically not correct. Osama is a recent phenomenon. You cant use “Modern day Osama” as a phrase. You can say “Modern day Tuglaq” or “Modern day Quixote” or something like that.. but not “Modern day Osama”.

DQ wrote:Asli - If you want to start a Islamic dialogue, start a new post. I would love to take on your absurd vision of Islam. Googling can get you a lot of stuff, could be information could be junk. Do not try to mix them.
I have enough facts and I don’t want to talk about it with you. Instead you try to find out yourself what happened after the Killing of Hadrath Uthman. Why were Shia and Sunni created ? And to date why are the Shia fighting the Sunnis in Iraq. I don’t want to give you any links as you will say they are all propaganda. Find it out from your elders or better yet go to Osmania Library and read about it.

You seem to be living in a parallel world and seem to be afflicted with “Frog in a Well” or better yet “Frog in Hyderabad” phenomenon. Open your eyes and you will find there is a city beyond Old city and there are more people on the other side of Musi river! Samjhe.

DQ wrote:Look I am not a Nizam Idolizer etc, but yes credit should be give where it is due. Respect should be shown where due.
And I agree, I respect Nizam for that. But if he was wrong then he was wrong in doing certain things.

Nizam did good for Hyderabad and its people.

- But did he take part in Indian Freedom struggle? NO

- Secunderabad was one of the biggest garrisons of British in the south. Why did he allow the British to settle in Hyderabad. He just wanted the British to fight it out against the Indian Freedom struggle and reap the rewards.

-Why don’t we hear about Hyderabad’s contribution to Freedom movement, because the erstwhile Nizam was opposed to it. He wanted to bring back his Raj. All he wanted to do was to sit back and watch the game while the British did all the work and hoped for the best.

DQ saab what do you have to say about these. You have conveniently ignored all this and continue to harp just one point. “Nizam is a Visionary”. We don’t deny it. But what about the above said points?

I don’t want to talk about his personal life of decadence. That was his private issue. I am not concerned with that. What he does in his four walls is his problem. Not mine and every ruler has done that. They say – “Absolute power corrupts” and it did in the case of Nizam.

DQ wrote:It started with an incident in the life of Nizam. For which someone replied that Nizam did not do anything for the Quam (Community). For which I replied that there are a lot of contributions made by him, which are still enjoyed by the people. Some of his solutions have still not been paralleled. He was a visionary.
We don’t deny that he was a visionary. OK.. lets talk about the Quam (Community). There in lies the difference between our views and your views. You restrict your view of the Quam to people of Hyderabad and specifically to the people of Nizam. Everybody else is an outsider, or a villager to you. There in lies the trouble, all people from Hyderabad are in your Quam and everybody outside that circle is viewed with suspicion and disgust.

Did you ever stop to think there were people living outside Hyderabad when Nizam was the ruler. Yes he did a lot for Hyderabad, but what did he do for the Villagers, outsiders, who were also a part of his kingdom. Nothing, they were left to rot while he collected taxes from them and filled his coffers. If he was the ruler, he should have done justice to everybody. Why was the Nizam selective of who he would provide the benefits to?

DQ wrote:Donno what way it affected some of you, who tried to drag in relegion, his harem etc etc to prove that he was inept. To which my reply was, if you want to see his image as an outsider you will not be able to draw the real picture.


My point exactly.. you are the insider and everybody else is the outsider. And hence you cannot identify with us. We are wrong no matter what we say.



Meanwhile chew on this. http://www.boloji.com/history/017.htm. You would call this slander and rumor I guess! Anyway, the balls in your court.



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ASLI AGAIN Get Your Facts right

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:29 pm

Asli - > He was a visionary of sorts

DQ : NIZAM was a visionary

Asli - > For example, you called me a modern day Osama

DQ : It was not you it was Aurengzeb. You came up praising him, as he wore the garb of relegion to justify ghastly acts. Neither relegion nor common sense approves that, what ever age that may have been

Asli -> “Nizam is a Visionary”. We don’t deny it. But what about the above said points?

DQ : Nizam was a visionary, do the facts you stated override that he was a visionary.

Asli - > We are wrong no matter what we say

DQ: When you agree why argue
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:41 pm

Asli -> “Nizam is a Visionary”. We don’t deny it. But what about the above said points?
DQ : Nizam was a visionary, do the facts you stated override that he was a visionary.




I said I wont post on this topic again, but this comment cracked me up.

ROTFLMAO!
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Re: ASLI AGAIN Get Your Facts right

by asli_badmash » Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:49 pm

DQ wrote:Asli -> “Nizam is a Visionary”. We don’t deny it. But what about the above said points?
DQ : Nizam was a visionary, do the facts you stated override that he was a visionary.

No it doesnt... All he did was sit in his Mahal and have VISIONS of free hyderabad. By that virtue he is a VISIONARY. Mungeri lal ke hassen sapne.. :lol: :lol:

Don't call him a leader. By no means is he a leader. He was a self-serving, coward who decided to hide in his harem when Hyderabad was being raped and pillaged by British.

DQ wrote:Asli - > We are wrong no matter what we say
DQ: When you agree why argue
So you agree that we are outsiders no matter who we are. Anybody who doesnt agree with you is an outsider. Thasts it... :roll:



You can never become and belong to a bigger concept i.e India.



I gave you the benefit of doubt but you are not worth it. There is no trying to show you any sense. :roll:



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Mayavi Get facts plz

by DQ » Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:49 pm

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:
The Nizam was the only visionary compared to most of the princely state.


AFAIK, Quili Qutubshah was the visionary and Nizam was the puppet of Aurangajeb (he laid seige of Golcanda fort for 30 days(?) before QQ gave in and then established his puppet govt - Nizam) and Aurangajeb's regime is the lowest point of Mughal empire. He is known for his cruelty towards the Hindu community and it is during his regime that mass conversions were done and hindu-muslim hatred strarted, till then the coexistence was peaceful. Aurangajeb is also responsible for the decline of Mughal empire, he simply fought too many wars (south was never ruled by the mughals and he waged war on southern kingdoms to expand the empire) as a result of which the mughals forces were spread thin and it was easy for the britishers to take over.
[The last time I said the same thing in this very forum, I was accused of being a RSS vadi and my history safronised. ]
Interesting snippet I read from a book published on the 50th anniversary of Indian independance - Interviews/memoirs of British soldiers and officials working in India at the time of independance - a british lady recounted that the Last Nizam had a harem of ~ 300 women and their children :shock:
Anyway, can you tell me what the Nizam did as a visionary (other than OU)? or direct me to a site or book where I can find the necessary information.




Who need laugh from Mayavi "Quili Qutubshah was the visionary and Nizam was the puppet of Aurangajeb"



To an acceptance that Nizam was a visionary (sort of). He he, you guys seriously....



Mayavi again, from post 1 onwards you have been trying to drag a parallel and make this post communally sensitive.



And again that book was your single base of argument. He he .



Grow up ....Look at facts!!
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