Ab hum Nizam (Mir Osman Ali Khan) key kuch batien yad karien

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Which part of History are you living in Asli. You do not live in History, you learn lessons of it.

I live in the part of history which matters! That is today. Yes Hyderabad today is a vestige of glory you are talking about. But it is what it is today and it is because of some of the decisions that were taken yesterday.

LIKE GETTING A UNIVERSITY YOU CAN BOAST ABOUT:
IMPROVING YOUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM. FINDING A SOLUTION TO THE WATER PROBLEM

The Nizam was the only visionary compared to most of the princely state.

Yes he was probably a visionary; bringing education and a good system of governance and everything. But what matters is he capitulated to the power politics that the English were subjecting Indian people to; just so that he could save his ass and enjoy his kingdom for some time more, while settling scores with his current enemies; Marathas and Mysore.

THAT WAS THE ORDER OF THE DAY, IF NOT THE NIZAMS THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. PLEASE READ HISTORY, AND NOT IN BITS AND PICES BUT COMPARATIVE.

When you talk about Pathan Khun, who invited the British to trade in India, The Mughal emporer --- (Pathan)

Yes the Moghuls invited the British.. only to trade. What happened subsequently(British Raj) was not because of the decision to invite people to TRADE. It was because the Indian sub-continent was divided into many small insignificant colonies and the British had the acumen to see the bigger picture.

SO YOU AGREE THAT THEY WERE THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM

Before the current democratic system came into place, it was and age of survival of the fittest.

You call it survival of the fittest! then the Nizam should have been wiped off of the face of earth long time ago. They were inept and all they could think of was to ally with the strongest power so they could prevail over their petty personal issues; that is the Marathas and Mysore. Instead of allying with Indians to fight the British, the Nizam choose to ally with the British and fight his own people.

AGAIN ITS WAS THE ORDER OF THE DAY. IS IT STILL NOT THE SAME?

The Nizam saw that, education and skill has made these people so powerful. So he reached a treaty with them, and went about bringing in development of his people. Education, food , water etc. Other wise like the rest there would be another enslaved state. Most of the other states that did this, their people had better lives.

Yes I give him that... he was good in that respect. But he reached at a treaty; that signifies capitulation and personal interest.

PERSONAL INTEREST AS IN ?
DO NOT SAY SAVING ONES ASS, IF THAT IS SO THEN HE WAS CLEVER TOO?

And what gained India its freedom. Non violence or Violence.

Yes we gained freedom by Non-violence... not by not doing anything which does not amount to non-violence.. it amounts to cowardice and self-serving nature. If Nizam was so non-violent why don’t we hear the Nizam’s name in India’s Non-Violence freedom struggle? He thought the British are too strong and the Indian freedom struggle would eventually loose to the British. So he was happy to ride out the situation hoping the British would win and give him back his Kingdom. If he remains in their good books!

AGAIN THE ORDER OF THE DAY: SOMETHING THAT DID NOT PAY OFF

Due respect to Jhansi and Tipu, who lead a brave front, showing that Indians if needed will give thier lives. And due respect to Nizam who showed that Indians will be diplomatic if need be.

...That is not Diplomacy for your information; not doing anything about it is Cowardice. Maybe I am harsh here but that’s how I feel. Diplomacy can only be practiced by the stronger of the two people. The underdog can only fight and hope to win. And we all know Nizam was not stronger than British. So please don’t disguise Cowardice under the garb of Diplomacy. Yes you can say he saved his ass by signing a treaty, I will agree to that but Diplomacy... Please!

WELL THATS IS YOUR THOUGHT: READ ABOUT DIPLOMACY MY FRIEND
MEANING OF IT. IT COMES DOWN TO CYA (COVER YOUR ASS)

The facts about Aurangzeb being cruel are right. He has no acheivment to his credit, nor does he deserve a place in history. Fortunately or No, such rulers have tarnished the amount of work done by the Mughals.

Aurangzeb does have a place in the history. If you read history properly; he took power by force from his father who was given to pleasures of life and was doing nothing for the people or the kingdom. He enforced strict rules, which probably were not right, but he thought of them to be correct. He levied taxes on non-muslims called the Jaziya(or something like that). He did resort to iconoclasm and converted people by force, but I am not sure about mass-conversions. That is one of the reasons we have this hatred for Muslims among the Hindu community. What ever Akbar did with his democratic rule was undone by the rule of Aurangazeb. And thus laid the seed for RSS and Muslim militant organization! And in some ways Pakistan too!

OH A PRESENT DAY OSAMA ?
WELL I WILL NOT BE ASTONISHED IF YOU WOULD JUSTIFY OSAMA

Though he did not resort to mass conversion, he was not interested in religion at all.

You have to get your facts right; he was very interested in religion. He never took any money from the treasury for his upkeep. He was a principled man. Instead he used to pen Qurans for his livelihood. That should show how religious he was!

SO IS THAT BEING RELEGIOUS. ONE WAY YOU MURDER AND OPRESS, THE OTHER WAY YOU WRITE QURAN. HE HAD NO RIGHT TO TOUCH QURAN AFTER MURDERING HIS FATHER. PLEASE DO NOT COME BACK SAYING THAT ITS IS ISLAMIC!!!

Plundering was his only passion. The amount Muslims suffered under his rule is not written at all (anyway thats secondary).

...He was a king for crying out loud. He was cruel but he had to be; Successful rulers are never compassionate people. Ashoka the great before he became a Buddhist was one of the most cruel rulers of his time. Expanding his kingdom at will and engaging in wars with neighbors to expand his kingdom. Aurangzeb didn’t plunder personally; the rule of the war is that; If the opposing army wins they get to share the loot. Read Sun-Tzu- Art of war. This was the norm for that time. This is what motivated attackers to fight wars. So you are being biased if you call the King a plunderer. The ultimate motive of war is loot the spoils by the army.

THEN YOU ARE BEING BIASED TO. THAT IS WHY I SAY DO NOT SEE HISTORY FROM WHERE YOU STAND TODAY.
PLUNDERING HAS NEVER BEEN RIGHT. THERE WERE RULES OF WAR THEN TO. BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN RECENT HISTORY, THE MUGHAL RULERS HAVE AN HISTORY OF BREAKING ALL THESE RULES.

300 Women in his Harem. Is a false pretension in history.

I am not sure if this is true but I have heard conflicting reports about this issue. But one thing is true he was given to womanizing and good times. Thus we have the word “Hyderabadi Nawab”; denoting people given to pleasures of life while being laid back. By the way it is a condescending term.



WELL MEE TOO. I WOULD WANT A FACTUAL REPORT ON THIS< NOT SOME DISGRUNTLED BRITISH WOMANS BIOGRAPHY.



SOME FICTIOUS BOOK CANNOT BE A SOURCE OF HISTORY.

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Why do you get so worked up when arguing. Be Calm!!!Lol that is so hypo, are you an CAD the same!!!

BTW; What is hypo??
All I know is:
- Means below or deficient. For example, as in "Hypothermia is a subnormal body temperature."
- Greek prefix for under, below.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT HYPO, IT IS ANIMAL INSTINCT. YOU FEEL CORNERED YOU BARK.

Also do you know what NIZAM means in Urdu.. It means the SYSTEM. You connect the rest of the dots!

SUCH A NICE SYSTEM! WHAT UNI IS YOUR DEGREE FROM?
~badmash~

[asli_badmash]

THAT WAS THE ORDER OF THE DAY, IF NOT THE NIZAMS THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. PLEASE READ HISTORY, AND NOT IN BITS AND PICES BUT COMPARATIVE.

Probably.. but Nizam was ruling Hyd and he did what he did. I dont have to consider other people...

SO YOU AGREE THAT THEY WERE THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM

Not only the Mughals but the rest of the kingdoms invited them to trade too. Mughals didnt rule the whole of India at anytime in History. So blame all the other people equally.

PERSONAL INTEREST AS IN ? DO NOT SAY SAVING ONES ASS, IF THAT IS SO THEN HE WAS CLEVER TOO?

Clever?? Nizam lost his kingdom in the end anyway.. was that clever. I think you agree with that too!

AGAIN THE ORDER OF THE DAY: SOMETHING THAT DID NOT PAY OFF

My point exactly... Dont justify wrong things! If it was a mistake... it was a mistake.

WELL THATS IS YOUR THOUGHT: READ ABOUT DIPLOMACY MY FRIEND MEANING OF IT. IT COMES DOWN TO CYA (COVER YOUR ASS)

You have a wrong definition of Diplomacy.. please check the dictionary. Cover your ass is never Diplomacy. Diplomacy is the strength to resolve an issue without taking any punitive action by show of force. And only the stronger of the two can show force. What you are referring to is cunning. Cunning is different from Diplomacy.

SO IS THAT BEING RELEGIOUS. ONE WAY YOU MURDER AND OPRESS, THE OTHER WAY YOU WRITE QURAN. HE HAD NO RIGHT TO TOUCH QURAN AFTER MURDERING HIS FATHER. PLEASE DO NOT COME BACK SAYING THAT ITS IS ISLAMIC!!!

After Prophet's death, the claiphas constantly conspired to kill each other. They were considered religious, so why not Aurangazeb. The killing Aurangazeb does has no relation to how religiously inclined he is. He will answer for his deeds and so shall all.

THEN YOU ARE BEING BIASED TO. THAT IS WHY I SAY DO NOT SEE HISTORY FROM WHERE YOU STAND TODAY. PLUNDERING HAS NEVER BEEN RIGHT. THERE WERE RULES OF WAR THEN TO. BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN RECENT HISTORY, THE MUGHAL RULERS HAVE AN HISTORY OF BREAKING ALL THESE RULES.

Read Sun-Tzu:Art of War you will understand... that was the rule of the time(An argument you use all the time. so dont even try to say something on this.)

WELL MEE TOO. I WOULD WANT A FACTUAL REPORT ON THIS< NOT SOME DISGRUNTLED BRITISH WOMANS BIOGRAPHY. SOME FICTIOUS BOOK CANNOT BE A SOURCE OF HISTORY.

Well... you cant get to know unless you live in that time. But alas that is not possible.. so we will have to go with what has been said.

And now for some treatment... for your ways... Dont cry too much OK.

OH A PRESENT DAY OSAMA ?
WELL I WILL NOT BE ASTONISHED IF YOU WOULD JUSTIFY OSAM

Yeah I have a justification for that.. He is your Brother and both of you are DUMB ASSes!



I am done.. you are now classified as ZC and I shall not respond to your posts.



Best of luck and try to read more books...



~badmash~

[asli_badmash]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT HYPO, IT IS ANIMAL INSTINCT. YOU FEEL CORNERED YOU BARK.

That is what you are doing Mister... And your posts are a proof. Maybe you should look back at them.

~badmash~

[asli_badmash]

Also do you know what NIZAM means in Urdu.. It means the SYSTEM.

hmmm...sounds so Matrix-ish...

Tell me about it.. !

~badmash~

[DQ]

Supporting Aurangzeb and calling me an Bro Of Osama.



Get your basics right. If you belive the caliphs were fighting each other, then you have got the facts about Islam wrong.



And if your version of Caliphate is the likes of Aurangzeb and Osamas, then your version of relegion is completely wrong.



Nizam was ruling Hyd and he did what he did. I dont have to consider other people

- Thats exactly why the denizens are a happy lot comapred to other parts of the country.

- If you do not agree then you are not an original Hyderabadi, may have migrated from some Village, and now want to re write Deccani history in some villagesish ishtyle.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

SOME FICTIOUS BOOK CANNOT BE A SOURCE OF HISTORY.

If you do not agree then you are not an original Hyderabadi, may have migrated from some Village, and now want to re write Deccani history in some villagesish ishtyle.

That ends all arguements.

I think each of us should write our own history, whatever suits us.... not based on any facts at all, what say?

Strange! The accounts of a woman who have attended the parties hosted by nizam and lived during nizams time are made up stories and she is a 'disgruntled' woman, but the people from whom you hear stories about Nizam - they may be his butlers or his relatives or just people who lived during his time but have never seen the Nizam or his dog during their life time - are true stories and unbiased history. wah bhai wah!

All this aside, you are yet to provide one good source or account of one good thing done by Nizam, atleast stories of good governanace. Apart from OU and Razakars, I dont hear much about the visionary Nizam.

Btw, you might want to read up a lil bit about how some of the magnificient palaces built during the last nizam were paid for, makes an interesting read

As for Nizam wearing a patched suit, he (the last Nizam, dunno his name) is known to be the very stingy inspite of all his wealth.

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I think each of us should write our own history, whatever suits us.... not based on any facts at all, what say?
Strange! The accounts of a woman who have attended the parties hosted by nizam and lived during nizams time are made up stories and she is a 'disgruntled' woman, but the people from whom you hear stories about Nizam

If you need proof from this age here it is. The Author had the entire world bewildered for a couple of years.



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Norma Khouri

Report from ABC News

Now to the scandal over claims that author Norma Khouri fabricated the life story she wrote about in her bestselling book Forbidden Love.



Overnight, a second publisher, the UK-based company Transworld, has withdrawn the work from sale, and urged bookshops to remove it from their shelves.



Meanwhile, the Queensland-based writer has again told her publishers she can provide evidence to back up her story about fleeing the horror of honour killings in Jordan, her country of birth.



But several days after the story first broke in The Sydney Morning Herald, her publishers are still waiting to see that evidence.



Petria Wallace reports.



PETRIA WALLACE: Claims from family members and a friend of Norma Khouri that the writer spent most of her life in the United States and not in Jordan as she described in her bestseller, has left her publishers here and overseas in a state of shock.

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Her claim about the atrocities in Jordan, many took this book as proof to ridicule Islam and Muslim socities.



So you cannot go by a lady who ate a few dinners, but people who have lived day in and day out under his rule.



Itni baat lagi yaani aap koi gau (village) ki hi hain. Kahan ki hain aap?

Hyderabadi tehzeeb jaanti hain yah, bus aisich behas kar rahi hain?

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Yes sire!



http://www.lib.lsu.edu/special/exhibits/india/intvw2.htm#they



Lady Daphne Dalton:



The Nizam of Byderabad was the richest man in the world -- but incredibly mean. He was a very, very funny little man. Very autocratic. And if you went there to dinner -- he used to have dinner parties every few months or so -- and he never used to have proper domestic arrangements, in a way. He lived very simply himself, so if he had a dinner party, he used to put the thing out to tender, and you'd get a very indifferent meal served by rather poorish looking servants, not dressed in proper beautiful clothes, as most of the others would be. And the Nizam would be sitting in the middle of the table, flanked by his most important guests. And the wine used to go round. If it went round more than once, or at the very most twice, you'd see the Nizam gesture. You weren't allowed to do any more.



He had a very enormous harem, reputedly about three hundred, including daughters and things. And they weren't allowed to come to dinner. But after dinner, when the ladies retired into a sort of drawing room, about three of these miserable daughters used to be produced to mingle with the guests. And we used to feel so sorry for these girls, because they were frightfully badly dressed -- in cotton saris and cotton stockings. Flat, black strap shoes and black stockings and cotton saris. And here was this man who, if he put half of his money on the world market, there would have been a crisis.



And every year they had to have this parade. It was rather like feudal England, where somebody had to provide a certain number of troops. And my stepfather, being adviser to the state forces, every year this parade had to be held. And it was quite amusing because in fact it was a fairly lighthearted affair in a way, because most of the things that were produced weren't really able to go to war. They were probably all scratched up from nowhere much. You had camel carts and camels pulling guns, and all sorts of very antiquated affairs. A few trained troops, proper ones, but the main body of it was very feudal, and going back many years -- elephants and camels pulling things along, and a rabble of sort of supposedly soldiers. Because you had to produce x number of able bodied fighters, as it were. And in order to do this, you didn't probably keep them under arms all the year round. You just got them on parade one day a year -- except for a small nucleus of well-trained state forces. But this parade was quite an eye opener, all rattling along in the dust.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

May be she is just a loony wanting to defame our beloved Nizam. how mean!

[DQ]

A real good link, goes on to explain why even today in this age people talk about the Sick Indian support they are getting for thier products.



Support being constantly referred to us ineffcient and third worldish.



They cannot support our products as they cannot se the real world, they still live on banana trees.



Ask anybody who has been out working in US, you would find more comments such as these. And this boook depicts it. They looted the wealth of India, enslaved you. Went about writing this



"You had to learn the language even as a woman, or you missed so much...I had a munshi to teach me, but he always taught along military lines, because that was what he was used to. He would say, 'Go to the adjutant, and tell him that number 3 company has mutinied.' And all I wanted...was how to say, 'The meat is tough.'"



Silly Indians we still take this as proof of history and our proud of our rich cultural heritage.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Just a piece of advice:

One, Dont argue just for the sake of arguing.

two, Read and try to understand what the other people are saying.

and three, any time you read something, however biased it may be, take the facts and make your own analysis. Facts are facts, how you itnerpret them is where the bias shows.

Now, in the link I posted, they are true accounts of soldiers who served in India, the language is a bit derogatory (for our liking) but the facts remain facts. Nizam had reputedly a huge harem. Thats fact. The army is poorly equipped, may be a fact, but there is a reason: Nizam doesnt need an army with british taking care of security. So you can ignore that part. Read the interviews keeping that in mind.

If you cannot differentiate between propaganda and truth, try not to judge it.

If you find fallacy in any arguement point it out, but donot assign motives to everyone and everything and deride it.



From the same link:

The princely states varied in size, in economic viability, in administrative efficiency. Mysore, for example, which is in the south of India, the Maharajah of Mysore was one of the most enlightened rulers you can possibly imagine. He had enormous educational programs for the people, road programs, health programs, and so dealing with him was no difficulty. Others, like Jaipur, Bikaner, not so large or as wealthy as Mysore, but very, very advanced in all of their thinking and operations. On the other hand, right down at the other end of the list were small, small, little enclaves -- they weren't really states -- where they just couldn't do anything. But the concept that is sometimes created that the maharajahs lived a life of luxury, totally secluded from their peoples is not a correct view. The majority of them were very, very enlightened rulers, concerned with the welfare of the people, but in what we would call a benevolent despotism. There were virtually no democratic processes in these states, let's be quite frank about it, but that doesn't mean there were ruthless tyrannies. Many of the maharajahs were the most enlightened people, concerned with the welfare of their people.

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Please do not advise, when you are disshelved your self.

Time and agin I have asked you for historical proofs and you continue Quoting a book that is a complet mockery of the Indian system (Now and then)



A bit of a read about Nizam.



Mir Osman Ali Khan, the seventh and the last Nizam of Hyderabad ruled for 37 years (1911 - 1948). His Dominion was lager than England and Scotland put together, with an area of 86,000 Sq. miles.



The seventh Nizam led a very simple life, yet he was one of the richest men in the world. He donated generously to every cause in India as well as abroad irrespective of caste and religion. If it was the Muslim theological school at Deoband which received financial help, it was also the privilege of the Benaras Hindu University. His list of donations included Rabindranth Tagore’s Shantiniketan and several other institutions including hospitals, schools, for famine relief, etc. The golden temple in Amritsar also enjoyed an annual donation.



The Nizam’s rule saw the growth of Hyderabad economically and culturally. Electricity, railways, roads and airways developed. Huge reservoirs and irrigation projects such as the Tungabhadra, and Nizamsagar were completed. The early work on Nagarjunasagar was undertaken. The Osmania University, Colleges and Schools were founded throughout the state. Nearly all the public buildings currently in such as the Osmania General Hospital, High Court, Central State Library, Assembly Hall, Jubilee Hall and other buildings in the Public Garden were built during Osman Ali Khan’s reign.





If you really need to find out become a hyderabadi first. Get to admiring the city, look at history as it unfolded. You will appreciate the contributions of people.



If you continue reading snippets that take a jibe at your culture. You will be enslaved even in your thought.

[DQ]

Instead of reading about some disgruntled Brit lady I would prefer reading this speech.





Here are facts not rumors from some Rumor monger



Mir Osman Ali Khan's 120th birth anniversary falls today. A lecture on his life and times is being organised by the Nizam's Jubilee Pavilion Trust at the Nizam's Museum, Purani Haveli at 11 a.m.













ROYAL SPLENDOUR: Mir Osman Ali Khan.

ALTHOUGH THE great flood ravaged the domain of Hyderabad in 1908 three years prior to the ascent of the VII Nizam Nawab Mir Osman Ali Khan to the throne, one of his first assignments was to invite Visweswaraiah to advise him on how a similar flood could be controlled and excess water be put to good use. In accordance with his suggestion, the embankment of the Musi River and construction of Osman Sagar and Himayat Sagar Dams at Gandipet were undertaken. If the old city suffered minimum damage in the recent flood two years ago the credit goes to the last Nizam for his foresight and commitment to the welfare of his people. What precautions have been taken after these waters shattered not just the homes but lives of so many citizens? Have we used advanced technology and scientific know-how to implement necessary precautions? Or has the incident been washed away like so many others from the memory of those in power and positions of responsibility?



Today, everyone is on the fast track and very few stop to remember the last Nizam -whose contribution to his people never was and never will be matched. The ruler who was praised by great leaders like C.Rajagopalachari, Jawaharlal Nehru, Dr. Ambedkar and even the imperial British. Rabindranath Tagore wrote in praise of the first vernacular University established in 1917 by the Nizam, "I have long been waiting for the day when, free from the shackles of a foreign language our education becomes naturally accessible to all our people.'' Up to 11 per cent of the Nizam's budget was spent on education - schools, colleges, universities and even a Department for Translation was set up. Primary education was made compulsory and provided free to poor sections of society.



A corpus of one crore was earmarked for industrial development and the Nizam was responsible for the earliest public sector undertakings - Singareni Collieries and Nizam Sugar Factory. In 1911, the Nizam suspended capital punishment and replaced it with life imprisonment, something that was introduced only in 1964 in Britain. He separated the Judiciary from the Executive, another landmark in history. The City Improvement Board was set up by him and slums were replaced by planned colonies. Health and hygiene were amongst the several welfare programs he pioneered. Unfortunately public memory is short-lived and few people remember the contributions of the last Nizam. Bhaskar Rao, curator of the H.E.H. The Nizam's Museum reinforces, "The Nizam's secular outlook is more than evident in his keen interest to preserve the magnificent Buddhist frescos at the Ajanta and Ellora Caves. Italian experts were specially invited for restoration and recreation of these works on canvas to preserve them for posterity. Each object in this museum speaks volumes of his enormous contributions.''



``Ours were glorious days, days of plenty under the flourishing regime of the Nizams. Hyderabad was known to bring bharkat to both the underprivileged and privileged classes alike,'' reminisces Themi Mehta, wife of well-known cricketer late Soli Mehta. Her grandfather Sorabjee Pestonjee Kanga, a Persian scholar, was the personal tutor to the last Nizam, Mir Osman Ali Khan. On every birthday of the Nizam Kanga composed poetry and presented it in a silver casket to his `Sarkar' and student. Likewise, the Nizam reciprocated with utmost respect to his tutor and visited him twice every year - on Parsi New Year's day and on Kanga's birthday.



The 120th birth anniversary of the VII Nizam falls on September 9, the Ist Rajjab as per the Hijri calendar. To mark this occasion, The Nizam's Jubilee Pavilion Trust is holding a Memorial lecture on the Life and Times of the VII Nizam on Monday,(today) September 9 at 11 a.m. at the Nizam's Museum, Purani Haveli, Hyderabad.



Find out what no history textbook can ever emphasise enough about this true jewel of Hyderabad. For details, call on 4521029.









PADMINI B. PATELL

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Good. Finally something from you on topic. I am happy that you heeded to my advice. In case you are wondering how, just read all my posts on this thread, all through I have been asking you to provide some source for your 'nizam was a visionary' comment and never made any comments - for or against - about nizam myself.

And I stil ldont understand why it is so hard for you to accept that fact that Nizam had a huge harem and how come the ling I provided is rumour mongering. Just because "The Nizam's Jubilee Pavilion Trust " didnt write about it, it wont become a rumour, does it?

At this point I want to remind you of what you said

!!!!!!AGAIN HISTORY IS TO BE LEARNT NOT LIVED IN!!!!
Learn from history, do not live in it, and do not force the masses to live in it.
Get on with life BE POSITIVE.
Why do you get so worked up when arguing. Be Calm!!!

If you really need to find out become a hyderabadi first. Get to admiring the city, look at history as it unfolded. You will appreciate the contributions of people

I suggest you be very carefull with the choice of your words. This is the second time you are saying something like this.

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I was on topic all this while. All you came up was with some fictious book.

Is there any other source to back that book up. I am reading thorugh the various interviews.



I am s***k with the ghastly abuse of Indian history. The Indians are being mocked one way or another.



For your information!!



Britannicas description of Nizam



Osman Ali

Encyclopædia Britannica Article











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born April 6, 1886, Hyderabad, India

died Feb. 24, 1967, Hyderabad





also called Usman 'ali Khan, Mir nizam (ruler) of Hyderabad in the period 1911–48 and its constitutional president until 1956. Once one of the richest men in the world, he ruled over a state the size of Italy.



After a private education, Osman Ali succeeded his father, Mahbub 'Ali Khan, the sixth nizam, on Aug. 29, 1911. Encouraging financial reform, he led the state of Hyderabad to an enviable credit position; …





I am using the word repeatedly as you seem to have come into Hyderabad recently. Have probably never mingled with the common man.



Have you ever been to the old city, ever mingled with the crowd there. There are some oldies, you need to sit patiently to listen to them.



And its not only some rickshaw puller. Its is professors of Universities, its intellectulas who have worked as ambassodors of India. Its people who have represented India. It is also a Rickshaw puller. This is where you can draw a correct picture from.



You just do not agree to this. You have picked up some book, and suggest that everybody reason through that. Is it fair?

[asli_badmash]

Supporting Aurangzeb and calling me an Bro Of Osama.
Get your basics right. If you belive the caliphs were fighting each other, then you have got the facts about Islam wrong.
And if your version of Caliphate is the likes of Aurangzeb and Osamas, then your version of relegion is completely wrong.

Read about the "THE CALIPHATE OF Uthman bni Affan" on any Muslim history website or book and find out how he was killed and by whom. You will know yourself what I am talking about. And ask anybody who knows about it if you don’t trust the books or the internet. Better yet just google information about it... you will get hundreds of links where you will get to read what actually happened to the Calipha Uthman.

About Aurangazeb

http://www.islamicart.com/library/empires/india/aurangzib.htmlhttp://www.islamicvoice.com/may.2003/ihistory.htm

“After the invasion of Tartars and the Fall of Baghdad, the centre of calligraphy moved over to Iran where it is still alive with all its beauty and delicacy. From Iran, this art came in the sub-continent and the Mughal regime is known as the Golden Age of calligraphy. Zaheer-ud-Din Babar was a highly-skilled calligrapher of the Holy Quran. He invented Khat-i-Babri. Prince Pervez, son of Jahangir and Dara Shikoh, son of Shah Jahan, were industrious and sublimed calligraphers of the Holy Quran. Aurangzeb Alamgir was also a skillful calligrapher of the Holy Quran. Mohammed Yahya Lakhnavi was a master of Khat-i-Naskh.”

- Thats exactly why the denizens are a happy lot comapred to other parts of the country.

Only a select few were happy. And maybe you are talking to these people or the remnant of these people.

- If you do not agree then you are not an original Hyderabadi, may have migrated from some Village, and now want to re write Deccani history in some villagesish ishtyle.

We have been living in Hyderabad for more than four generations. My Grandfather(Mothers father) was a doctor in Hyderabad and my Grandfather(Father Dad) was also a hyderabadi. Though they are not present today, I have heard of how the Hyderabad was during the Nizams time. How the privileged few were always given preference above the rest. As long as you supported the Nizam you were in Good books. In fact one of my Uncles (Mothers 2nd Eldest brother) joined the Indian freedom struggle and wrote against the Nizam and his ways.



I have heard good things and bad things about Nizam. I have read enough about the history of Hyderabad and Nizam to say what I say. DQ you should have your facts clear. I am sure you wouldn’t look at the links I put here and read what the truth is and continue to argue just for the heck of it.



Something for you to consider



1. Don’t argue just for the heck of it

2. Have your facts clear before you take a stand.

3. Consider others points and if you don’t agree, present your points that prove otherwise, logically.

4. And its HYPO not hyper. English be damned!



~badmash~

[CtrlAltDel]

agreed that the Nizam did lotsa good things but as Badmash says it was pure exploitation of the rural poor in hands of zamindars who were the Nizam's ass-kissers. heard of the Telangana Agitation in the 40s, 50s...? it was the rural populace revolting against the oppressive Zamindars who were supported by the Nizam.



i have heard stories of Nizam's womanizing and his harem from my family friends whose family was one of the traditional wine-suppliers of the palace. i spoke to old ppl in their family who directly used to interact with the Nizam, FYI in case u say its rumour mongering.



the Nizam's greatest folly was giving Razakars a free run, who threw his tolerance outta the window and terrorised the non-muslims. most of the non-muslims lost their regard for the Nizam after that. It took Iron Man Patel to kick Nizami ass but allegedly the Razakars exist till today as a well known political group here.



DQ-bhai, yr perspective of Nizam only covers his positive aspects and u tend to see any negative arguements as rumours

[asli_badmash]

DQ-bhai, yr perspective of Nizam only covers his positive aspects and u tend to see any negative arguements as rumours

Good point... Read all books and reports, consult all people and make your own conculsions.



Your views would be influenced by what info you get. But keeping ones mind open to other opinions is the way to go.



~badmash~



PS:Also I didnt mean that calipha was fighting among themselves. I just meant that people of that time, people who accepted Islam were also prone to killing. Some of them were pretenders but they were still Muslims.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

I am using the word repeatedly as you seem to have come into Hyderabad recently. Have probably never mingled with the common man

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Is 1 generation enough? 10? 100? Where do you draw the line? How do you define a Hyderabadi? Please do explain me, I will use that as a bench mark to define Indians
What do you know about me to make such comment? Just because I said Nizam had a harem I have become non-hyderabadi to you?
Stop idolizing Nizam, be rational.

I am s***k with the ghastly abuse of Indian history. The Indians are being mocked one way or another

Abuse of history as you know it. They are true stories and not someones fantasies. That is how rulers were during Raj times because most of them were puppet regimes. Forgot why the first war of Independece in 1857 took place?



Anyway, This applies to you well.





Agnaha sukhamaradyate

Sukhataram aradyate visheshagnaha

Gyana lava durvidagdam

naram na ranjayete.

---Bratruhari subhashitani

[asli_badmash]

Is 1 generation enough? 10? 100? Where do you draw the line? How do you define a Hyderabadi? Please do explain me, I will use that as a bench mark to define Indians

Dude.. If you meant to bring up the "Aryan as invader" and subsequently the "Muslim as Invader" theory.. it was not cool.
We are all Indians.. how we ended up here is history and that cannot be changed. Similarly, we are all Hyderabadis... how we ended up here and where we come from doesnot matter. What matters is that we are here and a part of this great city.

What do you know about me to make such comment? Just because I said Nizam had a harem I have become non-hyderabadi to you? Stop idolizing Nizam, be rational.

True... all forms of goverment has its bad points... Nizam had his. While he has done some good, not all of his actions can be supported.

Abuse of history as you know it. They are true stories and not someones fantasies. That is how rulers were during Raj times because most of them were puppet regimes. Forgot why the first war of Independece in 1857 took place?

True...

Anyway, This applies to you well.
Agnaha sukhamaradyate
Sukhataram aradyate visheshagnaha
Gyana lava durvidagdam
naram na ranjayete.
---Bratruhari subhashitani

What does it mean ? And I guess its Bartruhari, BART as in BART SIMPSON not BRAT.... courtesy google.



~badmash~



~badmash~

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Dude.. If you meant to bring up the "Aryan as invader" and subsequently the "Muslim as Invader" theory.. it was not cool.

You are right, thats precisely what I meant and I know its not cool, not just un-cool but downright stupid and something in which I myself dont believe in (none of us would be Indians if we use such logics), but... he left me with no choice but to say that - dumb, moronic statements can only be countered by dumber and even more moronic statements. Sometimes it works .

What does it mean ? And I guess its Bartruhari, BART as in BART SIMPSON not BRAT.... courtesy google.

Its easier to teach an ingorant person

much easier if the person is a learned man

but even brahma cannot teach a half-knowledged person (dedh-dimags).



Something I remember from Intermediate sanskrit text book and yeah, its bartruhari and not bratruhari... thanks for correcting me.

[azazel]

Its easier to teach an ingorant person
much easier if the person is a learned man
but even brahma cannot teach a half-knowledged person (dedh-dimags).

thats a good one.. btw, the word u might've wanted there was dedh-hushshaar



n oh, the Nizam would be rotting/rolling in his grave by now..

[asli_badmash]

he left me with no choice but to say that - dumb, moronic statements can only be countered by dumber and even more moronic statements. Sometimes it works .

I see.. that was a good way of handling the issue.

Its easier to teach an ingorant person
much easier if the person is a learned man
but even brahma cannot teach a half-knowledged person (dedh-dimags).

Good one

~badmash~

[DQ]

LOLZ!!!



Mayavi all your statement are based on one single book you have read.

I have enlisted multiple resources to the acheivements of the Nizam.

Instead of accepting that you have only one such resource to back your statement, you continue to call others Morons!!!



Huh!! Facts plz ????



Asli - If you want to start a Islamic dialogue, start a new post. I would love to take on your absurd vision of Islam.

Googling can get you a lot of stuff, could be information could be junk. Do not try to mix them.



Its easier to teach an ingorant person

much easier if the person is a learned man

but even brahma cannot teach a half-knowledged person (dedh-dimags).



Shouldn't I be telling you this. Think ?



Acceptance!!!! Of what, your absurd views ?



You did not answer my Query?

Did you ever mingle with the common man.

Did you visit various parts of the city.



Look I am not a Nizam Idolizer etc, but yes credit should be give where it is due. Respect should be shown where due.



Just because some lord or lady thought that Nizam made his women wear cotton, does not mean that he was a slandrer or a miser. And you go on to say that I am making presumptions.



CAD, ASLI, MAYAVI - Never in this post have I mentioned that Nizam was a Perfect man, No.

Lets get on and see the allegations made hear.



It started with an incident in the life of Nizam.

For which someone replied that Nizam did not do anything for the Quam (Community)

For which I replied that there are a lot of contributions made by him, which are still enjoyed by the people. Some of his solutions have still not been paralleled.

He was a visionary.

Donno what way it affected some of you, who tried to drag in relegion, his harem etc etc to prove that he was inept.

To which my reply was, if you want to see his image as an outsider you will not be able to draw the real picture.

You need to re live those times to understand what it means by visionary.

Apart from factual representations in books, in the Salar Jung library, and other libraries in Hyd, I also have the experience of speaking to various people who have lived in his times.

(If you go back a couple of posts it will show you that, I am speaking about Mir Osman Ali Khan. And I do not know about the others.)



I will relate a few incidents in this post!! Probably that will drive some sense.