khudkhushi !?!?

[azazel]

late last nite, fomer Miss India, model n Mtv VJ Nafisa Joseph committed suicide. still not clear y, speculation sez cuz of problems in her relationship.. neway, the point of this thread is not to pay ur respects to anyone but on the topic of suicide.. wht do fullhydies think abt it?? is an individual justified in taking one's own life ?? for whatever reasons..



http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/30model.htm

[Red Combat]

I know a friend, whose relative committed sucide cuz of his financial problems. I dont feel sorry for him, but for his wife and two kids that he has left behind. The guys who is gone is gone. The ones who suffer is the ones left here.



I hate ppl who sucide. Cowards, who cant face life.

[asli_badmash]

late last nite, fomer Miss India, model n Mtv VJ Nafisa Joseph committed suicide.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/30model.htm

What a F***ing WASTE??



http://members.tripod.com/~mtvindia/nafisa.htm



Look at her dude.. she is awesome.. Oh sorry WAS! She could have easily found another bakra.. Hell... I am ready to offer myself. But why did she have to kill herself. What a f**king waste!



My thoughts are with the family...



~badmash~

[Red Combat]

From 1 Min Cooler's signature



~Jise dil diya woh dil-li chali gayi

jise pyar kiya woh Italy chali gayi

dil ne kahaa khud kushi kar le jalim

bijali ko haath lagaya to bijali chali gayi

[CtrlAltDel]

suicides are for cowards....or the mentally depressed who need therapy.





i advice depressed ppl to opt for "Khud Khushi" rather "Khudkhushi" to end all their sorrow...

[Red Combat]

We have been trained to justify our worth through our struggle. And yet is isn't possible to justify our worth through our struggle. Because in our struggle, we aren't connected to our Source. And when we aren't connected to Source, we have nothing to give. It is in our feeling of joy and well-being that we contribute to the whole. Then, we are contributing in significant proportion.

[asli_badmash]

We have been trained to justify our worth through our struggle. And yet is isn't possible to justify our worth through our struggle. Because in our struggle, we aren't connected to our Source. And when we aren't connected to Source, we have nothing to give. It is in our feeling of joy and well-being that we contribute to the whole. Then, we are contributing in significant proportion.

Hippie stuff... I read what you wrote TWICE and couldnt make shit of it... Explain in simple english please???

What source... what struggle... what whole???

~badmash~

[Red Combat]

I got that in junk mail, couldn't make s**t out of it, thought good stuff to spam.

[CtrlAltDel]

I got that in junk mail, couldn't make s**t out of it, thought good stuff to spam.

:? is it related to the topic of this thread?

[asli_badmash]

I got that in junk mail, couldn't make s**t out of it, thought good stuff to spam.

Spam.. Spam... Not in a thread where we are talking about some dying!

The thread is not ready to be spammed yet; Only after 50 posts can you spam.. samjhe.

~badmash~

[marko]

is an individual justified in taking one's own life ?? for whatever reasons..

yes.

[asli_badmash]

is an individual justified in taking one's own life ?? for whatever reasons..

yes.

NO.. NO.. NO... You selfish people! NO, taking ones life is not cool.

~badmash~

[CtrlAltDel]

is an individual justified in taking one's own life ?? for whatever reasons..

yes.

NO.. NO.. NO... You selfish people! NO, taking ones life is not cool.

wait a minit Badmash, we have to make a distinction here. if we are only refering to cases of suicides bcoz of depression, failure in anything etc, its not cool or can be justified.

but if we are talking of cases like "assisted suicide" for medical reasons ie Euthanesia (spell?) i think it can be justified.

[asli_badmash]

If we are only refering to cases of suicides bcoz of depression, failure in anything etc, its not cool or can be justified.

Not Cool..

but if we are talking of cases like "assisted suicide" for medical reasons ie Euthanesia (spell?) i think it can be justified.

OK.. but circumstantial.

~badmash~

[marko]

wait a minit Badmash, we have to make a distinction here. if we are only refering to cases of suicides bcoz of depression, failure in anything etc, its not cool or can be justified.

In a free society, you own your life. your only obligation is to respect the rights of others. Killing yourself robs nobody of their rights.

Yes, suicide is cowardly in the majority of circumstances. No, suicide is not cool. However, (after reading up on this) I believe this is a civil rights issue.

[asli_badmash]

In a free society, you own your life. your only obligation is to respect the rights of others. Killing yourself robs nobody of their rights.
Yes, suicide is cowardly in the majority of circumstances. No, suicide is not cool. However, (after reading up on this) I believe this is a civil rights issue.

The two statements I highlighted contradict each other.



Its not a question of just your rights.. what about the family who loves you... what about people who care for you. When you commit suicide all you are thinking about is yourself. Suicide is such a selfish act... What ever be the case... wether you failed in your love or you failed in your buisness.. it can be rectified. You can create a purpose for your life.. even if you think you failed at everything. The point is your life is not just yours... There are other people attached to you and you will only cause untold misery to them if you commit suicide.



Lets not talk about people... Would you commit suicide if you failed in your relationship ?



~badmash~

[azazel]

suicide is a cowardly act man.. there is always a way out, if u believe in tht then there is no reason to get overly depressed about anything.. Suicide is never a solution



in the case of Nafisa, its a friggin bigger waste man. Such a beautiful n talented woman in the peak of her life n career, killing herself over a failed relationship ??

[LOJ]

what surprises me is that women celebs are more prone to suicide. man the glam. industry is mean to the women folk.



btw failed relationship ---> suicide.....



bawaaaaaaaahhh ------> tho mera kya hoga ....

[marko]

Lets not talk about people... Would you commit suicide if you failed in your relationship ?

~badmash~

No. I can't forsee any circumstances where i would commit suicide, except at a time of war where doing so may save numerous lives (i.e. killing myself to avoid betraying friends under torture)



You believe that your life is not entirely your own. I believe that killing yourself, while supremely selfish, and pointless, is not infringing anyones rights, as your life is yours and yours alone. Human rights refer to the self. a family member does not have a "right" to have another family member not die.

[azazel]

You believe that your life is not entirely your own. I believe that killing yourself, while supremely selfish, and pointless, is not infringing anyones rights, as your life is yours and yours alone

its not about infringing other's rights by killing urself. my bone is against the inherent stoopidity of it all.. y kill urself in the first place???

[marko]

Suicide is never a solution

Definition of solution - A solution is an action which when taken at a state with a problem, results to another state without that problem.



Do you mean that suicide is never a good solution? Because it clearly is a solution, in that the problem goes away.



The root of my argument here is not to encourage people to consider suicide, however the way society deals with this is obviously inadaquate, as it is a major cause of death in young people. Most of the stock arguments against it i've seen elsewhere do not give any relief to people who are dealing with depression.



Telling suicidal people they're cowards clearly does not stop them from killing themselves. Often the relief of admitting that all of it could be over if they so chose is enough to keep them on the path of life.

[marko]

its not about infringing other's rights by killing urself. my bone is against the inherent stoopidity of it all.. y kill urself in the first place???

Az, you yourself defined the boundries of this thread.

is an individual justified in taking one's own life ?? for whatever reasons..

this is what i've been responding to. First you say "for whatever reasons", now you want to talk about them, "y kill urself in the first place".



I was answering the argument you put forward.

[asli_badmash]

its not about infringing other's rights by killing urself. my bone is against the inherent stoopidity of it all.. y kill urself in the first place???

Az, you yourself defined the boundries of this thread.

is an individual justified in taking one's own life ?? for whatever reasons..

this is what i've been responding to. First you say "for whatever reasons", now you want to talk about them, "y kill urself in the first place".
I was answering the argument you put forward.

What are you talking about Dude... Your points dont make any sense.



I think we have another ZC here.. live one people.



~badmash~

[marko]

its not about infringing other's rights by killing urself. my bone is against the inherent stoopidity of it all.. y kill urself in the first place???

Az, you yourself defined the boundries of this thread.

is an individual justified in taking one's own life ?? for whatever reasons..

this is what i've been responding to. First you say "for whatever reasons", now you want to talk about them, "y kill urself in the first place".
I was answering the argument you put forward.

What are you talking about Dude... Your points dont make any sense.

I think we have another ZC here.. live one people.

~badmash~

argue my points if you want to badmash, point out the inconsistancies, but don't tell me they don't make sense when you don't agree with me.

It's through debate like this that your opinions are formed in life, i've already learned a lot by my participation in this board. If you'd like me to clarify, just ask.

[CtrlAltDel]

i think i can understand marko's point. as he says suicide is a solution, but it cannot be called a good solution in most cases. it is more like the desparate act when the person does not have the courage or spirit to overcome the problem.