5 per cent quota for Muslims in AP

[ZC]

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi no point jumping from one to another thats my point



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me

[ZC]

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi no point jumping from one to another thats my point



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me

[ZC]

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi no point jumping from one to another thats my point



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me

[ZC]

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi no point jumping from one to another thats my point



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me

[ZC]

balla guddi cheppanu, 7 times padindhi

[ZC]

what VOTE BANK ? the majority of the people have chosen the govt and that govt has come with reservations.............now, u will say, majority are illiterate _......thats stupid argument, calling majority of ur won countrymen as illeterate _, is stupid argument





so, dont beat ur chest...keep quite and accept democracy

[CtrlAltDel]

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.
currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... got my point ?

so what prevents one from getting fake caste certificate by bribing the right ppl? its being done. if we can implement caste based reservation, y cant v implement economic status based reservations?

mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi

can u find an equivalent saying in English...i dont understand this

every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario...

if u look back at when the idea of caste reservations came up, Dr.Ambedkar wanted a limited timeframe for reservations. the architect of reservations and our constitution did not want reservations for ever. Its being continued only for political purposes. Ina country where caste is so important, its easy to raise anyone's passions on this issue and use it to score politcal points. if Ambedkar were alive today, he wud have been denounced by the same "backwards".

.......blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt

so, what has reservation done for the majority of the rural poor backwards? did it benefit them majorly? the rich backwards (politicians n businessmen) cornered most of the benefits and left the poors in the lurch.

....pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....

in a democracy we have the right to blame the govt and by extension the ppl who elected them. just bcoz many ppl voted for a party does not mean they have taken an informed rational decision. look at bihar. if the caste equations were removed, wud anybody vote the corrupt RJD to power again and again? does it mean the ppl r right. the biharis are getting what they deserve and if the state finally reaches the bottom (if its not there already), the ppl r to blame.
winning elections does not mean the politicians are right. look at the free power deal in AP. no one in his right mind wud say its economically the right step to take. free power today wud mean no power in a few years. but who cares abt the future. the politicians want to retain the seats TODAY.

u guys are no different from me

:shock: gaali mat de mujhe...

[ZC]

there is well in front of u, and a hole behind u.....u dont knw the depth of the other coz ur in one of them.......so, no point jumping from caste based reservations to economic status based reevrvations.......



and what makes u say that hardly anyone benifited from reservations y are u always concerned abt ur life in HYD only...u want Naidu, coz he takes vare of IT industry....go to a village and look how many are being benifited by reservations........why r u always worried abt the city population only.........?????





did we acheive 100% equality to remove reservations ? u carefully avoided my question "how many caste ghettos are there aroung u in ur Hitech City?"



................if ur so against reservations, how many of ur relatives have used girls reservations, did u ever try to talk to them and ask them to set an example by setting an example...........baateh kartha hain

[ZC]

now u tell me what is the alternative for caste resservation in order to bring abt ......upliftment of the downtrodden...........



u make ur points and ill say, how that cant be implemented.........



and ill prove that any other solution is no better than the current........if u can say that another solution is better, i wud appreciate that....else dont just blame the current state.......



yes, its ur rt to blame the govt/people in democracy, u can be open.......for whatever reason, the govt is following the opinion of majority of the people and u r unfortunate not to fall in the majority of the people .................





..........instead of blah, blah-ing, what have u done to lessen the reservations? what have u done concrete for the upliftment of the downtrodden...... sitting inside glass castles and ENTER key dabah-ne se kuch nahin hota .....instead of sitting and wasting ur time on FH DB's, go and work for the upliftment of the poor......else, jo govt kar raha hain, usko karne doh......funda math phek

[ZC]

One more question: u say that the politicians are exploiting the people......vote-bank whatever...........



how can 500 politicians in Parliament exploit more than 50% of 650 million voters



isnt the language inappropriate? its basically, the politicians are catering to the needs of more than 50% of the voters population they are doing justice.......



get ur language right

[ZC]

Final blow to all forward class people who say reservation is bad:



A forward class fellow will understand the feeling of being called a second grade citizen, when he will be treated as a second grade citizen in a foreign country.





But still, being a second grade citizen in a foreign country is a million times better than the feeling of being a second grade citizen in ur own country, which the BC/SC/ST are in India.

[akhilis2cool]

ZC bhai...no one here is aginst reservation as long as it there for a certain time frame. dont tell me that politicians like Laloo, mulayam, mayawati ahve not used it for getting votes. they used it carefully to garner votes. if reservations were the key to there upliftment they wld have matched the so called 'upper cast' by now...u c 50 yrs is a long time.!@!!!



even the person who propounded reservation system said that they shld. be removed after some time. but uc they have been there for the last several decades.



there are hundreds of people for various castes who fake there caste ceritficates to get the advantage of being a reserved candidte. isnt that the misuse of reseration???? wht abt the other deserving candidates.



last and final point...i am completely against reservation for people in educational insts. esp if they are allowed to get in with a lesser merit. that simply spoils the education system.

[CtrlAltDel]

there is well in front of u, and a hole behind u.....u dont knw the depth of the other coz ur in one of them.......so, no point jumping from caste based reservations to economic status based reevrvations...

... so wat diference will it make which well u r in...at least the economic status reservations will reach all those who deserve reservations - ie the poors, of whom the "backwards" are the largest constituent.

...go to a village and look how many are being benifited by reservations...

thats my point. in the villages the poor backwards got benefited. good for them. here unfortunately the forwards in poverty were not benefitted in anyway. i graduated from a small town in Karnataka that was semi rural in nature. i saw first hand how it worked. the rich backwards enjoyed the same benefits as the poor ones. many of our friends (incl. rich backwards) had to pool in money to pay the exam fees of a classmate coz he was a poor "forward" who cud not afford the fees (his dad ran a tiffin bandi). how can u justify this?

did we acheive 100% equality to remove reservations?

the economic status resrevations will not make any difference to the poor backwards since they r poor anyway. so what is the problem?

"how many caste ghettos are there aroung u in ur Hitech City?"

i am sorryto tell u that i havent seen any. ppl live in mixed colonies, eat in mixed restaurants, work in mixed offices, enjoy in mixed malls/cinemas etc? what caste ghettos? this is what economic progress has done and this the ONLY way to remove casteism. if ppl are busy making money, no one has time to think of the other person's caste. The poors have to be uplifted. yr arguement assumes that the poors are there only among backwards.
u have avoided my question: if u were a well-to-do backward, how justified is it that your kids enjoy reservations?

...how many of ur relatives have used girls reservations

some have and i am ashamed of it. i always critisize them for it and tell they r where they r bcoz of reservation and not coz of hard work. this is what backwards who come up get to hear, even if they are top performers and deserve their positions.

[ZC]

there is well in front of u, and a hole behind u.....u dont knw the depth of the other coz ur in one of them.......so, no point jumping from caste based reservations to economic status based reevrvations...

... so wat diference will it make which well u r in...at least the economic status reservations will reach all those who deserve reservations - ie the poors, of whom the "backwards" are the largest constituent.

thats my point, u can introduce reservation based on economic status.....wont they get cheated, false certificates.....ill give u an example:



If u introduce this reservation: people will put their kids in orphanage, so they are classified as poor when the kid grows, u write down ur property to him/her .................. do u have a solution ?

[ZC]

there is well in front of u, and a hole behind u.....u dont knw the depth of the other coz ur in one of them.......so, no point jumping from caste based reservations to economic status based reevrvations...

... so wat diference will it make which well u r in...at least the economic status reservations will reach all those who deserve reservations - ie the poors, of whom the "backwards" are the largest constituent.

thats my point, u can introduce reservation based on economic status.....wont they get cheated, false certificates.....ill give u an example:

If u introduce this reservation: people will put their kids in orphanage, so they are classified as poor when the kid grows, u write down ur property to him/her .................. do u have a solution ?

everyone is saying that this caste reservation shud be removed and economic reservation shud be implemented................



i have just raised a point where there is possibility of uprooting the eonomic reservation even before it starts ..........u guys have any other solution

[CtrlAltDel]

now u tell me what is the alternative for caste resservation in order to bring abt ......upliftment of the downtrodden...........
u make ur points and ill say, how that cant be implemented.........

i have already made mine: reservations for the poor....in education or govt jobs.

...for whatever reason, the govt is following the opinion of majority of the people and u r unfortunate not to fall in the majority of the people...

its the govt that has fed the opinions of the guillible "majority". the concept of reservations were suitable to a different time. now u yrself said it has benifitted 1000s in villages...they just dont wanna give up reservations coz they have bcome lazy and the politicians wont dare take it off coz the "lazy majority" wod oppose it.

...instead of blah, blah-ing, what have u done to lessen the reservations? what have u done concrete for the upliftment of the downtrodden...... sitting inside glass castles and ENTER key dabah-ne se kuch nahin hota .....instead of sitting and wasting ur time on FH DB's, go and work for the upliftment of the poor......else, jo govt kar raha hain, usko karne doh......funda math phek

i am workng n improving the economy of the country and paying taxes so that the govt can fund its stupid schemes. thats what i am doing. i am from a very ordinary lower middle class family. my family has achieved its current position due to our hard work n capacity...not coz of any "reservations". u r only telling that the well-to-do "backwards" are incapable of hard work and self improvement. u r wrong.

whom are u uplifting sitting abroad and lecturing this way?

[ZC]

whom are u uplifting sitting abroad and lecturing this way?

NRI remittances, which are more than ur taxes

[akhilis2cool]

whom are u uplifting sitting abroad and lecturing this way?

NRI remittances, which are more than ur taxes

do u think those remittances go into upliftment of the BW cast????

keep dreaming dude

[CtrlAltDel]

how can 500 politicians in Parliament exploit more than 50% of 650 million voters

are u blind? isnt that happeneing already. majority of indians dont have a rational thinking. they are easily swayed by caste or religious considerations. the politicians are just exploiting this loop hole.

basically, the politicians are catering to the needs of more than 50% of the voters population

its like saying if u get a majority hooked on drugs and then supply drugs cheap to them, its justice. the politicians have spread this reservations virus in society and the affected backwards are hooked to it now. thats it.

[ZC]

whom are u uplifting sitting abroad and lecturing this way?

NRI remittances, which are more than ur taxes

do u think those remittances go into upliftment of the BW cast????
keep dreaming dude

the taxes on them definitely does.....economy, bullshit, everyone contributes not only u in India all NRIs outside India, by the so called remittances

[ZC]

how can 500 politicians in Parliament exploit more than 50% of 650 million voters

are u blind? isnt that happeneing already. majority of indians dont have a rational thinking. they are easily swayed by caste or religious considerations. the politicians are just exploiting this loop hole.

basically, the politicians are catering to the needs of more than 50% of the voters population

its like saying if u get a majority hooked on drugs and then supply drugs cheap to them, its justice. the politicians have spread this reservations virus in society and the affected backwards are hooked to it now. thats it.

basically, ur saying that most/majority Indians are _...thats what i am also saying, since long

[CtrlAltDel]

being a second grade citizen in a foreign country is a million times better than the feeling of being a second grade citizen in ur own country, which the BC/SC/ST are in India.

so how is caste reservation helping here? it just fuels resentment and increases feeling of anger in many forwards? if reservations are for poors of all castes, no one wud mind.

[ZC]

being a second grade citizen in a foreign country is a million times better than the feeling of being a second grade citizen in ur own country, which the BC/SC/ST are in India.

so how is caste reservation helping here? it just fuels resentment and increases feeling of anger in many forwards? if reservations are for poors of all castes, no one wud mind.

seems u missed my point:



If u introduce this reservation: people will put their kids in orphanage, so they are classified as poor when the kid grows, u write down ur property to him/her .................. do u have a solution for such a problem, if it ever crops up ?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

CAD guruji....the compliment you gave me a few days ago is back at you. If my retort to ZC was one of the best, your rally with him would rank right there at the top.



ZC....I've just stepped into office. And reading your posts was like reading a Kekta Kapoor novel. Contradictions ki bharmaar hai bhai. I'll be back here and share my 2 cents too....but later in the day.



Tab tak......bakre ki maa.....kair manaa

[CtrlAltDel]

last and final point...i am completely against reservation for people in educational insts. esp if they are allowed to get in with a lesser merit. that simply spoils the education system.

i disagree here. the poors need all the chnace they can get to make their way to the top. let them get in with lesser scores. later in life, they will ulimately succeed or fail on their performance....unless they r in a govt job of corz