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by rabbithole » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:45 am

abe yeh postaan kya re baap! sab jagah duble duble postaan hore! wesite prob :roll:
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by rabbithole » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:45 am

abe yeh postaan kya re baap! sab jagah duble duble postaan hore! wesite prob :roll: ..mereko pata hai yeh bhi 2 times post hoga :roll: :roll:
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by ZC » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:01 pm

since i am supporting the reservations people i became bad :roll:



thousands of years, the brahmins, the kings and vysyas harassed others....whats that called.....what are they called ?



bad*10E9 ? :roll:
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:17 pm

ZC wrote:since i am supporting the reservations people i became bad :roll:
thats not true ZC...yr problem is that even if u have valid points, u put it in a way where others get annoyed with u. in other words, the language of yr posts, irritates the shit outta everbody....even if by chance anyone agrees with u, they prefer to oppose u since it becomes embarrassing for them to be seen supporting your views. that is the problem.
ZC wrote:thousands of years, the brahmins, the kings and vysyas harassed others....whats that called.....what are they called ?
bad*10E9 ? :roll:
the nature of society then and now is totally different. u cannot harp on the past everytime in order to justify your stance. its like saying we have to declare war/enemity towards britain NOW coz they looted us for 100s of yrs.
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by ZC » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:00 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:the nature of society then and now is totally different. u cannot harp on the past everytime in order to justify your stance. its like saying we have to declare war/enemity towards britain NOW coz they looted us for 100s of yrs.




1.) untouchability/casteism hasnt been eradicated



ex: engineering n medical colleges in state.....in the cities, how many caste ghettos are present in ur HiTech city ?



how many times u, or ur family member has asked others "what is ur caste?" and this question my friend for a BC/SC/ST guy sucks and it sucks big-time



2.) economic reservations are not the solution.



ex: abuse of scholarships by rich people, they get a cheap low income certificate, coz they are not in govt services.





3.) How do u serve T/food to ur servant maid at home ? separate utensils and leftovers ?





4.) U are seeing only those children of govt officers in cities who are again benifiting from reservations after their parents. what abt many many of those who come from small towns and villages who are the 1st among there famly to utilise the reservation..........these people are large in number than the people in cities.....





do u have a solution for the upliftment of the down-trodden.



and btw, rules are made by past experiences only...........its only less than 60 yrs since Independence.......





and my language dude: i write so bluntly (as u say, people may agree with me, but are afraid to write in down) its okay, i know that my questions hit the bang on target....and some-of them even feel that what i say it absolutely rt....its only that i speak my mind out......here, coz here ur identity is not revealed :D and others dont even have that much guts....even at the face-less DBs, they dont have the guts to speak out :roll:.....prolly coz, they want to attend FHmeet and impress people :roll:
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by Idontdiscriminate » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:10 pm

ZC wrote:1.) untouchability/casteism hasnt been eradicated


Yes it hasn't been. It'll take some time to eradicate them too. I don't see reservations as a solution to that. When i was young I did not know my caste. The first time I knew my caste was when our school had to submit our information for SSC. So by birth I wasn't a racist, my parents did not teach me to be racist. I am not racist now, but then every time I see someone with quota ( minorities/women) I feel I've been cheated. Does that make me racist?

ZC wrote:ex: engineering n medical colleges in state.....in the cities, how many caste ghettos are present in ur HiTech city ?


How many????

ZC wrote:how many times u, or ur family member has asked others "what is ur caste?" and this question my friend for a BC/SC/ST guy sucks and it sucks big-time


Never, and I am sure most people don't. Besides why should they be ashamed of their caste? The only reason they gotta be ashamed of is because they have it the easy way ... I don't see any other reason. Nobody is ashamed of their own religion/caste/sect.

ZC wrote:2.) economic reservations are not the solution.

ex: abuse of scholarships by rich people, they get a cheap low income certificate, coz they are not in govt services.


Rich people exploiting quotas simply because they are classified SC/ST/BC is ok??? Every system has a loophole. One must try to eliminiate them if possible.

ZC wrote:3.) How do u serve T/food to ur servant maid at home ? separate utensils and leftovers ?


Maybe at your place. Besides do people who belong to backward classes embrace their servants/maids and share the same plate every other day?
I think not, everybody thinks about hygiene. You wudn't let your own brother share food with you if he's dirty. That doesn't justify having a quota.

ZC wrote:4.) U are seeing only those children of govt officers in cities who are again benifiting from reservations after their parents. what abt many many of those who come from small towns and villages who are the 1st among there famly to utilise the reservation..........these people are large in number than the people in cities.....


As long as they are economically well off .. they don't deserve any quota. If they are poor, the idea of economic reservations stands.

ZC wrote:do u have a solution for the upliftment of the down-trodden.



Nobody does, one can only try.

ZC wrote:and btw, rules are made by past experiences only...........its only less than 60 yrs since Independence.......


oh yeah? that's why ... _ congress, they don't belong to this age.

ZC wrote:and my language dude: i write so bluntly (as u say, people may agree with me, but are afraid to write in down) its okay, i know that my questions hit the bang on target....and some-of them even feel that what i say it absolutely rt....its only that i speak my mind out......here, coz here ur identity is not revealed :D and others dont even have that much guts....even at the face-less DBs, they dont have the guts to speak out :roll:.....prolly coz, they want to attend FHmeet and impress people :roll:




Bang on target? Absolutely right? Impress who?
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:05 am

ZC wrote:and my language dude: i write so bluntly (as u say, people may agree with me, but are afraid to write in down) its okay, i know that my questions hit the bang on target....and some-of them even feel that what i say it absolutely rt....its only that i speak my mind out......here, coz here ur identity is not revealed :D and others dont even have that much guts....even at the face-less DBs, they dont have the guts to speak out :roll:.....prolly coz, they want to attend FHmeet and impress people :roll:




With the meets we're having nowadays, I can very well understand the underlying need in people like you to go out and impress others (note that only males have attended FH meets, save MLS @ the second meet). But please don't extend the same line of thought and sexuality to others too ZC.
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by The Rainmaker » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:19 am

ZC wrote:1.) untouchability/casteism hasnt been eradicated
3.) How do u serve T/food to ur servant maid at home ? separate utensils and leftovers ?




1) it has been eradicated to a large extent. its like saying racism in america has not been eradicated. yes, there are some whites who still don't treat blacks as equals, and there are odd ones out in india as well. overall, the country and countrymen do not practise it.



2) leftovers, because the servant maids job description is to serve... they have to eat after everyone else. every arabian family here has servant maids in their house - either filipino, lankan or indian. they are treated in a worse way than the servants in indian households. in india, loyal servants who serve from a long time are given respect, given help when he/she has family probs.... they almost become part of the family if they are good.
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by ZC » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:10 pm

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:..............he meets we're having nowadays, I can very well understand the underlying need in people like you to go out and impress others (note that only males have attended FH meets, save MLS @ the second meet). But please don't extend the same line of thought and sexuality to others too ZC.




i never attend-ed meetings and have no intensions of doing it.........so, i have no intentions of impressing people, so i talk/post blunt messages........:D



and y did u assume that i am talking abt opposite sex only :roll:

impressing people, for u prolly means only opposite sex....not for me :D
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by ZC » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:11 pm

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:..............he meets we're having nowadays, I can very well understand the underlying need in people like you to go out and impress others (note that only males have attended FH meets, save MLS @ the second meet). But please don't extend the same line of thought and sexuality to others too ZC.




i never attend-ed meetings and have no intensions of doing it.........so, i have no intentions of impressing people, so i talk/post blunt messages........:D



and y did u assume that i am talking abt opposite sex only :roll:

impressing people, for u prolly means only opposite sex....not for me :D
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by ZC » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:11 pm

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:..............he meets we're having nowadays, I can very well understand the underlying need in people like you to go out and impress others (note that only males have attended FH meets, save MLS @ the second meet). But please don't extend the same line of thought and sexuality to others too ZC.




i never attend-ed meetings and have no intensions of doing it.........so, i have no intentions of impressing people, so i talk/post blunt messages........:D



and y did u assume that i am talking abt opposite sex only :roll:

impressing people, for u prolly means only opposite sex....not for me :D
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by asli_badmash » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:57 pm

ZC wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:..............he meets we're having nowadays, I can very well understand the underlying need in people like you to go out and impress others (note that only males have attended FH meets, save MLS @ the second meet). But please don't extend the same line of thought and sexuality to others too ZC.

i never attend-ed meetings and have no intensions of doing it.........so, i have no intentions of impressing people, so i talk/post blunt messages........:D
and y did u assume that i am talking abt opposite sex only :roll:
impressing people, for u prolly means only opposite sex....not for me :D
Well... People meet other people for many reasons:

1. Hang out and have fun and make friends

2. have a bigger circle of friends.

3. Know people and experience other cultures.

4. Network and open new avenues.



Not necessarily to impress other people. :roll:



By expressing your opinion that you dont meet people to impress them, who are you trying to impress. Why are you trying to stand out of the crowd ? Saying "I am blunt..". I have care a DAMN attitude. Arnt you trying to impress people... Before you point fingers at people see how many of those fingers are pointing back at you.



This is a forum to express your opinion and the same thing happens when people meet at FHDB meets. We talk, laugh, share jokes and go back home. Nobody is trying to impress anyone. Got it!



Seriously.. Why do you have a skewed line of thinking in all matters? Were you dropped on your head as a Baby!



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by asli_badmash » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:58 pm

ZC wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:..............he meets we're having nowadays, I can very well understand the underlying need in people like you to go out and impress others (note that only males have attended FH meets, save MLS @ the second meet). But please don't extend the same line of thought and sexuality to others too ZC.

i never attend-ed meetings and have no intensions of doing it.........so, i have no intentions of impressing people, so i talk/post blunt messages........:D
and y did u assume that i am talking abt opposite sex only :roll:
impressing people, for u prolly means only opposite sex....not for me :D
Well... People meet other people for many reasons:

1. Hang out and have fun and make friends

2. have a bigger circle of friends.

3. Know people and experience other cultures.

4. Network and open new avenues.



Not necessarily to impress other people. :roll:



By expressing your opinion that you dont meet people to impress them, who are you trying to impress. Why are you trying to stand out of the crowd ? Saying "I am blunt..". I have care a DAMN attitude. Arnt you trying to impress people... Before you point fingers at people see how many of those fingers are pointing back at you.



This is a forum to express your opinion and the same thing happens when people meet at FHDB meets. We talk, laugh, share jokes and go back home. Nobody is trying to impress anyone. Got it!



Seriously.. Why do you have a skewed line of thinking in all matters?



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by asli_badmash » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:00 pm

ZC wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:..............he meets we're having nowadays, I can very well understand the underlying need in people like you to go out and impress others (note that only males have attended FH meets, save MLS @ the second meet). But please don't extend the same line of thought and sexuality to others too ZC.

i never attend-ed meetings and have no intensions of doing it.........so, i have no intentions of impressing people, so i talk/post blunt messages........:D
and y did u assume that i am talking abt opposite sex only :roll:
impressing people, for u prolly means only opposite sex....not for me :D
Well... People meet other people for many reasons:

1. Hang out and have fun and make friends

2. have a bigger circle of friends.

3. Know people and experience other cultures.

4. Network and open new avenues.



Not necessarily to impress other people. :roll:



By expressing your opinion that you dont meet people to impress them, who are you trying to impress. Why are you trying to stand out of the crowd ? Saying "I am blunt..". I have care a DAMN attitude. Arnt you trying to impress people... Before you point fingers at people see how many of those fingers are pointing back at you.



This is a forum to express your opinion and the same thing happens when people meet at FHDB meets. We talk, laugh, share jokes and go back home. Nobody is trying to impress anyone. Got it!



Seriously.. Why do you have a skewed line of thinking in all matters?



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by asli_badmash » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:29 pm

God DAMN IT! :x :x :x

Admin do something about the tripple posts...

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by Asli_badmash » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:40 pm

asli_badmash wrote:God DAMN IT! :x :x :x
Admin do something about the tripple posts...
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That appeared only once :? Oh.. so basically even if the browser is failed to be notified that the post has been made(for whatever reason), the post is actually being made. I get it...



People even if the browser says it did not post.... the message it actually is posted. The FHDB server is not sending the proper confirm page back, hence "the server not found" page is shown.



Spread the word we know how to handle the tripple/double post demon.



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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:39 am

asli_badmash wrote: Saying "I am blunt..". I have care a DAMN attitude. Arnt you trying to impress people... Before you point fingers at people see how many of those fingers are pointing back at you.

Seriously.. Why do you have a skewed line of thinking in all matters?

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i thot being blunt with the so called stupid attitude is classified as "BAD" ..............................and that people try to impress by trying to be BAD is news to me :roll:





second, skewed thinking mein mazaa hain :D try to do it for once in ur life :D



ZC: do u have a solution for the upliftment of the down-trodden.

Idontdiscriminate's answer: Nobody does, one can only try.





my answer: thats what the govt is trying to do rt now. when u dont have an answer and when the govt is trying.....dont point fingers......point fingers, when u have a better implementable solution......and by just saying....lets ban reservations on caste and start reservations by economic status, its bad planning.......sounds like Tuglaq moving capital to daulatabad :roll:
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by CtrlAltDel » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:42 pm

ZC wrote:thats what the govt is trying to do rt now. when u dont have an answer and when the govt is trying.....dont point fingers......point fingers, when u have a better implementable solution......and by just saying....lets ban reservations on caste and start reservations by economic status, its bad planning.......sounds like Tuglaq moving capital to daulatabad :roll:
why do u feel reservations on economic status is bad? it wud cover most of the "backward" castes anyway since most of them are poor and it would also help ppl of "forward" caste who are poor. the current reservation model also unfairly helps rich ppl among the "backwards".

the reservation shud be used as a tool for upliftment of the poor so that they get a chance to improve their life.

i will give an example. let us assume for a moment that u come from a poor "backward" family who used reservation to come up in life. it is justified too. now u r settled abroad and doing well. if u come back to india is it justified for your kids to enjoy reservation just bcoz of caste? there are 100s of live examples of this. when i was in college, rich students from SCs or STs had to pay just nominal or no fees while very poor students from forward castes had to borrow money even to pay exam fees. is this fair?



i wont buy the arguement that the government is trying to do good to the backwards thru reservation. if this was the case, why didnt the reservations help all these decades? these decisions are purely political decisions to create and maintain a "vote-bank".
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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:01 pm

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... :roll: got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " :roll: thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people :roll: and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable :roll:



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi :roll: no point jumping from one to another :roll: thats my point :D



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt :roll:
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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:03 pm

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... :roll: got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " :roll: thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people :roll: and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable :roll:



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi :roll: no point jumping from one to another :roll: thats my point :D



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt :roll:
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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:05 pm

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... :roll: got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " :roll: thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people :roll: and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable :roll:



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi :roll: no point jumping from one to another :roll: thats my point :D



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt :roll:



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me :D
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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:07 pm

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... :roll: got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " :roll: thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people :roll: and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable :roll:



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi :roll: no point jumping from one to another :roll: thats my point :D



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt :roll:



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me :D
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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:10 pm

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... :roll: got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " :roll: thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people :roll: and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable :roll:



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi :roll: no point jumping from one to another :roll: thats my point :D



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt :roll:



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me :D
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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:10 pm

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... :roll: got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " :roll: thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people :roll: and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable :roll:



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi :roll: no point jumping from one to another :roll: thats my point :D



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt :roll:



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me :D
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by ZC » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:11 pm

i am not saying that reservation on economic status is bad...i am taking of whether its 100% implementable.



currently, rich people are getting low income certificates and getting scholarships.....so, this will happen again..... :roll: got my point ?



my friend rainmaker (?) says, "they are doing this coz they there is reservation " :roll: thats a laughable argument, coz for thousands of yrs, the forward caste people (who were rich) have taken every opportunity to harass the backward people :roll: and have taken the wrong path always........now, saying that they are taking scholarships (by wrong path) only becoz of reservatiosn is laughable :roll:



the situation is like;



mundhu nuyyi, venakala goyyi :roll: no point jumping from one to another :roll: thats my point :D



every system has its own disadvantages, the Indian system has evolved and it best suits the current scenario..........blaming the system which is happily managing the 1 billion population is kids talk.....and then there are people who call me a faux-patriot and they themselves take every chance to blame the govt :roll:



now dont say, ZC is blaming all Indians for being racists, we are blaming only the govt........pls remember that India is a democracy, blaming the govt is blaming the people, and vice versa....u guys are no different from me :D
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