i dont know why people are so particular.
>> don't know why my malayalee christian friend (who belongs to a syrian orthodox church) isnt allowed to marry the love of his life (a malayalee christian gal who belongs to the catholic church).
>> don't know why my gujarati bori muslim friend isnt permitted to marry someone outside his community... in fact, his sister didnt find a suitable bori muslim match in india so they married her off to some dude in karachi, pakistan (who was a "100%" bori).
>> don't know why my kashmiri hindu friends parents have issued orders that he has to marry only a fellow kashmiri.
its not about racism, its about people wanting to preserve their own culture. i dont subscribe to this view, but then most asian communities are "like this only".
US sucks as big as it is...
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The Rainmaker wrote:i dont know why people are so particular.
>> don't know why my malayalee christian friend (who belongs to a syrian orthodox church) isnt allowed to marry the love of his life (a malayalee christian gal who belongs to the catholic church).
>> don't know why my gujarati bori muslim friend isnt permitted to marry someone outside his community... in fact, his sister didnt find a suitable bori muslim match in india so they married her off to some dude in karachi, pakistan (who was a "100%" bori).
>> don't know why my kashmiri hindu friends parents have issued orders that he has to marry only a fellow kashmiri.
its not about racism, its about people wanting to preserve their own culture i dont subscribe to this view, but then most asian communities are "like this only".
thats the very better way of putting it.......
Birds of a feather flock together sounds cool....the bottom line is....ur a racist.
Culture is bull-shit !! it to me, sounds like the Two Lilliput kingdoms in Guillivers Travel fighting coz...One breaks the Egg from the side that is long, others break the egg from the side that is short......
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I didnt want to post anything since it seems that everyone has been bragging about being indian and how americans (or any firangs) are. I cant say that i'm confused but rather shocked. I had Indains parents who went to the States after having me and I went shortly after...so I never learnt a lot of the indian culture except through Sunday 1-hours specials on a spanish channel.
I did learn some through interest provided by one of my uncle's (who lives an hour and half away). So Maybe Sunday afternoons would be to have a community get-together (an hour to go and an hour to come!!!)
One thing I have noticed about my upbringing is that I was never subjucated to the Indian and Muslim controversies (rivalries?) that happens in India. I had lots of friends (not just "indians") For me indians were everyone from India.
My father being indian obviously wanted me to date only indian girls....I don't think he appreciated the fact that she was American "Indian"! (joke ok) but seriously he didnt appreciate americans...now what to do when the closest indian girl is about 2 hours away and she's got tons of other indian guys that live there??
Anyway..thats me cribbing about how my indian parents carried the indian values over to me. 98% in Biology Honors was not good...why not 100%...or that I have to become a doctor or an Engineer or an MBA grad...
Please dont take it the wrong way and get upset...but i wanted to put in my two cents(and maybe a bit more). (I know it kinda random...)
I did learn some through interest provided by one of my uncle's (who lives an hour and half away). So Maybe Sunday afternoons would be to have a community get-together (an hour to go and an hour to come!!!)
One thing I have noticed about my upbringing is that I was never subjucated to the Indian and Muslim controversies (rivalries?) that happens in India. I had lots of friends (not just "indians") For me indians were everyone from India.
My father being indian obviously wanted me to date only indian girls....I don't think he appreciated the fact that she was American "Indian"! (joke ok) but seriously he didnt appreciate americans...now what to do when the closest indian girl is about 2 hours away and she's got tons of other indian guys that live there??
Anyway..thats me cribbing about how my indian parents carried the indian values over to me. 98% in Biology Honors was not good...why not 100%...or that I have to become a doctor or an Engineer or an MBA grad...
Please dont take it the wrong way and get upset...but i wanted to put in my two cents(and maybe a bit more). (I know it kinda random...)
Does anyone even read these?
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ZC wrote:The Rainmaker wrote:i dont know why people are so particular.
its not about racism, its about people wanting to preserve their own culture. i dont subscribe to this view, but then most asian communities are "like this only".
thats the very better way of putting it.......
Birds of a feather flock together sounds cool....the bottom line is....ur a racist.
uh... i said "i dont subscribe to that view", and yet im a racist? you have some explaining to do. or perhaps u have to learn to read things carefully before u start yakking away
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ZC....Face the Perfect ire as you've angered the perfectionist.
Every place in the world will have strife. And India is no exception. You're being judgemental by looking at only the negatives in India and escaping from the positives by calling them a show off.
Try and defy my logic.
No....Indian values are welcoming even unknown faces and treating them as guests. Sharing whatever is available with the guest and making him feel comfortable. True....these values have eroded from a lot of homes over time...but they still exist in a vast majority of Indian families (as well as well as several other cultures).
Everything seems yellow to the jaundiced eye.
Ye sab aapke ghar pe hota hoga...humare nahi.
And the whole world knew it. There are countries where people are killed everyday and nobody comes to know. Atleast here in India, the media is allowed freedom to report.
What rot are you talking about? I've dug pretty deep and still no rot to be seen.
since when did marrying outside your caste become a sign of being open? And marrying within the same caste is something you'll see everywhere.
Can't really help it if you don't wish to budge from your frog-in-the-well attitude.
Every place in the world will have strife. And India is no exception. You're being judgemental by looking at only the negatives in India and escaping from the positives by calling them a show off.
Try and defy my logic.
ZC wrote:What are Indian values?
A **** family offering Tea/Coffee/Food to a non-**** in separate utensils reserved (in their home) for low-caste people......and sometimes not allowing them even to enter their house and if these people go to someone else's house...they dont even drink water....
No....Indian values are welcoming even unknown faces and treating them as guests. Sharing whatever is available with the guest and making him feel comfortable. True....these values have eroded from a lot of homes over time...but they still exist in a vast majority of Indian families (as well as well as several other cultures).
ZC wrote:Indians: The Most Racist of All Humans
Everything seems yellow to the jaundiced eye.
ZC wrote:abt family values.....its forced upon most people......social stigma....not values.......
Ye sab aapke ghar pe hota hoga...humare nahi.
ZC wrote:and in Indian Graham Staines was murdered
And the whole world knew it. There are countries where people are killed everyday and nobody comes to know. Atleast here in India, the media is allowed freedom to report.
ZC wrote:atleast in the other countries, they say directly....other not allowed....in India we say everyone is same for show-off and if u scratch the surface ...u will see the rot !!
What rot are you talking about? I've dug pretty deep and still no rot to be seen.
ZC wrote:There are thousands of castes.....whom do u marry dude....from ur own caste, them from ur own sub-sect......y are u so particular ?
since when did marrying outside your caste become a sign of being open? And marrying within the same caste is something you'll see everywhere.
ZC wrote:Culture is bull-shit !! it to me, sounds like the Two Lilliput kingdoms in Guillivers Travel fighting coz...One breaks the Egg from the side that is long, others break the egg from the side that is short......
Can't really help it if you don't wish to budge from your frog-in-the-well attitude.
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no use arguing with ZC yaar...:rollHabitual Perfectionist wrote:ZC....Face the Perfect ire as you've angered the perfectionist.
one thing we gotta admire in ZC...he sticks to his stand whether he's talking sense or bullshit...
wtf? i no longer care if my posts hurt yr feelings
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CtrlAltDel wrote:one thing we gotta admire in ZC...he sticks to his stand whether he's talking sense or bullshit...
in this case, of course, its the latter!
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The Rainmaker wrote:CtrlAltDel wrote:one thing we gotta admire in ZC...he sticks to his stand whether he's talking sense or bullshit...
in this case, of course, its the latter!
If people contradict u......it becomes bullshit
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there are some people who have sensible arguments.... habitual perfectionist, azazel, JLU, marko, etc....
and there are some who just "ZC" others
and there are some who just "ZC" others
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ZC....Face the Perfect ire as you've angered the perfectionist.
Every place in the world will have strife. And India is no exception. You're being judgemental by looking at only the negatives in India and escaping from the positives by calling them a show off.
Exactly: So dont say other are _.
there are the positives and there are negatives for everyone....So All Indians dont become saints and all others dont become _ !!
No....Indian values are welcoming even unknown faces and treating them as guests. Sharing whatever is available with the guest and making him feel comfortable. True....these values have eroded from a lot of homes over time...but they still exist in a vast majority of Indian families (as well as well as several other cultures).
again, explained above +ve and -ve look at both everywhere........before u start pointing fingers at others
Everything seems yellow to the jaundiced eye.
thats escapism by using an idiom, make ur point.........i can say the same when u guys call others countries as bad !!
Ye sab aapke ghar pe hota hoga...humare nahi.
dont get personal, i dont want to stoop to ur level
And the whole world knew it. There are countries where people are killed everyday and nobody comes to know. Atleast here in India, the media is allowed freedom to report.
no point comparing with stupid countries, u have to look ahead for progress, not behind.......
What rot are you talking about? I've dug pretty deep and still no rot to be seen.
religious harmony blah, blah, blah.....and u see differentiation by caste, religion in all aspects of life, go to a village and look
since when did marrying outside your caste become a sign of being open? And marrying within the same caste is something you'll see everywhere.
....u neednt show-off as being open by marrying inter-caste/religion....atleast u shuldnt look-down upon them......and thats what happens if this happens in a middle class, lower middle class families.........thats my definition of racists. marry only ur caste people....move only with ur caste people etc etc, racism is justn ot color of skin .......go to medical and engineering colleges and look.....what kinda ghettos do people move in ???????/
Can't really help it if you don't wish to budge from your frog-in-the-well attitude.[/quote]
again, make ur point....dont use idioms, i can use the same, remember that all idioms u use are equally applicable to both parties in an argument
HPs Case rested !! he doesnt know how to make a point !! either gets personal or uses idioms !!
PS: i need not showing off to be a patriot on a DB.......like others do.
I am a patriot when and where in matters !! firecely protective abt India in front of others and fiercely critical amongst ourselves !!
Every place in the world will have strife. And India is no exception. You're being judgemental by looking at only the negatives in India and escaping from the positives by calling them a show off.
Exactly: So dont say other are _.
there are the positives and there are negatives for everyone....So All Indians dont become saints and all others dont become _ !!
ZC wrote:What are Indian values?
A **** family offering Tea/Coffee/Food to a non-**** in separate utensils reserved (in their home) for low-caste people......and sometimes not allowing them even to enter their house and if these people go to someone else's house...they dont even drink water....
No....Indian values are welcoming even unknown faces and treating them as guests. Sharing whatever is available with the guest and making him feel comfortable. True....these values have eroded from a lot of homes over time...but they still exist in a vast majority of Indian families (as well as well as several other cultures).
again, explained above +ve and -ve look at both everywhere........before u start pointing fingers at others
ZC wrote:Indians: The Most Racist of All Humans
Everything seems yellow to the jaundiced eye.
thats escapism by using an idiom, make ur point.........i can say the same when u guys call others countries as bad !!
ZC wrote:abt family values.....its forced upon most people......social stigma....not values.......
Ye sab aapke ghar pe hota hoga...humare nahi.
dont get personal, i dont want to stoop to ur level
ZC wrote:and in Indian Graham Staines was murdered
And the whole world knew it. There are countries where people are killed everyday and nobody comes to know. Atleast here in India, the media is allowed freedom to report.
no point comparing with stupid countries, u have to look ahead for progress, not behind.......
ZC wrote:atleast in the other countries, they say directly....other not allowed....in India we say everyone is same for show-off and if u scratch the surface ...u will see the rot !!
What rot are you talking about? I've dug pretty deep and still no rot to be seen.
religious harmony blah, blah, blah.....and u see differentiation by caste, religion in all aspects of life, go to a village and look
ZC wrote:There are thousands of castes.....whom do u marry dude....from ur own caste, them from ur own sub-sect......y are u so particular ?
since when did marrying outside your caste become a sign of being open? And marrying within the same caste is something you'll see everywhere.
....u neednt show-off as being open by marrying inter-caste/religion....atleast u shuldnt look-down upon them......and thats what happens if this happens in a middle class, lower middle class families.........thats my definition of racists. marry only ur caste people....move only with ur caste people etc etc, racism is justn ot color of skin .......go to medical and engineering colleges and look.....what kinda ghettos do people move in ???????/
ZC wrote:Culture is bull-shit !! it to me, sounds like the Two Lilliput kingdoms in Guillivers Travel fighting coz...One breaks the Egg from the side that is long, others break the egg from the side that is short......
Can't really help it if you don't wish to budge from your frog-in-the-well attitude.[/quote]
again, make ur point....dont use idioms, i can use the same, remember that all idioms u use are equally applicable to both parties in an argument
HPs Case rested !! he doesnt know how to make a point !! either gets personal or uses idioms !!
PS: i need not showing off to be a patriot on a DB.......like others do.
I am a patriot when and where in matters !!
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The Rainmaker wrote:there are some people who have sensible arguments.... habitual perfectionist, azazel, JLU, marko, etc....
and there are some who just "ZC" others
basic human nature....a friend of a friend is an friend....an enemy of an enemy is an friend...... i can understand ur comments !!
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ZC wrote:
basic human nature....a friend of a friend is an friend....an enemy of an enemy is an friend...... i can understand ur comments !!
don't "basic human nature" me! i have opposed HP in one of his perfectspeaks and opposed Marko in the mercy thread. i have no qualms about admitting that they make sensible arguments.
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The Rainmaker wrote:ZC wrote:
basic human nature....a friend of a friend is an friend....an enemy of an enemy is an friend...... i can understand ur comments !!
don't "basic human nature" me! i have opposed HP in one of his perfectspeaks and opposed Marko in the mercy thread. i have no qualms about admitting that they make sensible arguments.
i mean this topic
i dont believing in crossing topics just as u appreciate ur attiitude ZEE: the Colossus
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ZC wrote:there are the positives and there are negatives for everyone....So All Indians dont become saints and all others dont become _ !!
there was no mention of Saints and A--holes over here. all that was expected of you was to stop being pessimistic about our great motherland.
no point comparing with stupid countries, u have to look ahead for progress, not behind.......
....u neednt show-off as being open by marrying inter-caste/ religion....
show-off??? why do u think everything is pretence? u've got a major mental block ZC
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The Rainmaker wrote:ZC wrote:there are the positives and there are negatives for everyone....So All Indians dont become saints and all others dont become _ !!
there was no mention of Saints and A--holes over here. all that was expected of you was to stop being pessimistic about our great motherland.no point comparing with stupid countries, u have to look ahead for progress, not behind.......
....u neednt show-off as being open by marrying inter-caste/ religion....
show-off??? why do u think everything is pretence? u've got a major mental block ZC
personal comments, not appreciated......and u say i have problems !!:roll:
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The Rainmaker wrote:ZC wrote:there are the positives and there are negatives for everyone....So All Indians dont become saints and all others dont become _ !!
there was no mention of Saints and A--holes over here. all that was expected of you was to stop being pessimistic about our great motherland.no point comparing with stupid countries, u have to look ahead for progress, not behind.......
....u neednt show-off as being open by marrying inter-caste/ religion....
show-off??? why do u think everything is pretence? u've got a major mental block ZC
No-body clearly said..... Saints and _....i am just opposing.... (all) India(ns) is(are) Great.........and i am opposing....all other countries are bad !!
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im just saying>>
I don't care about other countries, and I haven't labelled any as "bad" yet. However, there are countries with a predominantly bad element in them - Pak, North Korea.
About India, it is a great country with good people. A small percentage of them maybe bad, but don't blame the whole basket because of few bad apples.
I don't care about other countries, and I haven't labelled any as "bad" yet. However, there are countries with a predominantly bad element in them - Pak, North Korea.
About India, it is a great country with good people. A small percentage of them maybe bad, but don't blame the whole basket because of few bad apples.
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ZC wrote:Exactly: So dont say other are _.
there are the positives and there are negatives for everyone....So All Indians dont become saints and all others dont become _ !!
Nobody was looking at things in Black and white till you entered the scene. We were all talking about positives and negatives at both the places. In the past, I've written against several Indian practices as well as individuals. Whatever you said here doesn't really hold true for me.
ZC wrote:again, explained above +ve and -ve look at both everywhere........before u start pointing fingers at others
If you read my post carefully, which I don't think you have, you'll notice that I didn't point my finger at anyone. All I did there was to explain you some truths about actual Indian culture, which I also agreed has diluted quite a lot.
ZC wrote:Indians: The Most Racist of All Humans
Who was pointing fingers here?
ZC wrote:thats escapism by using an idiom, make ur point.........i can say the same when u guys call others countries as bad !!
Idioms never imply escapism. They are just another way to put across a point in a telling manner. I'm not surprised you took it otherwise. As I said, everything seems yellow to the jaundiced eye.
ZC wrote:dont get personal, i dont want to stoop to ur level
Correction.....to come to my level, you'll have to rise...not stoop. You're enlightened now.
ZC wrote:no point comparing with stupid countries, u have to look ahead for progress, not behind.......
What do you mean by looking ahead? US & UK? Do I even need to point out how many things are swept under the carpet there? Atleast the Indian media has a much higher sense of decorum. They do sensationalise things....but the things they sensationalise have some bearing on the common man. Not stuff like the private lives of celebrities etc.
ZC wrote:religious harmony blah, blah, blah.....and u see differentiation by caste, religion in all aspects of life, go to a village and look
ZC wrote:....u neednt show-off as being open by marrying inter-caste/religion....atleast u shuldnt look-down upon them......and thats what happens if this happens in a middle class, lower middle class families.........thats my definition of racists. marry only ur caste people....move only with ur caste people etc etc, racism is justn ot color of skin .......go to medical and engineering colleges and look.....what kinda ghettos do people move in ???????/
You'll see the same ghettoisation everywhere ZC...stop being so pessimistic about your own country.
ZC wrote:again, make ur point....dont use idioms, i can use the same, remember that all idioms u use are equally applicable to both parties in an argument
Nobody stopped you from using them. And I will accept your argument about the same idiom holding true for both sides if you can back it up with adequate facts. As stated earlier, I know that every nation is made up of both good and bad elements and I won't have a problem accepting the same again.
ZC wrote:HPs Case rested !! he doesnt know how to make a point !! either gets personal or uses idioms !!
Teach me how to make a point sir. Mai zindagi bhar aapka aabhaari rahoonga.
ZC wrote:I am a patriot when and where in matters !!
I somehow see you as a faux-patriot when and where its convenient. sheepishly servile in front of others and painfully pessimistic amongst ourselves.
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HP...that ranks as one of the best retorts to ZC...lets see wat he says 2moro...
but take my word...he wont give up till he wears u out....
but take my word...he wont give up till he wears u out....
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CtrlAltDel wrote:HP...that ranks as one of the best retorts to ZC...lets see wat he says 2moro...
but take my word...he wont give up till he wears u out....
You took the words right outta my mouth, Andy.
Whenever you can't sleep
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And heaven cracks
A song falls softly from the light of heaven.
May you be treated to a song
And heaven cracks
A song falls softly from the light of heaven.
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me bad boy Lexi...now, what do i put back in your mouth Lexi...Alexis wrote:You took the words right outta my mouth, Andy.
...to compensate u know!wtf? i no longer care if my posts hurt yr feelings
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CtrlAltDel wrote:me bad boy Lexi...now, what do i put back in your mouth Lexi...Alexis wrote:You took the words right outta my mouth, Andy.
What do you have in mind? My words are priceless, you know. Do you have something just as priceless
Whenever you can't sleep
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And heaven cracks
A song falls softly from the light of heaven.
May you be treated to a song
And heaven cracks
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well...why dont u check out what i have in mind before putting a price tag on it...u might agree that its priceless too...Alexis wrote:My words are priceless, you know. Do you have something just as priceless
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Arre......ye kya jahan dekho wahan ladkiyon aur aurton ki tarah bargaining aur behes karne lag jaate ho tum dono.
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:shock: bargaining? behas? where? where?Habitual Perfectionist wrote:bargaining aur behes karne lag jaate ho tum dono.
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