Your Role Model

by **The Rainmaker** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:19 pm

i wasnt making fun of your chem teacher... it was aimed at marko!

i dont think u got that. just like its impossible for dravid to be a cross-dresser, its impossible for ur chem teacher to have loose morals. i brought out the stark opposite in both examples so that it sounds preposterous.

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:16 pm

Marko...I don't see what's wrong with someone looking upto David Beckham as a role model. He's a good player, softspoken and demure off the field and electric on it. Is it just because he's rich and has a cute wife? or is it because of the fact that inspite of so many personal problems, he still is the mainstay behind the English team?

Alexis...My point was never that I wanted ppl not to have parents/relatives as role models. What I meant was that the field to select a role model should not be restricted just to parents/relatives.

Alexis wrote:I didnt say they were easier to look up to. I do look up to them for whetever reasons Id stated.

Alexis wrote:Being a totally family-oriented person, I find it easier to look up to people I know personally.

Looked a bit self-contradictory. :wink:

by **Alexis** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:17 pm

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:Alexis...My point was never that I wanted ppl not to have parents/relatives as role models. What I meant was that the field to select a role model should not be restricted just to parents/relatives.

Alexis wrote:I didnt say they were easier to look up to. I do look up to them for whetever reasons Id stated.

Alexis wrote:Being a totally family-oriented person, I find it easier to look up to people I know personally.

Looked a bit self-contradictory.

It looked contradictory, but its not. What I meant was that there might be thousands of people with the qualities I find admirable in my parents........but I choose my parents to be my role models. And when I said "its easier....", I meant that my parents are people I know personally, so Im aware of their plus and negative points. Its easier to look up to the good in them and ignore the bad, since they are my parents.

If it were someone else, Id be more critical and judgemental.

by **SimarikSmokin** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:05 am

Tell me one thing why should people look up to celebrities when do they don't do anything anyways, all they are people who have done nothing but make stupid movies which people go and see so they can get that attention, besides why is it a problem if me or anyone looks up to their parents, because i think they are far a better person than a celebrity or a sports person. Well maybe i can't explain as well as i should be writing.

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:00 am

SimarikSmokin wrote:Tell me one thing why should people look up to celebrities when do they don't do anything anyways, all they are people who have done nothing but make stupid movies which people go and see so they can get that attention, besides why is it a problem if me or anyone looks up to their parents, because i think they are far a better person than a celebrity or a sports person. Well maybe i can't explain as well as i should be writing.

What I understand from this is that you feel that a parent is better than a celebrity or a sportsperson. This is what I feel shouldn't happen. You should never restrict your choice of a role-model to a select few. I agree that there are quite a few celebrities who are not exactly role model material, but for every one of them, there's atleast one more who is more than role model material. Here are certain celebrities who are role model material and aninsight into what you can learn from them.

Movies :

Amitabh Bachchan : He is the ultimate professional. There are so many instances where his professionalism has shone through in an industry where it is a rare commodity. Also, his grace and perseverance.

Govinda, Jackie Shroff, Mithun Chakraborty : Laugh at me, but here are three guys who rose to great heights in their professions. But one thing they never forgot was their roots. Even today, inspite of their professional success, they are literally revered in their parts of the town as sons of the soil.

Suniel Shetty & Jaya Bachchan : Here are two celebrities who could teach you a lesson or two about family values. Suniel is part of one of the happiest couples in Bollywood today. And bollywood is not exactly famous for steady marriages. Jaya married a struggler at the peak of her career as an actress and then gave up acting as it was being a hurdle in the path of a happy family. Her sacrifice bore fruit. She's part of one of the most famous couples in the world.

Sports :

Sachin Tendulkar : Dedication is his middle name. Remember the 99 world cup? He came back to play for the country right after attending his father's funeral. Even today, he's one of the first players to start practice in the morning.

Kapil Dev : Coming from the most modest of backgrounds, he went on to become one of the world's greatest ever cricketers. His Rapidex English Speaking Course advertisement was the butt of jokes when it used to be aired, but here was a man who studied throughout in vernacular medium but today, can speak flawless, although accented, english. Learn some dedication from him. And inspite of being an all-time great, he was never arrogant. The perfect gentleman is one of the most modest persons in the business.

Wilma Rudolph : The epitome of grit and a never-say-die attitude. She was born in a family of 20 and was crippled at birth. She went on to win 3 Olympic gold medals in the 1960 games at Rome.

Can you really tell what qualities you are looking upto in your parents and what are the events that led you to those conclusions about them? Alexis did specify the qualities but I'm sure that more than half the people who look upto parents or relatives as role models would not be able to. The examples I quoted are not exhaustive and I can go on and on about people from every field. You can find role models anywhere. The main thing is to find out what quality you are looking for in someone and then doing your best to imbibe it.

SS...please do not say that celebrities and sportspersons are good-for-nothings who have achieved what they have by sheer luck. In most of the cases, they have achieved more than you can even imagine. And not all of it is by luck.

by **SimarikSmokin** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:18 am

Well that is what you think and the way you think you might think of them as role models but for me they are just attention mongers, ok so what they migght have won an award for best actor or the ESPY award for MVp player but no sorry they are not worth a role models, because some kids might feel bad when they can't be as good as their "role models: like Sachin or whatever popular crickets guys are.

All i am saying i would rather have some who acheived their goals by sweat and effort.

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:23 am

SimarikSmokin wrote:All i am saying i would rather have some who acheived their goals by sweat and effort.

Do you mean to say ESPY's and MVP's are earned without sweat and effort?

by **SimarikSmokin** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:27 am

yes i mean they did work for it, but for me as an individual they are not worth role models for me. For other people here yes, me no. I repsect and love my parents, because my dad and mom have been through a hella bad time to get where they are, which i would be contradicting myself saying those athletics didn't work hard.

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:41 am

SimarikSmokin wrote:yes i mean they did work for it, but for me as an individual they are not worth role models for me. For other people here yes, me no. I repsect and love my parents, because my dad and mom have been through a hella bad time to get where they are, which i would be contradicting myself saying those athletics didn't work hard.

This was my point. I respect your parents for having achieved whatever they have. Consider this. When you can look upto your parents for having gone through a bad time and achieved a lot, why not others? I'm not directing you to make role models outside your family, but just requesting you not to trash the hard work done by celebrities to reach their position. They also have done a lot.

by **SimarikSmokin** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:40 am

requesting you not to trash the hard work done by celebrities to reach their position. They also have done a lot.

If by "hard working" celebrities, you mean "CASTING COUCH" then its not that hard to open your "legs".

CEO's and owners of Huge Companies mainly acquire their wealth mainly through inheritance.

by **azazel** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:04 am

SimarikSmokin wrote:If by "hard working" celebrities, you mean "CASTING COUCH" then its not that hard to open your "legs"

where'd that come from??

go thru what HP told ya again.. ur just arguing for argument's sake..

CEO's and owners of Huge Companies mainly acquire their wealth through inheritance

heard of Bill Gates?? Dhirubhai Ambani??

by **Aquarian81** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:10 am

I sort of agree with SS on this, but not in its entirety. Sports figures in American sports are truly good for nothing, save a few. Kobe Bryant, who was the best player, role model for kids and adults, an supposed example setter, was charged with violently raping a 19 year old at a resort. Is he worthy of being placed on a pedestal? 99% of athelets shoot up and are addicted to steroids usuage, without which they wouldnt even be in the sports world. Too many atheles have been arrested for either rape, attempted murder, drug charges, unruly behavior or just plain crims like DUI, street violations, etc.

My point is, you cant model your life after people who are not capable of being a role model. Look to people who you are more familiar with.

by **azazel** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:35 am

Aquarian81 wrote:My point is, you cant model your life after people who are not capable of being a role model. Look to people who you are more familiar with.

there's bad apples everywhere ma'am.. in a similar way, there may be paarents who're not worthy of being looked upon.. i agree celebs n athletes should not be looked upon as role-models based on what lil' u know about them.. but if someone is worthy, say the Big B, then i see no harm in it.. i mean, look at the man..he's modest enuff to admit that he was so bankrupt that he would've swept the roads if he was asked to for money n this is someone who's regarded as India's biggest celebrity.. the way he dug himself out of the hole is amazing to say the list.. then, there are many self-made people out there worthy of being looked upon.. my point being.. role-models as suh shouldnt be restricted to ppl u know.. might be the easiest thing to do, but there definitely are ppl out there worthy of being in the pedestal

by **Aquarian81** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:33 pm

I agree Azazel, I never said there isnt a single person worthy enough to be a role model, I meant that even people we would expect to have role model qualities these days are bad to the bone. Why should we have to sieve through the lot, in order to find one role model? How will children know whether the person has good intentions or bad?

There are too many bad apples

Athelets: Kobe Bryant and numerous others who have criminal charges

Singers: Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown, P. Diddy, Marshal Mathers, Courtney Love, and too many more

Politicians: Rapists, killers and crooks

...................too many bad people everywhere.

by **Lucifer** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:06 pm

If people have difficulties finding their role models, they need not look much further than The Lord of the Darkness.

by **Aquarian81** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:56 pm

If people have difficulties finding their role models, they need not look much further than The Lord of the Darkness.

True Lucifer, or even just 'The Lord' (I mean the real one)

by **Lucifer** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:22 pm

Aquarian81 wrote:True Lucifer, or even just 'The Lord' (I mean the real one)

The real one has a long line to cater to. You may be dead by the time he gets to you. The Devil has a faster queing system - FCFS/m/m/666/infinity/infinity. And, he does not turn anyone down!

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:56 pm

I feel I've provided wnough facts to back up whatever I said. I said in one of my earlier posts that for every bad apple, there is atleast one who is more than worthy of being a role model. And I even listed a few that came to my mind instantly.

SS.....I can understand you not knowing about the backgrounds of Dhirubhai Ambani, Karsanbhai Patel, Lakshmi Mittal, Narayana Murthy etc. But look at examples from businesses in your country of domicile. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Ray Kroc. I don't see a penny in inheritance there.

Politicians are a breed that I didn't discuss in my last thread. Here are some political gems you would love to adore.

Indians first :

Lal Bahadur Shastri, Sardar Patel, C.Rajagopalachari, Pt.Rajendra Prasad, Dr.Radhakrishnan, Chandrababu Naidu, Sheila Dikshit. The list includes both the older and current generations of politicians. Everybody in this list, and many more, have qualities in them that make them good choices for role models.

Foreigners :

Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, Margaret Thatcher. And this is just a sampling from the posse of American & British heads of government.

I feel that I don't need to reiterate my points anymore. I rest my case as I see no point in mindlessly arguing.

by **The Rainmaker** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:24 pm

well written, HP!

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:Indians first

yes, always!

its time we started looking upto fellow Indians for inspiration, instead of citing american celebs (most of whom are not worth being role models).

by **Alexis** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:04 pm

I think you all should just stop discussing this matter now. Its already a heated conversation.......just end it now and forever hold your peace.

by **The Rainmaker** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:12 pm

i second that

by **SimarikSmokin** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:42 am

Like i care what people think of me you can hate me or love me i don't care, i am the type of people who doesn't care of you call me a bitch or anything bad like that. I wanted to make sure that i hate the fact that people tale this board so seriously oh look i can't say that because he or she might hate me. I don't really care i am sick of my sister telling me to care what people say about me. If you think i am a blonde then think, if you think i am stupid than do. I know this is off topic but its been bothering so much and i am just so mad right now.

by **Alexis** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:50 am

SimarikSmokin wrote:Like i care what people think of me you can hate me or love me i don't care, i am the type of people who doesn't care of you call me a bitch or anything bad like that. I wanted to make sure that i hate the fact that people tale this board so seriously oh look i can't say that because he or she might hate me. I don't really care i am sick of my sister telling me to care what people say about me. If you think i am a blonde then think, if you think i am stupid than do. I know this is off topic but its been bothering so much and i am just so mad right now.

First, Id like to request you to proof-read your posts before clicking 'Submit'. Remember, PROOF-READ

You shouldnt care what people youve never met before think of you---but do you really wanna come off as a 'Bitch' (as you put it)? Its one thing speaking you mind and not hiding behind a facade of sweet innocence. Its another when you start acting unlike yourself (as you sometimes do) just cuz you know they dont know you.

And about this impromptu post, this expression sums up what I think of it: :roll:

by **-:-PhAT-:-** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:40 am

bitchari...all mad...j/p

omg..i don hav a role model...i mean thrs no one i realli look upto...

i look at maniee ppl...buh don realli look up to em...

oh well...i lik Helen Kellers lyfe tho..whtevr i read bout her...her courage n determination n all of those wrds...m sure i wudnt hav done nthin..bein deaf n blind n all...as it is...don do much...

***I see you almost every day...notice your smile and your thugged

out ways..usually not attractive soo intensively to a man of your type

buh your mystery intrigues me...let me show you what im like***

by **CtrlAltDel** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:04 am

SimarikSmokin wrote:Like i care what people think of me you can hate me or love me i don't care, i am the type of people who doesn't care of you call me a bitch or anything bad like that. I wanted to make sure that i hate the fact that people tale this board so seriously oh look i can't say that because he or she might hate me. I don't really care i am sick of my sister telling me to care what people say about me. If you think i am a blonde then think, if you think i am stupid than do. I know this is off topic but its been bothering so much and i am just so mad right now.

wow! what an attitude....u r my role model now SS... :lol:

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