Does he deserve mercy??

by **akhilis2cool** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:57 pm

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=49716

i heard abt it in y`days news...its amazing how the NHRC comes in to save the convicts and does nothing for the victims....

i personally feel he shld be hanged

by **rabbithole** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:38 am

i feel he shud b given a life sentence...that way he will live to repent wat he did evryday of his life! Its prolly much more tough to live knowing that u r never going to b free than gettin hanged....thats wat i think :roll:

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:38 am

In India, the maximum term a person can be imprisoned is 7 yrs and in some cases its 14 years, this includes the time he spent in jail during trial. So if you imprison him for life, he would be released in a year or two as he already spent 11 years in jail.

by **rabbithole** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:03 am

ohh! i stand corrected. then i guess my vote goes for capital punishment :roll:

by **akhilis2cool** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:18 am

his father and mother have pleaded mercy...even several personalities like mira niar are asking for mercy....and dont know why they so enthusiastic for this guy....there are several others who get hanged every year....

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:21 am

'cos thats not their daughter that has been raped and murdered.

by **akhilis2cool** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:22 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:'cos thats not their daughter that has been raped and murdered.

yeh,

that also applies to those who are supporting the mercy pettition....

even the TV channels have there opinions...Zee was totally in favour of hanging...whereas NDTV wanted mercy

by **CtrlAltDel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:36 am

akhilis2cool wrote:NDTV wanted mercy

wtf?

someone shud rape n murder Prannoy Roy's daughter and then lets see what NDTV says...bas***ds.

by **akhilis2cool** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:38 am

whats also amazing is that the guy has been in jail for the last 13 yrs...and the mercy seekers now say he has already got his punishment :evil:

by **CtrlAltDel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:44 am

they can let him go on one condition: His balls have to be chopped off... :evil:

...and then he shud be locked up in a room with Raj.. :mrgreen:

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:18 pm

Capital punishment is a highly debated subject nowadays. This is the "PERFECT" view on it.

There should be no mercy for people who have committed heinous crimes without any mass psychology factor involved (purely for mercenary benefits or due to a mental illness) and whose guilt is proven. For example, the convict in question in the given article. Or someone like Charles Sobhraj. We have to implement large scale judicial reforms in this respect. Many a times, criminals get away scot-free, inspite of having committed crimes openly, just by exploiting some loophole in the system. I know that evolving a watertight judicial system is impossible, as it would involve sacrificing many innocents in the bargain and thus, would be a draconian system. On the other hand, the system should be such that people who have committed crimes openly should not be spared because of things like want of evidence etc.

Criminals with mental illnesses should be treated, if possible and if not, should be kept under humane captivity. And then there are criminals who have been influenced by some mass psychology factor, for example, militants at the lower rungs of the organisational structure of militant groups. Such people should be rehabilitated under watchful eyes.

Finally, a word for the so called upholders of human dignity and human rights. I don't see any logic in pardoning the rapist and killer of an innocent 14 year old schoolgirl. Do you want the society to be exposed to the likes of Dhananjoy Chaterjee? Who will take the responsibility that his crime wouldn't be repeated? It's very easy to shout slogans against the death penalty, but remember that we are a mature democracy, and our judiciary, inspite of small and big abberations, has managed to stay up in the eyes of the people as an institution that still works with high moral values. Why can't we trust it with Capital Punishment too?

by **Lucifer** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:56 pm

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:In India, the maximum term a person can be imprisoned is 7 yrs and in some cases its 14 years, this includes the time he spent in jail during trial. So if you imprison him for life, he would be released in a year or two as he already spent 11 years in jail.

MM, I thought I should make a clarification here. The maximum prison term for a rapist in India is 7 years. The maximum term, in all other cases, could be upto 14 years. But that has now been changed. Ever since these bloody so called 'upholders of mercy petition by standing against capital punishment' came in the maximum term has been made lifelong. So, now life term actually means life term. However, it still does not mean that the sentence cannot be reviewed. If good conduct is observed in the prisoner he can be let out on parole. This is why I fully support capital punishment in cases like the one this thread talks about.

The only thing men fear is death. Most of us would rather live a life under shackles and behind bars than die. Death penalty is a huge deterrent for many potential criminals. The rapist and murderer deserves to die. In fact, I am in favour of death penalty for rapists, too. Rape is a crime more heinous than muder. The victim has to live with it for life.

by **azazel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:10 pm

i think ive voiced my opinion earlier on something similar.. the criminals guilty of such crimes should be executed rather than being kept alive wherein they'll only be a burden on the exchequer.. the Capital punishment is the best deterrent for any potential criminal.. most importantly, what is needed is a revamp of the judicial system..

by **akhilis2cool** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:28 pm

i guess most of the people share the same views here....

i dont know wat shld b done abt the NHRC people....they only come in for the convicts and not for the victims....bas*****

by **akhilis2cool** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:28 pm

so many days have gone by and the decision hasnt been taken yet....%^*&^)^()_+_$$#%$ :evil:

by **akhilis2cool** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:35 pm

Y`day was watching Zee news. They showed how people with death sentence are executed in various countries.

US has the maximim variety: Nerve gas, Injection, electricution...yearly abt. 80 people are executed.

In the middle east they ccould hanged in public.

In iraq during saddams regime the people were taken to a open place...the bomb was placed in there pockets and they died instantly...

in someparts of the middle east they are shot in public by the victims family members...

indians shld consider themselves lucky....

by **azazel** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:08 pm

in Saudi Arabia, they're also decapitated :twisted:

which more or less is the best deterrent .. the crime-rate is amongst the lowest in the world..

U.S, depsite all the various measures taken, still has one of the highest crime-rates in the world..

indians shld consider themselves lucky....

why bubba?? there's no luck in losing yer life ..neway it might be..

btw, methinks they should bring the Iron Maiden back for a slow n payneful death :twisted:

by **akhilis2cool** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:12 pm

azazel wrote:
indians shld consider themselves lucky....

why bubba?? there's no luck in losing yer life ..neway it might be..

lucky becoz in some of those coutries the people are excuted without any trial

by **azazel** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:58 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:lucky becoz in some of those coutries the people are excuted without any trial

depends on the kind of judicial system the country has.. in India, for exactly the same reason.. criminals r oh soooooo lucky.. :roll:

by **Jaan** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:12 pm

I think there is only one solution to such a problem that exists everywhere ~

Everyone should own a gun!

Jaan

by **Jaan** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:15 pm

I thought this was funny from the article:

to bring in a legislation at the Centre banning death sentence, he said: ‘‘There should be other, more civilised modes of punishment.’’

What a sad situation...what can you do...money talks more powerfully.

Jaan

by **azazel** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:12 am

Jaan wrote:Everyone should own a gun!

like tht annoying kid in one of the stooopid commercials.. er.. Usse kya hoga??

‘‘There should be other, more civilised modes of punishment.’’

had i been there, i would've said :arrow:

Ok

by **akhilis2cool** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:54 am

as per the latest news...the govt. has said there wont b any mercy

by **marko the pacifist** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:53 pm

Ok, first off I’ve got to say that I’m not familiar with this case, or with the death penalty in India.

However I’d like to argue that the death penalty is not a suitable deterrent to crime in a just society.

1. In the US the average cost of executing a prisoner is more expensive than the average cost of keeping one incarcerated for life. This is mainly due to the appeals process which is necessary to minimise the risk of executing an innocent (see 2), and so is necessary in any just society.

2. In the US there have been 114 people released from death row since 1973. If the correct appeal structure had not been in place these innocents would have been murdered by the state.

3. There has been at least 1 innocent executed (murdered) by the UK. This was the final execution in the UK, people couldn’t stomach the idea of another innocent person being killed by the state (and by extension, themselves)

4. There is no proof that the DP is a deterrent. There have been many studies (none of them conclusive) that there are far higher rates of violent crime in countries with the DP

Right, now let us suppose that a person who rapes and murders another human being deserves to die. If the state does NOT kill them, an injustice has been done, as they deserve to die. Note that while this is an injustice, they will still be severely punished (i.e. incarcerated for life).

If the state uses the death penalty, there is no way to guarantee that no innocents will be killed (there will always be mistakes)

If the state DOES kill innocents, an injustice will have been done.

The argument against the death penalty that I will put is that the second injustice (i.e. that of the state executing an innocent person) is a greater injustice than the first injustice (that of the state NOT executing a guilty person).

When you add this to the cost of executing the DP correctly (far more than the cost of life imprisonment, this money could be used to add extra police on the streets, education, and other things that would cut crime), I believe that the death penalty is wrong.

Please, if you do respond to this argument, don’t do it on an emotional level (“what if it was your daughter raped and murdered”, etc. If it was my daughter I’d want to kill the bastard myself, but that doesn’t invalidate the argument)

by **Lucifer** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:10 pm

Marko, the pacifist! Sounds like Akbar, the Great, does it not? :lol:

Anyways, I am really in no mood to take up cudgels with you though I do not accede to your point of view. What I would say, however, is that people who oppose the death penalty should be hanged!

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