I did not like this...

[The Crackednut]

...Nor would any sane person on this planet. Abuse of prisoners in Iraq comes to light in this article from the Daily Mirror. Read on:



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm ... _page.html



caution:: contents of the story can and will change ur mood.

[Xiaowind]

Is that the human rights which US are preaching?

[azazel]

such a shame..

the U.S just reminds me so much of Hitler's third reich, can even draw parallels..

1.Fake a reason to start a war with hapless ppl..

2.Use the pretext of acting as a saviour to the ppl..

3.Main reason: Occupation/draining of resources..



but, there a few deviations too.. Hitler may have been a megalomaniac, but he certainly wasnt stupid/bad orator!

England was on the good side!

U.S has actually succeeded in uniting the various sections of Iraqi society n given some fundamentalist organisations a huge boost by providing them with recruit-material..



p.s: read the article in today's DC by Mr.xyz?!?! reg. this situation..

[BM]

[Johnny]

Shameless... Wtf do these White Racists think of themselves.. Gawd... Has anybody seen the movie The Platoon, gives an unbiased insight into the US soldiers mentality in Vietnam war. How they tortured the innocent vietnemese just for the pure pleasure of race satisfaction.

The same thing is happening here too in Iraq. If one asks me i wud say Hitler was better, he atleast was truthful and had his goals clearly specified.

[Ranu]

Yes, boycott US and lets NOT think of going there since they are such racisits. what d' all say?

[Ranu]

Yes, boycott US and lets NOT think of going there since they are such racisits. what d' all say?

Oh, BTW even the British army has done something similar. The news media is just begun to buz on that, So, no UK too.

Ye.e.a!



so NO brain drain.



YES.

[azazel]

anybody seen the movie The Platoon, gives an unbiased insight into the US soldiers mentality in Vietnam war. The same thing is happening here too in Iraq. If one asks me i wud say Hitler was better, he atleast was truthful and had his goals clearly specified.

yea, the movie was good, wouldnt say unbiased tho..

Iraq is turnin out to b another 'Nam for them, apart from ingraining even more hatred in the minds of millions in the middle-east, thereby endin up helpin the terrorists/fundamentalists in their cause.. which is just plain stooopid to say the least ! they should just leave Iraq to the Iraqis n stop messin arnd in other ppl's affairs..

[Jaszalcatraz]

I believe that the real bad-guys are the oil companies. To fulfil their greed for oil from Iraq they strong-armed the goverment to start a fake war. Other than that (and the numerous rebuilding contracts), I dont see why this war was started.

[Ranu]

Yes, boycott US and lets NOT think of going there since they are such racisits. what d' all say?

Oh, BTW even the British army has done something similar. The news media has just begun to buz on that, So, no UK too.
Ye.e.a!

so NO brain drain.

YES.

What ? No takers to boycott US or UK ? No crying out racists ? No saying 'down down, usa' ?

So much for crying out loud about all these issues

tch.tch.



Looks as if we just cry out loud for the sake of crying out loud. (and still yearn to go to United States, as a priority, if not, why not UK? or as a third choice: Aussies may NOT be racisits too, you know ? aaj kal tho apne spain'yards' are maha liberal. they love the terrorists. They love to do what the terrorists demand of them. there, we all have such a wonderful phoren countries where we are all hellcome. he.he.he. )



baheno aur bhayion, kyon nahin ?kyon nahin ? cry out loud for the sake of crying out loud yet lou phoren countries. kitne matlabi hai yaar hum !

humare yahan kya kam hote hai kya aissi harkatein ? bus baahar nahin aati hai.



mein yahan dekhti hun usii liye tho bataa rahee hun yar, ke yahan par apne yahan jis tarha se police stationo mein zulm har din hothi hai ustarha iek baar raq mein hua hai. mein zarror kahati hun ki yeh nahin hona tha, ofcourse. it is a dastardly act. they will be punished, if not earlier, atleast now since the world has come to know of it, but , USA is USA. guys.



It is a wonderful country where mostly there are wonderful things that happen, too.

[Ranu]

How did we react to what the terrorists had done to the American citizens ? By shooting them, dragging their bodies through the streets and hanging a body across the bridge and dancing ?



What do the human rights activists have to say that ? It is not inhuman? because its Americans bodies?



What about Somalia ? where the UN-American soldiers were dragged alive all over the place and killed and jumped upon ?



What about our own soldiers during Kargil war? thier limbs were cut and put in bags along with the bodies and thrown into our side of the border, you know.



where do the human rightists go at such times ?

[JustaLittleUnwell]

How did we react to what the terrorists had done to the American citizens ? By shooting them, dragging their bodies through the streets and hanging a body across the bridge and dancing ?

What do the human rights activists have to say that ? It is not inhuman? because its Americans bodies?

What about Somalia ? where the UN-American soldiers were dragged alive all over the place and killed and jumped upon ?

where do the human rightists go at such times ?

None of the above is justifiable, but the Americans had no business to be there in the above places or in Vietnam. You can't expect human rights in a territory you are invading - the Geneva conventions notwithstanding.

[black wizard]

from now on i shall only listen to european metal.

[Imran]

...f***k .. US & P**s UK ..... They r both responsible fr the Terrorism ...

[Ranu]

[quote="JustaLittleUnwell None of the above is justifiable, but the Americans had no business to be there in the above places or in Vietnam. You can't expect human rights in a territory you are invading - the Geneva conventions notwithstanding.[/quote]



Invading? defending ones country? arre yaar, politics apart, saddam had wmd's. UN gave him 17 of them for what ? come on Justa ! somalia me tho they were there through UN. aur kya hua ?



Nam ka tho its a diff story altogether.. it had been N.Vietnam vs S.Vietnam and Russia vs US thi somethign like India vs Pak



you know how that works.

[black wizard]

its funny how the US and UK call everyone terrorist. i mean just look at what they're doing.

its a known fact that the CIA trained the taliban and bin laden.

everyone knows that the US can go to any extent, and i mean any extent to do protect their interests.

the only thing for the invasion of iraq was to hog iraq of its sole posession...OIL.



they are a bunch on self centered egoistic racist maniacs who think whatever they do is right.

its like Uncle Sam says, "U have WMDs for the destruction and terrorism. i have WMDs for world peace" hypocrisy or what,eh?

[The Crackednut]

...in all astonishment i can only sigh "This stuff is getting better"

chk this out:



http://www.empirenotes.org/prisoners.html

[TormentorOfAmericanSoulsWizzy]

...in all astonishment i can only sigh "This stuff is getting better"
chk this out:

http://www.empirenotes.org/prisoners.html

dude, all these pics were published in yesterdays DC.

hideous

[The Crackednut]

sorry Wizzy.. i don't subscribe for monthly tissue paper at my place. in anycase, the link (http://www.empirenotes.org) has detailed commentry on the ongoing iraqi situation.

Basically, I like reading such overviews and that's what i think the internet is meant for. Reaching out to millions of other ppl. That's why i wanted to share it with the folks at fullhyd.

[CtrlAltDel]

if those jihadi fundoos were not knocking in our backyard i wud have helped them in someway, maybe monetarily, to strike aginst the US o A.



but the boycott is not practical atleast for me: i work for a US company

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Invading? defending ones country? arre yaar, politics apart, saddam had wmd's. UN gave him 17 of them for what ? come on Justa ! somalia me tho they were there through UN. aur kya hua ?

Nam ka tho its a diff story altogether.. it had been N.Vietnam vs S.Vietnam and Russia vs US thi somethign like India vs Pak

you know how that works.

Saddam has WMD's!? Where are they? are they invisible WMD's? UN gave saddam what? FYI, it was US that supplied chemical weapons (WMD's) to Iraq during Iran-Iraq war. Saddam gassed iranians ans killed thousands of them, later, after DS I, US supported a khurdish upraising only to back off at the last minute, not just htat, they gave saddam's Airforce special permission to fly in No-Fly zone and saddams choppers gassed and killed thousands of khurdish people and brutally supressed the revolt.



And in vietnam it was N.nam Vs S.nam and not russia vs US. Russia was never ever officially involved in the conflict.



In somalia, the Americans were there for peace keeping but what do they do? They play dirty politics, thier intention was never to promote peace but to show American superority and establish a pro-american government. Yes, 18 US soldiers including few elite Delta soldiers were killed and two black hawks were down, but ever gave a thought abt the number of somalians killed? US puts it at 2000! Redcross puts it at 4000, unofficial figure is 10,000! 18 soldiers for 4000 civilians! what the F is that? and u expect to respect the corpses? Is American life more valuable than somalian life?

Look what Indian peace keepers did in Somalia, they promoted peace, set up field hospitals, distributed food inspite of the politics played by US and UK. Result, when India pulled out troops somalia was peaceful. Thats how peace keeping is done.



Why are the Americans in Iraq? Oil. The reason they give is WMD's and dictatorship. When they didnt find WMD's they quoted saddams brutal rule to justify occupation. They showed images prison cells and stories of how prisoners were killed in saddams iraq and how people were tortured, now if the americans are also doing the same thing - torturing prisoners, bombing civilians, killing on slightest suspicion, and more importantly promoting pro-american government (saddam did all these) what exactly is the difference between Bush and Saddam?

In last month alone 1400 civilians were killed. Even during Saddams brutal regime so many people wouldnt have been killed in one month. No doubt saddam was brutal and had to be removed, but there are other ways for it. War may be justified, but after war killings of civilians are not justified. You just dotn bomb 100 people to kill one hiding terror suspect. Human Life is valuable, even if its not American.

[azazel]

sahi kaha MM bhai.. I second the above ^^^

[akhilis2cool]

MM bhai thats exactly wht the americans have been doing every where they go. they have fought more wars and killed more people than any other country in the last 50 years. they were the ones who helped the afghanis fight russians and later when osama bin laden struck they attacked afghanistan.



the most rediculous thing abt these wars is that they have all been fought in the name of peace. the real intention is something different.



abhi to shuruwaat hai US and UK will have a very tough time in Iraq in the coming months. Only the poor soldiers of those countries will suffer. what they did out there was, according to me, more out of frustration than hatred towards the iraqis.

[Prince]

I am no defender of the west, and abhor all these incidents too, but just to put things in perspective....



1) It is the 'racist, biased' western media that brought all this out, in spite of the fact that it would hurt their nations and their armies the most. And, in spite of requests from their governments. Somthing to be said for their values?



2) The concerned individuals need to be punished and the US govt. has taken action against them. Abuses do happen anywhere. The difference between civilised societies and others is whether corrective actions are taken.



3) Again, I am not justifying things. But spare a thought for the jawans, who need to be on extreme alert all the 24 hours of a day. They can't go home and forget about 'work'. The jawans see their comrades blown up and dying in their arms. Think of the days in college when you would get worked up because somebody from a rival college passed a silly comment.



Bottomline is this. Is any government/ militart using such practices as (even if undeclared) state policy?

If no, is it taking actions when abuses are brought to light?



If yes, then we shouldn't crib too much.

(I am not answering these questions in Iraq's case )

[azazel]

ppl, there's another article on this sad situation on rediff today:

http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/may/05iraq1.htm