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Problems FAced by a reformist in INdian Political System.

by Saradhi » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:00 am

I accept the fact that CBN’s policies and reforms haven’t gone to the gross level and to the common man to the extent they should go.



But let me describe the problems that Naidu has faced in implementing his programs.



Naidu has faced a number of problems and most of them have expectedly come from his own government employees (the bureaucrats). One of such program is APVAN. APVAN (Andhra Pradesh Value Added Network) was a unique project for Andhra Pradesh in more ways than one. The most obvious of that being the fact that it would have wired up the entire state and made government forms and procedures more accessible to the common person. Then, it would have also streamlined the government and made it more efficient.



Most of Naidu’s programs have asked for the government’s operations in becoming more transparent and to make the bureaucrats more accountable. Even his social programs like Janamabhoomi required the citizens holding the government accountable for policy and to audit its accounts. With the statewide network, everyone would have access to government information and be able to see how the bureaucrats were performing. With such a network, every minister’s files would become trackable by the public. Furthermore, APVAN would have made the filling out of forms and accomplishments of simple tasks such as obtaining a permit or paying utility bills extremely easy and hassle free.
    However, by having this online, the government employees (like the clerks and lower-grade bureaucrats) would lose out on the power that they had from having people to pay them and go through them. This is another fear that these employees have had. The employees on the lower scale have felt that they would be made redundant by the computers and have so mounted the political pressure to stop the project.

    Another reason for such major opposition has been the size of expenditure the state government would have to incur as a result of all these projects.

    Also, another peculiarity of Indian politics is for opposition parties to oppose the government on issues which it could gain popularity and to bring up popular opposition.


Finally, APVAN was to be designed and constructed by private firms, and those too non-Indian firms. This was an excellent innovation seeing that previously the government attempted to set up such projects themselves which led to delays and over-expenditure. APVAN would have been a great boon to the citizens of AP as their lives would have been made much easier and routine things would become just that, routine. They would also gain from a more efficient government and if that called for ridding of unnecessary employees, then that too was in the best benefit of the citizens. However, while the government labor union was very well organized and powerful, there was no common voice of the citizens. This meant that Naidu was forced to listen to the unions since there was no clear way to measure the collective opinion of the rest of the citizens. The unions had an organized special interest that Naidu could quantify in terms of the election and so had to ensure their support during elections. [color=red]So while the citizens that could have benefited from this project could greatly outnumber the union members, they were not aware of their benefits and were not able to voice their opinion.

[b]Hence, the conclusion can be drawn that to predict a policy maker’s actions, we cannot simply take sheer numbers into account but must also factor in things like the collective strength of the group and their accessibility to the policy maker.
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So the people’s opinions and feelings that are getting benefited by these programs are outclassed by some stupid arguments by the unions, state government employees and the bureaucrats and some negative minded people like ZC.

So I am not surprised by the extent of people’s unhappiness. If a well educated person like ZC can’t understand these long-term benefits, how a common man understands them?

People don’t need long-term benefits. They need only short-term benefits and more over, people’s expectations have doubled, they want instant development.

Development is always a systematic change and a step-by-step approach which needs some time. We have crossed only 3 steps of countless steps and we have a long long way to go.

Here the bottom line is it takes some time for a common man to understand and get the benefits of the work done by CBN. Until that time people always will be criticizing his policies.

But on the day people gets realized , they know the power and silent works of CBN.

Lets hope that day will come in the near future to remove all these rubbish arguments by people who can’t understand the actual benefits and the opportunistic unemployed politicians like KCR and the rubbish power-hungry parties like Congress and the constant power hungryman YSR now only dreams of becoming a CM. But he is having his own troubles from his own partymen like D.S.Srinivas, N.JanardhanaReddy, N.Bhaskara Rao and so on............

God only knows whther congress will come back to power or not, but already Congressmen are fighting among themselves and already 9 people were ready to become CMs and God can only save this state if this state goes to such men.



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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:20 am

    speak of anything other than IT related stuff.................isnt there anything u can talk of other than those related to IT.............what will u do :?: connect ur laptop and the pump will run and the water will flow for the irrigation of land :?: :roll: ................ok, they will connect the laptop and use the pump, wherez the electricity damn it...........farmers cant buy PCs...........talk of electricity, water supply.......suicides of cotton farmers...........boss, wake up..........everyone is not so damn rich like u in software.........janmabhoomi, bullshit............an officer earning 500Rs per day will go and help construct a project.....which a coolie does for 50 Rs a day.......... :roll: :shock: what a bull shit idea..........a state wide network, damn it, how many houses have PCs to get connected...........ha ha ha ha..........for people: roti, kapda, makan mangtha hain boss..........but Naidus slogan is.............PC, OS and Internet connection mangtha hain. :roll: :cry: :shock: .............someone said, India and Pakistan are both in gutter, the difference is India is looking at the sky while the Pakis are looking at the gutter..............i say, "yes, we are in gutter and are looking at the sky, but Naidu is making us believe, we are already in paradise"............APVAN............go to ur village and ask the farmers.........buy a PC and get connected........they will laugh ............. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .............how many kwh of electricity is added to the state......wrt the increase in demand......how much employment has been generated other than in software..................Naidu is talking of a pharma city near Vizag..........lets see what happens............
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    Re: Correction

    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:28 am

    Saradhi wrote:
    ZC wrote:
    Saradhi wrote:Did CBN came and asked the people to take liquor?
    Did CBN asked people ,take liquor only and then only I will give rice to you?

    You cant't avoid AIDS if you goto a girl having a Sex and perform sex with her and then cry that I got AIDS. It is your individual responsibility to avoid such circumstances.
    dont blame government and CBN for every Shit you do.
    damn it :x :evil: :twisted: :? :shock: :roll: :oops: :shock: :oops: :roll: :shock: :oops: :shock:


    What I meant here was:

    You cant't avoid AIDS if you goto a girl having AIDS and perform sex with her and then cry that I got AIDS. It is your individual responsibility to avoid such circumstances.
    dont blame government and CBN for every Shit you do
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    okay lets ask Naidu to open a Red Light area (just like he opened so many bars), he can say (u can support)............what did i (he) do..........if u dont want AIDS, dont visit prostitutes..........that way he can collect lot more taxes, like hez collecting taxes from liquor.......... :roll: :shock: :evil: :x :twisted: :? what an Idea :idea: :roll: Brilliant :roll: :roll: and we shall recommend that the Red Light area be in front of ur childs/siblings school :wink:
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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:36 am

    This is always a two-way sword, but Companies always knows that it is a two way benefit if they outsource the projects to INdia and Western governements also knows it.
    Only since this is the election year and US & UK governements will try to pretend that they are for their people and they try to decrease the outsourcing, but after everything is over and elections are over, outsourcing is going to increase more and more and more and more companies are going to come to India and especially to Hyderabad. Wait and See.

    i am asking, whatz the guarantee that these jobs wont go to Jaipur, Bhuvaneshwar, Mysore, Guwahati, Allahabad, Lucknow, Visakhapatnam, Coimbatore, Trivandrum, Cochin, Ahmedabad, Madurai etc etc etc from HYD................ :roll: :roll: :roll:



    thats why read this:



    to add somethig on "Why software is not the birth-right of the HYDies"



    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 597075.cms



    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 596552.cms





    and finally, i guess, ur afraid that, if u say out loud that software is bullshit and Naidu did nothing, u will loose ur dowry :wink: but here, on the boards, nobody knows u, so u can speak/type the truth what u feel :wink:
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    Re: Correction

    by CtrlAltDel » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:44 am

    ZC wrote:okay lets ask Naidu to open a Red Light area (just like he opened so many bars), he can say (u can support)............what did i (he) do..........if u dont want AIDS, dont visit prostitutes..........that way he can collect lot more taxes, like hez collecting taxes from liquor.....




    actually thats a good idea to prevent spread of AIDS but wud never work in a conservative society like ours.



    prostitution is illegal but people (incl. politicians) dont stop using their services. they exist even in conservative islamic countries like Pakistan n Dubai.



    the best way is to accept that they exist to cater to an existing demand, licence them, tax them and regulate their activities like health check up etc. it wud also largely prevent minors n hesitant women from being forced to enter the business. even harrassment by cops n thugs wud reduce to a certain extent.





    :D ...now let me hide before the shit hits the fan n i take flak from all...
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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:54 am

    and CtrlAltDel will show his kid............beta, dekho, aunty kho dekho......... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: on his way to school, coz the Red Light Area falls on the way, between the house and school................and then he will tell relatives..............maa in`tiki randy, daa`rilo............. 'randy'ni (prostitute) choosi vellandi :roll: :roll: :roll:
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    Re: Correction

    by Saradhi » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:56 am

    CtrlAltDel wrote:
    ZC wrote:okay lets ask Naidu to open a Red Light area (just like he opened so many bars), he can say (u can support)............what did i (he) do..........if u dont want AIDS, dont visit prostitutes..........that way he can collect lot more taxes, like hez collecting taxes from liquor.....


    actually thats a good idea to prevent spread of AIDS but wud never work in a conservative society like ours.

    prostitution is illegal but people (incl. politicians) dont stop using their services. they exist even in conservative islamic countries like Pakistan n Dubai.

    the best way is to accept that they exist to cater to an existing demand, licence them, tax them and regulate their activities like health check up etc. it wud also largely prevent minors n hesitant women from being forced to enter the business. even harrassment by cops n thugs wud reduce to a certain extent.


    :D ...now let me hide before the shit hits the fan n i take flak from all...




    NC is the gut who first goes there if Naidu gives licesnses to Red Light areas.

    Again he comes out of the red light area and again critisises CBN for allowing such red light areas. thats the mind set of the people.

    Only critisims are the order of the day for them.
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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:58 am

    saradhi.............u dont know what is meant by sarcasm :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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    by CtrlAltDel » Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:14 am

    ZC wrote:and CtrlAltDel will show his kid............beta, dekho, aunty kho dekho......... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: on his way to school, coz the Red Light Area falls on the way, between the house and school................and then he will tell relatives..............maa in`tiki randy, daa`rilo............. 'randy'ni (prostitute) choosi vellandi :roll: :roll: :roll:




    :lol:

    ZC bhai...we all have to learn one thing....our children wud learn abt "realities" (at least the "theory") much faster than we would. no one talked abt sex or prostitution when i was a kid, but nevertheless i learned abt them from friends, newspapers etc. my parents did not teach me how to flirt, but i found my own wife anyway.



    expect the next generation to be faster. it wud be foolish to imagine they wud grow up as innocent kids. i wont be surprised to see my son dating in high school. in college, if he wants to drink with friends, i cant prevent him, but i'd invite his friends to my home and ask them to drink, where i can regulate the quantity and safety levels.



    the more we try to cover up such unsavory realities, the more secretive they become when they learn abt these things...



    the best way is to teach them what is good and what is bad from among all the temptations available in the real world outside. the rest is upto them. as a parent, its better to be one in whom the kids can confide and ask their doubts (abt sex, alchohol, drugs, whatever) rather than find it from friends, movies or worse by real experience.
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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:15 am

    agreed :)
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    by Saradhi » Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:38 pm

    ZC wrote:speak of anything other than IT related stuff.................isnt there anything u can talk of other than those related to IT.............what will u do :?: connect ur laptop and the pump will run and the water will flow for the irrigation of land :?: :roll: ................ok, they will connect the laptop and use the pump, wherez the electricity damn it...........farmers cant buy PCs...........talk of electricity, water supply.......suicides of cotton farmers...........boss, wake up..........everyone is not so damn rich like u in software.........janmabhoomi, bullshit............an officer earning 500Rs per day will go and help construct a project.....which a coolie does for 50 Rs a day.......... :roll: :shock: what a bull shit idea..........a state wide network, damn it, how many houses have PCs to get connected...........ha ha ha ha..........for people: roti, kapda, makan mangtha hain boss..........but Naidus slogan is.............PC, OS and Internet connection mangtha hain. :roll: :cry: :shock: .............someone said, India and Pakistan are both in gutter, the difference is India is looking at the sky while the Pakis are looking at the gutter..............i say, "yes, we are in gutter and are looking at the sky, but Naidu is making us believe, we are already in paradise"............APVAN............go to ur village and ask the farmers.........buy a PC and get connected........they will laugh ............. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .............how many kwh of electricity is added to the state......wrt the increase in demand......how much employment has been generated other than in software..................Naidu is talking of a pharma city near Vizag..........lets see what happens............










    You don’t know the full meaning of Janamabhoomi and how the work is done and you talks here about the program. No officer is involved in the Janamabhoomi program mister. All coolis. I cant understand WHAT you mean by Rs.500/- and Rs.50/- here. People can’t change the negative mindset of the people like you.



    People need not have PCs to look into the state information. The idea was to have this system implemented at each Mandal Head Quarter to know the State's cultivation position and to know the government policies and how the farmers can get benefit out of it. Everything looks bullshit for you only.



    If you do not know the power of Computer, just be silent on it. Do you know the benefits of the persons getting in computerizing the government offices? Today people gets whatever certificates they want in minutes where as people used to spend their most of the times in getting a simple certificate. If you go to an E-Seva centre, you know the value of Computers and how the people are getting benefits from them. All bills can be paid at a single point thus decreases the time needed to spend to pay your bills are getting decreased from time to time.



    Ok. Let us talk of jobs in the sectors other than IT.



      Over 10 lakhs of Teachers were recruited per each year via DSC in the last 5 years. It is the first time after 10 years that DSC was conducted regularly. Another DSC was conducted yesterday for filling another 5Lakhs jobs. Remember that DSC was not conducted even in a single year during 1989-1993 when Congress was in power.

      Over 1 lakh nurses were recruited per year in primary health centers in the last 5 years.




    I think these two are enough for you. The two important sectors in a common man’s life. Education and health.





    If you want statistics of electricity produced in the last 4 years check http://aptranscorp.com/pact01.html



    Again note that the rains and the stocks of water in the reservoirs effects the formation of the electricity and we have no rains in the last 4 years continuously. But still APTRANSCO was able to sell power to other states. See http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2002/05/12/stories/2002051202000600.htm
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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:06 pm

    yes, u cant change me, and i cant change u..........from one of the posts here, Men cant be changed unless they are in diapers :D
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    by Saradhi » Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:54 pm

    ZC wrote:yes, u cant change me, and i cant change u..........from one of the posts here, Men cant be changed unless they are in diapers :D










    Let’s forget about all these things.

    You have your argument and I countered them in my style and gave all necessary information to convince you.



    You never answered my statistics about the jobs generated in the last 5 years.

    I know smart people will skip if they don’t like and always argue on the points which

    Still if you are not convinced, let’s stop this one today.



    The Economic Reforms in the world is entirely a different subject involving different scientific analysis namely J-Curve Analysis, Data Envelopment Approach (DEA) and regressions and always takes time to get these things in place.



    Including MCA, I did MBA (Finance) from Symbiosis Institute of management and I did some research as a part of a team and we submitted a paper on these Economics reforms and I tried to explain you by taking some of the parts of that research information.



    [b]Here is the Conclusion part of Our Thesis:

    India has initiated various reforms in the economy since the 1990s. These were undertaken in order to make the country more competitive and ready to face the global
    Challenges.

    In this paper we have examined the changes in competitiveness of Indian manufacturing firms - through increases in efficiency - over the period 1991 to 2003. The firm level efficiencies have been calculated using data from 27 industry groups and using the Data Envelopment Approach (DEA).

    Next, the significant factors affecting firm level efficiency have been identified by regressing efficiency on a number of possible explanatory variables. Regressions have been run for each year in the period 1991 to 2003 and the changes in the coefficients of explanatory variables have been analyzed to look for trends in these relationships.

    We find evidence of the positive impact of import liberalization on the efficiency of firms through import of capital goods and import of technology. Another policy that has been found to be successful has been the easing of foreign ownership norms of firms, as a part of a more market friendly industrial policy. These highlight the success of these policies in enhancing the competitiveness of Indian firms in the face of global competition. As a result of such increases in firm level competitiveness, the industrial sector is bound to be more resilient to competitive shocks that are an inherent aspect of globalization.[/b]






    So One thing I will tell you again is "It will take some time for the benefits of the reforms and changes that Naidu brought to reach the common man. Don't elevate the short term thinking. Don't support populist schemes.”



    You can’t expect a woman to give birth to a baby on the day after your first Night.

    It takes 9 months for her to go into different stages, sometime very painful, sometime very sweet pain and finally she will be very happy after seeing her baby even after having so many painful days.



    Economic reforms also would be passing these many painful steps, some difficult, some easier, some more difficult stages. We should be patient enough to get the best out of these reforms.



    This is a very dangerous and important period and if the reforms won't be continued now, our position in the world will be under threat as a fastly growing economy which can challenge most developed states.
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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:26 pm

    concluded :wink:
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    by CtrlAltDel » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:35 pm

    ZC wrote:concluded :wink:




    :shock: what..??? end of debate...????



    shall v continue this after the elections...?
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    by ZC » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:53 pm

    i am thinking 'y am i shouting at Naidu', me tired of bashing up Naidu so much.................it was fun though :wink: :D someother topic.......this has become stale now, atleast for me..........its been a month :!:
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    by Saradhi » Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:57 pm

    CtrlAltDel wrote:
    ZC wrote:concluded :wink:


    :shock: what..??? end of debate...????

    shall v continue this after the elections...?






    Reforms and Elections are not related.

    Reforms should be contiued irrespective of the party in the power and irrespective of the individuals.

    Thats what a smart and visionary politician should do.



    And thats what NDA govt did, continued and more over enhanced some of the policies of Pv.Narasihma Rao did and the results we are seeing today.
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    Destruction Politics

    by Saradhi » Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:12 pm

    ZC wrote:i am thinking 'y am i shouting at Naidu', me tired of bashing up Naidu so much.................it was fun though :wink: :D someother topic.......this has become stale now, atleast for me..........its been a month :!:




    Think positively and you know whats happening arround.

    As I said Reforms is a painful process and so many have given up in the middle.

    But if you are smart enough and wise enough to understand in depth of the process, you realises that in-depth long-run benefits out of that process.



    Sometimes, everything cant be compared and discussed in terms of statistics. The mind set and attitude of the people that has to be changed.

    The revolution has to come from the people to know whats happening arround them and thast what Naidu trying to create by exhibiting his policies and his achievements repeatedly and the people like you have turned his efforts in vain and started putting high slogans like "Naidu-stop blowing ur trumpet".



    For ex, CPI & CPM , the first today criticises the CBN's policies, but remember what they are doing in West Bengal & Kerala. Their CMs went to Europe Countries for Foreign Investments. That means if they follows the same policies, there is nothing wrong, but if others follows it is a crime.



    Thats what I started disussing in my posts. These are the destruction politics of 21st century of Indian politics. That means even if any one governing better than other still there is no security for his or party come back to power due to opportunity based politics. These politics are killing Indian growth.



    Also, another peculiarity of Indian politics is for opposition parties to oppose the government on issues which it could gain popularity and to bring up popular opposition.



    Opposition should be Constructive Opposition.
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    by BB » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:27 pm

    ZC do you want to know why Bangalore still leads the position as best Cosmopolitian city of Indian because Banglore has many few people like you who think abolishing liqour can solve social problems. If you want jobs comming to hyderabd alcohol and entertainment industry from the west should have a presence here. Do you know that many western contries have already had these bans and found out it is useless when we were still fighting about which caste is better. You know another reason why was liquor ban was abolished, it is because the crime rate increased. Peolpe started the illegal business of getting liqour to city and selling it. I would rather have my family member become a alcoholic than a criminal.
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    social organizations in telangana

    by BB » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:40 pm

    I agree with saradhi that there are not many social organizations in telangana. Why do you think there aren't any? I think if people helped each other better we would have had a better life and city. I think its because we telanganites think that we are always cheated and do not trust anyone else. We think that everything should be done by the government because they are supposed to do it. We do not realize that government can do nothing if people dont do anything. When time came for Janmabhoomi nobody cared and now they think they are being neglected. I also think dowry and caste should be abolished. I am a telanganite and I think Andhra people settled in hyd(especially the entrepruenal class) have atleast shown us that it is we who have to do work and change. If telangana gets divided god help it. I think people are very foolish. They are already divided on the name of religion and then caste and now they want to get divided on the name of regionality. I hate such peopele. I think people should believe in one think that only a deserving person should and eventually will get what he deserves.



    Any comments?
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    Re: social organizations in telangana

    by Saradhi » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:39 am

    BB wrote:I agree with saradhi that there are not many social organizations in telangana. Why do you think there aren't any? I think if people helped each other better we would have had a better life and city. I think its because we telanganites think that we are always cheated and do not trust anyone else. We think that everything should be done by the government because they are supposed to do it. We do not realize that government can do nothing if people dont do anything. When time came for Janmabhoomi nobody cared and now they think they are being neglected. I also think dowry and caste should be abolished. I am a telanganite and I think Andhra people settled in hyd(especially the entrepruenal class) have atleast shown us that it is we who have to do work and change. If telangana gets divided god help it. I think people are very foolish. They are already divided on the name of religion and then caste and now they want to get divided on the name of regionality. I hate such peopele. I think people should believe in one think that only a deserving person should and eventually will get what he deserves.

    Any comments?




    I don’t see any to name. If you can name some, I would be grateful to you.

    I agree the fact that Government is supposed to do the Development and it’s our right to demand it from Government.



    But Remember Constitution gave you the Fundamental rights and at the same time attributed a lot of Fundamental Responsibilities. We always talk about our rights and never think about our Responsibilities. That’s where the actual problem lies.



    Government is not the only one who should be responsible for the development of any area or any city. We as people of that city and region have some rights and at the same time have a lot of responsibilities to develop our own city or region.



    That where I referred Guntur NRIs as examples. Why only there are stories of Coastal NRIs contributing to their cities and why there are not many stories of NRIs from Telangana contributing to their region is not published and not heard.

    Are they not doing or we are not getting the NEWS of what they are doing? Something or the other. Something Wrong. Correct me if I ma wrong.



    Most of the NEWS and web sites related to Telangana and its NRIs always have stories of crying for their people and don’t have any Success NEWS of what they are doing to their region. Only thing they want is a separate state because their region is not developed.

    Bull Shit.



    If development can be achieved by only separating, better to separate this Country into smaller small states and destruct ourselves as Russia is doing today.



    As I said earlier in my post"

    For avoiding Telangana type future agitations, vote based politics and opportunity based politicians like KCR and parties like Congress, and it's alliances, central government should bifurcate bigger states in to smaller partitions for each state. If they create Telangana in future Karnataka, Tamilnadu can dominate AP in every aspect by getting more central funds, infrastructure, and foreign investment.



    At that time nobody cares either AP or Telangana due to less significance in Central government formation role and parties alliances. So best thing is dividing Karnataka (Mysore state), and Tamilnadu (now their agitation is weak due to lack of KCR type fanacists), Maharashtra (Vidarbha - only Congress prefers), West Bengal, even subdividing still big states like MP, Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Punjab, Kashmir (3 parts), Orissa can reduce future opportunity based politics.



    Sub dividing Southern states means loosing their remaining dominance in Indian politics to North Indian politicians, of course once Telangana forms (if it happens), then no way for AP or other small states, they have to demand for subdividing all big states. Then only smaller states can get equal justice in this country.



    Behind Telangana agitations there is clear backup of Karnataka, Tamilnadu's politicians like Deva Gowda, Karunanidhi, Yiko Gopalaswamy etc to KCR's TRS and clear ploy of these states for dividing AP for securing their future interests of their states either by foreign investment, Krishna water sharing or many things which can marginalize, destroy AP's growth, competition to these states."



    Becareful about this one.

    There is a lot of Conspiracy behind these movements and opportunistic jobless politicians like KCR went into that trap set by these leaders.
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    Re: social organizations in telangana

    by Saradhi » Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:22 am

    BB wrote:I agree with saradhi that there are not many social organizations in telangana. Why do you think there aren't any? I think if people helped each other better we would have had a better life and city. I think its because we telanganites think that we are always cheated and do not trust anyone else. We think that everything should be done by the government because they are supposed to do it. We do not realize that government can do nothing if people dont do anything. When time came for Janmabhoomi nobody cared and now they think they are being neglected. I also think dowry and caste should be abolished. I am a telanganite and I think Andhra people settled in hyd(especially the entrepruenal class) have atleast shown us that it is we who have to do work and change. If telangana gets divided god help it. I think people are very foolish. They are already divided on the name of religion and then caste and now they want to get divided on the name of regionality. I hate such peopele. I think people should believe in one think that only a deserving person should and eventually will get what he deserves.

    Any comments?






    You are absolutely right.

    That’s the actual difference in the people's thinking and main reason for the nondevelopment of some of the areas of Telangana.



    Do you think all the areas of Andhra were equally developed? Not at all, still there are some areas in Palnadu area in Guntur district, MArkapuram areas in Prakasam Districts, some parts of Nellore Districts.



    If you go to Markapuram, Donakonda area, all are granite stones only, no Cultivation. But people never cried that they don’t have means of Cultivation. Still people learned how to live and come out and get benefit from the resources they have and the result is that area is the best for Granite Industry today and developing fast... If you have the will to do and can work hard, you can make your region developed no matter what position it is in.



    Telangana people are always in the impression that they were cheated and their mind was set to the fact that only separate Telangana will be the solution to their problem and hence the problem continued.



    You are absolutely right.

    What’s the contribution of the Telangana People in the Janamabhoomi program and what’s the Contribution of the people in Andhra, especially in Coastal area?

    If you go into the deep details, you know the difference.



    Janamabhoomi required the participation of the citizens and Statistics says people got maximum benefit out of this program in the areas where there was more contribution from the people via their participation.



    You can’t just sit back in your home and spit on the road and then ask the Government to come and clean it.



    You need to create the mess created by you.
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    by BB » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:00 pm

    I asked my friend abt it and he says there are couple of social groups in hyd but not elsewhere in telangana. Another reason of backwardness of telangana is lack of education which is again a consequence of their negligience. I also came to know that in Andhra people give a lot of importance to education in lif. I meet people from telangana and andhra both and when you try understanding their psycology not many T People aspire high. I do not know the resean behind it. I think it is not a question of aspiring high but a question of self dependence. I think the government should start something where there is a lot of migration of people from T to A and from A to T (ofcourse there are a lot of A people in HYD). And such things will make people feel united and then we will see a lot of social change too. But this is ofcourse possible when policy makers are liberal people and just not development frenzy. I think CBN understands that because he attends a lot of conferences outside india. Even if you take the case of US there is a mass migration of people. But then people argue about regional and cultural identity. But I think those things are completely non-sense. Thinking logically greatness is not culture preservation but is in culture enhancement. I think we still need Raja Ram Mohan Roy!!! What do you guys think?
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    by Saradhi » Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:53 pm

    BB wrote:I asked my friend abt it and he says there are couple of social groups in hyd but not elsewhere in telangana. Another reason of backwardness of telangana is lack of education which is again a consequence of their negligience. I also came to know that in Andhra people give a lot of importance to education in lif. I meet people from telangana and andhra both and when you try understanding their psycology not many T People aspire high. I do not know the resean behind it. I think it is not a question of aspiring high but a question of self dependence. I think the government should start something where there is a lot of migration of people from T to A and from A to T (ofcourse there are a lot of A people in HYD). And such things will make people feel united and then we will see a lot of social change too. But this is ofcourse possible when policy makers are liberal people and just not development frenzy. I think CBN understands that because he attends a lot of conferences outside india. Even if you take the case of US there is a mass migration of people. But then people argue about regional and cultural identity. But I think those things are completely non-sense. Thinking logically greatness is not culture preservation but is in culture enhancement. I think we still need Raja Ram Mohan Roy!!! What do you guys think?




    Regarding the feelings of the Telagana people being ignored, I would like to make an important point here:





    The telangana people feel that they are backward comparing with andhra people. But one should not compare the development with british ruled andhra pradesh. The costal andhra was well developed by britishers and the telangana region was neglected by the nizam, who is not interested in development and who is interested in luxories.



    I feel that this region should be compared with the development of the parts of Karnataka, Maharashtra, which was also ruled by the Nizam. For example Nanded district. I feel that our telangana is far advanced after merging with andhra pradesh comparing with other two sects, which were merged with Karnataka, Maharashtra after Nizam’s Rule.



    But poor Telangana people doesn’t understand this and always opportunistic people like Chenna REddy and now KCR ready to take advantage of that large neglected feelings.



    Separate Telengana movement is absolutely a farce and a great gimmick of politicians .Past witnessed the greedyness of politicians ,now people should not get fooled to believe the cheating words of the ever-deceiving politicians.



    World has become so small and development depends upon ruler's commitment and dedication and not on breaking the boundaries.



    While Millions of indians are working in different countries and bringing lauerls to the mother land by being good and doing good ,dreaming united great India ,this short sighted , selfish politicians are trying to tear the great land with reasonless arguments.



    What India wants now is social workers and social responsibilty among all

    and not internal commotion and meaningless fights.
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