New Generation Politics

[Saradhi]

Politics is a game of not-so-glorious uncertainties. Only that would explain why Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N Chandrababu Naidu should be facing one of the toughest challenges of his political career. One would not think so if one went only by his massive Vijaybheri rally.



Its impact was so jaw-dropping that the Congress and the Telengana Rashtra Samithi rushed to join hands. Naidu hit back by calling the tie-up opportunistic, one between strange bedfellows who did not see eye to eye on statehood for Telengana. But then, opportunism is a standard weapon of electoral combat. It remains to be seen if Naidu's formula "Those who perform will win" holds out against a challenge spurred only by the desire to dethrone him.



The battle ahead does not seem to unnerve the man who likes being called CEO, Andhra Pradesh Inc. With an enviable political resumé, he knows he has a deserving claim to a third stint at AP's helm-and more. If there ever was a leader who changed the Indian politician's defining features, it is Naidu.



All great leaders, he once said, had "vision" in common and, "beyond that, they had a plan." His own vision was to put his relatively backward State on the path of fast-track development. His plan was to promote transparent governance, create both wealth and a knowledge-based society and make IT part of daily life.



At a time political management and populism preoccupied Chimanbhai Patel-type netas, the laptop-toting Naidu spoke of reforms and powerpoint presentations. In a trade where power struggles were the be-all and end-all, he strove to use power to build a technology-enabled interface between ruler and ruled. In a culture of red tape-induced administrative bottlenecks, he envisioned a State run according to the best of business practices.



While others talked politics, he talked e-governance and e-commerce, distance learning and telemedicine. His king-size dreams were beyond the ken of run-of-the-mill politicos: Turning Hyderabad into Hong Kong, AP into India's financial and cultural capital and India into an IT superpower.



Naidu set the benchmark for success. In popular perceptions, Hyderabad, as "Cyberabad", rivalled Bangalore as India's Silicon Valley. Microsoft's Bill Gates patted his back with a first R&D centre outside the US. The World Bank and MNCs listened when AP's CEO told them why they should invest in him.



Today, Naidu is India's role model CM, emulated by his counterparts elsewhere. When Narendra Modi first talked of unleashing Gujarat's potential or UP's Mayawati went abroad to attract funds, there is little doubt who inspired them. Naidu's detractors say he is a city-slicker, in whose developmental cartography rural Andhra has a hazy place.



This overlooks the fact of his visionary commitment to an enormous enterprise, subject to gestative pressures and resistance to change. His contribution, in less than a decade, to AP's transformation is beyond question. His refusal to allow disruptive forces to hobble its progress is evident in his tough line against naxalism.



The role he has played in national politics is equally laudatory. With the Lok Sabha numbers at his command, he could have tread the beaten track of opportunism. Yet, as a staunch NDA backer, he prioritised stability at the Centre to destabilising self-aggrandisement. With the guts to repudiate populism in AP and the politics of blackmail at the national level, Naidu is a breed apart. It is to be hoped that Andhra's voters have the ability to know a good thing when they see it.



Please understand that it will take some time for the benefits of the reforms and changes that Naidu brought to reach the common man. Don't elevate the short term thinking. Don't support populist schemes. Hope voters will see the difference between the short term (populist) promises (of other parties which may sound sweet now and hurt in the long run ) and long term vision of Naidu. If not what is going to happen is nothing new to either Andhra or India.



So No problem. What we reap is what we sow!.

[azazel]

now, here's a Naidu fan..

where is ZC

[ZC]

what r Naidus achievements in the last aprox 10 yrs ?

[Saradhi]

what r Naidus achievements in the last aprox 10 yrs ?

Tell me what he hasnt acheived.

Lets discuss.

[ZC]

he has achieved nothing.........can u show some statistics where he has achieved anything

[Saradhi]

he has achieved nothing.........can u show some statistics where he has achieved anything

I am not a statistician to come out with statistics.

Remember Statistics are like bikinis… what they reveal is suggestive, what they hide is essential!

I said my opinions refering to an article.



If you have contradictory views, Come out, Lets discuss point by point.

[Saradhi]

he has achieved nothing.........can u show some statistics where he has achieved anything

I am not a statistician to come out with statistics.

Remember Statistics are like bikinis… what they reveal is suggestive, what they hide is essential!



The revolution in some of the areas today be it Telecom, IT other industries in the Country are the results of some long run reforms started by Rajiv Gandhi govt, Continued by PV Narashim Rao govt and then from then the NDA government. So it took 15 years in the centre to get the things in order after start of the reforms. Still there are areas to be improved.



Reforms started only 4 years back in AP and it will take some time for the benefits of the reforms and changes that Naidu brought to reach the common man. Its a constant build-up. You cant develop a huge state like AP with different cultures, different regions, different levels of economy in one night.



I said my opinion by referring to an article in pioneer.

If you have contradictory views, Come out, Lets discuss point by point.

[ZC]

i came out in the board "Naidu-stop blowing ur trumpet" go thru and counter my arguments...........i dont have the energy to retype everything here..............

[Saradhi]

i came out in the board "Naidu-stop blowing ur trumpet" go thru and counter my arguments...........i dont have the energy to retype everything here..............

Give me the URL of that post, I"ll go thru them.

[Saradhi]

For avoiding Telangana type future agitations, vote based politics and opportunity based politicians like KCR and parties like Congress, and it's alliances, central government should bifurcate bigger states in to smaller partitions for each state. If they create Telangana in future Karnataka, Tamilnadu can dominate AP in every aspect by getting more central funds, infrastructure, foreign investment.



At that time nobody cares either AP or Telangana due to less significance in Central government formation role and parties alliances. So best thing is dividing Karnataka (Mysore state), and Tamilnadu (now their agitation is weak due to lack of KCR type fanacists), Maharashtra (Vidarbha - only Congress prefers), West Bengal, even subdividing still big states like MP, Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Punjab, Kashmir (3 parts), Orissa can reduce future opportunity based politics.



Sub dividing Southern states means loosing their remaining dominance in Indian politics to North Indian politicians, ofcourse once Telangana forms (if it happens), then noway for AP or other small states, they have to demand for subdividing all big states. Then only smaller states can get equal justice in this country.



Behind Telangana agitations there is clear backup of Karnataka, Tamilnadu's politicians like Deva Gowda, Karunanidhi, Yiko Gopalaswamy etc to KCR's TRS and clear ploy of these states for dividing AP for securing their future interests of their states either by foreign investment, Krishna water sharing or many things which can marginalise, destroy AP's growth, competition to these states.



The actual reason behind Telangana agitation is iron fist of Naidu's power, so all these political unemployed politicians like KCR and Parties like Congress made alliance only for dethrown Naidu from Power. They know that if they won't make alliance Naidu will comeback. This is the destruction politics of 21st century of Indian politics. That means even if any one governing better than other still there is no security for his or party come back to power due to opportunity based politics. These politics are killing Indian growth.

[ZC]

its just below there............... nway http://www.fullhyderabad.com/discussion ... hp?t=38530

[Saradhi]

i came out in the board "Naidu-stop blowing ur trumpet" go thru and counter my arguments...........i dont have the energy to retype everything here..............

I have gone thru the entire forum and here are my views :



1) You said "Y did Infosys go to Chennai and not HYD ?"



Every company will have its own policies and Narayana Murthy went to Chennai doesn’t mean that he don’t want to come to Hyderabad. Note that Infosys already have a center in Hyderabad.



2) you said "Good info man. thanks. Maharashtra, i guess shud also be ahead, bcoz of Mumbai and Pune. So, 1& 2.) Karnataka and Delhi+suburbs 3&4.) Tamil Nadu and Maharastra 5.) May be AP, may be not !! i am hearing abt Software in HYD atleast for the past 10 yrs !! and we still are abt 5th !!"



Good job done. We are hearing software for the last 10 years and note that in those 10 years, 3 years IT has faced crisis after sep11. Coming to other states, all other states Mumbai, Karnataka and TN have started IT related services and courses in the colleges even when we don’t know anything about Computers in Hyderabad. When did first batch of computer science branch in Engineering started in Bangalore and when did it started in AP? The same goes to MCA. MCA course started in AP just 8 years back where as Bangalore started IT education in late 1980s.

So that gap will always there. But we should be proud that the gap is narrowly decreasing.



You can’t just compare the things over a long period and say AP is 5th.

You should compare the figures over a small period and if you compare the IT exports in the last 5 years, Hyderabad has considerable growth when compared to other states. While other states are struggling to consolidate their position, Hyderabad is growing rapidly in terms of IT Exports.



3) You said "Microsoft came to HYD not bcoz of Naidu, but bcoz Rao Ramela(check spelling) is from REC Warangal !! and then Oracle followed with the news!! do u realize that most of the investment in AP is govt funded? and do u understand its implications in the long term? i guess companies come to HYD not bcoz of Naidu, but coz they have to distribute themselves geographically !! the same logic explains y companies will shift/ start to/in places like Vizag, Coimbatore, Mysore, Bhuvaneshwar etc etc........ if Naidu really has the ability to bring companies, y didnt he bring the auto manufacturers from malaysia and germany (he promised this long back). Thanks for calling me a cynic. God bless ur family ".



Even Rao Ramela brought MS to Hyderabad, it needs Govt assurance and that’s what CBN did. Without government assurance, MS won’t take any risk of moving its first development centre out of its head quarters. He gave a lot of presentations to Bill Gates and convinced that Hyderabad is capable of having MS centre. That assurance is more important. You might have seen 6 cases explained by Mayavi Morpheus in that post 1). Availability of skilled people 2) Cheap land to start company 3) Ease of starting a wholly owned subsiday 4) Availability of power and connectivity 5) Stability (no goonda mawwali threatening employees and no clashes) 6) Tax structure. These are what CBN created in Hyderabad. CBN has created a visionary document for the IT industry for the first time in AP history and his govt. policies are attracting more companies. Do you know CBN's office is open for any CEO of any company if they want to talk with him? He talks to them personally and convinces them that there are a lot of things that can be benefited if their company comes to Hyderabad. That’s what vision is all about.

Grow Up mister.



4)

You are saying always that every company is coming not because of Naidu, but because of natural resources Hyd have. If that’s the case, why the companies haven’t come when Congress was in power???? Where those natural resources have gone in 1960s and suddenly they came only because of Naidu???? Coming to natural resources, Bihar and UP has very rich natural resources. Politics made these states very poor. They are the biggest states in the country and last in the Development.



Having natural resources is not a big deal. But how do you present the facilities you have is very important that’s what calls a marketing strategy. It doesn’t matter how your product works or how many features that product have, but its very important to show ur product to the world and represent your product in the world so that everybody knows about it and that’s what CBN is doing. If you think it is for his own trumpet, nobody can help you.



5)

I tell you the biggest thing Naidu created, "Political stability".



In congress age, all time was spent to fight within them. The only thing a congress CM can thing in those ages was "How to protect his job and always spent some time with Delhi spending time with High Command to protect his Job". For the development of any region, political stability is the must. That’s what Naidu created. The role he has played in national politics is equally laudatory. With the Lok Sabha numbers at his command, he could have treaded the beaten track of opportunism. Yet, as a staunch NDA backer, he prioritized stability at the Centre to destabilizing self-aggrandizement. With the guts to repudiate populism in AP and the politics of blackmail at the national level, Naidu is a breed apart.



When IK Gujral became PM, there was a talk that CBN should be made PM, but he refused it and supported United Front Govt. It’s this Congress who has taken back their support to IK.Gujral government by saying that DMK ministers should be removed from the Govt because DMK is the cause for Rajiv's death. But the same Congress is going for Alliance with DMK in Tamil Nadu today only because they want power and there is no way to defend themselves against Bjp Led, CBN backed NDA.

That’s the thinking of Congress and that’s where CBN differs from other politicians.



Again I repeat The revolution in some of the areas today be it Telecom, IT other industries in the Country are the results of some long run reforms started by Rajiv Gandhi govt, Continued by PV Narashim Rao govt and then from then the NDA government. So it took 15 years in the centre to get the things in order after start of the reforms. Still there are areas to be improved.

Reforms started only 4 years back in AP and it will take some time for the benefits of the reforms and changes that Naidu brought to reach the common man. Its a constant build-up. You cant develop a huge state like AP with different cultures, different regions, different levels of economy in one night.

[CtrlAltDel]

save yr energy Saradhi. ZC seems to have made up his mind that Naidu has done nothing all these years.



if not for Naidu AP wud be as it was till late 90s: ranked between 20 - 25 on the development and investment scale, not in the Top 5 as of today.



this leap in rankings cud not have come if naidu was twiddling his thumbs 18 hours a day.



let me give an example of the company where i used to work at till recently:



the company is based abroad and had thought of opening a development center in India late in 1999. they were interested in bangalore, chennai and hyderabad, in that order. they sent emails to all the 3 state governments about their interest.



AP got back fastest in 3 days and invited a representative to visit hyderabad. once in hydbad, the senior govt officials took the rep around to show the infrastructure in cyber towers and in 15 days, an MoU was signed. the company opend for operation in early 2000.



this was the difference Naidu made. my company came not coz any manager was an andhrite but coz of the proactive government.



i did not reply to any of ZC's posts in the other forum since i did not bother to read thru reams of statistics. they bore me and i dont trust them.



look beyond statistics, talk to people who have set up businesses here and u'll know the truth.



as Saradhi asked what hapnd to all the natural resources and the telugu diaspora in USA all the years before Naidu. why no one evinced interest in coming to hyderabad?

[Saradhi]

:D

save yr energy Saradhi. ZC seems to have made up his mind that Naidu has done nothing all these years.

if not for Naidu AP wud be as it was till late 90s: ranked between 20 - 25 on the development and investment scale, not in the Top 5 as of today.

this leap in rankings cud not have come if naidu was twiddling his thumbs 18 hours a day.

let me give an example of the company where i used to work at till recently:

the company is based abroad and had thought of opening a development center in India late in 1999. they were interested in bangalore, chennai and hyderabad, in that order. they sent emails to all the 3 state governments about their interest.

AP got back fastest in 3 days and invited a representative to visit hyderabad. once in hydbad, the senior govt officials took the rep around to show the infrastructure in cyber towers and in 15 days, an MoU was signed. the company opend for operation in early 2000.

this was the difference Naidu made. my company came not coz any manager was an andhrite but coz of the proactive government.

i did not reply to any of ZC's posts in the other forum since i did not bother to read thru reams of statistics. they bore me and i dont trust them.

look beyond statistics, talk to people who have set up businesses here and u'll know the truth.

as Saradhi asked what hapnd to all the natural resources and the telugu diaspora in USA all the years before Naidu. why no one evinced interest in coming to hyderabad?

Thats what I said.

CBN's office is open for any CEO of any company if they want to talk with him? He talks to them personally and convinces them that there are a lot of things that can be benefited if their company comes to Hyderabad. That’s what vision is all about.





Yes, why investments havent come from USA NRIs all these days?

Because they havent trusted Congress governments.



Another thing is :

Let us talk about the development and the persons who should be responsible for the development.



Governement is not the only one who should be responsible for the development of any area or any city. We as people of that city and region have some rights and at the same time have a lot of responsibilities to develop our own city or region.



If you see Vijayawada, Guntur, Vijag and so on in the coastal districts, you see a lot of non-governmental organizations and private organizations who is contributing to the development of that region.



If you go to nellore where they got 7 Jr colleges out of 7 only one is gov college all other 6 are run by private trusts and donations.



Mangunta subba rami reddy, Narayana educational trust and so on. They gave land, buildings etc etc.. Gov is giving only salaries to lecturers. If you goto to Guntur, we have vignan, vikas, vidwan, Nagarjuna educational society and so on…



if you go to Vijayawada, you have Krishna veni, siddhrtha.





NRIs of Guntur have invested 200 crores in Guntur Medical college and Guntur Govt hospital and the result, it is one of the best colleges and Guntur govt. hospital is one of best in the state , even people from far places , even from Chennai are visiting it.



Name any such non-governamental organizations in telagana. You don’t have any to name. I know lot of rich people in telangana but they dont like to spend even 1% of their money for public. They just want to give 100s of crores dowry to their kids and having luxury homes and cars. They always say people are dying in telangana because of lack of food. I accept but it is happening every where in andhra because we don't have rains in last 3y. Why cant they spend atleast 50% of their money for poor people so that they will get food. They said they are fighting for them if they want to fight for them first they should take care of them by giving food not getting their votes and becoming ministers and earning crores and disappear from public life.



If all those people who today says we are for seperata telangana and cries for the farmers who died can spend atleast 1% of their money, the region wont be like this.



Sindhanthaalu, statements itharaluku cheppataaanikeeee.

Aaacharinchataaniki kaadu.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

U re right Ctrl bhai. I too felt the same, ZC has made up his mind. But I may be wrong , may be he is just trying to piss us off.

Anywya, ZC I made a lenghty post detailing what CBN or any other government did/ or do to improve investment in state (and I am only speaking abt BPI and ITES, not general development) and ended the post sayin that I will not post anymore in that topic, however it was lost before I posted!

My interest in this topic was rekindles with ctrl and saradhis posts.

I will give you one example from arun shourie's (or was it Shekar Gupta) article. When ISB was looking for a place to establish the business school, the team first went to Maharashtra where Bal Thackrey asked them how much reservaton will maharashtrians get in ISB. Then they went to Karnataka where the CM didnt give them appointment, then they went to Karunanidhi of Tn whose secrataries made sure that everyone of the 20 member delegation garland the CM. Finally they visited AP and CBN gave them a 45 min Powerpoint presentation why AP is an ideal location, the result is that we have ISb in Kondapur.

This is the type of attitude that attracts investment to AP, as it reflects the government policy. The very fact that AP's IT exports are to cross $ 1 bn (http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/200 ... 990700.htm) while facing stiff competition from Banglore and chennai (much more developed cities than Hyderabad and traditionally investing FDI) speaks volumes of the states effort in attracting FDI. Why else do you think CBN's 10 min meeting with bill gates goes on for one hr? (as reported in LA Times).

As saradhi put it, MNC's are ready to invest in India as a cost cutting measure, but if the government policy is not conducive for investment then why will they invest here?

More later

[ZC]

agreed that Naidu has brought ISB and brought in and helped 1% of the economically productive age group to get jobs. now tell me what else has he done, 99% of the remaining people are still there..........i previously mentioned before and am askin again......come out of the glass window panes of HYD, look outside, what has he done to the common man........for example, he has done this, increased liquor shops to 7500 from the previous 4000 http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/27/stories ... 371200.htm ISB and 2 lakh jobs is not everything..............how does it matter to a cotton farmer whther ISB is there or 2 lakh jobs are created in software ?? no one answered with statistics..........statistics, dude CtrlAlt Del..........they are what matter,if AP is progressing at the same rate as rest of India, then there isnt anything that Naidu need to blow his trumpet abt.......... u suggested that i talk to people in HYD............i suggest, talk to people elsewhere.........in the state and and outside software.........look at the state of engineering colleges he has created like mushrooms.............pathetic ..............and then i asked MM, whatz the quarantee that these jobs dont move elsewhere, u agreed with me that saying Teir I, Tier II, Tier III cities etc....................i assume u guys agree that the sofware jobs wont remain in HYD........and i still wonder y none of the guys are talking abt anything other than software.............MM:an electrical engineer and u CtrlAltDel......working in the industry.......u dont see outside it.......... every software guy, from IIT, NIT, BITS (all branches go to IT jobs leaving their discipline)...........most people from the other good engg colleges go to software.............and then people get confused abt what to do...........everyone thinks........oh, damn it, i being an IITian is working along side with an Osmania Univ guy............the JNTU guy thinks, damn it......he being a payment seat is working along side me in Infy or Wipro.............i being a CSE guy am working along side a civil engineer........the feeling sets in..........u plan an MS in US or .......people plan an MBA..............and these confused individuals......................sit together over a cup of tea, every day.......have nothing in their mind other than IIM and ISB............so, all u feel is that Naidu has done everything great.................isnt everything i just said abt the mindset of the people in software true so, all u guys can see is the window panes in HYD and dream abt making it to ISB.............so nothing else comes to ur mind................people say, i made up my mind that, Naidu did nothing.............may be, may be not...........i would say..........u guys whoever have talked ISB and Naidu bringing MS to HYD........would have some point in ur lifetime thought that "I will do an MBA" (y? the reason as i said above), and would have considered ISB................now, if u have the ability to come out of the mindset of a typical software guy..........can think anythig outside ur career path..........then u would understand y statistics on what Naidu has done would matter................

[ZC]

to add somethig on "Why software is not the birth-right of the HYDies"



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 597075.cms



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 596552.cms

[azazel]

OMG, now i know y apathy is such a simple solution

[Saradhi]

to add somethig on "Why software is not the birth-right of the HYDies"

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 597075.cms

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 596552.cms

What you want to say here?

We never said that the Software is bithright of HYderabad.

It is one of the areas where Hyderabad is growing.

[Saradhi]

agreed that Naidu has brought ISB and brought in and helped 1% of the economically productive age group to get jobs. now tell me what else has he done, 99% of the remaining people are still there..........i previously mentioned before and am askin again......come out of the glass window panes of HYD, look outside, what has he done to the common man........for example, he has done this, increased liquor shops to 7500 from the previous 4000 http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/27/stories ... 371200.htm ISB and 2 lakh jobs is not everything..............how does it matter to a cotton farmer whther ISB is there or 2 lakh jobs are created in software ?? no one answered with statistics..........statistics, dude CtrlAlt Del..........they are what matter,if AP is progressing at the same rate as rest of India, then there isnt anything that Naidu need to blow his trumpet abt.......... u suggested that i talk to people in HYD............i suggest, talk to people elsewhere.........in the state and and outside software.........look at the state of engineering colleges he has created like mushrooms.............pathetic ..............and then i asked MM, whatz the quarantee that these jobs dont move elsewhere, u agreed with me that saying Teir I, Tier II, Tier III cities etc....................i assume u guys agree that the sofware jobs wont remain in HYD........and i still wonder y none of the guys are talking abt anything other than software.............MM:an electrical engineer and u CtrlAltDel......working in the industry.......u dont see outside it.......... every software guy, from IIT, NIT, BITS (all branches go to IT jobs leaving their discipline)...........most people from the other good engg colleges go to software.............and then people get confused abt what to do...........everyone thinks........oh, damn it, i being an IITian is working along side with an Osmania Univ guy............the JNTU guy thinks, damn it......he being a payment seat is working along side me in Infy or Wipro.............i being a CSE guy am working along side a civil engineer........the feeling sets in..........u plan an MS in US or .......people plan an MBA..............and these confused individuals......................sit together over a cup of tea, every day.......have nothing in their mind other than IIM and ISB............so, all u feel is that Naidu has done everything great.................isnt everything i just said abt the mindset of the people in software true so, all u guys can see is the window panes in HYD and dream abt making it to ISB.............so nothing else comes to ur mind................people say, i made up my mind that, Naidu did nothing.............may be, may be not...........i would say..........u guys whoever have talked ISB and Naidu bringing MS to HYD........would have some point in ur lifetime thought that "I will do an MBA" (y? the reason as i said above), and would have considered ISB................now, if u have the ability to come out of the mindset of a typical software guy..........can think anythig outside ur career path..........then u would understand y statistics on what Naidu has done would matter................

The prohibition imposed by NTR was a financial disaster. Let me ask you a simple question. Did people stopped taking liquor when the prohibition was in place? The answer is Big No.



At the same time, they went to Yanamu and other places out of AP and drank liquor and came back to AP. People smuggled liquor from outside states and still people continued taking liquor. Who lost here? Government and the taxes on the liquor. Let me put a simple question here. Did the people stopped taking liquor when the prohibition was in place?



Andhra Pradesh remained dry for more than three years after NTR implemented the prohibition policy in 1994. Soon after CBN came to power, Naidu conducted a survey that found that prohibition had not stopped liquor supply, but merely accelerated demand for varying illicit products. And the result, people have lost lives due to these illicit products.



When Naidu's populist measures like subsidised power and cheap rice will leave the state exchequer poorer by Rs 24 billion and Rs 13 billion, the increased revenue from liquor sales is always balances the expenditure. Hope you are understanding the statistics here.



Do you think it is wise to continue the Prohibition by seeing those Statistics?

CBN is doing what a smart guy will do.



Moreover, it is the responsibility of the people to understand the implications of taking liquor. I know that taking liquor is dangerous to my health and hence I won’t take it. You won’t and can’t blame everything on the government.



Did CBN came and asked the people to take liquor?

Did CBN asked people ,take liquor only and then only I will give rice to you?



You cant't avoid AIDS if you goto a girl having a Sex and perform sex with her and then cry that I got AIDS. It is your individual responsibility to avoid such circumstances.

dont blame government and CBN for every Shit you do.

[Saradhi]

agreed that Naidu has brought ISB and brought in and helped 1% of the economically productive age group to get jobs. now tell me what else has he done, 99% of the remaining people are still there..........i previously mentioned before and am askin again......come out of the glass window panes of HYD, look outside, what has he done to the common man........for example, he has done this, increased liquor shops to 7500 from the previous 4000 http://www.hindu.com/2004/03/27/stories ... 371200.htm ISB and 2 lakh jobs is not everything..............how does it matter to a cotton farmer whther ISB is there or 2 lakh jobs are created in software ?? no one answered with statistics..........statistics, dude CtrlAlt Del..........they are what matter,if AP is progressing at the same rate as rest of India, then there isnt anything that Naidu need to blow his trumpet abt.......... u suggested that i talk to people in HYD............i suggest, talk to people elsewhere.........in the state and and outside software.........look at the state of engineering colleges he has created like mushrooms.............pathetic ..............and then i asked MM, whatz the quarantee that these jobs dont move elsewhere, u agreed with me that saying Teir I, Tier II, Tier III cities etc....................i assume u guys agree that the sofware jobs wont remain in HYD........and i still wonder y none of the guys are talking abt anything other than software.............MM:an electrical engineer and u CtrlAltDel......working in the industry.......u dont see outside it.......... every software guy, from IIT, NIT, BITS (all branches go to IT jobs leaving their discipline)...........most people from the other good engg colleges go to software.............and then people get confused abt what to do...........everyone thinks........oh, damn it, i being an IITian is working along side with an Osmania Univ guy............the JNTU guy thinks, damn it......he being a payment seat is working along side me in Infy or Wipro.............i being a CSE guy am working along side a civil engineer........the feeling sets in..........u plan an MS in US or .......people plan an MBA..............and these confused individuals......................sit together over a cup of tea, every day.......have nothing in their mind other than IIM and ISB............so, all u feel is that Naidu has done everything great.................isnt everything i just said abt the mindset of the people in software true so, all u guys can see is the window panes in HYD and dream abt making it to ISB.............so nothing else comes to ur mind................people say, i made up my mind that, Naidu did nothing.............may be, may be not...........i would say..........u guys whoever have talked ISB and Naidu bringing MS to HYD........would have some point in ur lifetime thought that "I will do an MBA" (y? the reason as i said above), and would have considered ISB................now, if u have the ability to come out of the mindset of a typical software guy..........can think anythig outside ur career path..........then u would understand y statistics on what Naidu has done would matter................

Dont make assumptions.

We never agreed that the sofware jobs wont remain in HYD.

As long as you have a pro-active governmnt like the present government in place , the companies remain in Hyderabad.

Do you think Companies are that fools to spoil their investements and infrastusture here in hyd?

[ZC]

Dont make assumptions.
We never agreed that the sofware jobs wont remain in HYD.
As long as you have a pro-active governmnt like the present government in place , the companies remain in Hyderabad.
Do you think Companies are that fools to spoil their investements and infrastusture here in hyd?

if jobs from US and Europe can move to India, what makes u think that they will remain in HYD............u mean the current Western govts are fit for nothing.......thats y they are loosing jobs ............and Naidu is very capable, so jobs wont leave HYD

When Naidu's populist measures like subsidised power and cheap rice will leave the state exchequer poorer by Rs 24 billion and Rs 13 billion, the increased revenue from liquor sales is always balances the expenditure. Hope you are understanding the statistics here

wah beta, wah...............desh ko tere jaise logon ka zjarrorath hain i pray God that one of ur familiy member doesnt become an alcoholic..............

[ZC]

Did CBN came and asked the people to take liquor?
Did CBN asked people ,take liquor only and then only I will give rice to you?
You cant't avoid AIDS if you goto a girl having a Sex and perform sex with her and then cry that I got AIDS. It is your individual responsibility to avoid such circumstances.
dont blame government and CBN for every Shit you do.

damn it

[Saradhi]

Did CBN came and asked the people to take liquor?
Did CBN asked people ,take liquor only and then only I will give rice to you?
You cant't avoid AIDS if you goto a girl having a Sex and perform sex with her and then cry that I got AIDS. It is your individual responsibility to avoid such circumstances.
dont blame government and CBN for every Shit you do.

damn it

What I meant here was:



You cant't avoid AIDS if you goto a girl having AIDS and perform sex with her and then cry that I got AIDS. It is your individual responsibility to avoid such circumstances.

dont blame government and CBN for every Shit you do.

[Saradhi]

Dont make assumptions.
We never agreed that the sofware jobs wont remain in HYD.
As long as you have a pro-active governmnt like the present government in place , the companies remain in Hyderabad.
Do you think Companies are that fools to spoil their investements and infrastusture here in hyd?

if jobs from US and Europe can move to India, what makes u think that they will remain in HYD............u mean the current Western govts are fit for nothing.......thats y they are loosing jobs ............and Naidu is very capable, so jobs wont leave HYD

This is always a two-way sword, but Companies always knows that it is a two way benefit if they outsource the projects to INdia and Western governements also knows it.
Only since this is the election year and US & UK governements will try to pretend that they are for their people and they try to decrease the outsourcing, but after everything is over and elections are over, outsourcing is going to increase more and more and more and more companies are going to come to India and especially to Hyderabad. Wait and See.

When Naidu's populist measures like subsidised power and cheap rice will leave the state exchequer poorer by Rs 24 billion and Rs 13 billion, the increased revenue from liquor sales is always balances the expenditure. Hope you are understanding the statistics here

wah beta, wah...............desh ko tere jaise logon ka zjarrorath hain i pray God that one of ur familiy member doesnt become an alcoholic..............

Dont Worry about me. Dont waste your time praying for me and critisizing CBN.

You have so many good things to do if you want to do.