Celluloid Geniuses 2 : Return of Bollywood

by **Jaszalcatraz** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:24 am

BAck after a short break.

In this board I would like people to talk about the resurgence of the Indian film industry lead by Ram Gopal Varma's Factory and more importantly the Multiplex Madness. It's a shame that such movies dont have as many patrons as they deserve while some bullshit-run-of-the-mill-multiple-word-title-sporting movie runs to packed houses and is considered for the Oscars.

Lets talk about the decent movies released in the recent past. First off (my favourite) Gangajal.

Ek Hasina Thi

Ab Tak Chappan

Chameli

Those are the ones that I saw. Any others that I missed?

by **azazel** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:50 am

dude, where is the resurgence?

as far as i know..Munnabhai MBBS is the only real hit movie of the year which was actually good!

the RGV Co. keeps comin out with good movies with different concepts, NO SONGS, good acting, first rate technical aspects, but still they r not perfect..but watchable..

Multiplexes have made life easier for these kinda movies..they have atleast some audience.. so, they can recover the cost even if they dun make it big! but this has also got its negatives..with total crap also being made n released which might also recover its money..

recent good releases..

Seen Chameli..was ok..KK wasnt suited for the role..

Ek Hasina Thi..again ok, spoiled in the second-half

Gangajal..missed it..

Ab Tak Chappan..Nana rox ..but it drags a lil' ..good over-all..

Khakee..good action movie..where have these disappeared???

but, have these movies done well u ask? not by Bollywood 'hit' standards..

n dumb family/romance movies with those ghisa-pita plots n song n dance n feel ooooooh -so-good ..in short garbage movies do surprisingly well!!

i think im gonna go puke...

by **CtrlAltDel** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:22 pm

I consider Ram Gopal Varma to be the saviour of Bollywood and all thats really "hatke" in it. May his tribe increase and may the tribe of Chopras, Johars and Barjatyas suffer a quick extinction.

His movies do not run well because majority of Indians are dumb, esp the ladies, want sentiments, emotions, songs on "choodiyan" and "chunariyaan", punjabi dialogs and songs, hero crying buckets of tears etc etc.

thank god for multiplexes...they enable the likes of Ramu, Nagesh Kukunoor etc to earn back their investments in just a week's run or so.

A good thing I admire about these people is that they do not offer roles to wimps like Sharukh Khan.

Even these Filmfare awards are highly biased and oriented towards Blockbusters rather than films or actors who deserve it. I stopped following indian movie awards when Karan Johar won best director award for KKHH beating Ram Gopal Varma for Satya....!!!!!!! or worse that year: Salman won Best Supporting Actor award for clowning in KKHH, beating Manoj Bajpai's Bhikhu Mhatre in Satya...!!!! Sacrilege....!!!!!!!

the list can go on but i have no patience for it....

by **Mona Lisa Smile** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:25 pm

Of course at least there is some coherence in the story lines of cinema dished out by the likes of RGV, Nagesh Kuknoor, Farhan Akthar et al.

Most of the Johars, Barjatyas, Chopras seem to give us the same old wine in a slightly different bottle ...you almost know what going to happen and wonder why you are sitting thru all that. More often it appears like an advertisement of the Western culture (KHNH, KKKG ,KKHH ) while trying to retain the Indianess ... juggling both and driving the audience to a full toss. They literally spoonfeed the audience with some we-have-nothing-better-to-do-so-we-sing-and-dance-then-get-married sequences.

Of the flicks this year Munnabhai is the closest any Bollywood film got to being called a comedy in the recent past. Ek Hasina Thi this was amazingly good in the first half but the same old "vengance" theme was a lil far fetched in the latter. IMO Maqbool was a pretty decent adaptation of the old Macbeth epic with the underworld backdrop. An array of good actors for star cast, screen play was good too.

Its surprising that so many ppl agree but still we have film makers making such crap ..... goes to show they are prolly trying to reach to the masses and in the end its prolly they who set the box office on fire. Sigh! Well Ctrl I dont think its just the women who make hits of these flicks ....with all that chunarriyan, bindiyan and all .... its the masses and the NRIs ... they have a hand in this too ....

I dont know how many would agree its not necessary for a good movie to get awards but then a movie (however mediocre) def'ly gets a lot of mileage from an award. Pity!

azazel : just curious what does your signature mean ?

by **Ramya** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:16 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:A good thing I admire about these people is that they do not offer roles to wimps like Sharukh Khan.

Couldn't have agreed any more with that,wonder why they call him a GREAT actor,all he does is cry boo hoooo
And talking about crap,the sickest movie I saw off late was Rudraksh(yeah ,I now understand how stupid a thing it was),but on the lighter side the movie was so dumb that we were actually laughing about it.
Munna bhai was the coolest movie I saw last year.Gangajal was good but wasn't that a bit cliched?

Mona Lisa Smile wrote:I dont think its just the women who make hits of these flicks ....with all that chunarriyan, bindiyan and all .... its the masses and the NRIs ... they have a hand in this too ....

Why does everybody seem to make movies only for the masses?It's rubbish,really all this masses stuff?Which 'mass' will ever like BOOM?(ok not talking about sex starved people!)

by **azazel** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:27 pm

Mona Lisa Smile wrote:azazel : just curious what does your signature mean ?

hehehe...

its a quote from Livri Luciferi aka The Book of Lucifer!

it means "Think not that I am come to pass peace in this Earth, I came not to pass peace but a sword"

there u go, Satan said so..

by **Spiff** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:04 am

Havn't seen any of the above mentioned movies ... therefore dont know if i'm qualified to say this ... but Nagesh Kukunoor's Teen Deewarein was the only movie that was worth watching that released last year. Esp. for us hydi's ... dont you think ?!

Ctrl..,

i dont think its so bad that Salmaan won instead of Bajpai and papa's boy Johar instead of grity Verma . i think it would be sacrilege if it were the other way round . they'd prolly feel insulted if they won. its just like how i'd be insulted to feature on the P3 of th local paper :lol:

.

besides these ppl have better things to look forward to... like how Teen Dewarein was picked to be screened at the Film festival in pakistan this year . these are the things that really MATTER.

by **Mona Lisa Smile** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:51 pm

Yeah like Aishwarya Rai making it to the jury at Cannes !! :shock:

by **Asli_Badmash** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:55 pm

Ab Tak Chappan - Nana Rocks... Good Movie..

Chameli - Nice movie...

Teen Deewarein - Awesome movie... I agree with "spiff". Great actors; nice storyline.

Rules - Kinda nice.. Brings up some of the parallel cultures (Gays in India) to the forefront. This movie has two men kissing(I think).. Is this the first movie to show that in India ? Censor board passed that ? Suhsma Swaraj where are you ? I have new found respect for pretty boy "Milind Soman". I think he was involved in the production team…I am watching him. The rule is Models get brains once they cross 35, isn’t he like 39.

Movies to avoid :

Rudraksh - Hated it.

Khaake - Didnt like it... I am loosing respect for Amitabh. How many more Amitabh debacles do we have to go through. This is trauma for people like me who grew up believing Amitabh was acting God.

fun2shhh - What a waste of time... I like Paresh Rawal. I saw hindi version of his play "Mee Nathuram Godse Boltoy". He is a good actor. But this movie is an insult to film goers.

by **Asli_badmash** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:58 pm

Mona Lisa Smile wrote:Yeah like Aishwarya Rai making it to the jury at Cannes !!

She making the jury of Cannes was a shock for me too... But lets give her some credit.. She dumped Salman. Ultimate mimbo (Man bIMBO).

by **CtrlAltDel** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:34 pm

Spiff wrote: i dont think its so bad that Salmaan won instead of Bajpai and papa's boy Johar instead of grity Verma . i think it would be sacrilege if it were the other way round . they'd prolly feel insulted if they won. its just like how i'd be insulted to feature on the P3 of th local paper .

thats a good way of putting it!

Mona Lisa Smile wrote:Yeah like Aishwarya Rai making it to the jury at Cannes

that spun my head too! add to that, her weird clothes...

Asli_Badmash wrote:Khaake - Didnt like it...

Sacrilege....Sacrilege....

its one of the best performances of Amithab in recent times. He perfectly played a decent but mediocre cop on the verge of retirement...and the movie was slick n well made too...except for the two unnecessary songs and Devgan's cliched villany (tho his performance was good)

one or two bloopers might've crept in, but it does not detract from the overall effect of the movie.

by **azazel** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:13 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:
Asli_Badmash wrote:Khaake - Didnt like it...

Sacrilege....Sacrilege....
its one of the best performances of Amithab in recent times. He perfectly played a decent but mediocre cop on the verge of retirement...and the movie was slick n well made too...except for the two unnecessary songs and Devgan's cliched villany (tho his performance was good)

one or two bloopers might've crept in, but it does not detract from the overall effect of the movie.

Khakee was a decent action movie man...

unlike the stupidly made matrix-inspired slow motion wire-fight shit!

good performances , story-line, twists n turns... unnecessary songs yea but wasnt Lara Dutta H O T???

IMHO, it was Akshay Kumar who was the best among the cast, also im beginning to respect Atul Kulkarni more n more as i see him act..

bloopers r always there.. neway, got my money's worth

by **Ramya** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:59 pm

Ash Rai going to Cannes is dumb alright,much dumber than Devdas being sent to represent India at the Oscars?That was one movie which was SICK!That female doen't do the smiling and crying act properly,forget acting,she was one reason why I didnot see Khakee.

But I guess Raj Kumar Santoshi does make decent movies,if not great.I liked the legend of Bhagat Singh(Ajay Devgan) and Pukar was good too.

by **azazel** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:16 pm

Ramya wrote:Ash Rai going to Cannes is dumb alright,much dumber than Devdas being sent to represent India at the Oscars?That was one movie which was SICK!That female doen't do the smiling and crying act properly,forget acting,she was one reason why I didnot see Khakee.
But I guess Raj Kumar Santoshi does make decent movies,if not great.I liked the legend of Bhagat Singh(Ajay Devgan) and Pukar was good too.

yea, Ash is just a pretty face..but now, even that is almost gone..

the best actress on the circuit as of now n over the last few years has been Tabu..also RKS is one of the better brains in bollywood..

u didnt mention Andaz Apna Apna..one of the best comedies ive seen.. also Ghayal, Damini??

Cheers!

by **Ramya** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:03 pm

Good to see the Hydi Tabu anyway.

It's kind of sad to see this amount of hypocrisy in the film industry isn't it?What was really strange was all the actors flocking to the wedding of that Sahara Subhrato Roy's marriage.Don't these people have some kind of self-esteem or what?

by **azazel** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:29 pm

Self-esteem often takes a backseat to $$$

just take a look at the 'start-of-the-masses', mr.SRK..

he's the biggest of em all..

its one thing to get invited for somethin but for these ppl its always how much they get paid for it that counts, but there r always exceptions..

by **Ramya** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:27 pm

azazel wrote:but there r always exceptions..

Execptions,

who's that?Everybody from the bigB to the I don't know who of Bollywood where 'naaching' in Lucknow.Sadly RKSantoshi was filming the video for the shaadi(Disgusting) :evil:

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:47 pm

My two cents:

I dont think there is anything wrong in attending the twin marriages of subroto roy's sons. Yes, he is a billionare and is friends with most if not all the bollywood stars. Subroto roy flies most of the bollywood stars and politicians to different countries in his person B707. He even flew the bollywood contingent to South Africa for World cup finals. So whats the problem if the stars attend his sons marriage?

Thats the view an ordinary person like me will have if the inside stories are not know. If you guys are thinking that subroto roy has paid all the bollywood stars to attend the marriages, then you are wrong. The kind of money needed to get all the stars gyrate at marriages will make any billionare a bhikari. Rumour is that Sahara Parivar is the front for the black money earned by all the politicians, underworld and stars. If you guys remember, SP has announced a $10 Billion(?) plan to build sahara town ships across country. The net-worth of Reliance/TATA companies is not worth that much, so wonder how Sahara is gettin the money as they dont have a solid industrial base like TATA's or Reliance.

Now you guys know why bollywood descended in Lucknow for marriage.

by **azazel** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:41 am

interesting point uve put forth buddy..

it might've sounded like it but i never believed that the actors/actresses got paid to attend the twin weddings..

its just that they'll do anything for a lil' hard currency these days..

whats the deal with the rumour part? whaddaya think?

could be possible..never know :!:

by **Jaszalcatraz** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:03 am

Le Bump.

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:33 am

Seen Ab tak chappan last week. Its one of the best Hindi movies I have seen in recent times. But one complainant, they shouldnt have shown the body after feroz escapes.

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