It is a very powerful movie. Inspite of my not knowing much about Christianity and not growing up loving the Christ (as I did, loving and adoring Lord Krishna, Lord Rama and Lord Shiva.. etc), I felt a warm, loving feeling towards Jesus and I could watch the entire movie with a thought: he took all that suffering for the sins of people around.
It is certainly voilent, but then, it is a fact, I guess (just as the suffering of all our beloved freedom fighters' is. I could co-relate to this suffering, of our times)
The suffering of Christ through voilence in this movie gave me the feeling of not ever wanting to sin, if I ever knowingly sinned !.. even if it is not on one of our Gods that it has been portrayed upon .
Moreover, James Caviezal (hope I got the name right) looks such a beauitful Christ..
He lived the character.
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Re: Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ
a hindu wrote:It is a very powerful movie. Inspite of my not knowing much about Christianity and not growing up loving the Christ (as I did, loving and adoring Lord Krishna, Lord Rama and Lord Shiva.. etc), I felt a warm, loving feeling towards Jesus and I could watch the entire movie with a thought: he took all that suffering for the sins of people around.
What the hell are you talking about. Like he had a choice. He was going about his life hoping to give the message of god and people just distorted the truth. Cant you see it, the message is rigged to work on your guilt conscience, its like this, You have a bigger than life, son fo god person and if you sin, he gets punished. Understand... No... OK... let me explain in layman terms. Imagine there is this cute looking panda bear minding it own buisness and doing its thing, and everytime you sin, some one crucifies the panda. There is Blood and suffering and panda is crying, you get to see this everytime. I am sure you will stop sin-ing. I would.
What kind of a message is this ? Somebody died for my sins, so I should not sin. Weak as it is. It does not stop me from sinning. He is already dead... gone and over. The panda bear crucification philosophy works better. So everytime someone sins, we crucify a panda bear for his/her sins. I am sure the world would be a better place. Who wants to join me in this new religion ?
Can you see it now. That is why the Crucification is such a big deal in Christianity. Not that I oppose it, but I dont approve of any message trying to hoodwink people. Give the truth and people will follow it. Dont try to make religion work on guilt conscience.
a hindu wrote:It is certainly voilent, but then, it is a fact, I guess (just as the suffering of all our beloved freedom fighters' is. I could co-relate to this suffering, of our times)
The suffering of Christ through voilence in this movie gave me the feeling of not ever wanting to sin, if I ever knowingly sinned !.. even if it is not on one of our Gods that it has been portrayed upon .
"NOT ONE OF OUR GODS!!!" Did you buy your god in the market? So it became yours.
For your kind information, It is not your god or my god, it is everybody's god. Everybody reaches the supreme. No matter who they bow to or what they beleive. Read Geetha!The movie sucked anyway!
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Chilled out..
This is a case of misplaced agression. I am fine now.
But the Movie was bad! Lots of hoopla about nothing.
~Badmash~
But the Movie was bad! Lots of hoopla about nothing.
~Badmash~
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Re: Chilled out..
Asli_badmash wrote: I am fine now.
But the Movie was bad! Lots of hoopla about nothing.
aaah..nice..1st bit
2nd bit, i dunno if its as bad as u make it sound but it made me curious enuff to watch it once..
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I dunno about the movie, but I would like to respond to AB's critique of the religion. I am not a Christian, and i dont think I need to be one to post this.
It is a figurative speech to say that he died for 'our' sins. He died coz ppl of his time sinned and betrayed against him, which is not very different from the kind of sins that we ourselves do today. Hence, the expression 'he died for our sins'.
Our freedom fighters gave their lives because the people before them were not united and betrayed each other. The outsiders exploited this disunity and took over the country. The freedom fighters thereby gave their lives for the sins committed by those people who lacked vision and sold the country to foreigners for personal gains. We have such sinners even today (ppl selling pesticide-ridden mnc colas, ne1? or those that pushed thru the unfair and one-sided Enron deal?), and if only they had thought for a second about the sacrifices made by our freedom fighters, they would probably not have been doing their misdeeds.
The logic is quite simple. I dont think there is blackmailing or hoodwinking involved. It's just a matter of 'learning from past mistakes'.
It is a figurative speech to say that he died for 'our' sins. He died coz ppl of his time sinned and betrayed against him, which is not very different from the kind of sins that we ourselves do today. Hence, the expression 'he died for our sins'.
Our freedom fighters gave their lives because the people before them were not united and betrayed each other. The outsiders exploited this disunity and took over the country. The freedom fighters thereby gave their lives for the sins committed by those people who lacked vision and sold the country to foreigners for personal gains. We have such sinners even today (ppl selling pesticide-ridden mnc colas, ne1? or those that pushed thru the unfair and one-sided Enron deal?), and if only they had thought for a second about the sacrifices made by our freedom fighters, they would probably not have been doing their misdeeds.
The logic is quite simple. I dont think there is blackmailing or hoodwinking involved. It's just a matter of 'learning from past mistakes'.
Life is what happens to you when you are busy making other plans - John Lennon
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Agnostic...
JustaLittleUnwell wrote:I dunno about the movie, but I would like to respond to AB's critique of the religion. I am not a Christian, and i dont think I need to be one to post this.
It is a figurative speech to say that he died for 'our' sins. He died coz ppl of his time sinned and betrayed against him, which is not very different from the kind of sins that we ourselves do today. Hence, the expression 'he died for our sins'.
I am an agnostic; I am not against any religion; maybe my words suggest otherwise. I do understand the metaphorical message, but I just don’t understand the tangible part of it. What should motivate a layman, who toils for his daily bread to desist from making that extra buck by selling his soul to the devil(figuratively)!. What should stop the poor guy from making that extra rupee to put some more food on his child’s plate? The motivation for the need (food on a child’s plate) far out weighs the morality of an action. How do we convey to these people that it is wrong to take what is not rightfully theirs. What are the rules?
To an extent religion defines these rules. I say to an extent because most religions don’t evolve with time, the message a religion propagates was good for a time when it was made, but times change, people change and the message’s should also change. The stagnation of the message is what frustrates me.
Also, once we adopt a certain religion or are born into one (without choice), we come under the influence of the pimps of religion; The Mullahs, pundits and the padres. People who distort the message for their own good! People who divide people on basis of religion to rule them! This is not why the religion was made! Maybe we don’t need religion now in this time to avoid the negative message of pimps associated with it. It looks like it’s like a package deal, want the religion take the pimps (dalals). Or we need a religion with no pimps.
I am no saint, I know I sin, and I sure don’t have a holier than thou attitude, which is the trade mark of these so called pimps of the religion. I try to be as honest as possible. I certainly dont claim that I know everything.
JustaLittleUnwell wrote:The logic is quite simple. I dont think there is blackmailing or hoodwinking involved. It's just a matter of 'learning from past mistakes'.
We don’t learn from our past because there are no direct consequences of it. Everyone gets away committing a crime or doing the wrong thing. The little people(Rickshaw-walla) do little crimes and big people(laloo bihari) do bigger crimes. And when you try to tell people otherwise, they look at you as if you are a moron, they ask you to mind your own buisness.
~Badmash~
PS:
What Is an agnostic? Accroding to Burtrand Russell
---- An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time.
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AB, probably I was mistaken in judging your post as 'unfairly anti-Christian' coz it sounded so. And I took the trouble of responding coz of this sound of 'unfairness' (of trashing a religion based on misinterpretation). Thanks for clarifying that you are not against any religion. Now, to your questions:
Not sure how this is connected to this topic, but different things work for different people. Every religion has its way of ensuring that people don't sin. The faithful do adhere to the diktats and remain innocent. The not-so-faithful (or just outwardly faithful) tend to extend beyond their brief and commit those sins because they are not really worried about the consequences. In many cases, education helps in bringing about a sense of fairness - especially to people who do not believe in the concept of God, but do believe in being fair to everyone.
I wouldn't go to the extent of calling these people 'pimps'. I think they do a good job of bringing religion and God to the masses. They go through years of study before achieving their status - let's face it, these are learned people, just like we ourselves are, in our respective professions. I do listen to discourses at times (thanks to the channel-a-minute surfing capability offered by 'la télévision' - dumb and definitely female ;) ) and i've not really come across messages of hatred. They mostly talk of the importance of fearing God, refraining from sins, ways to handle problems / setbacks in life and so on. Agreed, there are some who can be accused of child abuse, fanning terrorism / casteism / communalism and so on. That way there are bad apples among every set of professionals that you can think of - doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers........ why dont we trash all these professionals?
If you happen to visit Golconda or other such places, you'll be approached by many 'guides' who'll offer to show you around for a fee. I've never taken their help, but i'm sure they'll be able to provide a lot more insight about the place, its history, related stories and so on. It's upto you to decide whether you want to take their help or not. Nobody is forcing them on to you - though these guides can be very persuasive at times :). The same holds good for religion too - u can experience it with or without a 'guide' and the choice is yours.
I find this a tad too pessimistic. I do think history has taught us many lessons and we have learnt them, sometimes the hard way. Some examples: we havent seen another nuclear bomb used after 1945, imperialism has almost dissappeared but for small pockets, so have slavery, racism, oppression by state etc. All these still exist, but not of the magnitudes as they used to in the past.
Religion too uses this 'case studies' approach to teach people what is right and wrong - and i find it perfectly logical.
What should motivate a layman, who toils for his daily bread to desist from making that extra buck by selling his soul to the devil(figuratively)!. What should stop the poor guy from making that extra rupee to put some more food on his child’s plate?
Not sure how this is connected to this topic, but different things work for different people. Every religion has its way of ensuring that people don't sin. The faithful do adhere to the diktats and remain innocent. The not-so-faithful (or just outwardly faithful) tend to extend beyond their brief and commit those sins because they are not really worried about the consequences. In many cases, education helps in bringing about a sense of fairness - especially to people who do not believe in the concept of God, but do believe in being fair to everyone.
Also, once we adopt a certain religion or are born into one (without choice), we come under the influence of the pimps of religion; The Mullahs, pundits and the padres. People who distort the message for their own good! People who divide people on basis of religion to rule them! This is not why the religion was made! Maybe we don’t need religion now in this time to avoid the negative message of pimps associated with it. It looks like it’s like a package deal, want the religion take the pimps (dalals). Or we need a religion with no pimps.
I wouldn't go to the extent of calling these people 'pimps'. I think they do a good job of bringing religion and God to the masses. They go through years of study before achieving their status - let's face it, these are learned people, just like we ourselves are, in our respective professions. I do listen to discourses at times (thanks to the channel-a-minute surfing capability offered by 'la télévision' - dumb and definitely female ;) ) and i've not really come across messages of hatred. They mostly talk of the importance of fearing God, refraining from sins, ways to handle problems / setbacks in life and so on. Agreed, there are some who can be accused of child abuse, fanning terrorism / casteism / communalism and so on. That way there are bad apples among every set of professionals that you can think of - doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers........ why dont we trash all these professionals?
If you happen to visit Golconda or other such places, you'll be approached by many 'guides' who'll offer to show you around for a fee. I've never taken their help, but i'm sure they'll be able to provide a lot more insight about the place, its history, related stories and so on. It's upto you to decide whether you want to take their help or not. Nobody is forcing them on to you - though these guides can be very persuasive at times :). The same holds good for religion too - u can experience it with or without a 'guide' and the choice is yours.
We don’t learn from our past because there are no direct consequences of it. Everyone gets away committing a crime or doing the wrong thing.
I find this a tad too pessimistic. I do think history has taught us many lessons and we have learnt them, sometimes the hard way. Some examples: we havent seen another nuclear bomb used after 1945, imperialism has almost dissappeared but for small pockets, so have slavery, racism, oppression by state etc. All these still exist, but not of the magnitudes as they used to in the past.
Religion too uses this 'case studies' approach to teach people what is right and wrong - and i find it perfectly logical.
Life is what happens to you when you are busy making other plans - John Lennon
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Passion of Christ was discussed sometime back here by some of us, lest some of you missed it.
my contribution to the review : it moved me into tears and I 'almost' decided that I will never ever sin again !
Seriously.
My association with Christianity and Christ would obviously be less since I am a Hindu, yet, it moved me into believing that much more about God (maybe God is my God ) and that He s there for us, all of us.
my contribution to the review : it moved me into tears and I 'almost' decided that I will never ever sin again !
Seriously.
My association with Christianity and Christ would obviously be less since I am a Hindu, yet, it moved me into believing that much more about God (maybe God is my God ) and that He s there for us, all of us.
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...Oh Boy! its just a movie yaar...dont take it too seriously. u remind me of my aunts who are moved to tears by the 'K' soaps on TV....the Hindu wrote:it moved me into tears and I 'almost' decided that I will never ever sin again ! Seriously. My association with Christianity and Christ would obviously be less since I am a Hindu, yet, it moved me into believing that much more about God (maybe God is my God ) and that He s there for us, all of us.
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CtrlAltDel wrote:Oh Boy! its just a movie yaar...dont take it too seriously. u remind me of my aunts who are moved to tears by the 'K' soaps on TV....
C A D bhaai, anythin ever moved U? any movie or scene thats had ne sort of impact
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CtrlAltDel wrote:...Oh Boy! its just a movie yaar...dont take it too seriously. u remind me of my aunts who are moved to tears by the 'K' soaps on TV....the Hindu wrote:it moved me into tears and I 'almost' decided that I will never ever sin again ! Seriously. My association with Christianity and Christ would obviously be less since I am a Hindu, yet, it moved me into believing that much more about God (maybe God is my God ) and that He s there for us, all of us.
Oh, well, may be I AM your aunt ?
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ya...Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham moved me to tears...azazel wrote:C A D bhaai, anythin ever moved U? any movie or scene thats had ne sort of impact
and changed my outlook on life - i became a hardcore Karan Johar-Shahrukh hater-
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CtrlAltDel wrote:ya...Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham moved me to tears...azazel wrote:C A D bhaai, anythin ever moved U? any movie or scene thats had ne sort of impact
Yeh Kuch Kuch Hota HAi.....dekhke bahut logon ke pet mein bahut kuch ho gaya.
i dont know how people managed to like the movie.
People are crazy, at times are strange. I am locked-in tight, I am out of range.
I used to care, but things have changed.
I used to care, but things have changed.
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this isThoda out of context but interesting
y`day as i was browsing thru the TV channels i went past Star tv. the serial was des mein nikla hoga chaand. it is based in england. there is a court scene in which every body is speaking in hindi....even the people watching the proceedings are indians.......that was the most rediculous scene in the history of indian TV. but people watch it......hey bhagwaaan
y`day as i was browsing thru the TV channels i went past Star tv. the serial was des mein nikla hoga chaand. it is based in england. there is a court scene in which every body is speaking in hindi....even the people watching the proceedings are indians.......that was the most rediculous scene in the history of indian TV. but people watch it......hey bhagwaaan
People are crazy, at times are strange. I am locked-in tight, I am out of range.
I used to care, but things have changed.
I used to care, but things have changed.
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akhilis2cool wrote:this isThoda out of context but interesting
y`day as i was browsing thru the TV channels i went past Star tv. the serial was des mein nikla hoga chaand. it is based in england. there is a court scene in which every body is speaking in hindi....even the people watching the proceedings are indians.......that was the most rediculous scene in the history of indian TV. but people watch it......hey bhagwaaan
very much in context with DB history..
like my brother sez, Dimaag switch-off karke dekho
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azazel wrote: Dimaag switch-off karke dekho
even better .....dekho hi mat
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CtrlAltDel wrote:what did he say/do?
this is what he said abt what he does :
I find the TV set very educating. Whenever someone switches it on, I go into the other room n read a book
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CtrlAltDel wrote:ya...Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham moved me to tears...azazel wrote:C A D bhaai, anythin ever moved U? any movie or scene thats had ne sort of impact
Hmmm Have u seen ACO yet? Pls Dont get inspired by dat CAD bhai
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well what little i saw of ACO was definitely inspiring...Johnny wrote:Hmmm Have u seen ACO yet? Pls Dont get inspired by dat CAD bhai
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