Are IITians hyped out of proportion???

[coolnut]

Looks like all of you are KIDS who are still studying and dont know what work life is all about and what working in groupsd and projects mean..or the guyz who support the products are old lumps who are from these institutes who want toi get solace that they are from IIT so that people can look up to themm.....Ive seen many of them and work with a lot of them...they make ver very bad team members ...anyway \\kids will remain kids....|I think these guy zthink the world revloves around IIT,IIM,AIIMS,thats it....thats why our counrty has not succedded much and hasnt become a developed country..IGNORANCE is BLISS and enjoy ur bliss...untill u wake up to realities..

[Johnny]

I can see only 2 reasons for u commenting in such a way...
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<br>1) U r actually in such a group where the iitian is really not a team worker..( a possibility.. i dont deny it.. but a rare one )
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<br>2) U cant stand the extra competence the iitian shows.., rather u r jealous, feel inferior and make remarks like u made in ur post just make ur ego satisfied and be happy in ur illusions..( the most probable reason )
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<br>anyways PEACE OUT
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[coolnut]

yor answer shows what a KID u are when therez team work...therez no inferior or superior which ofcourse are not taught to u at IIT all that is thought is how to look reshurshay.....thats it....how to stand out....but thats not team work GROW UP KIDDo

[v]

clearly shows u guyz still live in the ARCANE system of JEEs and individual work..I guess u guyz wud wake up when u go to the USA..

[c]

BTW DILBERT was a spoof on IITians..fki

[Johnny]

Look whos talking... lol about team work and what constitutes it.. ha ha ha good to see some anti iitians on the board.. and mr cool NUT u really seem to be a NUT, how do u think u know whats taught in IIT and wats not.. have u ever been there..? dont comment in general just by being with some iitians who pissed u off, and made u realise that u r not contributing anything to the team, hence u r a piece of crap...( )
<br>Only in the above stated case u can make such baseless comments about all iitians in general to relase ur frustration... and beahve like a KIDDO and ironically callin other as KIDS, just to escape from the truth.
<br>anyways.. comments of pppl like u wont ever detter iitians to do wat they r and have been doin.... get ur facts right mr NUT, most of the great entrepreneurs and leaders and CEO\'s of the silicon valley have been iitians..
<br>ok mr. NUT (read KID in disguise), see ya.. flames expected frm u... waiting for them.. ahhh man dont i love them..lol
<br>:) ( they give me my dose of laugh)
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[SD]

I guess u all seem to be living in some world my husband has two IIT degress on hand his MSc as well as his PhD and that too in Maths his field being Operations Research. He has been in teaching profession for the last 12 years and he has worked abroad too now it is difficult for him to get a decent job around. So what is this about being hyped don\\\'t u think that all this is a misconception alone.

[Ravi]

I don\'t know, if any of these IITians+IIMs have created companies like like LG, SAMSUNG,HYUANDAI etc. from Koreans.(May be so many of them are working for these companies).(Leave about software)which a global name and base in India.
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[Mayavi Morpheus]

Heard about Sun Microsystems, Infosys?? There are scores of chip companies (design and samll scale fab, communications etc) started by IITians...but they are all in USA. Understandable \'cos till recently Veture capitalism is unknown in India. With FDi flowing in, all these companies are being relocated to India, mostly Banglore. Recently Vinod Dham (?)- IIT alumni, father of Intel Pentium Processors turned Venture capitalist - started three start ups in Banglore, two in Bio-tech and one in IT.
<br>30% of the startups in Silicon valley (CAlif) are owend by Indians mostly IITians.
<br>So you see

[trainman]

hi i am new here ,first message.yeah i think iitians deserve the hype, they get they worked for it.also if iitians are not team workers then i wouldnt know who are cause they are taught and groomed to learn and develop as a team. all their activities define them so.

[Archu]

ahem..what an interesting topic. Sort of makes me wonder..are US companies still hiring IIT-ians for their overseas branches? Considering the economy and the H1B cap and so forth..If they still are preferring IIT-ians over US graduates, the hype is well deserved, I think Wat say, Johnny?

[coolnut]

buzz off u JERK

[c]

yup buddy but Tatas are not IITians...Dhriubhai are not IITians,,,,,SUN ,Vinod dham .....infy(narayan murhy is a Mtech)....are in colllaboration with others...Hotmal is by sabber bahtia....Kajlpan chawal is not from IIT CV raman is not from IIT......Ramalinga raju is not from IIT?

[trainman]

true that these guys have made it big.yeah i\'ve read about some of them.its their pure personal will that got them to
<br>the heights they are now.but what mm meant i think was that iitians always or in most cases reach unto a very good position in society and they are definitely doing their best to contribute to our country,whichever way.

[Maayvi Morpheus]

Wall-mart, Exonn Mobile, BP, Shell, CISCO, Microsoft yada yada yada are not owned or started by MIT alumni, but still MIT is the best institute out there.
<br>IIT is best in India (even ASIA) doesnt mean that all Billion dollar companies are owned by them. They are Engineers for christ sake, not Managers or Venture capitalists.

[akhilis2cool]

Dug this up coz didnt want to strt a new topic.



Does the IIT system need an overhaul?

Anjali Doshi

Mumbai, November 21, 2005

About a week before he committed suicide last Wednesday, Vijay Nukala (22) got the worst news of his life: he would have to repeat a year at IIT. It wasn’t because the final year engineering physics student wasn’t good enough academically — it was because of the letters XX marked against his name.

Last year, the authorities at IIT, Powai, became extremely strict about enforcing a rule that meant final year students with less than 80 per cent attendance would be failed regardless of how they fared at the examinations at the end of a 16-week semester. In fact, they are not allowed to sit for the exams if there is a shortfall in attendance. And their names carry the XX appendage: two seemingly innocuous letters that translate to one lost year in a student’s life.

But for Nukala, that wasn’t all. Although he majored in engineering physics, computers were always his first love: he was recognised as the presiding geek at Powai, inventor of the campus’ most widely used intranet system, ‘Umang’. But the computer science project he had to present last Wednesday as part of his BTech coursework wasn’t up to scratch, according to his professor, say Vijay’s friends.

Burdened already with the prospect of another year on campus, this proved to be the final straw for Nukala. He never turned up for the presentation. He was found hanging from the fan in his hostel room in the evening, clutching his cellphone. Nobody is sure whom he made the final phone call to.

Most students HT spoke to are highly critical of the XX system, which came into being, according to faculty members, because IIT-ians were “spending too much time on the internet and the intranet.” Faculty members say that attendance is often poor at lectures, which begin at 8.30 am, because students are up all night surfing the net in their rooms.

It was Nukala who had a year ago devised ‘Umang,’ the intranet service that practically all students on campus use to share software. Although a low rank in the joint entrance exam forced him into engineering physics, even computer science students acknowledged his talent in their field.

But faculty advisors repeatedly told Nukala that he should focus on his academic subject rather than his subject of interest. “Once he graduated, he could have easily have pursued information technology,” said a faculty member.

according to FL, last year a 1st yr girl committed suicide too but no one got to know.

[spamtaneous]

sad!

but its no bodys fault...

[kk]

Johnny, I think they deserve the headstart etc. but one grievance I have is that their education is highly subsidized and in most cases ...

not anymore.

[akhilis2cool]

sad!
but its no bodys fault...

wht, the students committing suicide or the news not coming out of the campus?

[RK]

Sorry, didnt realize that. Are you in the engineering stream?
<br>Apart from the few NRI IIT's and few reservation category IITians, all IITians IMO are a eons ahead of the typical engineering graduate of India.

Generalising is bad. You get to see some real studs in that NRI IIT category.

<br>Best minds + Best facilities = Best students. IITians are the only people who get to do actual research while in college.

One more thing is Best Company/Competetion from fellow students

<br>But that doesnt mean that others are not good, it only means that IITians have more exposure to the latest and greatest in their field.

Rightly said





The IITs are very good at the undergrad level not only in India but globally, but when it comes to post graduation studies, if you compare them with the best foreign universities, they come nowhere into the picture.

Once we build some very good post graduate institutes or upgrade IITS and other institutes to the global level where cutting edge research is done and which will result in startups being popping up because of the research done in these intitutes, we will see that many of the IITians and other graduates will be more than willing to stay here to do their further studies and finally settle here, because not all of them fly off only to earn dollars

[Pondering HP]

Dug this up coz didnt want to strt a new topic.

Does the IIT system need an overhaul?

The news item you quoted was unfortunate. And though I do agree that the IIT system does need a tweaking of sorts, I wouldn't use a strong word like overhauling.



In cases such as the one mentioned in the news item, the powers that be in the IIT's should have a look into the merits of the case and then come to a judgement rather than generalising all such issues based on a rule. But overall, if you look at it, the IIT system has proven to be a world class system that brings out world class engineers. So, I don't think they really merit an overhaul.



RK - what you said about the level of PG education in IIT's is nowhere close to what you see in ivy league institutions etc. is true. I guess a higher stress on research would be the answer to this shortcoming. Moreover, IIT alumni should take an active part in revamping the curriculum at the PG level. Once they are out in the corporate world, they get exposed to a whole lot of new ideas brought in by alumni of other institutions. Maybe if the IIT's can create a forum for such ideas to be discussed and then channellised towards improvement in curruculum, it'll be great.

[akhilis2cool]

Dug this up coz didnt want to strt a new topic.

Does the IIT system need an overhaul?

The news item you quoted was unfortunate. And though I do agree that the IIT system does need a tweaking of sorts, I wouldn't use a strong word like overhauling.

In cases such as the one mentioned in the news item, the powers that be in the IIT's should have a look into the merits of the case and then come to a judgement rather than generalising all such issues based on a rule. But overall, if you look at it, the IIT system has proven to be a world class system that brings out world class engineers. So, I don't think they really merit an overhaul.

During my YM discussion with FL, i asked him whether he wld not miss the campus life once his studies are over. he said he just wanted to finish the course and leave the campus ASAP (something on this line). the problem is that the students have no voice. thats wht i was refering to...i agree that the system as a whole is world class.

students not having a voice in the functioning of the system is the issue...

[RK]

RK - what you said about the level of PG education in IIT's is nowhere close to what you see in ivy league institutions etc. is true. I guess a higher stress on research would be the answer to this shortcoming. Moreover, IIT alumni should take an active part in revamping the curriculum at the PG level. Once they are out in the corporate world, they get exposed to a whole lot of new ideas brought in by alumni of other institutions. Maybe if the IIT's can create a forum for such ideas to be discussed and then channellised towards improvement in curruculum, it'll be great.

The main fuel for research work is funding, which mainly comes from the government. Government already gives around 100 crores(if i'm not wrong) per year to each IIT. A major part of this goes into subsidising the education of the students. So if we want more funds for research work, the govt should either increase the funding or the subsidies should be brought down.

Considering the income levels(percaptia income) in India the second option doesn't sound practical (many eligible students may opt out of joining these institutes because of the high fees)

So the govt funding to the universities should increase, but not by cutting the allocations to primary education, instead the overall allocation of funds to education should increase.

[Pondering HP]

We're already paying 2% education cess on all direct taxes. Why not earmark part of this cess towards research in IIT's?

[Vishrasayan]

I'm not an IITian - and how I wish I were ....neways, I just don't have that kind of brains..



Brand IIT is the pride of India & yes the world can't ignore IIT nor can Scott Adams

Asok – chin up friend….ignore the quasi-racist digs..



Now..



Why did Johnny start the topic?



a) he genuinely felt that some Non-IITians are as good, but not given equal weight & wanted to see if he can find like minded ppl on FH

(well..... i'd LIKE to believe this one)



b) had some kinda’ self-doubt and started the topic so as to get back that feel good/ feel superior frame of mind? –

(well....I'm starting to believe this...more)



Anyway, lots of posts later - I can see Johnny’s giving spirited & hearty counters to cribbers.......& so very cock sure of the IITian superiority



good going buddy...I do this too...at times..