Proud to be Indian!!!

by **Andhraite** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:37 pm

As i said in the other board started by ZC... I\'m INDIAN first. The first thing i love in this world is INDIA !!!
 
 Without the help of the people in india, those attacks in mumbai or hyd or any other place will not take place ... someone must be there, who is cheating his/her motherland ...
 
 HINDUS: This is the only country they have , so i feel most of them will not betray by helping our enemies, except few, who r ready to die for money ...
 
 CHIRSTIANS: I feel they r given a lot of freedom, as u can see many r converting in india, b\'coz they have the freedom to do that, not like in china...
 
 MUSLIMS: India has more muslims than pak, but they r minority in terms of population in india when compared to pak, where they r majority... As i said before, i have muslims friends who r ready to die for india, who r proud to be indians ... I love them as i love every other hindu ... let me say , like very other TRUE indian ...
 
 But they r many cases reported against muslims saying that they support pak, not every indian muslim but few of hem, but those few can make the difference, by informing our enemies abt our moves, and also by plotting bombs in india. The following r few of the examples stating that indian muslims acted against india...(i\'m not against u, but i need a valid reason for those acts)
 
 CASE 1: When ever india loses to pak, they shout anti-indian slogan & praise paks (source:well-known fact, even my muslim brother agrees with that)
 
 CASE 2: Even after bin laden said in public that INDIA is his enemy, some muslims in old-city have posters of him in their houses.(source: my fellow indian muslim brothers & news on net)
 
 CASE 3: Some 100-200 8-10 yr old kids marched a rally protested against india, but the police had no clue to what to do as the activists r kids, they knew some elders r behind them. The boards carried by this kids read \"JEHAD AGAINST INDIA \"(source: HINDU newspaper, 7-9 months before with photo in the article)
 
 I want india to be peaceful with harmony ... I LOVE TRUE INDIAN MUSLIMS BUT NOT THOSE WHO BETRAY THEIR HOMELAND, its just betraying ur own mother ...

by **Andhraite** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 11:15 am

come on muslims, i want to hear ur opinions abt the above acts ...

by ZC » Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:26 pm

ha ha ha

by **IdontDiscriminate** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 2:11 pm

U pose a difficult question my friend , do not expect an answer.the truth is out there!!!!

by ZC » Fri Oct 31, 2003 2:12 pm

well said.

by **Andhraite** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 10:07 am

Come on muslims speak, thats what is missing, COMMUNICATION, speak out, lets make the situation clear to all those betrayers ... without ur co-operation it is not possible, if INDIANS wants to live in harmony & peace, all the religions must involve ... as \"IdontDiscriminate\" said the truth is out that actions r not proper, if u don\'t talk abt this there will be many misunderstandings here, its not just u trying to support ur fellow religion-mate actions, u can also make statements abt how u want fellow INDIANS who r hindus , christians , people from any religion to be ...

by **Fiddler** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:12 pm

Blast all muslims who think that our religion can ever be confined to any single country or group of countries! Being a muslim myself, I think it\'s disgusting that any muslim would support Pakistan over India just because Pakistan is an islamic country. What difference does a nationality make to whether you\'re a good muslim or not? Religion or no religion, the country you were born in is the only country you\'ve got. So what if you\'re in the minority? Being a muslim doesn\'t require you to condemn other religions! Why should your faith in your religion be reinforced by identifying with people who aren\'t even from the same country?? I say that you don\'t have to support Pakistan or Osama bin Laden to be muslim. Be an Indian, be a Muslim and be proud of who you are!!

by **Baigan** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:25 am

Andhraite ,
 
 Firstly , Why should muslims need to show their loyalty to any Tom , _ and Harry ?
 As u have rightly said money is the reason why many Hindus have betrayed and betraying the nation . At the same time u mean to say it is alright to betray a nation for money :-)

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 I will not deny that some muslims indulge in anti national activites . Supporting a paki team is the least of the crime . As far as i know some of them just do it to irritate people like you . Just ignore them .
 
 Regarding support for Ben Laden . Arent there people who support people like Bal Thakeray and Pravin Togadia ? There are nuts everywhere .
 
 Regarding Case 3 , Can you send me the link to the news item ? It seems to be somebody\'s mischief to me
 
 
 
 IdontDiscriminate - Yes, the Truth is out there !! But you seem to be very selective about it . Please do change your handle as it does not suit you views , which are certainly discriminating .
 
 Thanks

by **Andhraite** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:34 pm

Baigan,
 
 no one here asked any muslim to show his/her loyalty to others ... then why r u quoting that ... yes, i agree that few hindus r betraying INDIA for money, but did i say thats alright, then how on this earth can u conclude that ...
 
 i also said few people from muslim community r invoved in anti-indian activities, but they r more than enough to create havoc in this country ... taken into consideration the ratio of population, that number is big ...
 
 Thats why i\'m asking u people to co-opearate and discuss in how to make INDIA a \"place to live in peace & harmony\", this implies not just to muslims, but for very PROUD INDIAN ...
 
 That what i say is missing , COMMUNICATION & MIS-INTERPRETATION between hindus & muslims ... its taken for granted that people from the other religion r bad ... comeon, what\'s this ???
 
 ur replies for the three cases made no sense to me ...
 
 my reply to UR ANSWER FOR CASE 1: Its not for fun,man, when they r litting fire to the national flag ... its much bigger crime than being an indian who is a terrorist in J&K ...
 
 my reply to UR ANSWER FOR CASE 2: Bal Thackeray & Praveen Togodia r not terrorists, then how the hell can u compare them to bin laden ...
 
 my reply to UR ANSWER FOR CASE 3: If u r a regular reader of Hindu or Deccan newspaper, u would have come across this article one year ago ... if u have no faith in this statements then go to hindu.com or deccan.com and register urself and check for this in archives ... if still u have no faith, then go to HQ of that newspaper and enquire with them or better go and ask ur friends in old city ...
 
 PLS, TRY TO INTERPRET THIS POST IN THE SAME WAY AS I MEANT(i know no 2 persons can view in a same way, but try), IF NOT IN THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY ...

by **Baigan** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:39 am

Andhraite ,
 \" How the Hell do you ...\"
 Firstly you should tone down your language in your posts if you are really serious about discussing a topic . Regarding you arguments .
 - I never said to take it easy on people who are burning the national flag . I agree this should not be tolerated at any cost .
 
 - Bin Laden did not execute 9/11 or other terrorist attacts but his \"boys\" did it . And Thakerays \"boys were involved in mumbai riots , babri masjid demolition . Togadia\'s \"boys\" were involved in Gujrat riots . And Please do not try to justify the act saying it was done as retaliation . That is the excuse of every terrorist . These _ commit terrorist acts in the name of nationalism . If this is nationalism then i accept i am anti national :-)

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 - I never contested what you said i just wanted to see the news item . I have been been traveling around quite a lot for past 4 years so i just read indian newspapers on the net when i get time . These days i happen to have lot of time :-)

If you really want to understand the muslim mind then remove all ur prejudices and then discuss with us.
 
 One more thing if you want to continue discussion let us do only on one board as the topics seems to be converging . what do u say ?

by **Andhraite** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:39 am

Baigan,
 
 It may be ur opinion that VHP/RSS r same as al-qaeda terrorists ... but i\'m sure this not for most of the people ... i don\'t say that its a good org., yes, it must be banned. But, what i\'m trying to say is suppose u have 4 problems, out of which #1 is of 50% and #2 is 30 % and remaining is from #3 & #4 ... obviously u will try to clear problem #1 & #2, which means that u have cleared most of ur problems ... then after clearing them , u can try to clear the problem #3 & #4 ... Here, kashmir problem is no.1 ... can u understand what i\'m trying to say???
 
 BTW, can u suggest any way to stop betrayers from ur muslim community?(i\'m afraid, u guys will find fault in this statement. i\'m not discriminating. There r such people from all religions, but as u know ur religion more than me, i\'m looking for ur suggestion) Because, if not one from INDIA is helping the pakis or other terrorists, then i\'m very much sure that they can\'t enter into our motherland !!!
 
 Whats ur reply ???

by **Andhraite** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:41 am

Baigan,
 
 It may be ur opinion that VHP/RSS r same as al-qaeda terrorists ... but i\'m sure this not for most of the people ... i don\'t say that its a good org., yes, it must be banned. But, what i\'m trying to say is suppose u have 4 problems, out of which #1 is of 50% and #2 is 30 % and remaining is from #3 & #4 ... obviously u will try to clear problem #1 & #2, which means that u have cleared most of ur problems ... then after clearing them , u can try to clear the problem #3 & #4 ... Here, kashmir problem is no.1 ... can u understand what i\'m trying to say???
 
 BTW, can u suggest any way to stop betrayers from ur muslim community?(i\'m afraid, u guys will find fault in this statement. i\'m not discriminating. There r such people from all religions, but as u know ur religion more than me, i\'m looking for ur suggestion) Because, if no one from INDIA is helping the pakis or other terrorists, then i\'m very much sure that they can\'t enter into our motherland !!!
 
 Whats ur reply ???

by **Baigan** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:08 pm

Andhraite ,
 
 Anybody who betrays the nations should be severly punished so that nobody else dares to try again
 I think there no quick fix solution for stopping betrayers whether they are muslims or hindus . These type of people will always exists and sadly will continue to exist . We can only contain them , it is impossible to finish them . But if this latest round of hatred which is being spread continues for some more time then God only Save us

by **Andhraite** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:18 pm

I\'m still looking for solution, Baigan ...
 
 Yeah, agreed that there will be people like them in this 21st century(kalli yugam), but we can certainly bring those numbers down, right ...
 
 I mean, u(muslims) will practise some actions, which makes u guys to be very much binded to ur religion(for eg., Ramzan month, u fast & pray & give alms)... in that way, is there a way to bind indian muslims to their motherland, so that this number can go down ...

by **JustaLittleUnwell** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:25 pm

\"BTW, can u suggest any way to stop betrayers from ur muslim community?\"
 
 Andhraite, I\'m not a Muslim, but I think I can answer your question - curb the rise of Hindutva (so solving your #4 problem is very relevant)
 
 Until beginning of 90s, India was communally peaceful, but for an odd riot here and there. Only since Hindutva has raised its ugly head, that we have such a communally charged atmosphere in the country. First they get an Ayodhya, and which is followed up with a Gujarat, and you expect them to remain loyal flag toting patriots? They are also people and not saints.
 
 I reiterate what I\'ve been saying in other threads - That Hindutvawadis are the lowest forms of life this country has ever produced. They are the biggest threat to the future of this great country.
 
 PS - The similarity btwn Hinduism and Hindutva ends with the first 5 letters. There is absolutely no overlap between what the two stand for. Just clarifying, so that the smart asses of this board don\'t paint me as an anti-Hindu or a Hindu-hater.

by **Baigan** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:41 pm

Islam teaches me to be loyal to my country and if they really understand Islam they would be loyal citizens . But unfortunately , some muslims do not .
 
 The only possible solution to contain is strict but neutral justice system . Our judiciary is capable and honest but unfortunately our police and politicians makes things worse . Probably , what we need is a leader like Gandhi . Maybe Born again Naidu is the answer :-)

by **Andhraite** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:47 pm

Thanks JLU & Baigan ... looking forward for more ...
 
 I feel by educating people to not to blindly beleive in what this Hindutva & madrassas say/teach and by clearing the misunderstandings between the 2 communities can do wonders to INDIA in maintaining peace as 95% of the population r from this 2 communities ...

by **Baigan** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:01 pm

Let us start with ourselves and be friend :-)

what do u say ?

by **Andhraite** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:17 pm

Ok boss !!!

by **Learner** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:18 pm

Another way to overcome this gap of suspicion is that we should sincerely try to befriend a person from a different community. This is what I am doing personally. This way we will soon learn that the other is not really as bad as we thought. I think this small beginning will certainly pave the way for a more happy and peaceful India.

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