Is it wrong being a Non-Vegetarian?

by **shadow of doubt** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:08 pm

That your statements are absurd, my friend, is so obvious that I needn\'t have said that at all!
 
And lo! You want a proof of it. If it is daytime, I say it is daytime, do I need to prove it?

by **shadow of doubt** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:17 pm

So you want to wallow from one end of the extreme to another? If I cannot save that tree from being chopped down, if I cannot save that potato from being severed from the plant, why not join the band? Why not go killing the other living beings as well? If I cannot stop EVERY form of cruelty, I have no right to distance myself from ANY form of cruelty. This is exactly how your statement paraphrases.

by **Andhraite** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:35 pm

Soory to say , but that\'s the fact... THAT\'S WHAT I (we) HAVE TO SAY TO U!!! Got that?
 

 
Arey yaar, let me tell you this, there is nothing wrong in being vegis or non-vegis. It\'s up to the individuals to decide. So, vegis can\'t say that non-vegis don\'t have feelings and all. By showing all these examples, I\'m not saying that we CAN kill, but I\'m just saying that if killing animals is wrong, then killing any other living being is the same SIN...
 

 
I never said that being vegi is bad or wrong. But I don\'t like you guys pointing out the non-vegis that you have no feelings towards other living beings. That\'s why I showed all those examples. If we are killing for our food, you are also doing the same thing for your food.
 

 
And for your saying that next what - lizard or ... or humans - arey yaar, it\'s up to us to decide what to eat. When you guys eat what you want, we eat what we feel like eating. But not like going after everything.

by **bornhyderabadi** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:43 pm

You need proof? Yes!!
 
B\'cos for a blind person everything is dark, he needs to be told it\'s day or night. Similarly sometimes a person is so blinded by his/her belief, he/she cannot see things clearly.

by **Andhraite** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:12 pm

Brother, say whatever and however much you want, but it can\'t penetrate through that STUBBORN brain... If one restricts the angle of view to one direction, no one can help it!!!

by **Ramesh.** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:30 am

Andhraite, if you can justify by saying that you are killing plants, and so there\'s nothing wrong in killing animals, then I too shall say that you are killing animals and there\'s nothing wrong in killing humans.

by **Andhraite** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:41 am

Check my previous posts - I said that whether you are vegi or non-vegi, it\'s the same. It is up to the individual to choose. I have no probs if you are vegi, but don\'t say that we non-vegis have no feelings towards other living beings. When you said that we are killing animals to have food, I said that you are killing to have your food, that\'s it.
 

 
I\'m just pointing out that even vegis kill living beings, so why do they say that only non-vegis are killing living beings?

by **Ramesh.** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:23 pm

OK then, if you justify killing animals by saying that others are killing plants, I will justify killing you by saying that you are killing fellow living beings. So there is nothing wrong in killing \"my fellow living being.\"

by **bornhyderabadi** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:48 am

Hi - you seem to be getting off track here. We are not discussing killing human beings here, and moreover, we are not the ones to justify it (human killing). There are law and justice departments for that. If you want to experiment, try killing someone and see for yourself. You will rot in prision for life

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Now getting back to the topic, I recently read an article which read \"hot vegetarians alive\", which listed names like Anil Ambani, Amitabh Bachchan, Lara Dutta... The list also consisted of many Hollywood actors. What pisses me off is the kind of attention these self-proclaimed \"vegeterains\" get. And do they deserve it? What great deed have they done just by abstaining from eating non-veg? They cannot be applauded for that. Some plant loving group must come up with something anti- like \"hot plant killers alive\". 
Life is life, I don\'t know why it\'s so difficult to understand.

by **Andhraite** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:05 pm

I do not quite agree with your point.

by **Andhraite** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:14 pm

Let me make it simpler. You are arguing that we are killing animals. But, aren't you doing the same?

by **oops!** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:50 pm

Now did not someone just make it clear on this post that VEGERARIANISM is different from those imposters who claim to be vegetarians?
 
Consider this simpler example: just becoz most doctors around you are cheats and want to fleece you of your money, will you conclude that the entire science of medicine is a big hoax? You won\'t, right? The same applies to vegetarianism as well. Just becoz 90% veggies have double standards, how can you say that the concept of veg. itself is misplaced? What you can say is that most people do not understand this concept. And that most people like to practice it only as per their convenience.
 
I think the discussion is on concepts here. Not on people who practice them (or claim to, at least).

by **Andhraite** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:14 pm

I agree that they are vegis, but not that they don\'t kill living beings... They do kill them...

by **bornhyderabadi** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:38 pm

Oops! I know this board is about idealogy rather than people, and I am sorry to have brought people into it. One more thing I want to say is that I am not against any veggies nor am I discussing about double standards in terms of eating habits.
 
You could eat what ever you want. It\'s your choice. My primary concern is about the non-vegetarian concept being criticised for the mere reason that you are taking away a life. As I have said over and again, plants have life, too, and in eating them you are taking away life, so how can they (veggies) brand someone else as culprits when they themselves are ones?

by **Ramesh** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:58 pm

No, being a veggie saves lots of lives. Even if you look at it logically, for feeding the animals, you r killing lots of plants and then cruelly killing the animals which feel the pain. Of course you need to eat something. If you can\'t escape, why don\'t you try to minimise the cruelty to the extent possible(by being a veggie)?
 
Do you think there\'s any alternative for veggies? Some of them really feel the pain. That\'s the biggest reason for vegetarianism, health being the second one.

by **pavani** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:56 pm

Yes being a veggie saves a lot of animal lives. And it also TAKES AWAY MILLIONS OF PLANT LIVES!!!
 
You eat rice, don\'t you? For that you kill thousands of poor rice plants.

by **_--_-_-_-_** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:22 am

Yeah... but non-veggies take away animal life AS WELL as plant life

Even to cook chicken curry you need onions, ginger garlic and all. They take away plant life as well as animal life, while veggies take away only plant life. So who\'s being more cruel?

by **oops!** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:27 am

I think they are right in that they are doing lesser evil than non-veggies. Someone got that hierarchy right here...
 
(killing plants) < (killing animals) < (killing humans) < (killing conscience)

where (A) = evil quotient of action A
 
LOLz

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Cheer up dudes!!!

by **Andharite** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:40 am

For one day\'s meal, I may have to make others take one life, but for rice, you have to kill thousands of plants. For potatoes, for this, for that...

by **Andhraite** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:49 am

Tell me, you are also responsible for killing many animals, and a lot of vegi stuff. So you have killed many living beings. It\'s more than the no. of animals we make others kill.
 
And I don\'t quite agree with your theory, friend... (killing of any life other than human)<(killing a human being).

by **bornhyderabadi** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:46 am

I think you got the equation wrong. It is
 
(killing plants) = (killing animals) = (killing humans). Since we humans have law and order we are convicted for killing humans. If they(plants/animals) have there laws then we all humans would have been convicted for killings them and each one of us would be behind bars

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by **oops!** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:12 am

Chalo phir sab ko jail me band karo. Let everyone be sentenced to death, if killing plants = killing humans. 
I hate this tendency to argue just for the sake of arguing. Bring up points which have at least SOME validity. Then we can debate over them.

by **oops!** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:15 pm

As if you don\'t eat rice with your chicken, mutton, prawn, fish, stew, pig, frog, snake, chockroach, rat, maggot, lizard...
 
You eat them with roti and rice don\'t you?
 
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by **oops!** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:17 pm

As if you don\'t eat rice with your chicken, mutton, prawn, fish, stew, pig, frog, snake, chockroach, rat, maggot, lizard...
 
You eat them with roti and rice don\'t you?
 
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by **Ramesh** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:12 pm

Andhraite, you have started speaking illogically.

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