Why are all terrorists muslims?

by **sunny** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:20 pm

just asking this question... i\'m curious!!

by **Learner** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:23 pm

Right - Bhindranwale for example

by **sunny** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:00 pm

man, moderator, pls remove this title... i\'m sick of no replies... pls.

by **Anil** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:53 am

Well, here\'s a list of terrorist groups which have nothing to do with Islam: Aum Shinrikyo Japan Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) Spain and Northern France Communist Party of Philippines (CPP/NPA) Kach and Kahane Chai Israel Devrimci Sol (Revolutionary Left) Turkey Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna Spain and France Real IRA (RIRA) Northern Ireland Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) Venezuela, Panama, and Ecuador The Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC) Algeria Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path, SL) Peru United Self-Defense Forces/Group of Colombia (AUC) Colombia The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) Sri Lanka Dear Sunny, why do you want the moderator to remove your posts? Just because no body is responding!!??? Its a free world, everyone has a right to decide - whether to respond or not to your postings is something which you cannot coerce! I am sure, you would have got more responses if your question was more constructive or proactive like \"Why more and more islamic youth are turning into terrorists?\"

by **arch** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:52 pm

there are 21 wars going on around the world and 15 of them are fanatic muslims warring with other races. Just a fact as simple a one as Anil has stated.

by **Z C** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:30 pm

what is the definition of terrorists? i think this is the word that has been the most abused in recent times. anything and everything is called a terrorist act and everyone is called a terrorist very easily. Please restrain yourselves in using it so easily.

by **Z C** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:34 pm

If bullying/going to war is the same as \'terrorism\', then USA ranks number one as it waged war the most number of times in modern history. I heard some politician from the west saying \"Hindu terrorists massacred more than 1000 muslims in Gujarat\". Does this guy being a Brit know the exact meaning of terrorist?

by **Learner** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 10:27 pm

Anil, with your reply you have restored my faith in my beloved India. All is still not lost yet.

by **sunny** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:07 pm

numbers don\'t define terrorists. i feel it\'s the brutality that counts. the post-godhra events were the epitome of brutality. killing women and children, burning people alive, destroying homes... this is terrorism, man. compared to this shooting at a person is nothing - he just dies in seconds. but imagine the pain caused due to cutting up someone or burning someone. just think for a moment...

by **Z C** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:11 pm

a life lost is a life lost, whether it is by the American tanks and guns or the terrorists bombs. there is no justification for killing.

by **Arch** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 6:27 am

Hitlers\' nazi camps and the killings and India defending itself in kargil and killings, in turn, are the same, ZC?!!!!!!!!

by **ramu** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:40 pm

Hurting people in the name of religion, region and caste, politicians are the real terrorists in our country in my opinion.

by **Learner** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:47 pm

Well said Ramu, slight correction - Corrupt Politicians, and whoever is currupt, whatever may be the profession should also be termed as terrorists.

Eventhough they have in their power to change the miserable lives of millions of India poor, they choose not to do so, but stick to damned kursis by whatever means, always the pitiful excuse being - serving the poor, which is last thing on their minds.

When will we seek accountablity from our policiticans, wake up guys, lets make a better India.

Lets not seek divisions, lets get togather.

by **sunny** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:26 pm

yeah yeah, now we\'re talking man!! \'corrupt politicians\' are the primary cause for the underdevelopment of our country. but i feel there is nothing we can do \'cos the people in our country don\'t want to take any risks. i mean, take a look at our past... has India had any major revolutions??? NO... people are so worried about themselves and their families that they don\'t want to start any revolution. one more thing my friends, don\'t forget that people we see engaging in bandhs and strikes are not true revolutionalists - they have been bought for a couple of bucks, that\'s it. it is only when the educated stand up and protest that we can change the system. recently there was a debate on NDTV about corrupt bureaucracy. we just can\'t help it... has anyone got any idea how we can solve this corruption??? 
PS: sorry \'cos the above said is not related to the topic...

by **Arch** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:00 am

Whats\' corruption in India got to do with all terrorists in the world being muslims,as per the question posed on this board? Incidentally, I do not think that its Muslims in general who r the terrorists, its all religions\'s fanatics that are so. Thesaurus states that a TERRORIST is : somebody who uses violence or the threat of violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assassination, to intimidate, often for political purposes or lately being used in the name of religion, race, creed.

by **Fiddler** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:40 pm

It would seem like all terrorists are muslims for the simple reason muslim terrorists have been in the media quite a bit recently. Also, us Indians probably equate terrorism with Islam because of the gentle ministrations of our loving neighbor, Pakistan. Pictures of Osama would only reinforce this subconscious linkage. Just a thought, of course.

by **mrk** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 4:36 pm

Then what about Abdul Kalam? He is not a terrorist. He is the President of India, and belonging to the Muslim community.

by **Faheem** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:58 pm

Dear Mrk, you mis-understood Sunny\'s question. He didn\'t ask why all muslims are terrorists? he asked \"why are all terrorists muslims? Having said that, I adore Mr. Anil\'s effort on bringing an answer that proves beyond the point that Sunny\'s observation is obsolutely untrue. But, I wouldn\'t blame Sunny for that, he is only one of the millions of innocent who are brainwashed with this type of mis-information.

by **Faheem** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:11 pm

Anil,
I must tell you that, when this board was created, I saw it before anybody responded. I could have responded but didn\'t bother, because I am tired, sick and tired of this type of propoganda. I already go through this about 4 to 5 hrs a day on TV/radio (especially talk shows on radio). I come on fullhyd everyday for a change but I am not spared here either (sometimes). If not for fellow indians just like you and others who use their own minds not what they \"hear\" or made heard, I would have never returnded to this site. From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU!. It is very comforting to know that there are poeple like you out there, in fact a lot of people like you.

by **hyd_am** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 2:44 am

Yes, I have to agree with Faheem - Thanks.

by **sunny** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:29 am

Hey Faheem, just take some time think about all the terror acts that happened in India. Who were involved??? Sorry for being so outspoken but that’s the truth my friend. And I can even give to reasons why it is happening. See most of (not all) the community is uneducated. They are still stuck in the ethnic pot – these include no family planning, no education for women, undermining women rights, etc….. see I’m not building this up aw’right I’ve been living in a Muslim area for my entire life and this is what I inferred from my scrutiny. Here (every where) they (Muslims) give birth to a whole bunch of kids, who they can’t bolster . eventually these kids end up in low graded jobs (owing to the fact that they r uneducated) and baring all these in mind they have one damn excuse “GOD”… which steers them into all sorts of wrong doings. (every community has it’s own flaws…but I’m sure u can figure out the difference between “terror acts” and “normal crimes”). I heard from a Muslim friend of mine who said using a condom is against Islam. Is that true- then how in hell r they gonna control birth. Anyways the discussion not about birth but I just used that quote to justify that they r not educated. PS:pls take this topic sportily and am sorry if it hurts anyone…

by **Fiddler** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:12 am

As disillusioning as it may sound, this man is right... Most muslims (could also be the fault of the Mullahs that preach to them) take a very extreme view of Islam through a misinterpretation of the Quran. Actually, whatever\'s in the Quran can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. It just depends on how you want to see it. Ask me. I know

by **Anil** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:05 pm

The worst terrorism India faced so far is not from terrorists groups of Islamic origin but from Sikhs (how can anyone forget the dreaded Bhindrawale - the Khalistan liberation front) and from Tamil (LTTE). Wake up guys - we have lost three of our best leaders (whatever be there flaws) to terrorist groups which had nothing to do with Islam. First, it was the Mahatma (assassinated by our own Hindu fundamentalist - whatever justification everyone attributes to Godse\'s intention – Gandhi definitely didn’t deserve it). Then, it was the Indira Gandhi (by Sikh terrorists) and lastly Rajiv Gandhi (by LTTE) the biggest loss for modern India. And there are scores of other leaders that were targeted by the Sikh and Tamil terrorist groups including the heinous school bus bombs killing innocent children or the death of 329 passengers following the crash of Air-India in the Atlantic orchestrated by the Sikh militant groups. Sunny, empty rhetoric is more dangerous than RDX. The problem of population has nothing to do with religion. It\'s more related to awareness and illiteracy. OK, you mentioned that Islam prohibits using condoms. Fine. Can you tell me how many of our rural population are using condoms? Do they even know what a condom is? And 70% of India lives in villages. The only family planning procedure they opt is tubectomy (again there is a lot of apprehensions about vasectomy) mainly to get the financial incentives the government promises. It\'s a pity that you seemed to have played smoothly into the game plan of the Uma Bharthi clan and toeing the line of militant Hinduism. People not following family planning because of religion is because of either superstition or simple ignorance or simply poverty (they see each kid as a potential bread-earner). How will you explain an Engineer sacrificing his 6 year old daughter to appease God and acquire some treasure. OK, lets look at the literacy card you were invoking. The average illiteracy rate of India is about 50%. The Muslim population is about 25%. Let’s assume that all of these 25% are illiterate and therefore will become terrorists (as per your preposterous analogy). But there will be 25% Hindu population also who are illiterate and therefore, they should also end up as terrorists (again as per your analogy). That means, we shouldn\'t be complaining, we should be proud that we have a 50% literate population and 50% are illiterate who are potential terrorists; and of these the Hindus and Muslims are equal with a contribution of 25% each!! Bravo! As to the holy books, it’s a case of what is food for one is poison for others. Lord Rama disowns his pregnant wife Sita just because someone has cast aspersions on her fidelity! Gita justifies the killings of your friends or relatives, Lord Krishna is the very embodiment of all the vices (steals, cheats, flirts, etc., etc.). The religious texts, whether Quran, Bible or Gita, were the instruments to control and bring certain order to the society – either by the belief in something Supreme or the fear of Unknown. The sane people learnt where to draw the line. However, in each of these religions, there are groups who started interpreting these texts to suit their own whims and fancies or plain ulterior motives. A lot has been said and will be said about them. The main problem whether it is Islam or any other religion is these bunch of people who sway the emotions and tend to play the religion card. Unfortunately, the human race is yet to come out of the flock-mentality. I am not justifying the acts of terrorism committed by Islamic groups but begging for stopping a prejudicial approach. Terrorists are terrorists. Let’s not classify them as Islamic, Sikh or Hindu and indulge in a one-upmanship game. If only the West and the developed nations paid more attention to extending an helping hand to these poor nations and solving their basic needs (food, water, shelter, and education – not necessarily in that order) rather then trying to “flush out terrorists” – imaginary and real!?! Lastly, Sunny, I feel guilty that I always end up contradicting whatever you say. But, believe me Sunny, I am helpless. The stance (be it religion, sex or terrorism) you take are always either misguided or just instances of being naïve. Ah, I sincerely wish, if only I was wrong…….

by **Learner** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 10:59 pm

A grain of truth - May be.

by **sunny** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 10:00 am

Anil, consider this - you are given 75% milk and the rest water and posed a question as to what it is. I\'m sure your answer will the most obvious. That is exactly what I\'m trying to dispel, my friend. (Thanx for all the effort you have taken in bringing out the various non-Islamic groups). 
And coming to my talking about serious stuff... I am entitled to do so man - I wouldn\'t have joined this bulletin if I weren\'t interested in discussions. And I\'m into talking serious stuff cos I\'m worried about the country man... 

You are right about the interpretations from various holy books. The ignoramus interprets it in a different way. And to change this kinda approach I guess education is the only go. The LTTE and others have various causes for creating havoc, but what about the Islamic groups? They have only one cause - GOD - and that is preposterous. And whether I\'m being naïve or sophisticated is not a problem \'cos all I am is indulgent, just speaking my mind. And sorry if I can\'t be a tough competitor for you.

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