Baby modeling

by **Bakash** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 5:05 pm

Hi friends...I\'d like to make my son a model. He is 6 months old. Can any of you who are familiar with the field direct me how to proceed and regarding the approach I should make?

by **Anil** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 7:06 pm

This might sound very harsh but the very idea of trying to make a model of a child who is six months old is unpalatable. In other words, what the parents are trying to do is making money exploiting (yes, think about it - it is a form of exploitation - similar to what the parents of many girls are doing because of the Miss femina, Miss World, etc contests) their own kids oblivious of what their choices are. And a six month old kid has no choice in these matters. Given a choice, no kid wants to face it. I personally feel, it is a sophisticated form of pimping. I am really sorry to state that. But think about it, isn\'t it a fact.

by **shaikh** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:19 pm

Dear Bakash bhai, can\'t you think of anything better to make him? think about it, you can make him a hafiz or haji or doctor or pilot; please think about this and let us know, this is important. thanks in advance!!

by **pal** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:33 pm

What\'s the problem if someone wants to see his son/daughter as a model? Let me ask you a ques Anil... Many parents want to make their children doctors or engineers... does that mean that they are investing on a business which gives them a profit in a long run? Try to answer this question and you will feel that there is nothing wrong in a parent thinking of making his son a model... What do you call the parents of Sachin, who allowed him to play cricket at the cost of his studies? Considering the mentality of a typical Indian, your (Anil) resoning would be justified... but you have to grow up to be on par with the world... cuz only the powerful rule...

by **Anil** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:12 am

Parents desperate to make their kids doctors/engineers are also equally guilty. Parents, please don\'t thrust your opinions on your kids. Just be a guiding force, so that they don\'t go astray. And Pal, as to your question, whether parents intending to make their children doctors or engineers are doing so as some investment on a business which gives them a profit in a long run? The answer to this is unfortunately yes in many cases. Haven\'t we seen parents who are doctors wanting their kids also to become doctors whether the kid has the aptitude or not. Similarly a businessman is keener to get his kids involved in his business rather than allowing them to go for higher education. I am not generalizing, but that\'s the trend. Hasn\'t this pressure to perform or live up to the expectations of the parents driven many kids to resort to extreme steps like suicide? Dear Pal, you seem to have got it all wrong going by the contradictory statements in your postings. On one hand you find nothing wrong with parents trying to force their kids to become doctors and engineers. On the Other hand you praise Sachin\'s parents because they allowed their son to pursue what he thought he was good at. THEIR LIES THE ANSWER! What would have happened, if Sachin\'s parents forced him to become a doctor or an engineer??? My point is, see what your kids are good at, and try to make them excel in that field. On a personal note, can you define what a “mentality of a typical Indian” is? As far as becoming powerful, ruling the world, etc. etc. I absolutely have no clue how these are related. OK, even if you wish to rule the world, the first thing is to be self-confident and don\'t indulge in self-derogatory remarks (I assume you are also a fellow Indian and therefore naturally have the \"typical Indian mentality\", whatever that means). I have seen several people using this term. Its time we should stop using it. I personally feel there is nothing wrong in having a “typical Indian mentality”. In fact, I take pride in that. And FYI, giving the kids the right to decide (which I professed) is not at all \"typically Indian\" but more Western (if you think that has an exalted status). Lastly, I don\'t think any parent who wishes a bright future for his kid wants to tread modeling path. After all, how long does a modeling career last?

by **pal** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:16 pm

Actually we are both confused....may main point was that why do our ppl prefer to see their children as future doctors or enginners or what ever....and why dont they encourage professions like modelling etc....and this is where typical indian mentality comes....and im not ashamed of using that word...bcuz thats hoow it is....many parents feel a career in modelling would spoil their children (this is intense in case of female child...)....the feeling of insecurity....and even same is the case with a career in sports.... most parents feel education is the safest option....and so they impose on their children... one thing i again disagree with u is that ....children should be allowed to decide their own career....ask any child below the age of 15...he will want to become a sports man, police officer etc etc...i guess 90% of them find fun in playing than studying at that age....they r not in a position to decide so u have to decide for them.....
 
 
I donno what i said above ...but finally i want to say that i found Mr anils comments (pimping , exploiting...) on bakash,s posting absoultely wrong and typical indian kind.....u should understand that its not the money that some does such a thing..(infact money is absolutely insigficant in this context..)...

by **pal** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:25 pm

In addition, let me define typical indian mentality...
 insecure about everything
 no aptitude for risk
 prefer 9 to 5 job
 do things bcuz u have to and not out of passion
 we don\'t need them so we din invent them... kinda mentality
 and effusively sentimental feelings abt indian culture and tradition, democracy, unity in diversity and what not... None of which is true... 

These are some... And I don\'t say this applies to all of Indians... but it does to a majority of us.

by **Shaik** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:14 pm

Pal: You are wrong. Indian preferred timings are 10:30a.m. to 1:00 p.m., with lunch break from 1:00p.m. to 1:30 p.m., and then 1:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. with lots of tea breaks...

by **Anil** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:05 pm

I still stand by what I said earlier. Digressing from the original topic, I am surprised at seeing your posting. I think we are the only nation who indulge in self deriding. I have never heard anything like \"typical French mentality\" or \"typical American mentality\". Even if there is one, it is seldom self-derogatory or de-riding. We are the only nation who indulge in collective self-criticism but do nothing as an individual towards corrective measures. So, that leaves us with no right to criticise, in the first place. And we should also stop talking as though we are the sole representatives of everything and anything Indian. If the Indians were really wary of taking risk, none of the Indians would have been so successful in other countries as they are now. Agreed there might be some inherent flaws in our thinking process but, are we, as individuals, doing anything to change that?

by **Anu_G** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:39 pm

Pal is dead right on what he said.. tight on the money. Anil, you score some points but not as many as Pal. Pal.. you nailed it .. what you said is a typical desi mentality and we do not want to risk even admitting that. TThanks for making me think - for the first time - while reading these boards.

by **pal** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:44 am

Kindly note that very few Indians have been successful when compared to other countries. This fact is evident by the number of inventions that have been made in our country and that in other countries. br>Nobel Prizes won by Indians is still in single digits. The number of Indians in the who\'s who of the world, the number of sportspersons etc. etc...
 India has made considerable progress but still it should take the examples of China and South Korea which were equally poor in the 1950s.

by **pal** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:49 am

Wish I could do something towards the corrective measures... But frankly what can I do? This is just a discussion in a message board, and not a Parliament session... So I limit myself to criticizing rather than implementing corrective measures...

by **a proud mom** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:41 am

I modeled in hyderabad and when I had my child I modeled along with my child for several months. As he started growing up I realised that he simply did not appreciate all the work that he needed to do ! He felt like just being a child ... and that was when he was an year and odd old. It was never for money that neither my child nor I worked for. It was for sheer pleasure.We drooped out of it when I realsied that it had been too much of a pain for my little one. My pleasure was never ever worth for what he had to go through.Now,He has grown up into a very fine young matured man with several accolades to his credit in his chosen field of profession.

by **Fiddler** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:16 pm

Anything that makes kids work against their own will is bad in my books. I\'m not talking about studying, or things like that. But modelling\'s hard work, even for a kid. And a kid that age shouldn\'t have to do anything other than just be a kid... It\'s all about personal choice, and parents ought not to force their choices on their children. It ought to be upto the child to make his or her own decisions, and upto the parents to be guides. This is just my opinion, of course

by **Bakash** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:06 pm

I thought that it would be pleasure for my kid to start that. That too I didn\'t want him to make a professional but I thought that it would just remain as a hobby for him. But after seeing the responses from a proud mom and fiddler I\'ve changed my decision. But in future if my son is willing I\'ll definitely give him the freedom in this regard as long as it doesn\'t affect his career opted.

by **Bakash** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:10 pm

Well actually I didn\'t have this idea of making him a model. But after seeing his photos I just thought that how it could be. Well I\'m no more interested in that. Thanks for your information. Friends, If you want to see here are his photographs. http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/a/ayman/

by **Anil** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:33 am

At the outset, apologies to Bakash, if my remarks offended you. May be, I was carried away by some of my traumatic personal experiences. Anyway, you indeed have a cute kid and I am sure you know what\'s right for your kid (most parents do, in fact - the only thing is they \"over do\"). ProudMom\'s and Fiddler’s postings make lot of sense. And Dear Pal, I don\'t know whether, I am confused or you

but you again seem to be getting all mixed up. I would say that India doesn\'t produce so many quality sportspersons because most of our parents are more inclined towards academics (indirectly they make the decisions for you) than sports. And there are other issues involved (some of them political) wherein the lesser talented persons are given a chance for reasons other than merit. Even the education system is to be blamed – sports is always relegated to a secondary position in our curriculum unlike the education in West (or even in China) where Sports are an integral part. And coming to the Nobel Prizes - I don\'t think that\'s an ultimate accolade for any one. There are several deserving scientists who never got a Nobel Prize. One thing that always puzzled me was why Mahatma Gandhi wasn\'t ever awarded the Nobel Peace prize (I know these prizes are not awarded posthumously - but in 1940s he was very much alive - the Nobel Prizes themselves were instituted in 1901 - and I also know the lame excuse that no one nominated him) especially if Jimmy Carter can get one?????!!!!! And what is this obsession of becoming world superpower or famous? Think again - becoming famous is not at all a big deal and not at all difficult. Even committing a most insane act is enough to get a berth on the who\'s who map of the world! And I absolutely don\'t concur with the escapist attitude saying what can we do? And do you think any sane decisions are ever really made in Parliament (especially something concerning of this type)!! Actually this board is lot better than the Parliament - we are at least maintaining decorum

OK, so what can be done - Speak Out. That is a single most effective weapon. For instance, whether right or wrong, but I am sure Bakash would be thinking twice or may be some other parents, if they happen to come across such discussions, who knows, may change their behaviour towards their wards. What more can I say but quote James Thurber: \"Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness\".

by **proud mom** » Fri May 02, 2003 12:28 am

Bakash, that had been \'my\' personal experience and it so happened that my son too turned out to be more inclined twds academics rather than into that field. He was more into playing and academics and was absolutely not into acting/modelling or the likes and is so, still.
In your childs\' case, it cud be diff. he may enjoy modelling later too. So, you can always try it out, Bakash.
your son is very cute and seems to be having very parents too. May God always bless him.

by **proud mom** » Fri May 02, 2003 12:30 am

good*

by **shaikh** » Fri May 02, 2003 1:09 am

Dear Bakash bhai, thank you for your kind response. I am very happy to hear this. (Whatever you do, look for ikhlaas in your heart). Thanks and best wishes.

by **Z C** » Fri May 02, 2003 6:12 pm

Anything other than studies in India, u\'ve got to have power/influence. My personal experience - I played cricket. Shouldn\'t be blowing my own trumpet, but I was one of those who bowled a wide or no ball once in a few matches, and when I was twelve/thirteen, I bowled my caoch right in the first over - mid wicket gone. He promised to recommend me to a higher level. And at the end, the best player award was given to a kid who didn\'t know how to hold a bat. The reason - his pop is a friend of a former Indian Cricket team player. Even then I didn\'t worry and I continued playing. And when I was in tenth, my parents said, \"You had a bad experience... decide for yourself which way u\'ve got to go, and the most imp thing u\'ve got to keep in mind is, we are not going to use influence. I had choosen to stop playing for a while. Have graduated from one of the best univs, have played for my univ at bachelors level, at masters level... Same problem everywhere. You\'ve got to be the son of somebody. I could have used influence. I have an international sports person in my relatives. (Not in cricket though.) But no. What my parents said was right. Now what I am is by my own work. I am happy, no regrets. And after the world cup final whre international bowlers bowled wides in 7th and 8th overs, I am even more happy. Now, I am a self made MAN. If you are listening and are from a middle class, please STUDY. Thanks to my parents who even until today left the option to me of choosing what I should study or which job I should choose. \'Coz they know that I know what suits me best.

by **shaikh** » Sat May 03, 2003 3:30 am

I like to thank all the participants on this board who with their invaluable inputs and effective messages convinced Bakash to think and change his mind.

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