God in Islam

[ishi]

Hi Friends....



can anyone tell me what's the nature of God as discussed in ISLAM... It is said by zakir naik that this world is God's but the God is not present everywhere...



What does he mean to say that God is not present everywhere?? does he mean to say that God is present in Eden garden as told in bible or quran...





some muslims throw some light on this...

[ishi]

if he is present in eden garden means that he has the boundaries... just like our bodies...

[Andhrawala]

Hi,

In my opinion, God is every where in this world. in you, in me and all other things. But your behaviour will decide whether God is there in you or not. If you omit Kama, Krodha,Lobha,Moha,Mada and Matsara in you then obviously God is there in you. But if you show any of these qualities then God is not there in you. you are just human being. I think now you undestand where God will not reside.

Suppose, If you are doing any mistake your mind will oject it(but more it wants) butter your inner soul(i.e. subconsious mind) will tell you about the truth. so if you practise to listen your inner soul then you can feel that god is with you.

This is irrespective of religion or cast.

[Andhrawala]

sry read the above para as like this



Suppose, If you are doing any mistake your mind will not oject it(but more it wants) butter your inner soul(i.e. subconsious mind) will tell you about the truth. so if you practise to listen your inner soul then you can feel that god is with you.

[ridiculous]

All the messages posted by me are deleted by the moderator....



The people of India deserve terrorism...People of india have chosen terrorism and they have to live with it and get themselves killed....

[Fiddler]

LOL! Mod, I get the message

[Aishwarya]

Ishi, that is a nice question. One quick clarification though... what is eden garden? I don't need to know the dictionary or the wiki defintion....



Think about that.. and am hoping you will get your answer!

[Chotee]

I am a muslim and with the limited knowledge, what I have about Islam . . .



As per the Holy Quran and the Ahadith, we believe in seven sky / heavens and that Allah (s.w.t) is ascended above his throne which is above the seven sky / heavens.



The 'eden garden' mentioned by Ishi, is the Garden of Eden were Adam (Adam (a.s)) and Eve (Hawa (a.s)) were placed at the Creation of man kind which is refered to by Christians being similar to the paradise or heaven.



Allah (s.w.t) is supreme and beyond any human attribute like eyes, ears, face, hand and legs. And, therefore his vision reaches out to every single source of life on this earth. His vision transcends the human minds and heart of every single though and speech of word that it makes.



So, there is no question of his physical presence at any particular place. To be present at a particular place is a human attribute and Allah (s.w.t) does not require his physical presence anywhere, the whole world is his creation and he exists is everywhere in his creation.



(I ask allah (s.w.t) for forgiveness, if anything wrong has been mentioned by me out of my ignorance. And, appreciate if a more learned muslim brother could correct me were ever I may have gone wrong.).



- Chotee

[Chotee]

Forgot to add an important note:



It a general advise, a biased mind can never be enlightened. Come up with a clear mind and give a reasonable & senseable evaluation of what is being said.



If someone has a hard feeling that muslims are evil people then he may keep it to himself rather than forcing the same biased approach on everyone else. Let them judge with their due deligence.



- Chotee

[AHA]

Surah 112. The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah



1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;



2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;



3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;



4. And there is none like unto Him.

[AHA]

Surah 1. The Opening

1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.



2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;



3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;



4. Master of the Day of Judgment.



5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.



6. Show us the straight way,



7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

[AHA]

Allah knows all, Allah is the greatest, Allah is the giver, is the creator.



Allah knows the smallest detail going in the mind of the entire world population of human & other living creatures. Allah decides the birth, life and the time of death of each living creature in the universe. Allah has decided the length of the day & night, rain & droughts and the movements of the planets & stars and everything that happened and will happen.



The creator is everlasting, eternal.. time is a human & earthly concept.

The creator is beyond earthly & human needs (does not need eyes, limbs, face/form). Men, women, animals, trees need these aids to carry out their living on this planet.

[Andhrawala]

Hi Chotee and AHA and ishi,

God will live in humanity not in the cast or religion.

[shakes]

Nice Discussion...

[Abdul Mujeeb]

hi my dear friends,



iam also muslim what chotee n aha said its absolutely true due to our holy books, regarding other religion i have some statements which i wll be mention later.



accroding to all humanity there is God(power) who exits n manage all.



according to our holy books as chotee mention he(ALLAH s.w) is sat on his thron which is above the 7 sky's, now come to the piont God exits mean he is watchin n controlling every particle of the universe here i wll say some statemenst according to our holy books due to huge n wast topic iam not mentioning reference if u need then i wll collect n give u n my pleasure to present n call towards truth, (ALLAH sw also listen the walk of black ant on the black mountain in the dark black night) God likes purity he is pure n eternal[/b]



what ever we do according to our clean n pure heart faith good deeds he(ALLAH sw) rewards us with more n many time of that deed, as our muslims sacrifice goats at EID UL ZUHA (the Sacrifice) do u think that the blood of that goat or meat wll reach to him(ALLAH) no only he(GOD) see the faith in his heart n reward him.



ALLAH sw said to our prophet (peace be upon him)if the people ask you about me tell them if they remember me(GOD) i remember them, if they come towards one step to me(GOD) i come towards 10 steps to them, if they come towards me by running then i come towards them more then that, if they wana find me say iam near them shariq vain the vain which is left or right side of ur neck (shariq in arabic n its a name of vain).



as our bro andhrawala said GOD in everywhere but due to people think as their own views if u understand that GOD everywhere means he is watching n controlling over all



for example if u sit in bathroom n eat u like this i hope u wll not, so.



GOD like purity if u say he(GOD) in us, we do many bad things n we go bathroom etc etc.. do u think that at that time GOD in u or with us or for temperaroy he left u its only matter of understanding for that u have to be a good scholar or u should seek knowledge from them.



now some verses from HINDU holy books according to them what they spoke ( I can assure that andhrawala didnt read any of the holy book of them).





Consider the following verse from the Gita:

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. ‘gods’ besides the True God.[b]

[b]The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God:

"Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1

"Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2

"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."

"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4





Yajurveda
The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:


"na tasya pratima asti
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]5

"shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]6

"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]7

Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.

The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
"Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander."
[Yajurveda 40:16]8 [b]

Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘conch shell’, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch. Muslims can never accept any image of God. As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.

[b]"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him"

The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:

"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10

"Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11[b]

even you people need more material or questions then go to this site find the truth.

http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm

i hope that here u wll find all of your answers.

NOTE:If you really searching the truth first go through your holy books with meaning then only u wll find the way.

[shakes]

Masha Allah,

Very nice work Mujeeb bhai,



Listen for Urdu question & Answers by Dr. Zakir Naik:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0272298122



Debate on concept of god By: Dr. Zakir Naik,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5717993985



Dr Zakir Naik & Ravi Shankar Debate. (Very Nice)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0451146736



Want to know Allah s.w.t.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAhKdL_1fYQ



Dr. Zakir Naik Won the debate by one Statement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVrjp1czfk



Allahi Yahdeekum,

take care bye.

[vakibs]

Imagine that you come across a fool on the road. You don't approve of his lifestyle. You think that he is not putting his life to good use. What do you do ?



Option (A) : Give him a sound brainwashing

Option (B) : Make an agitation saying that he is bringing bad name to the society, and that he should be kicked out

Option (C) : Put him in a confinement which gives him restricted access to resources, so that his corrupt influences will not affect the others (children, vulnerable people, weak minds.. blah blah blah)

Option (D) : Kill Him.

Option (E) : Blow yourself up in the street so as to make a point that you are pissed off by fools like him



Option (F) : Ignore the guy. Let him be like the way he wants to be. It is after all his life, and not your business. Probably the "fool" thinks exactly in the same terms about you. So let us all be at peace with each other.



The final option (F) is called "liberalism". Being Muslim is not bad, but one should also be a liberal. Replace the word "fool" by polytheist / atheist / homosexual / alcoholic / ... It is none of your business to interfere with him.



India has always been a liberal country in the history. That is the reason you see so much "foolishness" around. It is also the reason why Indians are always very peaceful and welcoming. Unfortunately, liberalism is not quite widespread in Muslim history.



Being a liberal minded Indian, I am quite scared of all the propaganda done by Zakir Naik etc. I am one person in a huge majority of people in India. It is people like me who always come to the rescue of minorities. It is people like me who champion the weak and underrepresented. So you cannot brand me as a Muslim-hater. All the same, I am very worried by the propaganda being done by the Ul-ullooms of Islam.

[Abdul mujeeb]

HI FRIENDS,



iam agree with vakibs that liberalism for everyone to live according to their own style in all aspects but my friend its not the propaganda ur telling this, becoz u didnt search nor get enough knowledge with scholar or with ur holy books.



IF U REALLY SAY ITS PROPAGANDA ON WHAT BASIS U CAN SAY THIS FOR THIS IF U NEED THERE WAS A DEBATE BETWEEN SRI SRI RAVI SHANKER WHO IS V FAMOUS SCHOLAR IN HINDUS N THE OTHER SIDE DR. ZAKIR NAIK IF U WATCH THEIR DEBATE ATLEAST U COME TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO SEARCH N THINK.



propaganda (to grap or trap the people with their emotions they dont think what they r doing what could be the result of their propaganda) do only politicians who always cheat n play with people emotions n hurt them n forget wat they make promise with them.



Note: i already mention in my previous talk, If you really searching the truth first go through your holy books with meaning then only u wll find the way. so please no hardfeelings its only discussion but no one forcing anyone.



here some information may kind attention to u my bro Mr.Vakibs



) Who introduced the suicide bombing in South Asia?

b) Which organisation is succeed in assassinating two heads of state by suicide bombings.

c) Which are the Hindu extremists organisations?

d) Which Hindu-extremist Organisation have such motto "Christians and Muslims are basically converts from Hinduism and should be reintegrated into Indian Hindu culture. If they prefer not to integrate they should leave India"?

e) Which Hindu-Militant organisation says: "Hindustan is for the Hindus"?

f) Which Hindu-Terrorist Organisation is registered as a charitable organization under IRS Section 501-3-C in USA. Every year which collects millions of dollars in tax-exempt donation from Hindus living in US. Every year top leaders of Hindustan visit US for fundraising campaigns. These funds are used directly for its violent campaigns to terrorize Muslims and Christians in India and to attack their places of worship?

g) Which Hindu-Fundamentalist Organistaion have damaged cricket pitches in stadiums in Hindustan where the Hindustani and Pakistani cricket team were scheduled to play in 1991 and in 1999?



Let me give you answers of some basic questions:

In July 5, 1987 The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) which is a non-muslim organisation, carries out its first suicide bombing in South Asia at the Nelliady army camp killing 40 security force (SF) personne.

This organisation, currently fighting for an independent Tamil state, began carrying out suicide bombings in 1987 and has since perpetrated over 200 such attacks. These bombings were particularly lethal and caused hundreds of casualties....

This organisation is the only one in the world to succeed in assassinating two heads of state by suicide bombings. A suicide attack killed former Indian Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi, while he was on an election campaign tour in Madras on 21 May 1991. Then, in May of 1993, President Premadassa of Sri Lanka was killed by a suicide attacker, along with 22 other people.On 17 December 1999, the organisation attempted to assassinate Chandrika Kumaratunga of Sri Lanka, using a female suicide bomber. The President was wounded but survived....

Some Facts about Suicide & Suicide Attacks:

In ancient times, suicide sometimes followed defeat in battle, to avoid capture and possible subsequent torture, mutilation, or enslavement by the enemy.

In Roman society, suicide was an accepted means by which honor could be preserved. Those charged with capital crimes, for example, could prevent confiscation of their family's estate by taking their own lives before being convicted in court.

The Kaiowas tribe in the South American rainforest committed a mass suicide in protest of a government that was taking away their land and beliefs.

During World War II, Japanese units would often fight to the last man rather than surrender.These tactics reflect the influence of the samurai warrior culture.

Following World War II, Viet Minh "death volunteers" fought against the French colonial army by using a long stick-like explosive to detonate French tanks, as part of their urban warfare tactics.

The French 11th century rabbi Rashi suggested this to mean that the Amorites attacked like bees do, i.e. stinging and then dying.

Another example was the Prussian soldier Karl Klinke on 18 April 1864 at the Battle of Dybbøl, when he blew a hole in a Danish fortification.

Modern suicide bombing as a political tool can be traced back to the assassination of Czar Alexander II of Russia in 1881. Alexander fell victim to a Nihilist plot. While driving on one of the central streets of Saint Petersburg, near the Winter Palace, he was mortally wounded by the explosion of hand-made grenades and died a few hours afterwards.

The act of self-sacrifice during combat appeared in a large scale at the end of World War II with the Japanese kamikaze bombers.

During the Battle for Berlin the Luftwaffe flew "Self-sacrifice missions" (Selbstopfreinsatz) against Soviet bridges over the River Oder.

Controversial example is from the time of the Crusades, when the Knights Templar destroyed one of their own ships, killing 140 Christians in order to kill ten times as many Muslims.

Were they all Muslims?

Hindu Extremist Organizations:

The RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh):

RSA is the mother of today's leading Hindu militant parties in India. It was established in 1925.

The RSS gained notoriety in 1948 after one of its members, Nathuram Godse murdered Gandhi, the "father of the nation" for allowing the establishment of Pakistan and being too accommodating of Muslims.

According to the RSS, Christians and Muslims are basically converts from Hinduism and should be reintegrated into Indian Hindu culture. If they prefer not to integrate they should leave India.

The BJP:

It was established in 1951 and until 1980, was known as the Bharatiya Jana Sangh (BJS). It was set up as a political wing of the RSS.

The BJP is part of the Sangh Parivar, which is the family of Hindu fundamentalist organizations spawned and led by the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS).
The party began to appeal to Hindu activists by criticizing measures it considered as pandering to minorities. For instance, it advocated the repeal of the special status given to the occupied Muslim majority state of Jammu and Kashmir.One campaign that gained prominence was the effort to convert members of the untouchable castes back to Hinduism from Islam.It was also the BJP which, in 1984, decided to take up the case for tearing down Babri Masjid (PUT LINK) in Ayodhya and on its ruins, erecting a Hindu temple.

December that year, inspired by BJP politicians', 200,000 Hindu militants shouting "Hindustan is for the Hindus" and "Death to the Muslims" stormed the Babri mosque and using sledgehammers, picks, and bare hands destroyed the mosque.

The VHP:

The VHP was founded in 1964.

Since 1984, the VHP was and remains at the forefront of the campaign to "reclaim" Babri Masjid )PUT LINK. It has encouraged villagers throughout India to hold religious ceremonies to consecrate bricks made out of their own clay and send them to be used in the construction of the Ramjanmabhoomi Temple in Ayodhya.

For over a decade now, VHP has branches in US, with their headquarter in the state of Connecteue. VHP is registered as a charitable organization under IRS Section 501-3-C. Every year VHP (USA) collects millions of dollars in tax-exempt donation from Hindus living in US. Every year top leaders of VHP visit US for fundraising campaigns. These funds are used directly for VHP's violent campaigns to terrorize Muslims and Christians in India and to attack their places of worship.

Shiv Sena:

Shiv Sena meaning Army of Shiva, referring to Shivaji) is a nationalist political party in India founded on June 19, 1966 by Bal Thackeray, who is currently the president of the party.
The Sena's ideology is based on the concepts of 'Bhumiputra' (Marathi for "Sons of the Soil") and Hindutva or Hindu nationalism. The 'Bhumiputra' ideology refers to the Shiv Sena's belief that Maharashtrians deserve more rights in Maharashtra than those who are not from Maharashtra.

In the 1970s, Shiv Sena members were accused as responsible for killing Krishna Desai, CPI MLA from the Parel neighbourhood in Central Mumbai.

The Shiv Sena has also been accused of orchestrating violence against Muslims. The Sena is alleged by some to have played an active role in the riots in Mumbai following the demolition of the Babri Mosque in 1992 in the north-Indian holy city of Ayodhya.

On 23 January 1993, the then Congress-led Government of Maharashtra made a commission with the task of investigating the riots. The Commission indicted the Sena for its direct involvement in coordinating the anti-Muslim riots, and accused Thackeray of "commanding his loyal Shiv Sainiks to retaliate by organized attacks against Muslims.

Additionally, as part of their efforts to hamper any collaboration between Pakistan and Hindustan, Shiv Sainiks have damaged cricket pitches in stadiums where the Indian and Pakistani cricket team were scheduled to play. The two instances of the Sena's targeting pitches are the damage of the pitch at Mumbai's Wankhede Stadium in 1991 and the vandalizing of the Feroz Shah Kotla Grounds pitch in national capital Delhi in 1999.

Writer Suketu Mehta discussed the Shiv Sena in Maximum City, his 2004 book on Mumbai. Mehta interviewed Bal Thackeray and a number of street-level Shiv Sena members, and claims that they admitted to "gang violence on Muslims".

There are several other small hindu millitant groups in Hindustan but I have just mentioned the main groups.

There is a saying: " If u want to convert any Untruth into Truth then simply keep on saying the Untruth" and this is what the International Media is doing and on the other hand our media can not repeat the Truth even.

In the end I just want to thank Allah that Mohandas Gandhi, Indira Gandhi and Rajive Gandhi assassinated before 9/11 attacks, otherwise Hindustan would have had accused so called Pakistani-based muslim-millitants and I am sure enough that hindustani media can prove it too, although Mohandas Gandhi assassinated in Delhi by a Hindu fanatic and in response to desecration of the Golden Temple, two of Indira Gandhi's Sikh bodyguards assassinated her and a woman belonged to LTTE assassinated Rajive Gandhi.







take care buddy but dont get hardfeeling its a discussion forum.

[vakibs]

Hi Abdul Mujeeb



I agree there are nutcases everywhere. But these extremist rightwing Hindu organizations don't have a reasonable following in India. If people of India really were extremists, we would be seeing continuous bloodshed like what happens in Israel and Palastene.



It is an obvious fact that India is a liberal country. This is exactly the reason why we have so much tolerance for diverging views. In a hardcore Islamic country (Saudi Arabia/Taleban Afghanistan/Iran etc) (a) women without burkhas are routinely harassed (b) suspected homosexuals are hanged (c) polytheists are oppressed (d) atheists are put in prison (e) any person saying anything against Quran/Islam is tortured and killed



Imagine the same rules being applied in India !! Imagine anybody saying anything against hindu gods getting hanged. Thank your stars that you are living here, and that India is not like that. I am not here to debate about what is great and what is not.



We are a liberal country and we accept all human beings as equal, and all religions as equal. Most importantly, we don't care what other people do or believe in. We all mind our own business.



Muslims should also accept this simple fact. If not, there will obviously be a conflict. I am really appalled by the number of Muslim leaders who give rabid speeches against the principles of liberalism. I looked at the videos of Zakir Naik on the web. I am not here to dispute his scholarly studies. I don't really care. But he is definitely anti-liberal. It is a very dangerous path for Muslims to follow people like him.

[Abdul mujeeb]

Hi vakibs,



As u said obvious fact that inida is a liberal country. but my friend its not just obvious fact to get liberal we struggle hard our fore father blood may be millions of life gone for this liberal.



now here i want to kind attention you that can u show me that muslims tore or (burn holy books like in gujrat riots hindus did and many times they did )or abuse any other religion.



islam always say liberal for everyone not against it, as u said that muslims harrasing muslim womens when they not wear hijab can u tell me y sathi is burn alive withe her husband dead body now tell me which is the wrost thing, in the olden days men's keep womens like a use n through thing who gave the liberal for the womens first n first only ISLAM, womens like slaves there is no right even to say something a single word who gave them right to be equal with men its ISLAM



In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust





The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:









Babylonian Civilization:

The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.



Greek Civilization:

Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.



Roman Civilization:

When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.



Egyptian Civilization:

The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.



Pre-Islamic Arabia:

Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.





[/b]Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?



Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.



Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?





I agree to that in afghanistan they force the womens to wear veil, but ISLAM not tell every muslim to force them according to their family they can restrict but other then that no one has right to force to wear veil.

so my friend there is lot of things to say but time is not enough and its very waste topic also this is only for ur comments on women.

the rest of the other things i can give u answers if you need or u realise its enough to know.

take care byeeee......

[vakibs]

I don't want to discuss about which society gave more rights to women etc. That discussion is pointless. It is no use looking back at all the wrongs commited in history. We should always look forwards to the future. In the current system of Indian democracy, every person has some rights as a citizen. This includes freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc.



Liberalism means not caring about what other people do or believe in. Basically, this means you should not care about whether other women wear veil or not, whether a person engages in homosexuality or not, whether a person gets dressed decently or not, whether a person is religious or not, whether a person is idolator or not etc.. It is none of nobody's business. It is only the business of the individual. Can you just mind your own business and be a good Muslim ? Ofcourse, you can. That is exactly what any religion teaches you to do.



In a liberal country, no religion will be under attack . People will be free to do what they want, and there is no compulsion. Ofcourse, there will always be some wise people and some foolish people. But nobody bothers about other people's business.



It is stupid to demand these rights of liberalism when one is not a liberal oneself. So, let's all of us strive to be liberals.

[Shaikh]

Orgnl question by Ishi:
Hi Friends....
can anyone tell me what's the nature of God as discussed in ISLAM





Once a person asked Caliph Ali (RAA) that how he knows God or how he finds God?



Hz. Ali replied to him that I know God from the breaking of my plans and intentions. That I like to do something and it can not be done, I plan for something and my plans don't work. So I find that the power of God and the qudrat of God is there to block my actions and desires. I find God in the breaking of my plans.



The above is more or less the meaning of a saying by Caliph Ali (RAA) you can also read Surah Noor of Holy Quraan.



best of luck.!!

[opinion]

Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached - Pope Benedict XVI in September 2006

[opinion]

Can you just mind your own business and be a good Muslim ? Ofcourse, you can. That is exactly what any religion teaches you to do.

Wrong, they cannot. They have to butt their noses in every other persons bottom.

[Abdul mujeeb]

yes Mohammed (pubh) brought new thing that is faith in one, without any materialistic or human made idol who made with their hands every part of their god or nature given things beside the true one not more then that





our people already challenged Pope Benedict XVI for debate if he has guts to accept the challege othewise keep quite putting finger on lips n not to raise finger on other person or religion.



when said like that then y he apologize after that may be he scared.



ofcourse we r doing our business due to some mischevious people interfear we have to take care our business.



c u buddy dont be hardfeelings.

buddy for telling many things r there