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by tfb » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:59 am

V wrote:i guess tfb will soon opt for going to Lebanon and start fighting against the Israelis.

Just like his brothers had thought to do, when America went on war with Iraq.
So many brothers of tfb from our country and from the world around, were ready to go to Iraq and fight against the Eagle head and they had even started training themselves..........Pathetic isn't it :lol: :lol: :lol:

Soon we will be seeing no more of tfb.


btw........... did someone really go there ????
tfb....... you know anyone ?




If you cant confront the truth , people here would appreciate if you dont show your parasitical instincts by accusing me of something not related to the topic of discussion and accusing me of the being anti The body you are a parasite in.



Mango,



I am not making accusations here , I am bringing out the facts , its for you to make conclusions.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:34 am

tfb wrote:but Hezbollah denied the accusation.

If Hezbollah did not fire the rockets, however, who did? Is it a fabricated story being used by Israel to launch more offensives into Lebanon, because minutes after the story was revealed, and despite Hezbollah's denial, Israel jets raided fuel tanks at Beirut airport.





Ofcourse, the Hezbollah never lies! If they have said they didnt launch rockets, then it is true. Nevermind the fact that Hezbollah had been doing these for years... firing Iranian MRLS Katyushas into Israel. Israel must have bought them from Iran to bomb its own citizens:roll:
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by mango » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:18 am

tfb wrote:

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I am not making accusations here , I am bringing out the facts , its for you to make conclusions.




facts? how do you claim that this is a fact? lets define fact:

In science 'fact' is an objective and verifiable observation. It is usually contrasted to a theory, which is an explanation of or interpretation of facts. In the philosophy of science, it has often been called into question (famously by Thomas Kuhn, but by others as well) whether scientific facts are always "theory-laden" to some degree (as knowing what facts to measure, and how to measure them, requires some presupposition about the facts themselves). In the field of science studies, "scientific facts" are generally understood to be entities which exist within complex social structures of trust, accreditation, institutions, and individual practices.



Source: Wikipedia.com



So, by the above defintion, your claim of facts is negated. Next assertion please.
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by mango » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:26 am

You are generating a theory.. not bringing out any facts.
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by tfb » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:10 am

mango wrote:You are generating a theory.. not bringing out any facts.




Quoting from http://www.forbes.com and Asian Times is engineering a theory, so much for being intentionally dumb!! :roll: :roll:
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by tfb » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:14 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:

firing Iranian MRLS Katyushas into Israel. Israel must have bought them from Iran to bomb its own citizens:roll:




Source would be appreciated rather than bedtime stories to the ignorant here, people here are questioning valid news sources here your arbitrary statements would stand no chance whatsoever in this discussion.
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by mango » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:05 am

tfb wrote:
Quoting from http://www.forbes.com and Asian Times is engineering a theory, so much for being intentionally dumb!! :roll: :roll:




the quote frigging says that hezbollah denied it. and i'm supposed to believe that? don't give me bullshit about it being a fact. you have no proof that israel fired the rockets. until you show me this from a third party, i have no choice but to call BS.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:07 am

tfb wrote:Source would be appreciated rather than bedtime stories to the ignorant here, people here are questioning valid news sources here your arbitrary statements would stand no chance whatsoever in this discussion.




Sources for what? That Israel is being bombarded by MLRS or that the MLRS is Katyusha or that Iran makes Katyushas or that Katyushas are modified russian MLRS. What do you want a source for?



Do you really need a source to prove that Israel is being bombed? Hezbollah has always bragged about it.



Now what rockets are these? How would one know?

Even military enthusiasts do not have problems recognizing most of the weapons, so I am sure Israel, being number one army in Mideast, has any difficulty identifying the rockets as katyusha.



Does Hezbollah make its own MLRS?

No. Hezbollah is a terrorrist group which can only buy weapons from foreign countries. So someone is supplying them these rockets. Now who could that be? Which foreign country makes Katyushas? The answer is one google search away. Iran!



Why would Iran supply rockets to a terrorrist organization?

Same reason why stingers were supplied by US to Afghan Mujahideen. Proxy war. Iran has publicly avowed to destroy Israel and Hezbollah is a tool they are using through Syria.



PS: The rocket attack on Israeli ship last week was actually a cruise missile attack. Its C-802 (Tomahawk knock off) made by China and sold to Iran which was passed on to Hezbollah.
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by tfb » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:28 am

So we have to take whetever you have said literally, those military enthusiats could be quoted , those claims and theories you made could be quoted if they have any credence , to me without any reliable source it makes it look like hallucinations and concoctions as a reslut of seeing the world thru the hatred towards the an obvious section of the society.
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by Ramya » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:01 am

Why do we have to get personal when somebody has an opposing point of view? Just because somebody is anti-Israel, everyone else on this forum is at his throat.



Let's look at it this way - Arch posted a number of news excerpts. Now i am very much opposed to the Israeli actions but those excerpts made me stop and think, look at the other viewpoint too. But when tfb also posted some excerpts (and quoted the sources) everyone just denounced the accuracy of the sources.



See, me and everyone else on this forum too is educated enough and net savvy enough to find as many articles supporting Israel as opposing it. So instead of blindly going by either set of articles, maybe we should just stop and thinking of the other viewpoint too. These articles provide you with facts/theories/opinions. We shouldn't be swalloing them as they come but learn to look at the more objectively.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:15 am

Ramya wrote:Just because somebody is anti-Israel, everyone else on this forum is at his throat.




Its not the opinion itself that matters but its why you have that opinion. I would have respected tfb's opinion if it had come out of genuine concern for human lives and not just that of muslims but also that of Israelis. Just look around and you see umpteen posts about how muslims around the world are being victimized but not a word on how world is sufferring at the hands of Islamic terrorrists. And even if they had a word of sympathy, it is qualified by a 'you know it was all started by you'.
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by V » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:46 am

tfb wrote:
Mayavi Morpheus wrote:

firing Iranian MRLS Katyushas into Israel. Israel must have bought them from Iran to bomb its own citizens:roll:


Source would be appreciated rather than bedtime stories to the ignorant here, people here are questioning valid news sources here your arbitrary statements would stand no chance whatsoever in this discussion.
















http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Hezboll ... h_999.html



Hezbollah A Force To Be Reckoned With



by Staff Writers
London (AFP) Jul 17, 2006








The Hezbollah militia, backed by Syria and Iran, is a powerful force set on inflicting as much damage as possible on Israel and able to call on thousands of rockets, missiles and fighters, experts say.

"They definitely do have very strong capabilities...More than anything, I would say they have resolve. They have quite strong determination," Krista Weigand, visiting scholar at the London School of Economics, told AFP.



"They believe they are a legitimate resistance movement."



Founded in 1982 in response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon, the Shiite Muslim group kidnapped two Israeli soldiers on Wednesday, triggering waves of Israeli bombing that have so far left nearly 200 people dead and closed Beirut's airport.



In its unrelenting drive against Israel Hezbollah retains financial, military and ideological support from Syria and Iran, whose new firebrand President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel's destruction.



"There's no doubt that they (Iran) were instrumental in setting Hezbollah up," said Alex Bigham, a London-based Iran analyst at the Foreign Policy Centre.



"Evidence has been produced of military support, and there is also ideological support as well."



Weigand and Bigham said Iran contributed about 100 million dollars a year to Hezbollah, much of which is used for social programmes, but some is held for military purposes.



Quoting Israeli intelligence sources, the London specialist magazine Jane's Defence Weekly said Hezbollah probably had a total of 10,000 to 15,000 rockets provided by Syria and Iran.



The estimates square with claims made by the militia's leader, Hassan Nasrallah on May 23, when he said Hezbollah held 12,000 rockets.



Mustafa Alani, security director at the Dubai-based Gulf Research Centre (GRC), said Hezbollah possessed the Katyusha-122 rocket, which has a range of 29 kilometres (18 miles) and carries a 15 kilo (33 pound) warhead.

Hezbollah also possesses about 100 long-range missiles, some of which could hit Tel Aviv, the economic centre and site of many government buildings, experts said.



They include the Iranian-made Fajr-3 and Fajr-5, the latter with a range of 75 kilometres, enabling it to strike the Israeli port of Haifa, and the Zelsal-1 with an estimated 150-kilometre range, which includes Tel Aviv.



Fajr-3 missiles have a range of 40 kilometres, and a 45 kilo warhead, and Fajr-5 missiles, which extend to 72 kilometres, also hold 45 kilo warheads, Alani said.



According to Alani, the longer-range Fajr missiles would have a limited impact were they to hit a concrete buiding, barely penetrating the walls.



They would, however, cause damage similar to the attacks on the northern Israeli city of Haifa, where eight people were killed by a missile, were they to hit buildings with wooden roofs, Alani said.



These missiles "have more of a psychological impact, not a military impact," Alani told AFP.



Israel's military strategy of bombing transportation routes to prevent Hezbollah from moving the two kidnapped Israeli soldiers, and also to limit its ability to move rockets, may soon have to give way to a ground offensive, Colin Shindler at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) said.



"The problem for Israel is that missiles are coming over the border and they seem to be reaching further into Israel on each day," said Shindler, a specialist in Israeli and Modern Jewish studies at SOAS in London.



"If that continues, Israel will go in and attempt to clear a broad swathe of territory above the Israel-Lebanon border."



Were Israel to invade Lebanon in an attempt to push Hezbollah back, they would likely encounter a militia made up of about 1,000 full-time Hezbollah members, along with a further 6,000-10,000 so-called volunteers, according to the GRC's Alani.



"If Israel invaded, we could see all those people involved, if not more," he said.



"This could drive a recruitment policy to get more volunteers."



By contrast, Israel's military is made up of more than 170,000 full-time soldiers, along with 408,000 reservists, according to The Military Balance, published by the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London.



In addition to that, it has more than 400 combat-ready aircraft, and along with its missile armoury, Israel also has nuclear capability with an estimated 200 warheads.



What then, are the chances of a peaceful resolution to a conflict bringing together Israel and a militia that was founded specifically to oppose it?



According to some analysts, none.



"Israel has expressed no interest in a rapid ceasefire, and even more importantly, the U.S. has made it quite clear that it would like this conflict to continue, to provide Israel with the opportunity to succeed," said Mouin Rabbani, a senior Middle East analyst at the International Crisis Group.



"There is no prospect of a mediated resolution."





Source: Agence France-Presse









If media is prrof to u............... i guess this should give enough proof that who is supplying weapons to whom and of what kind.
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by Ramya » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:34 pm

Mayavi Morpheus: Its not the opinion itself that matters but its why you have that opinion. I would have respected tfb's opinion if it had come out of genuine concern for human lives and not just that of muslims but also that of Israelis.



How do you know tfb's concern is only for Muslims? And if it is, is that so wrong? When something happens in a foreign land, our primary concern is for fellow Indians, though we are concerned about other human lives too. (For example, when 9/11 happened, all the newspapers here highlighted stories/tragedies of Indians who were victims of the attack). And for most people, after their nationality, religion is their next biggest identity. So is it so surprising that someone should react strongly to Muslim lives being lost?



In fact, the root of the entire Israel - Palestine problem is religion, isn't it? So how can one not expect religous sentiments to play a role here? Why do you think Jews in the US hesitate to condemn Israel's policies?



Edgar Bronfman Sr, the president of the World Jewish Congress, was accused of ‘perfidy’ when he wrote a letter to President Bush in mid-2003 urging him to persuade Israel to curb construction of its controversial ‘security fence’. His critics said that ‘it would be obscene at any time for the president of the World Jewish Congress to lobby the president of the United States to resist policies being promoted by the government of Israel.’

Similarly, when the president of the Israel Policy Forum, Seymour Reich, advised Condoleezza Rice in November 2005 to ask Israel to reopen a critical border crossing in the Gaza Strip, his action was denounced as ‘irresponsible’: ‘There is,’ his critics said, ‘absolutely no room in the Jewish mainstream for actively canvassing against the security-related policies . . . of Israel.’ Recoiling from these attacks, Reich announced that ‘the word “pressure” is not in my vocabulary when it comes to Israel.’





The link from where i got the above: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
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great job tfb

by indiabo » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:16 pm

i fully support ramya for her view point that here in this blokes wanna show off there nationalism by appreciating israel



how ?



As so nationalistic parties have been appreciating israel from long times becaude of its iron fist against its enemies. I am no where reclining at the terrorism or kiling innoscenrt but on the same hand i would likev to say that killing is not the answer to killing and ofcourse not like israel by destroying infrastructures, bridges and homes.



I would like to request arch to add a vote here for in support 2 parties plz



and in the end well beyond commenting have a analysis on the birth of israel, there torture un reports and there occupation.



its birth is well documented.
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WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS?

by Cragg » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:44 pm

for the narrow minded american A***** and other ignorant fools





ISRAELIS vs ARABS

WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS?

By: Hal Turner



North Bergen, NJ USA -- For years, we in America have supported Israel both financially and militarily because we perceived they were the innocent victims of hostile and violent neighbors. The US media has, for years, provided extensive coverage of every incident involving Arab-against-Israeli violence. From shootings, to car bombs to suicide bombers, we in America have seen it all. Or have we?



Why would rational human beings, given a choice, choose to attack their neighbors rather than live together in peace? More pertinent, why would a rational human being choose to blow himself up rather than live? The Israelis, the US media and our politicians would have us believe that the Arabs are simply not rational. They routinely tell us that Arabs are "religious fanatics" who "hate freedom" or "hate our way of life" to quote George W. Bush. These arguments are fallacious and intellectually bankrupt.



The reason for Arab against Israeli violence is simple: The Israelis have been systematically repressing and brutalizing hundreds of thousands of Arabs on a scale unparalleled since World War 2. I have the proof.



Below are photographs of the victims of Israeli violence. They depict brutal, violent death, horrific personal injury and devastation of property which is simply unfathomable. ALL of it was perpetrated by Israelis against Arabs. ALL of the victims are civilians.



As you view these pictures ask yourself this question: What would YOU or YOUR LOVED ONES do in retaliation for these things?











http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html
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by Akshay » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:06 pm

OK genius...



As Ramya said...there are umpteen articles present on the web to show biased views. You have made your biases clear on this MB and I have made mine too. You are pro terrorists and I am against.



your pictures of maimed humans just nauseats everyone. You want me to post the pictures of victims of islamic terrorism? Then lets debate which victims were maimed the worse. Lets race to the bottom.



Stop deluding yourself that rationality is a muslim monopoly.



ask why rational democratic israelis suspect and are violent against the suicidal and murderous theocratic neighboring arabs despite 30% of its population being arab with full religious freedom, which none of your friendly arab fidels offer to any minority in their lands.



As an exercise to your rigid mind also question why french, spaniards, germans, brits, indians, phillipinians, russians, darfurians, indonesians, malasians, hindus, christians, jews, animists, atheists and every other kafir is turning hostile to the nuisance of the vocal and violent minority among muslims. Remember, I hold no grudge against the silent peace loving muslim majority, it is just the violent muslim minority that I am complaining against.



And as you never utter anything against your cross border terrorist brothers, I will take it that you believe the Lashkars and Jaishs are as rational as you are.
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by Akshay » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:18 pm

Ramya wrote:Why do we have to get personal when somebody has an opposing point of view? Just because somebody is anti-Israel, everyone else on this forum is at his throat.

Let's look at it this way - Arch posted a number of news excerpts. Now i am very much opposed to the Israeli actions but those excerpts made me stop and think, look at the other viewpoint too. But when tfb also posted some excerpts (and quoted the sources) everyone just denounced the accuracy of the sources.

See, me and everyone else on this forum too is educated enough and net savvy enough to find as many articles supporting Israel as opposing it. So instead of blindly going by either set of articles, maybe we should just stop and thinking of the other viewpoint too. These articles provide you with facts/theories/opinions. We shouldn't be swalloing them as they come but learn to look at the more objectively.






Ramya: Very good points. Objectivity is exactly what others are demanding from terrorist sympathisers.
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by Akshay » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:27 pm

Ramya wrote:Mayavi Morpheus: Its not the opinion itself that matters but its why you have that opinion. I would have respected tfb's opinion if it had come out of genuine concern for human lives and not just that of muslims but also that of Israelis.

How do you know tfb's concern is only for Muslims? And if it is, is that so wrong? When something happens in a foreign land, our primary concern is for fellow Indians, though we are concerned about other human lives too. (For example, when 9/11 happened, all the newspapers here highlighted stories/tragedies of Indians who were victims of the attack). And for most people, after their nationality, religion is their next biggest identity. So is it so surprising that someone should react strongly to Muslim lives being lost?

In fact, the root of the entire Israel - Palestine problem is religion, isn't it? So how can one not expect religous sentiments to play a role here? Why do you think Jews in the US hesitate to condemn Israel's policies?




There is nothing wrong in alligning concerns with who so ever one chooses. What is wrong is the attemt to fraudulently garner subjective public sympathy by false display of objectiveness.



As there is nothing wrong in having subjective concerns so there is nothing wrong in holding the concerned to task for his/her concerns harming to general population.



But I do agree with you the opinions are now dramatically polarised on this forum, your attempt for moderation is appreaciated.
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Re: great job tfb

by Akshay » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:55 pm

indiabo wrote:i fully support ramya for her view point that here in this blokes wanna show off there nationalism by appreciating israel

how ?

As so nationalistic parties have been appreciating israel from long times becaude of its iron fist against its enemies. I am no where reclining at the terrorism or kiling innoscenrt but on the same hand i would likev to say that killing is not the answer to killing and ofcourse not like israel by destroying infrastructures, bridges and homes.

I would like to request arch to add a vote here for in support 2 parties plz

and in the end well beyond commenting have a analysis on the birth of israel, there torture un reports and there occupation.

its birth is well documented.




Killing is not gonna solve any problem. The terrorist problem is more like an abstract mental pandemic. The only way is to cleanse the hard feelings and polluted minds.



But that doesnt mean we sit tight and get killed until the minds of terrorists and their sympathisers are cleansed. We got to hold our position, even if it be violently, untill the pandemic is cured by appropriate means. As the israelis say, before human rights come survival rights.



I agree the israeli demographics are glaringly incongruent in arab context. But then so are the caucasians in Americas, caucasians in Africa, Arabs from libya to sudan and so on. Israel is not the first case of demographic turbulence. What has to be accepted is that Israel is irreversible. Using creation of Israel as the reason for coninual arab initiated violence is obsolete at the best and fatal at the worst.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:56 pm

Ramya wrote:How do you know tfb's concern is only for Muslims?

By reading his posts.

And if it is, is that so wrong?

What is wrong is that when religion is involved, you cannot tell from right and wrong. Ojectivity is lost. See what is happening in India... no muslim is ready to believe that SIMI and LeT are involved. They do not believe government and every asks for proof. Do they expect intelligence agences to go door to door of every muslims and convince them?

When something happens in a foreign land, our primary concern is for fellow Indians, though we are concerned about other human lives too. (For example, when 9/11 happened, all the newspapers here highlighted stories/tragedies of Indians who were victims of the attack).


Yes, and no Indian news paper, not even MilliGazette, supported the 19 terrorrists who died just because they were muslims. See the difference?

And for most people, after their nationality, religion is their next biggest identity. So is it so surprising that someone should react strongly to Muslim lives being lost?


During Gujarat riots that ensured after Godhra train carnage 780 muslims were killed and 200 Hindus died in police shooting (Parliament report). I did not have any sympathy for the 200 dead hindus, nor did majority of the Indian Hindu population. I have not seen anyone shed tears for them on discussion boards.

Similarly, in Pakistan, Baloch tribes are fighting against repressive pak army. The Pakistani army inturn bombed them from air and in the process they hit two hindu temples and killed hundreds of Hindus. I do not hate either pakistani muslims or Indian muslims for that.

In WTC attack in 2001, 250 Hindus died. I do not hold Indian muslims or Arabs responsible for that.

So yes, it is surprising to me when people support Lebanese muslims without a word of sympathy for Israelis. Afterall, Hezbollah would not have existed in numbers in Lebanon without the tacit approval of its muslim population. Heck, it is even a part of the government.

In fact, the root of the entire Israel - Palestine problem is religion, isn't it? So how can one not expect religous sentiments to play a role here?

I am neither muslim not jew, so which side should I be?

Why do you think Jews in the US hesitate to condemn Israel's policies?


First of all, Israel is Jewish homeland while Lebanon is not the Indian muslim homeland. Second, may be Israel is right given the circumstances.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:25 pm

Akshay wrote:Remember, I hold no grudge against the silent peace loving muslim majority, it is just the violent muslim minority that I am complaining against.




There is a telugu saying, Maunam Ardha Angeekaram. Silence is the same as approval. So as long as the silent majority do not make their voices heard I am not going to believe that they are opposed to the violent actions of minority. I have seen many muslim leaders condemning terrorrist actions in public, but what does it achieve? Nothing! Its political stunt at best, like pakistan condemning the bomb blasts which it itself sponsored. What I want to see is the muslim community reforming itself from within chucking out the bad elements in the process. When you know that one among you is upto something bad, do not look the otherway. Take action. The onus lies solely on the muslim community.



Look at Gujarat, post godhra riots, the people involved in trying to bring justice to muslim victims are majority Hindus. Hindus from all over the country voiceferously opposed Gujarat riots and they just didn't issue statements, they have seen that such things are not repeated and are trying to get the victims justice. When Narendra Modi steps out of gujrat, its Hindus along with muslims that are at the forefront of the protests. Its Hindus along with evangelists that ensured that he didn't get visa to US. Although this kinda community involvement does not entirely solve the problem, it does keep such incidents under check.



For every Hindu Fundamentalist organization like RSS, Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dal we have NGO's with secular agenda protecting the minority rights. But where are the muslim equivalents of secular NGO's for SIMI and the numerous other muslim fundamentalist organizations? None. That is the sad part.
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wel....

by Sachin » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:29 pm

Lets look at this problem from another context, I agree Israel's birth did not come in the best possible circumstances but now do you want to fight over it till you die?

Well Hezbollah is a terrorist group and anyone who supports them are illogical to the core. These guys have been fighting it out over decades and innocent people have been the victims.

Now you people are crying foul over the death of lebanese where did your tears go when Israeli Olmpic team's 9 people were brutally killed in 1972? Were they not innocent? They were attacked and killed brutally when they were supposed to play for there country the following week?

Israel hit back with MOSSAD and I support them. Lebanon, Syria and Iran are trying to overpower it and Israel has every right in defending herself.

And TFB is bringing religion into this discussion which is not apt.
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Re: wel....

by Akshay » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:37 pm

Sachin wrote:Lets look at this problem from another context, I agree Israel's birth did not come in the best possible circumstances but now do you want to fight over it till you die?
Well Hezbollah is a terrorist group and anyone who supports them are illogical to the core. These guys have been fighting it out over decades and innocent people have been the victims.
Now you people are crying foul over the death of lebanese where did your tears go when Israeli Olmpic team's 9 people were brutally killed in 1972? Were they not innocent? They were attacked and killed brutally when they were supposed to play for there country the following week?
Israel hit back with MOSSAD and I support them. Lebanon, Syria and Iran are trying to overpower it and Israel has every right in defending herself.
And TFB is bringing religion into this discussion which is not apt.




LOL...sachin that is one obsolete retort, if ever there was one. Most of us were probably not conceived back then.
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by tfb » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:02 am

I have seen many muslim leaders condemning terrorrist actions in public, but what does it achieve? Nothing! Its political stunt at bes


Thats the best they could do , are you saying that Muslims are not being killed in the Blasts , they are equal victims of these incidents , and whats the reason behind asking Muslims leaders to condemn everything, up to a point where it becomes customary.

What I want to see is the muslim community reforming itself from within chucking out the bad elements in the process. When you know that one among you is upto something bad, do not look the otherway. Take action. The onus lies solely on the muslim community.


We dont know if there is any bad guy , its not as obvious as a Hindu nieghbour killing his Muslim neighbours with the complicity of state police as was very evident in Gujarat, then you know that the bad guy is the bad guy.

Here we have a blast which no one knows who is behind Let or Shiv Sena or VHP or RSS , the police obviously picks up some Muslim youth , tortures them day in and day out,at the end of the day they will even confess to having bombed the Hiroshima..:roll: :roll: and thats when we come to know that a ordinary Muslim person living to make both ends meet is a bad guy , so its the otherw ayaround the police decides who is a bad guy

You talk about the society , what did vast majority of the Hindu society do to Modi in Gujarat , they elected him back to power and gave him more time to carry out the carnage and genocide of Muslims in Gujarat, some Hindu fundamnetalists cant get over the idea of having him to be the Prime Minister of the Hindu Rasthra(Hindu Nation) as they like to see it in future.

Genocide was being carried for months who oppsed it, I didnt see any Hindus or anybody pour onto the streets to oppose the genocide of their fellow Indians who happened to be Muslims.

For every Hindu Fundamentalist organization like RSS, Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dal we have NGO's with secular agenda protecting the minority rights. But where are the muslim equivalents of secular NGO's for SIMI and the numerous other muslim fundamentalist organizations? None. That is the sad part.




This is a very contradictory statement, we have secular NGOs of which muslims are members , are you(Hindu Fundamentalists) taking the credit for secular NGOs as well , when secularism itself is the punching bag of all the criminal minded Hindu Fundamnetalists all over India.



Show me a exclusively Hindu organization which protested the genocide of Muslims in Gujarat , which opposed Modi's appearances at different places to foment violence, name one exclusive Hindu organization.



At the end of the day its the hatred for others that makes people see what they want to and willfully ignore the facts just because they hate a section of society. This is sick and criminal minded of the Hidnu fundamentalists to say the least. Be it supporting the genocide of Muslims in Gujarat under Modi or the present bombings of schools ,hospitals, orphanages, power palnts and the extermination of the whole country of Lebanon , they have one common reason for Hindu fundamentalists to celebrate and rejoice, the fact that the victims are Muslims be it their own Indian brothers and sisters or Muslims anywhere in the world.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:02 am

Yeah, its an old incident and its over. Both sides indulged in killing innocent people, lot of blood was shed and is continuing to be shed. Best way to move forward is to stop unnecessary blood shed especially that of innocent people. Unfortunately the terrorrists are not strong enough to take on a powerful army like that of Israel, so they kill innocents and Israel will always retaliate to survive and innocent will die.
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