Fatwa against singing Vande Mataram

[patriotic kavya]

HYDERABAD: With the new academic year set to start next week and the admission process at its peak, several city--based muftis issued a fatwa on Tuesday asking Muslims not to admit their children in schools where Vande Mataram is sung every morning. Children who are already studying in such institutions must be immediately shifted to other schools, the fatwa ordered.



Muftis, including All--India Sunni Ulema Board president Moulana Syed Shah Badruddin Qadri Aljeelani, Moulana Mohammed Hasnuddin, Moulana Mohammed Mastan Ali, Nazima Aziz and Rizwana Zarreen of Jamiat--ul--Mominath, jointly issued the fatwa when some parents approached them seeking a shariah ruling on Vande Mataram. Several schools in the city start their day with a recital of the national song. “Vande Mataram was written by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee.



It emphasises that Indians treat their land as God. Ours is a secular country. Asking Muslims to do something like this cannot be advocated,” Moulana Badruddin Qadri Aljeelani told TOI after issuing the fatwa.



Even if these institutions offer quality education, they cannot force students to violate the shariah norms. Muslims cannot compromise on Kalma--e--Tayyaba, the basic pillar of Islam which says there is only one God and Mohammed is the Prophet, he added.



Parents sending their children to such schools are committing the 'Gunaah--e--Kabira'. Hence, stay away from schools which are not secular, advised Mastan Ali. According to Islam, there is only one God.



The moment one starts believing in more than one God, it is treated as Shirk (anti--Islam), said Moulana Mufti Hasnuddin. School authorities should not force Muslim children to either recite Vande Mataram or any other rendition which is prohibited in Islam, Mastan Ali added.

[samai]

They are called Islamofascists. They are here to rule and they understand that the rest of the world is pandering to them. Wherever they are in majority, they rule, and where they are in minority, they are pandered to and so, they rule. They are united in their cause, their cause being to rule the world.



Want to fight against these two-faced Islamofascists?



Unite with like-minded and fight. You will find scores of moderate muslims, me being one of them.

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why? why? why?



Aa beil mujhe maar...seems to be the motto of the fundamentalists



now even Congress will look silly if they try to justify this.

[gyanster]

I think Congress will support them...

[smack]

I think Congress will support them...

Dont think so.

[Sharjeel]

Baaaap!!!



Ye mulla logon ko kuchh kaam dhaam rehte ke nai? I think they should stick to praying.

[DQ]

haan ok - Vande Mataram



does any one know the meaning of the song, jut incase you dont here it is



Mother, I bow to thee!

Rich with thy hurrying streams,

bright with orchard gleams,

Cool with thy winds of delight,

Dark fields waving Mother of might,

Mother free.



Glory of moonlight dreams,

Over thy branches and lordly streams,

Clad in thy blossoming trees,

Mother, giver of ease

Laughing low and sweet!

Mother I kiss thy feet,

Speaker sweet and low!

Mother, to thee I bow.





Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands

When the sword flesh out in the seventy million hands

And seventy million voices roar

Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?

With many strengths who art mighty and stored,

To thee I call Mother and Lord!

Though who savest, arise and save!

To her I cry who ever her foeman drove

Back from plain and Sea

And shook herself free.





Thou art wisdom, thou art law,

Thou art heart, our soul, our breath

Though art love divine, the awe

In our hearts that conquers death.

Thine the strength that nervs the arm,

Thine the beauty, thine the charm.

Every image made divine

In our temples is but thine.







Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her
swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
And the Muse a hundred-toned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother lend thine ear,
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleems,
Dark of hue O candid-fair



In thy soul, with jewelled hair

And thy glorious smile divine,

Lovilest of all earthly lands,

Showering wealth from well-stored hands!

Mother, mother mine!

Mother sweet, I bow to thee,

Mother great and free!



Singing or not singing this what difference does it make.



firstly do you deem not singing this will make one unpatriotic ?

[DQ]

The composition consisting of words and music known as Jana Gana Mana is the National Anthem of India, subject to such alterations as the Government may authorise as occasion arises, and the song Vande Mataram, which has played a historic part in the struggle for Indian freedom, shall be honored equally with Jana Gana Mana and shall have equal status with it. (Applause) I hope this will satisfy members. (Constituent Assembly of India, Vol. XII, 24-1-1950)



now if the mullah wants people not to sing ask him to get this revoked in our constitution. if he cant simple people who prefer to sing can and those who dont can continue not to

[DQ]

How do you define united India?



As viewed through a pooh hole,

economic apartheid?

supporting demolotion and desecrition ?

Carrying out carnages in the name of good governance ?



We already have a good and united India, its this pooh hole vision that is threatining India

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Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her
swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
And the Muse a hundred-toned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother lend thine ear,
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleems,
Dark of hue O candid-fair
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if that ^^^ stanza is really a part of the song, then the objection can be understood. no sense asking non-hindus to sing abt Durga etc.

i thot it was just a song showing respect and reverence to India, personified as "Mother". what riled me (and most others, i assume) is the following statement in the press release:

...It emphasises that Indians treat their land as God...

what is wrong in that ^^^...? it doesnt mean the country is worshipped like a God literally. has anyone heard of ppl offering puja etc to a "Mother India"...? it just shows respect and reverence.



instead of making some stupid hare-brained statements like that, the ppl who object can quote the relevent text and explain why they cannot sing it.

[betty]

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Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her
swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
And the Muse a hundred-toned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother lend thine ear,
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleems,
Dark of hue O candid-fair
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if that ^^^ stanza is really a part of the song, then the objection can be understood. no sense asking non-hindus to sing abt Durga etc.

That stanza might be a part of the whole song which Bankim Chandra wrote as part of a novel on the national freedom struggle called 'Anandamath'.

However, for singing, it is only the first two stanzas which are used, i.e.:

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Mother, I bow to thee!

Rich with thy hurrying streams,

bright with orchard gleams,

Cool with thy winds of delight,

Dark fields waving Mother of might,

Mother free.



Glory of moonlight dreams,

Over thy branches and lordly streams,

Clad in thy blossoming trees,

Mother, giver of ease

Laughing low and sweet!

Mother I kiss thy feet,

Speaker sweet and low!

Mother, to thee I bow.

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Thanks DQ for posting the song in english.

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...That stanza might be a part of the whole song which Bankim Chandra wrote as part of a novel on the national freedom struggle called 'Anandamath'.
However, for singing, it is only the first two stanzas which are used, i.e.:...

u sure? that song seems really long when sung...

[Sharjeel]

...That stanza might be a part of the whole song which Bankim Chandra wrote as part of a novel on the national freedom struggle called 'Anandamath'.
However, for singing, it is only the first two stanzas which are used, i.e.:...

u sure? that song seems really long when sung...

The whole song is sung, but why should anyone care? It's not like we have to sing it in Hindi, which could have been objectionable to people of other religions.



I used to sing the famous Christian prayer: Our Father... is school. At one point, there were murmurs of protest, but then no one really did mind.



It is just one of the things that is too trivial to fuss with.

[Arch]

Ever heard of a song by Lata 'Allah tero naam, Eeshwar tero naam'? and Rafi's 'Paaun padu tore Shyam' (a private song)?



there are scores of songs where the singers emoted as believers of whatever they sang! How were they able to believe and accept other Indians and we are not able to accept? what's gone wrong with us, more so with those of us who are able to be much more educated than our fore-fathers? .. that we are fighting so? We have so much more of exposure to the whole wide world where we can adopt the best from varied cultures and leave the rest behind. Fighting on Vande Maataram !!!! Sheesh.



When I can take the name of Allah as commonly as I would of Bhagwan, why cant you too !?? I took to it as a simple hyderabadi! Isnt that what being a hyderabadi is all about, other than being born in hyderabad?



Let us not allow the politicians and whomsoever to not to undermine us by thinking that they can divide and rule us.

[Sharjeel]

When I can take the name of Allah as commonly as I would of Bhagwan, why cant you too !?? I took to it as a simple hyderabadi! Isnt that what being a hyderabadi is all about, other than being born in hyderabad?

Let us not allow the politicians and whomsoever to not to undermine us by thinking that they can divide and rule us.

It is not about taking the name of bhagwaan. Ever heard of any person complaining about that?



It is against the muslim religion to prostrate in front of any other entity except God. So, if a muslim says that he will prostrate before any thing, it is quite a big deal.



Our elders used to make us avoid singing songs which had verses like: Tujhko khuda bana diya, tere pairon mein sar rakh duun, etc. Even we, who are much much more liberal, skip over those verses, and even Cue them when they are playing.

[mango]

wait a minute.. does it really matter whether they sing it or not? i mean, if they choose not to and just place their hand over their heart or w/e is supposed to be done, then it isnt really a big deal now is it?

personally, i have to say the pledge of allegiance in school every monday morning. i have no problem with it, but even if people dont agree with the "one nation under god" they still stand up (well, some dont cuz they are _ and have no goddamn respect, but thats besides teh point) and place their hands on their hearts. i dont see any problem with that...

[Sachin]

Well it makes no difference if you sing the song or not? But why do you want to make such stupid statements? The song is sung in quite a few schools and it has been going on for so many decades. Why do you want to sound stupid and make such idiotic statements?

Sounds absurd to me!!!!

[Sharjeel]

For all the people who expres their disgust at what the mullahs said is completely stupid, here is a counter-point:



Have you ever been made to recite something, or do something which goes against your religion, in the name of the country?

[Sachin]

For all the people who expres their disgust at what the mullahs said is completely stupid, here is a counter-point:

Have you ever been made to recite something, or do something which goes against your religion, in the name of the country?

Hey Sharjeel god,religion,country are not above peace and people dude.

Did Bankim Chandra Chatterjee write Bane Mataram just for muslim kids to sing? wtf man!!!! talk sense!!!!

i do not want to sound rude but thats wat i feel?

is someone forcing you to sing the song?

[Reality]

For all the people who expres their disgust at what the mullahs said is completely stupid, here is a counter-point:

Have you ever been made to recite something, or do something which goes against your religion, in the name of the country?

Hey Sharjeel god,religion,country are not above peace and people dude.
Did Bankim Chandra Chatterjee write Bane Mataram just for muslim kids to sing? wtf man!!!! talk sense!!!!
i do not want to sound rude but thats wat i feel?
is someone forcing you to sing the song?

Sharjeel, a simple question to you.

Do u really mean all the explitives you use in life? Do not tell me that you dont cuss. When you can use cuss words, whats the big deal with signing a song?

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a question:



be honest. how many people here remember the lyrics of this entire song? who can sing it spontaneously like the national anthem?

[Reality]

a question:

be honest. how many people here remember the lyrics of this entire song? who can sing it spontaneously like the national anthem?

I surprised myself right now, and I am happy to say that I remembered.. I guess after effects of studying in an army institution.

[Sharjeel]

For all the people who expres their disgust at what the mullahs said is completely stupid, here is a counter-point:

Have you ever been made to recite something, or do something which goes against your religion, in the name of the country?

Hey Sharjeel god,religion,country are not above peace and people dude.
Did Bankim Chandra Chatterjee write Bane Mataram just for muslim kids to sing? wtf man!!!! talk sense!!!!
i do not want to sound rude but thats wat i feel?
is someone forcing you to sing the song?

Sharjeel, a simple question to you.
Do u really mean all the explitives you use in life? Do not tell me that you dont cuss. When you can use cuss words, whats the big deal with signing a song?

I mean it when I cuss, about 80% of the time, which is a high enough ration.



@Sachin: That is not the answer to my question.

[HotShorts]

singing or not singing a song is no indication of patriotism...its how u behave aftre india's defeat to pakistan in a match

[betty]

singing or not singing a song is no indication of patriotism...its how u behave aftre india's defeat to pakistan in a match

Well....behavious after a cricket match yeah....but not singing the national song also indicates that you don't want to belong toa country jsut because you belong to a certain religion.



However, religion is not above the country.

When you stay in a country, you very well abide by it's rules, or else you go to a place where only your religion is given importance above everything else. period.