http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/15/inter ... nted=print
3 More Die in Pakistan Cartoon Protests
By SALMAN MASOOD and JOHN O'NEIL
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Feb. 15 — Three more people were killed today, as tens of thousands of protesters, incensed at cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad, took to the streets in Pakistani cities for a third straight day, clashing with police and torching western businesses, media reports and officials said.
Today's killings brought the death toll from this week's protests to five.
The wave of violence shifted today to the northwestern city of Peshawar, close to the Afghan border, where thousands of enraged demonstrators wreaked havoc in marketplaces, vandalized property and scuffled with law-enforcement authorities.
The protests have also become enmeshed with Pakistani politics, as Islamic groups opposed to Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, have led the outcry and directed anger over the cartoons into denunciations of Mr. Musharraff's alliance with the West.
While opposition leaders responded to today's riots by calling for an end to violence, they have also scheduled more protests, building to a nationwide strike planned for March 3 by an alliance of Islamic groups.
Two people were killed today in Peshawar, and one in Lahore, where two people had died on Tuesday. Dozens of people were said to have been wounded today.
Violent demonstrations also took place in the town of Tank, where dozens of shops, music stores and Internet cafes were gutted. Protesters also exchanged gunfire with the frontier police, a paramilitary force, and large rallies were also staged in the central city of Faisalabad in Punjab province and the southern port city of Karachi.
The protests have grown steadily more ugly. Pakistan is a country where religious emotions have traditionally run high and anti-western sentiment has grown ever since Mr. Musharraf decided to ally with United States in its war against terrorism.
Blasphemy is a sensitive issue here and has been a cause of violent demonstrations and killings in the past. Under Pakistan's penal code, desecration of the Koran, the holy book of Muslims, is punishable by life imprisonment. Any insult to the Prophet Muhammad is punishable by death.
Protestors, enraged at the European press for republishing the cartoons that first appeared in a Danish newspaper, have targeted American businesses in Pakistan as well as attacking offices of Telenor, a Norwegian cellular phone company. They have asked for the expulsion of European ambassadors and the cutting off diplomatic ties with countries where cartoons have been published.
Telenor, which has been trying to establish itself in Pakistan, has scrambled to disassociate itself from the cartoons.
Today, it sent a text message to all of its subscribers, reading, "Dear Customer, Telenor is not in any way involved wth the deplorable cartoon incident. We, like you, appeal for the quick resolution of the issue."
Opposition Islamist and political parties have accused the government of a timid response to the cartoons, and portraits of the president were torn today in Islamabad by angry students.
"The Government has failed to represent the emotions of the masses against the cartoons," said Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, an opposition member of parliament.
Incensed protestors in Peshawar burnt the Danish flag and effigies of the Danish prime minister while chanting "Death to Denmark."
Local officials said one person was killed there due to electrocution, but news reports said the man was killed by a power cable that snapped from gunfire by protestors. Local media also reported that an 8-year-old child was killed by a bullet shot to the head.
Police used batons and tear gas to disperse the enraged protestors who torched an outlet of KFC and several theaters.
Local news channels flashed images of protesters clashing with police, tufts of smoke billowing out of shopping centers and protesters ransacking stores.
In the wake of the surging violence, local authorities in Peshawar today ordered educational institutes to be closed down for a week. Most of the protesters are teenagers or college students.
Akram Khan Durrani, the chief minister of the Northwestern Frontier Province, which includes Peshawar, condemned the violent riots but sympathized with the spirit of the protests. "Protest is a democratic right', Mr. Durrani said in a televised interview, adding that "emotions of Muslims have been hurt because of the cartoons."
"The people behind the cartoons are the biggest terrorists. The government of the Denmark should have taken them under arrest. They have incited the emotions of Muslims around the world," Mr. Durrani said.
In Islamabad, the capital, where hundreds of students stormed into the diplomatic enclave on Tuesday, security was beefed up to thwart any demonstration.
More than a thousand students belonging to student wings of Islamist parties scuffled with police in the eastern city of Lahore, which was under siege by rampaging protestors yesterday.
Two protestors had been shot dead Tuesday in Lahore by security guards as they tried to force their way into a bank. Hundreds of vehicles were damaged while government buildings and outlets of Western food outlets were torched.
Salman Masood reported from Islamabad for this article, and John O'Neil contributed reporting from New York.
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Why is no one condemning these acts?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/15/inter ... nted=print
Bomb Kills 3 Schoolchildren in Baghdad
By CHRISTINE HAUSER
At least three children were killed in Baghdad today by a bomb that exploded near their elementary school, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said. The ministry also reported at least eight other deaths today from separate incidents.
Some reports put today's death toll higher. The Associated Press said the three children were among as many as 18 people killed in ambushes or car bombs in the Iraqi capital.
The children were on their way to their school in central Baghdad, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry said. A witness quoted by Agence France-Presse said they had stopped to examine a bag left outside of a store in the Al-Fadel neighborhood, which is predominantly Sunni, when a bomb in the bag went off.
In other violence today, a police captain, Hussein Ali Yousif, and his driver were killed in an ambush in Baghdad, and a car bomb blew up near a university, killing at least one civilian and wounding four others in an apparent attempted attack on a police patrol, the spokesman said. Four bodies were found, blindfolded and bearing torture marks, in eastern Baghdad this morning, the spokesman said.
The Iraqi police are frequent targets of attacks by insurgents whose attacks with car bombs and ambushes have also killed many civilians. And today, the spokesman said that American forces opened fire on a civilian car in Taji, killing an Iraqi man, Abdul-Rahman Taha.
The A.P. said four children, between the ages of 10 and 14, were killed in the bombing near the elementary school in Al-Fadel while 14 other people, including six policemen, died in car bombs and shootings.
Also today, an Australian television station broadcast what it said were previously unpublished images of physical abuse of Iraqi prisoners inside the American-run Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, Reuters reported from Sydney. The Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" current affairs program said the images had been taken at the same time as others of American soldiers abusing Iraqis in the prison, which sparked international outrage in 2004, Reuters reported.
At least 15 people were killed in violence in parts of central and northern Iraq on Tuesday.
An employee of The New York Times contributed reporting from Baghdad for this article.
Bomb Kills 3 Schoolchildren in Baghdad
By CHRISTINE HAUSER
At least three children were killed in Baghdad today by a bomb that exploded near their elementary school, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said. The ministry also reported at least eight other deaths today from separate incidents.
Some reports put today's death toll higher. The Associated Press said the three children were among as many as 18 people killed in ambushes or car bombs in the Iraqi capital.
The children were on their way to their school in central Baghdad, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry said. A witness quoted by Agence France-Presse said they had stopped to examine a bag left outside of a store in the Al-Fadel neighborhood, which is predominantly Sunni, when a bomb in the bag went off.
In other violence today, a police captain, Hussein Ali Yousif, and his driver were killed in an ambush in Baghdad, and a car bomb blew up near a university, killing at least one civilian and wounding four others in an apparent attempted attack on a police patrol, the spokesman said. Four bodies were found, blindfolded and bearing torture marks, in eastern Baghdad this morning, the spokesman said.
The Iraqi police are frequent targets of attacks by insurgents whose attacks with car bombs and ambushes have also killed many civilians. And today, the spokesman said that American forces opened fire on a civilian car in Taji, killing an Iraqi man, Abdul-Rahman Taha.
The A.P. said four children, between the ages of 10 and 14, were killed in the bombing near the elementary school in Al-Fadel while 14 other people, including six policemen, died in car bombs and shootings.
Also today, an Australian television station broadcast what it said were previously unpublished images of physical abuse of Iraqi prisoners inside the American-run Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, Reuters reported from Sydney. The Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" current affairs program said the images had been taken at the same time as others of American soldiers abusing Iraqis in the prison, which sparked international outrage in 2004, Reuters reported.
At least 15 people were killed in violence in parts of central and northern Iraq on Tuesday.
An employee of The New York Times contributed reporting from Baghdad for this article.
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Damn those Hindu activists. Long live freedom of expression.
Right wing nuts, whether the monkeys killing each other over the Prophet's cartoons or calling for the arrest of MF Husain, should be condemned unequivocally. Long live freedom of expression.
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62514
M F Husain booked for painting 'nude gods'
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 1000 hours IST
New Delhi, February 7: Noted painter M F Husain has been booked for hurting sentiments of people through his paintings depicting nude gods, Deputy Chief Minister and Home Minister, R R Patil said Monday.
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A case was registered against Husain on Saturday and the state police is conducting a probe into the allegations made against the painter, Patil said.
Several right wing Hindu organisations have raised a cry against Husain's series of paintings depicting Hindu gods and goddesses in the nude.
The Vishwa Hindu Parishad has demanded that Husain be placed under arrest for hurting sentiments of the majority community.
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62514
M F Husain booked for painting 'nude gods'
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 1000 hours IST
New Delhi, February 7: Noted painter M F Husain has been booked for hurting sentiments of people through his paintings depicting nude gods, Deputy Chief Minister and Home Minister, R R Patil said Monday.
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A case was registered against Husain on Saturday and the state police is conducting a probe into the allegations made against the painter, Patil said.
Several right wing Hindu organisations have raised a cry against Husain's series of paintings depicting Hindu gods and goddesses in the nude.
The Vishwa Hindu Parishad has demanded that Husain be placed under arrest for hurting sentiments of the majority community.
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I am sure that Prophet Mohammed would condone this 
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/15cartoon1.htm
Indian sailor killed over cartoon row
February 15, 2006 13:19 IST
An Indian sailor was allegedly beaten to death by his colleagues on board a Norwegian oil tanker in the international waters off the coast of Fujairah in the United Arab Emirates following an argument over the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in some European newspapers.
A fight ensued among the seamen after an argument over the issue, causing the death of one sailor, a media report said.
Official sources confirmed the death of 31-year-old Sudhir Jagannathan, a native of Mumbai.
'We have been informed about the death. Our officials visited the Fujairah hospital and collected the details. The investigation is going on and once it is over, the consulate will render all the help to repatriate the body,' an Indian official told the Khaleej Times newspaper.
The entire crew on the ship hails from India. The ship was traveling from Mangalore in Karnataka to Fujairah with a chemical cargo.
Jagannathan worked as a fitter on the ship. The captain of the oil tanker has denied any foul play. He and his crew were remanded to the custody of the Fujairah police, the report added.
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/15cartoon1.htm
Indian sailor killed over cartoon row
February 15, 2006 13:19 IST
An Indian sailor was allegedly beaten to death by his colleagues on board a Norwegian oil tanker in the international waters off the coast of Fujairah in the United Arab Emirates following an argument over the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in some European newspapers.
A fight ensued among the seamen after an argument over the issue, causing the death of one sailor, a media report said.
Official sources confirmed the death of 31-year-old Sudhir Jagannathan, a native of Mumbai.
'We have been informed about the death. Our officials visited the Fujairah hospital and collected the details. The investigation is going on and once it is over, the consulate will render all the help to repatriate the body,' an Indian official told the Khaleej Times newspaper.
The entire crew on the ship hails from India. The ship was traveling from Mangalore in Karnataka to Fujairah with a chemical cargo.
Jagannathan worked as a fitter on the ship. The captain of the oil tanker has denied any foul play. He and his crew were remanded to the custody of the Fujairah police, the report added.
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as written, in part, by Ann Coulter in one of her columns:
The culture editor of a newspaper in Denmark suspected writers and cartoonists were engaging in self-censorship when it came to the Religion of Peace. It was subtle things, like a Danish comedian's statement, paraphrased by the New York Times, "that he had no problem urinating on the Bible but that he would not dare do the same to the Quran."
So, after verifying that his life insurance premiums were paid up, the editor expressly requested cartoons of Muhammad from every cartoonist with a Danish cartoon syndicate. Out of 40 cartoonists, only 10 accepted the invitation, most of them submitting utterly neutral drawings with no political content whatsoever.
But three cartoons made political points.
One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop – we ran out of virgins!" – which I believe was a commentary on fanatical Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on fanatical Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular – oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on fanatical Muslims' predilection for violence.
In order to express their displeasure with the idea that most Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.
The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9-11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" – which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9-11 attack.
The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad – though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.
The belief that Islam forbids portrayals of Muhammad is recently acquired. Back when Muslims created things, rather than blowing them up, they made paintings, frescoes, miniatures and prints of Muhammad.
But apparently the Quran is like the Constitution: It's a "living document," capable of sprouting all-new provisions at will. Muslims ought to start claiming the Quran also prohibits indoor plumbing, to explain their lack of it in most of their countries.
Other interpretations of the Quran forbid images of humans or animals, which makes even a child's coloring book blasphemous. That's why the Taliban blew up those priceless Buddhist statues, bless their innocent, peace-loving little hearts.
Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-blowing/self-blowing/the more the merrier whom I taketh with me cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.
But fanatical Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?
The culture editor of a newspaper in Denmark suspected writers and cartoonists were engaging in self-censorship when it came to the Religion of Peace. It was subtle things, like a Danish comedian's statement, paraphrased by the New York Times, "that he had no problem urinating on the Bible but that he would not dare do the same to the Quran."
So, after verifying that his life insurance premiums were paid up, the editor expressly requested cartoons of Muhammad from every cartoonist with a Danish cartoon syndicate. Out of 40 cartoonists, only 10 accepted the invitation, most of them submitting utterly neutral drawings with no political content whatsoever.
But three cartoons made political points.
One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop – we ran out of virgins!" – which I believe was a commentary on fanatical Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on fanatical Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular – oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on fanatical Muslims' predilection for violence.
In order to express their displeasure with the idea that most Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.
The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9-11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" – which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9-11 attack.
The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad – though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.
The belief that Islam forbids portrayals of Muhammad is recently acquired. Back when Muslims created things, rather than blowing them up, they made paintings, frescoes, miniatures and prints of Muhammad.
But apparently the Quran is like the Constitution: It's a "living document," capable of sprouting all-new provisions at will. Muslims ought to start claiming the Quran also prohibits indoor plumbing, to explain their lack of it in most of their countries.
Other interpretations of the Quran forbid images of humans or animals, which makes even a child's coloring book blasphemous. That's why the Taliban blew up those priceless Buddhist statues, bless their innocent, peace-loving little hearts.
Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-blowing/self-blowing/the more the merrier whom I taketh with me cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.
But fanatical Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?
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Why is it fanatical 'Muslims'. Why not just fanatics.
Everyone who knows them knows how liberal Ann Coultier or Pat Robertson are. Along with them, the whole evangelical jing-bang is as fanatic as the mullahs in Iran, the only difference being the religion they support.
This hasn't got anything to do with religion but more to do with poverty, unemployment, illiteracy and f*****g politics. I am sure the same would be the case with any religion be it KKK of US in the Christianity and white supremacy, VHP of Gujarat in the riots a few years ago, the Nazis. And most importantly the Bush administration all over the world.
Tying religion to these acts to religion is just a farce, a way for others to alienate themselves from reality, an excuse for the rest of us to generalize and criminalize a section of the society for no logical reason whatsoever. Religion is no logical reason at all.
What we need is a sense of compassion, the duty to spread education, the moral to teach common sense to these brainwashed ones. When do we do that, how do we do that, where do we do that. We can start by not alienating everyone who belong to a religion but by identifying everyone who share the notion of hatred. Then try to give information, share thoughts, get involve in a conversation, explain pros and cons.
Hate is a 4 letter word, and so is Love. Which one are we going to select.
Everyone who knows them knows how liberal Ann Coultier or Pat Robertson are. Along with them, the whole evangelical jing-bang is as fanatic as the mullahs in Iran, the only difference being the religion they support.
This hasn't got anything to do with religion but more to do with poverty, unemployment, illiteracy and f*****g politics. I am sure the same would be the case with any religion be it KKK of US in the Christianity and white supremacy, VHP of Gujarat in the riots a few years ago, the Nazis. And most importantly the Bush administration all over the world.
Tying religion to these acts to religion is just a farce, a way for others to alienate themselves from reality, an excuse for the rest of us to generalize and criminalize a section of the society for no logical reason whatsoever. Religion is no logical reason at all.
What we need is a sense of compassion, the duty to spread education, the moral to teach common sense to these brainwashed ones. When do we do that, how do we do that, where do we do that. We can start by not alienating everyone who belong to a religion but by identifying everyone who share the notion of hatred. Then try to give information, share thoughts, get involve in a conversation, explain pros and cons.
Hate is a 4 letter word, and so is Love. Which one are we going to select.
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U dont learn your lesson do you.
U will continue your baja until your face is shown to you.
Do you remember the Ganesh on toilet seat and the durga on unserwaer episodes?
Form of Art, learn to appreciate it.
Sattire, now Hamshahri is hosting one on Holocoust.
Laugh at it ?
Art, Sattire all this is bull shit there are many ways to art and Sattire and humour. You can do it without offending any one.
There was this poet who very eloquently stood in your housing colony and read out an excellent poem, the jist of the poem was "your mum is a slut" appreciate it?
Its just these scrouplouse minded who are hell bent on creating nuisance and this morbid world looking all ready to defend freedom of expression.
Its simple mr **** mofo **** freedom of expression does not have to transgress some one elses right.
U will continue your baja until your face is shown to you.
Do you remember the Ganesh on toilet seat and the durga on unserwaer episodes?
Form of Art, learn to appreciate it.
Sattire, now Hamshahri is hosting one on Holocoust.
Laugh at it ?
Art, Sattire all this is bull shit there are many ways to art and Sattire and humour. You can do it without offending any one.
There was this poet who very eloquently stood in your housing colony and read out an excellent poem, the jist of the poem was "your mum is a slut" appreciate it?
Its just these scrouplouse minded who are hell bent on creating nuisance and this morbid world looking all ready to defend freedom of expression.
Its simple mr **** mofo **** freedom of expression does not have to transgress some one elses right.
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Freedom of expression does not mean that anyone has the right to freely provoke and insult others or anything/anyone many others hold with respect.
and what freedom of expression are these westerners talking abt? they have self-censorship when it comes to critisizing Israel. In some Eurpean countries like France and Germany, it is illegal to doubt that the Holocaust happened. wtf? someone can be arrested for holding a different opinion.
in this matter, one thing i DO NOT support is the violence. this only worsens the image of the muslim citizens everywhere. they can protest peacefully, condemn the newspapers, boycott danish products (a gr8 idea!) etc. but there is absolutely no justification for violence.
Catholic clergy and laity condemned the ideas on Jesus propounded in Da Vincy Code, but no one put a price on Dan Brown's head, burnt embassies, killed people etc. samething when Hindu gods were dipicted on toilet seats, bikinis, toilet rolls etc. it was just peaceful protests, petitions, marches, boycotts etc.
and why the _ shud the Danish govt. apologize? they are not responsible for the cartoons. its like demanding an apology from George Bush because an American, Dan Brown, has insulted Christ or because an American company has printed Ganesha's image on sandals! absurd!
and what freedom of expression are these westerners talking abt? they have self-censorship when it comes to critisizing Israel. In some Eurpean countries like France and Germany, it is illegal to doubt that the Holocaust happened. wtf? someone can be arrested for holding a different opinion.
in this matter, one thing i DO NOT support is the violence. this only worsens the image of the muslim citizens everywhere. they can protest peacefully, condemn the newspapers, boycott danish products (a gr8 idea!) etc. but there is absolutely no justification for violence.
Catholic clergy and laity condemned the ideas on Jesus propounded in Da Vincy Code, but no one put a price on Dan Brown's head, burnt embassies, killed people etc. samething when Hindu gods were dipicted on toilet seats, bikinis, toilet rolls etc. it was just peaceful protests, petitions, marches, boycotts etc.
and why the _ shud the Danish govt. apologize? they are not responsible for the cartoons. its like demanding an apology from George Bush because an American, Dan Brown, has insulted Christ or because an American company has printed Ganesha's image on sandals! absurd!
wtf? i no longer care if my posts hurt yr feelings 
Love me or hate me, u cant ignore me
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Ah well allright, what can Denmark do?
Very simple right. Imbiding by its "Princilples of National Legislation" it could have prevented this to happen.
Instead the president of the European Union comes out all guns blazing talking about freedom of speech. instead of condoning he takes and aparthidic stance. European govts come up with "the freedom of speech notion".
Belinguring blues come up with suggestions its the Islamic Shariah we dont have to abide by it ?
Thats where the muslims world over see lies the rat bag, all this bull shit talk about freedom of expression. Where as european leaders should have strongly condemned this attempt to satirraclly tie up Islam with this "so called extremism". A F...d up logic.
A paper knaown for its negative journalism and rapped by its own courts for attempting to create and hate enviornment is now put up under cover to support a blatant transgress.
As for the violence read the example again. A poet gathers all the locals and eloquently describes how "he and the rest of the neighbourhood screwed your mom." Your reaction will tell what respect means to you. Ah well if you are a resident of a "Red Light" area then you will call for calm and take pride in what he says he would then after all be eluogising your mom.
Very simple right. Imbiding by its "Princilples of National Legislation" it could have prevented this to happen.
Instead the president of the European Union comes out all guns blazing talking about freedom of speech. instead of condoning he takes and aparthidic stance. European govts come up with "the freedom of speech notion".
Belinguring blues come up with suggestions its the Islamic Shariah we dont have to abide by it ?
Thats where the muslims world over see lies the rat bag, all this bull shit talk about freedom of expression. Where as european leaders should have strongly condemned this attempt to satirraclly tie up Islam with this "so called extremism". A F...d up logic.
A paper knaown for its negative journalism and rapped by its own courts for attempting to create and hate enviornment is now put up under cover to support a blatant transgress.
As for the violence read the example again. A poet gathers all the locals and eloquently describes how "he and the rest of the neighbourhood screwed your mom." Your reaction will tell what respect means to you. Ah well if you are a resident of a "Red Light" area then you will call for calm and take pride in what he says he would then after all be eluogising your mom.
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This puts the freedom of expression debate to an End.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/ ... 00,00.html
Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons
Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.
In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.
Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."
The illustrator said: "I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy."
"I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny."
But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, said that the case was "ridiculous to bring forward now. It has nothing to do with the Muhammad cartoons.
"In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That's the difference," he said.
"The illustrator thought his cartoons were funny. I did not think so. It would offend some readers, not much but some."
The decision smacks of "double-standards", said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman for the Danish-based European Committee for Prophet Honouring, the umbrella group that represents 27 Muslim organisations that are campaigning for a full apology from Jyllands-Posten.
"How can Jyllands-Posten distinguish the two cases? Surely they must understand," Mr Akkari added.
Meanwhile, the editor of a Malaysian newspaper resigned over the weekend after printing one of the Muhammad cartoons that have unleashed a storm of protest across the Islamic world.
Malaysia's Sunday Tribune, based in the remote state of Sarawak, on Borneo island, ran one of the Danish cartoons on Saturday. It is unclear which one of the 12 drawings was reprinted.
Printed on page 12 of the paper, the cartoon illustrated an article about the lack of impact of the controversy in Malaysia, a country with a majority Muslim population.
The newspaper apologised and expressed "profound regret over the unauthorised publication", in a front page statement on Sunday.
"Our internal inquiry revealed that the editor on duty, who was responsible for the same publication, had done it all alone by himself without authority in compliance with the prescribed procedures as required for such news," the statement said.
The editor, who has not been named, regretted his mistake, apologised and tendered his resignation, according to the statement.
Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons
Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.
In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.
Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."
The illustrator said: "I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy."
"I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny."
But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, said that the case was "ridiculous to bring forward now. It has nothing to do with the Muhammad cartoons.
"In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That's the difference," he said.
"The illustrator thought his cartoons were funny. I did not think so. It would offend some readers, not much but some."
The decision smacks of "double-standards", said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman for the Danish-based European Committee for Prophet Honouring, the umbrella group that represents 27 Muslim organisations that are campaigning for a full apology from Jyllands-Posten.
"How can Jyllands-Posten distinguish the two cases? Surely they must understand," Mr Akkari added.
Meanwhile, the editor of a Malaysian newspaper resigned over the weekend after printing one of the Muhammad cartoons that have unleashed a storm of protest across the Islamic world.
Malaysia's Sunday Tribune, based in the remote state of Sarawak, on Borneo island, ran one of the Danish cartoons on Saturday. It is unclear which one of the 12 drawings was reprinted.
Printed on page 12 of the paper, the cartoon illustrated an article about the lack of impact of the controversy in Malaysia, a country with a majority Muslim population.
The newspaper apologised and expressed "profound regret over the unauthorised publication", in a front page statement on Sunday.
"Our internal inquiry revealed that the editor on duty, who was responsible for the same publication, had done it all alone by himself without authority in compliance with the prescribed procedures as required for such news," the statement said.
The editor, who has not been named, regretted his mistake, apologised and tendered his resignation, according to the statement.
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Somebody forwarded this e-mail to me. Just wanted to send it to you:
Recently the Palestinian movie "Paradise Now" won the Golden Globe award. The movie shows the route that two young Palestinians take to become suicide murderers, up until the minute they board a bus in Tel Aviv filled with children.
The movie looks professional. It was made with great attention to detail, but it is extremely dangerous not only to the Middle East, but to the whole world.
My son Asaf, almost 17 years old, was a high school student in the eleventh grade who loved computer science. One day after school he boarded a bus home, as usual. Along the way, a suicide murderer from Hebron, 21 years old, a computer science student at the Hebron Polytechnic, exploded on the bus.
17 people were killed, 9 of them school children aged 18 or less.
My son Asaf was killed on spot.
I watched the movie "Paradise Now" trying to understand what it is trying to say, what message it carries? That the murderer is human? He is not. That he has doubts? He has none. After all, he is willing to kill himself along with his victims. That the Israelis are to blame for this brutal killing? Are the Israelis to blame for the Twin Towers in New York, the night club in Indonesia, the hotel in Egypt, the shop in Turkey, the restaurant in Morocco or in Tunis, the hotel in Jordan, the underground in London, the train in Spain? And the list goes on and on.
What makes this movie award-worthy? Would the people that awarded this movie the Golden Globe do the same if the movie was about young people from Saudi Arabia who learn how to fly airplanes in the USA and then use Islamic rituals to prepare themselves for their holy mission, crashing their airplanes into the Twin Towers in New York City? Would this movie get an award then?
This movie tries to say that suicide murder is legitimate when you feel you have exhausted all other means. But a suicide murderer who boards a bus kills 15 or 20 innocent people, so how about a suicide murderer who walks into a city with a biological bomb and kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people? Is that still legitimate? Where does one draw the line?
I believe that the world should draw the line at one person. The killing of even one person is not legitimate. My son was almost 17 years old, he loved surfing, he loved loud music. Now he is gone because a suicide murderer decided it's legitimate to blow himself up on a crowded bus.
Granting an award to this kind of movie gives the filmmakers a seal of approval to hide behind. Now they can say that the world sees suicide bombing as legitimate. By ignoring the film's message and the implications of this message, those that chose to award this film a prize have become part of the evil chain of terror and accomplices to the next suicide murders whether they kill 17 people or 17,000 people.
Recently the Palestinian movie "Paradise Now" won the Golden Globe award. The movie shows the route that two young Palestinians take to become suicide murderers, up until the minute they board a bus in Tel Aviv filled with children.
The movie looks professional. It was made with great attention to detail, but it is extremely dangerous not only to the Middle East, but to the whole world.
My son Asaf, almost 17 years old, was a high school student in the eleventh grade who loved computer science. One day after school he boarded a bus home, as usual. Along the way, a suicide murderer from Hebron, 21 years old, a computer science student at the Hebron Polytechnic, exploded on the bus.
17 people were killed, 9 of them school children aged 18 or less.
My son Asaf was killed on spot.
I watched the movie "Paradise Now" trying to understand what it is trying to say, what message it carries? That the murderer is human? He is not. That he has doubts? He has none. After all, he is willing to kill himself along with his victims. That the Israelis are to blame for this brutal killing? Are the Israelis to blame for the Twin Towers in New York, the night club in Indonesia, the hotel in Egypt, the shop in Turkey, the restaurant in Morocco or in Tunis, the hotel in Jordan, the underground in London, the train in Spain? And the list goes on and on.
What makes this movie award-worthy? Would the people that awarded this movie the Golden Globe do the same if the movie was about young people from Saudi Arabia who learn how to fly airplanes in the USA and then use Islamic rituals to prepare themselves for their holy mission, crashing their airplanes into the Twin Towers in New York City? Would this movie get an award then?
This movie tries to say that suicide murder is legitimate when you feel you have exhausted all other means. But a suicide murderer who boards a bus kills 15 or 20 innocent people, so how about a suicide murderer who walks into a city with a biological bomb and kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people? Is that still legitimate? Where does one draw the line?
I believe that the world should draw the line at one person. The killing of even one person is not legitimate. My son was almost 17 years old, he loved surfing, he loved loud music. Now he is gone because a suicide murderer decided it's legitimate to blow himself up on a crowded bus.
Granting an award to this kind of movie gives the filmmakers a seal of approval to hide behind. Now they can say that the world sees suicide bombing as legitimate. By ignoring the film's message and the implications of this message, those that chose to award this film a prize have become part of the evil chain of terror and accomplices to the next suicide murders whether they kill 17 people or 17,000 people.
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what the heck?!?
***** wrote:I watched the movie "Paradise Now" trying to understand what it is trying to say, what message it carries?
After watching the screener of this movie, my colleagues interviewed the director and asked him what message the movie carried. He replied with a retarded reply "Messages are for the postman".
Many of my Arab friends didn't like the movie especially the Palestinians. The same director had produced a hit Arabic movie earlier titled Rana's Wedding, and many had high hopes that his next movie would be equally good if not better. To their surprise, this man produced a movie about suicide bombers, that too when Warner Brothers were distributing it.
Suicide bomber movies and gay/transexual movies are the in-thing now for award ceremonies.
#$#$#u r acct #$@##@!@#
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i agree with you that their stand on "freedom of speech" is purely hypocritical. my objection is only to the way muslims are being instigated to protest. do they really feel that they can scare the rest of the world? it only serves to heighten the disgust even among those who feel that the newspaper was wrong.TUBADCOW wrote:Ah well allright, what can Denmark do?
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that shows u feel that the killings and arson are justified. and then u complain why the western world wont look kindly upon muslimsTUBADCOW wrote:...As for the violence read the example again. A poet gathers all the locals and eloquently describes how "he and the rest of the neighbourhood screwed your mom." Your reaction will tell what respect means to you. Ah well if you are a resident of a "Red Light" area then you will call for calm and take pride in what he says he would then after all be eluogising your mom.
dont u think that measures like boycott of danish products etc are more effective?
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You do not get it. Do you?
TUBADCOW wrote:U dont learn your lesson do you.
U will continue your baja until your face is shown to you.
Do you remember the Ganesh on toilet seat and the durga on unserwaer episodes?
Form of Art, learn to appreciate it.
Sattire, now Hamshahri is hosting one on Holocoust.
Laugh at it ?
Art, Sattire all this is bull shit there are many ways to art and Sattire and humour. You can do it without offending any one.
There was this poet who very eloquently stood in your housing colony and read out an excellent poem, the jist of the poem was "your mum is a slut" appreciate it?
Its just these scrouplouse minded who are hell bent on creating nuisance and this morbid world looking all ready to defend freedom of expression.
Its simple mr **** mofo **** freedom of expression does not have to transgress some one elses right.
It is nobody's contention that what the Newspaper did was right, but they have the right to do it anyway and it should not be taken away from them. The exact same thing applies to Ganesha on toilet seat or Lakshmi on footwear or underwear. I would not buy those products, but I am not burning down your house if you want to.
I do not want to respond to the cheap shots you took at me, but be right on it, I couldn't care less.
I was against the VHP/Bajrang Dal thugs when they obstructed the production of Fire/Water series of movies and I am opposed to the Sena thugs shutting down Valentine's day celebrations.
Also why should the Danish government apologize for something that an independent organization of that country did, especially when they did not break any rules? Why are the thugs, world around targeting the Danish embassy. I guess, it is OK for them to hold all of the Danish people to be culpable because of the actions of a bad apple newspaper. What hypocrisy, when they are exactly resenting a similar characterisation of all Muslims being branded because of nuts like Zawahiri and Laden.
It will be a sad world where everyone agrees with everyone else. Long live Freedom of Expression.
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Re: You do not get it. Do you?
blah wrote:It will be a sad world where everyone agrees with everyone else. Long live Freedom of Expression.
y did m f hussein paint godesses in nude and get away wid simple apology????????
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Re: You do not get it. Do you?
sudakar wrote:blah wrote:It will be a sad world where everyone agrees with everyone else. Long live Freedom of Expression.
y did m f hussein paint godesses in nude and get away wid simple apology????????
Sudakar,
pls. do not hijack the discussion. Husain has a right to paint whoever he wants to, in the nude. You do not have to buy his paintings.
Denying him his right is just as bad as banning a book like Satanic Verses because it is objectionable to one community.
Actually, I had more respect for Husain before he apologized. At least he was taking a stand. But unfortunately, looks like the BJP thugs got to him. Poor soul.
If what gets said or printed has to be sanctioned by someone else, then pretty soon, the govt. can decide that criticism of the govt. is unacceptable and before you realize it you are living in a repressive/degenerate/communist-like regime.
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poet????? 
btw, lets see if FH deletes those controversial cartoons displayed by sudakar....
btw, lets see if FH deletes those controversial cartoons displayed by sudakar....
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CtrlAltDel wrote:Freedom of expression does not mean that anyone has the right to freely provoke and insult others or anything/anyone many others hold with respect.
actually , it does.
what good is a "freedom of expression" if my expression has to be certified allowable by a buncha people? and who gets to decide whether its allowable? the loudest people? the one's with the biggest stick?
and there's no way you can satisfy everybody everytime... somebody or the other's going to get offended at anything you say,therefore your screwed before you start.
my point is simple , you cant have half measures;saying that you have freedom of expression .. but you cant say anything that would offend this community,or make that bozo think...and so on.
either say that i can say what i want or say that i cant say what i want but shoud say what you want me to say .. or something.
and mr.tubadcow,its pitiable that your world view is shaped by poets that come to your neighbourhood and regale you with your family member's exploits ... who are you ... eric FCKING cartman
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Let Public Places Like Art Galleries Be Spared ...
Let "Private" Be So ... Let Public Places Like Art Galleries Be Spared ... Of Such "New(d)sense" ... er "Nonsense" ... er "nuisance" ... 
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Now this is what I call mature, tasteful response that really takes the wind out of the sails. Wish the rioters could think of something as creative rather than firebombing the embassies.
http://www.boomka.org/
Israeli group announces anti-Semitic cartoons contest!
February 14th, 2006
A Danish paper publishes a cartoon that mocks Muslims.
An Iranian paper responds with a Holocaust cartoons contest -
- Now a group of Israelis announce their own anti-Semitic cartoons contest!
Amitai Sandy (29), graphic artist and publisher of Dimona Comix Publishing, from Tel-Aviv, Israel, has followed the unfolding of the “Muhammad cartoon-gate” events in amazement, until finally he came up with the right answer to all this insanity - and so he announced today the launch of a new anti-Semitic cartoons contest - this time drawn by Jews themselves!
“We’ll show the world we can do the best, sharpest, most offensive Jew hating cartoons ever published!” said Sandy “No Iranian will beat us on our home turf!”
The contest has been announced today on the http://www.boomka.org website, and the initiator accept submissions of cartoons, caricatures and short comic strips from people all over the world. The deadline is Sunday March 5, and the best works will be displayed in an Exhibition in Tel-Aviv, Israel.
Sandy is now in the process of arranging sponsorships of large organizations, and promises lucrative prizes for the winners, including of course the famous Matzo-bread baked with the blood of Christian children.
For more info contact:
Amitai at amitaiss@yahoo.com or 972-54-316-4117
http://www.boomka.org/
Israeli group announces anti-Semitic cartoons contest!
February 14th, 2006
A Danish paper publishes a cartoon that mocks Muslims.
An Iranian paper responds with a Holocaust cartoons contest -
- Now a group of Israelis announce their own anti-Semitic cartoons contest!
Amitai Sandy (29), graphic artist and publisher of Dimona Comix Publishing, from Tel-Aviv, Israel, has followed the unfolding of the “Muhammad cartoon-gate” events in amazement, until finally he came up with the right answer to all this insanity - and so he announced today the launch of a new anti-Semitic cartoons contest - this time drawn by Jews themselves!
“We’ll show the world we can do the best, sharpest, most offensive Jew hating cartoons ever published!” said Sandy “No Iranian will beat us on our home turf!”
The contest has been announced today on the http://www.boomka.org website, and the initiator accept submissions of cartoons, caricatures and short comic strips from people all over the world. The deadline is Sunday March 5, and the best works will be displayed in an Exhibition in Tel-Aviv, Israel.
Sandy is now in the process of arranging sponsorships of large organizations, and promises lucrative prizes for the winners, including of course the famous Matzo-bread baked with the blood of Christian children.
For more info contact:
Amitai at amitaiss@yahoo.com or 972-54-316-4117
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blah wrote:Now this is what I call mature, tasteful response that really takes the wind out of the sails. Wish the rioters could think of something as creative rather than firebombing the embassies.
http://www.boomka.org/
Israeli group announces anti-Semitic cartoons contest!
February 14th, 2006
A Danish paper publishes a cartoon that mocks Muslims.
An Iranian paper responds with a Holocaust cartoons contest -
- Now a group of Israelis announce their own anti-Semitic cartoons contest!
Amitai Sandy (29), graphic artist and publisher of Dimona Comix Publishing, from Tel-Aviv, Israel, has followed the unfolding of the “Muhammad cartoon-gate” events in amazement, until finally he came up with the right answer to all this insanity - and so he announced today the launch of a new anti-Semitic cartoons contest - this time drawn by Jews themselves!
“We’ll show the world we can do the best, sharpest, most offensive Jew hating cartoons ever published!” said Sandy “No Iranian will beat us on our home turf!”
The contest has been announced today on the http://www.boomka.org website, and the initiator accept submissions of cartoons, caricatures and short comic strips from people all over the world. The deadline is Sunday March 5, and the best works will be displayed in an Exhibition in Tel-Aviv, Israel.
Sandy is now in the process of arranging sponsorships of large organizations, and promises lucrative prizes for the winners, including of course the famous Matzo-bread baked with the blood of Christian children.
For more info contact:
Amitai at amitaiss@yahoo.com or 972-54-316-4117
It is self-deprecating humor. It must be a vey painful state. When you cannot find people in the world respect you, and those of us who cannot find any more strength to fight back we generally offer not only the other cheek, but the face too, to be spit upon.
That is what I see here. It is painful, I do not find it admirable at all. I wish the Israelis and the jews fight back with dignity that they so much deserve, just as much as any other human being.
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Rs 51cr for cartoonist’s head: Haji, here it goes again
Rs 51cr for cartoonist’s head: Haji
Lucknow, Feb. 17: Haji Yakub, a Samajwadi Party minister in Uttar Pradesh for minority welfare and the Haj, has announced a cash reward of Rs 51 crores for the head of the cartoonist who had made the offensive cartoon of Prophet Muhammed.
Haji Yakub added that the person who brought him the head of the cartoonist would be given gold equivalent to his weight.
“The person who has insulted the Prophet does not deserve to live and anyone — irrespective of his nationality — who eliminates the cartoonist will be rewarded with a cash prize of Rs 51 crores and gold equivalent to his weight,” the minister said while addressing a gathering of Muslims who were demonstrating in Meerut on Friday to protest against the offensive cartoons.
Although the minister said he had made the announcement not as a minister, but as an “honest Muslim”, he later said that he had made the statement after consulting the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, Mr Mulayam Singh Yadav.
Lucknow, Feb. 17: Haji Yakub, a Samajwadi Party minister in Uttar Pradesh for minority welfare and the Haj, has announced a cash reward of Rs 51 crores for the head of the cartoonist who had made the offensive cartoon of Prophet Muhammed.
Haji Yakub added that the person who brought him the head of the cartoonist would be given gold equivalent to his weight.
“The person who has insulted the Prophet does not deserve to live and anyone — irrespective of his nationality — who eliminates the cartoonist will be rewarded with a cash prize of Rs 51 crores and gold equivalent to his weight,” the minister said while addressing a gathering of Muslims who were demonstrating in Meerut on Friday to protest against the offensive cartoons.
Although the minister said he had made the announcement not as a minister, but as an “honest Muslim”, he later said that he had made the statement after consulting the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, Mr Mulayam Singh Yadav.
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Re: Rs 51cr for cartoonist’s head: Haji, here it goes again
:lol: he better multiply the 51 crore by 12, coz the 12 'toons were drwn by different ppl!***** wrote:...Haji Yakub, a Samajwadi Party minister in Uttar Pradesh for minority welfare and the Haj, has announced a cash reward of Rs 51 crores for the head of the cartoonist who had made the offensive cartoon of Prophet Muhammed.
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