Are IITians hyped out of proportion???

[akhilis2cool]

err ahem...

i dug up this topic to bring to u guys' notice the incident that went almost went unreported outside the campus....

[ycr007]

well, that may be due to the IIT's not wanting to spoil their goody-good image. IIT's are frequented by top-notch companies for placements and they might not be wanting to risk any dent to their image.



Regarding the attendance thing, it is a good thing to have such sorta rule but when it drives someone to the point of taking one's life,is too high a price to pay! If surfing was indeed blamed for the lack of attendance,the authorities should have looked into plugging that loophole.

But I presume students would have been up in arms against the move,if any! Almost all IITians use P2P networks for downloading stuff off their high-speed connexions. Agreed that it is necessary in one's academic life but all-night!

As it is IITians are burdened by their academics,assignments,presentations,looking good,dating,romancing & all that stuff....and on top of it,placements/higher studies tensions in the prefinal & final years.

As HP said,Instead of radical overhaul a middle path should be envisaged to bail out the students outta the mire that they feel they are in.

[HH]

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[fl]

i guess i should have posetd earlier on this thread



firstly about the incident

its not the first time happened before as well for whatever reason

and as akhil said these things never get out of the campus

that is in a way good because the outside world has little influence on what goes on inside

let there be a strike or a flood things go on as usual on campus

but it is bad when things like this happen and noone knows about it

infact this is probably the first time something that happened in IIT made front page news !



about the attendance thing

this is the first time that the rule was enforced so strictly

80% is too high and the 20% includes medical leaves as well

and people who were stuck at home during the flood were asked to produce documented proof that they were actually home at that time !

lots of students infact fell short as we could bunk only 6 lectures in the whole sem

with 7 courses, a lab, Btech project and CAT GRE and all the other things it is a little too much to expect us to attend 80% of the lectures and do "Quality" work in btech proj.

and for students with other personal problems all this work load gets kinda unbearable and with 1 councellor for all the students and faculty cant expect to get much help.

and in a state liek taht there is nothin worse than your faculty advisor tellin you that u will have to stay back for a whole year. it might sound like i am making a big issue of a small thing like sitting in class but there were days in this sem when i had to attend lectures till almost 1 am !



about the net thing, it was decided that they will try be strict with attendance for a sem and if it dint work, they would pull the plug in the hostel area. than blaming the interenet i think they should concentrate on improving teaching skills.



all looks well to people outside because all the people outside see is the result and not the process.lots of changes need to be made in the system and i guess they are making the wrong ones. this was the best place on earth when i came here but now i cant wait to get it over with.



i just got back from an exam and have one more tomorrow

so more on this later

ta !

[Johnny]

Good to see my topic on the homepage, almost 2 years after I had started it. I had started it when I was still in IIT. Now, I am in Corporate.



@Vishrasayan: Have u studied Psychology anytime in ur career? Cuz ur reasons are very smart ones. The conclusion part is even better.



@FL dunno who you are, cuz I was away form the boards for long. You seem to be my junior. I was there at the time when that girl had commited Suicide. It was bad. But one cannot blame it on the IITs again. One has to blame the way she had grown up. For most of them at IIT, getting the top ranks right from class 1 becomes more of an obsession rather than achievement. She still had that thing with her, so She cudnt cope the pressure of seeing so many smarter ppl around her.



Now, coming to the Vijay Nukala incident. I think I know him too. He was my grand-junior. Just know him by face. His incident can be well blamed on the new rules that have come into place. They had actually started with our batch. I stayed back for 6 months more at IIT cuz of an XX. Infact I was in a worser situation than Vijay, when I was in IIT. but I didnt lose mah spirit. Infact got stronger, got out of IIT after staying for a semester more. Where am I right now? I am not anywhere less, infact I am better compared to my batchmates who had graduated a semester before me. So, all I want to say is that, It is really a great tragedy that Vijay cudnt get his determination in place to stop him from doing whatever he did.



No one can be blamed totally. But, yeah if the rules werent that stupid, or if vijay wasnt that weak hearted, things would have been better.

[Vishrasayan]

I didn't even realize I was "analyzing" a 2 year old post -



well as for the psych' angle - surviving corporates taught me that, i.e. reading in between lines....



thanx johnny btw for ur nice & friendly reaction - there are one too many reacting with put-downs for small offences.

[HH]

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[RK]

Special Greetings, "fl" & "Johnny" ... For Braving Out The System ... I, Too, Was Part Of The System ... Thirty Five Years Ago ...

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[Johnny]

Thank ya all...



Btw, Do u people agree to the comments of Prof. Anirban of IIPM?



He said in a paper promo, "These people, from IIT and all should be asked to pay back the penalty of not continuing in their specialisation, or else should be asked to do 7 - 10 years of Army or work in a government organization, before they can switch their career to a MBA. "





Now How foolish is that?

[akhilis2cool]

Thank ya all...

Btw, Do u people agree to the comments of Prof. Anirban of IIPM?

He said in a paper promo, "These people, from IIT and all should be asked to pay back the penalty of not continuing in their specialisation, or else should be asked to do 7 - 10 years of Army or work in a government organization, before they can switch their career to a MBA. "

Now How foolish is that?

wht a stupid comment!

just 'coz no serious student gives a damn abt IIPM

[HH]

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[fl]

Thank ya all...

Btw, Do u people agree to the comments of Prof. Anirban of IIPM?

He said in a paper promo, "These people, from IIT and all should be asked to pay back the penalty of not continuing in their specialisation, or else should be asked to do 7 - 10 years of Army or work in a government organization, before they can switch their career to a MBA. "


Now How foolish is that?

this is what happens when u give everyone a right of speech

[Jolly HP]

Thank ya all...

Btw, Do u people agree to the comments of Prof. Anirban of IIPM?

He said in a paper promo, "These people, from IIT and all should be asked to pay back the penalty of not continuing in their specialisation, or else should be asked to do 7 - 10 years of Army or work in a government organization, before they can switch their career to a MBA. "

Now How foolish is that?

wht a stupid comment!
just 'coz no serious student gives a damn abt IIPM

Was it Anirban or Arindam? NEways...nobody cares I guess.



By the way, have you ever noticed the paisa vasool ads IIPM comes out with? THey don't miss a single millimetre of the space they buy. And to think of it, so many students must be specialising in Marketing from IIPM. God save the companies that employ them.



On topic, from what I could gather from fl & Johnny's posts, life in IIT's is not easy. But then nobody should expect it to be easy either. I studied in a Sainik School and we were being trained for admission to the NDA. In school, we used to hear a lot of cases about trainees not being able to cope up with the tough life at the academy. But our teachers always used to inculcate the fact that such places (and IIT's & IIM's too) are meant for the best and the best need to prove they're indeed a cut above the rest. This, they can achieve by going through the gruelling life with a smiling face and come out with flying colours.

[spamtaneous]

adding furthur to johnnys post



this came from some one in iipm

"Academically Justified MBA programs with students of Diverse backgrounds should be of 3 years duration with atleast 24 hours a week contact hours. A recent proposal to introduce 1 year MBA program to people having 5 years experience(obviously non managerial experience for most of them)is deemed to DILUTE the academic content of the program to cater to emerging markets as demonstrated by ISB. Having FAILED to prove the superiority of their 2 Years MBA programs, the IIMS are lured by the HIGH FEES that ISB is able to charge and also to secure very high level of entry salary superceding the elitist salary of IIM Pass outs. Lacking confidence in their academic standards and contributions to business success, IIMs are trying to overcome their second class citizen status by entering into DE-VALUED 1 year MBA programs. The IIMS are thus victims of their own criteria of judging an institute's academic status of level of salaries its graduates can command from the market by restricting artificially supply of such graduates available to the Industry."

[akhilis2cool]

Thank ya all...

Btw, Do u people agree to the comments of Prof. Anirban of IIPM?

He said in a paper promo, "These people, from IIT and all should be asked to pay back the penalty of not continuing in their specialisation, or else should be asked to do 7 - 10 years of Army or work in a government organization, before they can switch their career to a MBA. "

Now How foolish is that?

wht a stupid comment!
just 'coz no serious student gives a damn abt IIPM

Was it Anirban or Arindam? NEways...nobody cares I guess.

By the way, have you ever noticed the paisa vasool ads IIPM comes out with? THey don't miss a single millimetre of the space they buy. And to think of it, so many students must be specialising in Marketing from IIPM. God save the companies that employ them.

their ads are darn hillarious...'dare to think beyond the IIMs'. and then they burn IBM PCs just coz one of its employees criticised IIPM in a mag owned by an IIM grad.

Wht kind of management are students going to learn over their?

On topic, from what I could gather from fl & Johnny's posts, life in IIT's is not easy. But then nobody should expect it to be easy either. I studied in a Sainik School and we were being trained for admission to the NDA. In school, we used to hear a lot of cases about trainees not being able to cope up with the tough life at the academy. But our teachers always used to inculcate the fact that such places (and IIT's & IIM's too) are meant for the best and the best need to prove they're indeed a cut above the rest. This, they can achieve by going through the gruelling life with a smiling face and come out with flying colours.

well, i think no student geting into the IITs minds working hard...



In the case of the guy who commited suicide too we knw he worked very hard. just like all others. the pblm came because of the 'XX' thing. AFAIK nothing like this existed earlier....but students did well in spite of having a low attendence...why make attendence so compulsory

[fl]

Thank ya all...

Btw, Do u people agree to the comments of Prof. Anirban of IIPM?

He said in a paper promo, "These people, from IIT and all should be asked to pay back the penalty of not continuing in their specialisation, or else should be asked to do 7 - 10 years of Army or work in a government organization, before they can switch their career to a MBA. "

Now How foolish is that?

wht a stupid comment!
just 'coz no serious student gives a damn abt IIPM

Was it Anirban or Arindam? NEways...nobody cares I guess.

By the way, have you ever noticed the paisa vasool ads IIPM comes out with? THey don't miss a single millimetre of the space they buy. And to think of it, so many students must be specialising in Marketing from IIPM. God save the companies that employ them.

On topic, from what I could gather from fl & Johnny's posts, life in IIT's is not easy. But then nobody should expect it to be easy either. I studied in a Sainik School and we were being trained for admission to the NDA. In school, we used to hear a lot of cases about trainees not being able to cope up with the tough life at the academy. But our teachers always used to inculcate the fact that such places (and IIT's & IIM's too) are meant for the best and the best need to prove they're indeed a cut above the rest. This, they can achieve by going through the gruelling life with a smiling face and come out with flying colours.

I think every person entering a campus knows exactly how tough the 4 yrs are going to be. But there must be a reason for enforcing any rule. the reason for the so-called poor performance of students in 4th year is not the internet as most outside people think. infact the professors in our department feel that the quality of B Tech projects has declined after the attendance rule was imposed.

[OsmaniaBiskit]

Institution does not make a good student - but students make a good institution. IITs accept the cream and in turn benefits from their good work.

All those funds/ grants should do some good

[lonewolf]

Good to see my topic on the homepage, almost 2 years after I had started it. I had started it when I was still in IIT. Now, I am in Corporate.

Off-thread: I read in an old thread that you were from HPSR. When did you pass out of your 10th/12th class?

[fl]

after roorkee and bombay its kanpur's turn now

read today's papers

[akhilis2cool]

after roorkee and bombay its kanpur's turn now
read today's papers

well, IE says the reasons for the death are not known as yet...

[ycr007]

There are conflicting reports in the press. While ToI says that he "jumped to death before a chemistry exam", DC quoted someone saying that he "had a massive cardiac arrest".



The family is in a state of grief and its better that the media respect their privacy & not hound them day in & day out.

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The truth is that the IITs too are beginning to age as institutions. One of the reasons they have stood out as an island of excellence in an ocean of Nehruvian Stalinist mediocrity is that they have had that most precious resource for an academic institution, freedom from political interference. Thus they were able to thrive and produce good alumni, who also happen to be fiercely loyal, as well as (to an extent) willing to put their money where their mouth is by creating endowments.

What is the return from the IITs? It is true that large numbers of graduates leave the country; but there is a non trivial number of them returning these days. What about the investments they have themselves made in India? What about the investments they have persuaded their employers to make in India? Is the enormous value of the brand reducible to monetary terms? Is Brand IIT worth a billion dollars?

I think people seriously underestimate the value of marketing and branding. For instance, the Blessed M Teresa circus and the resultant publicity created a billion dollars worth of positive publicity for the Vatican, while conversely creating ten billion dollars worth of negative publicity for India and in particular Calcutta, portraying both as hopeless pits.

Compared to that, the CBS video on the IITs, and the character Asok in Dilbert have now created an impression of IITs as among the best universities on the planet. This has a halo effect on Brand India in general: even Peter Drucker now talks about the 'Institute of Technology in Bangalore' [sic] as being world class. In other words, the IITs have entered the American lexicon, roughly on par with MIT, Stanford, Berkeley and Caltech.

On balance, then, the IITs have produced a good return on investment in my opinion.

But is the IIT model the only, and best, model for advanced education? Probably not. This is why I say the IIT model is aging. It is a fact that the IITs have not really kept up with the times. For instance, why are they still producing roughly the same proportions of engineers in various disciplines as they did in the early days? The market has moved on substantially. To some extent the IITs have kept pace, for example with computer science programs and some management programs.

But as far as I know, not a single IIT has a well regarded program in any of the great new frontiers of technology, in particular in biotechnology. Nor in nanotechnology, in new power technologies such as hydrogen fuel cells, in any cutting edge area, really. Why is this? One reason is that they are insulated from the market, as they are guaranteed a Rs 75 crore grant from the government every year.

I think this model may be obsolete. There could be new institutions that are more market oriented, which charge market rates, which are essentially for profit, private entities that have relatively little by way of social considerations: the model followed by the great private American universities. Of course, the government can divert research grants to them. Can the IITs mutate into this? Perhaps, but I doubt it: they are doing an excellent job right now churning out good engineers; so let them continue.

But let licenses be given to entrepreneurs to invest in private universities. For it is quite possible that as in the days of Nalanda, Taxila and Vikramashila, India will once again become a center for educational services, attracting many overseas students and thereby beginning to recreate the 'Greater India' of old: the cultural hinterland of India that once spread all over Southeast Asia and parts of Central Asia as well as Tibet. ...

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