Who is the No. 1 citizen of India?

by **Shahed** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:30 am

They have their own training camps where they learn how to kill peaceful & innocent people, how to hate and degrade any religion , They have all kinds of Illegal & deadly Arms which they use Openly without any fear , They mess up the Indian Economy & Peace , They claim that they are fighting for peace , Their Wrath always cracks on Innocent civilians , They Claim that they are the TRUE followers of their Religion. For them LAW(IPC) is nothing but a TOY and they can play with it as n when they like, They have right to Kill innocent people, They have right to Rape Innocent and Minor Girls, They have right to Burn Businesses & Properties , They have right to spread communal poison in the veins of young generation , Why Gandhi & Nehru & Others Value is Abating day by day ...They have right to Squeeze All Helpless & Coward Politicians. They claims that they are the only human beings and others are not. Why ONLY SOME OF THEM are labelled as \'TERRORIST\'. Now you have to decide who is No.1 in these great Citizens of India ..... AL-QAEDA , R.S.S , HURRIYAT, VHP , BAJRANG DAL , JAISH-E-MUHAMMED , SHIV SENA AND AN UNRULY MOB OF 5000-10,000 etc etc.. Recently.......P O T A .........has been introduced and started implimenting in a fine tune......... but the question is \'THIS LAW WILL BE APPLICABLE TO ALL\' ? How you will see the future of India - A Land of War , Weapons and Blood and Dead Bodies of Innocent & Peaceful Indians. How do you find India if the above and the dirty politics & politicians(Those who involved in various Scams,Riots & Conspiracies ) will be removed permanently ?? How & When India will become A peaceful State as it was few decades before.

by **a-e-z.** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

Shahed bhai, I would like to bring to your kind notice that Nehru did not have any values.

by **lucifer in disguise** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

I pity your understanding and awareness shahed.....how on the planet Earth can there be a organisation parallel to \"al-quaeda\"....
I dont understand as to why you people always call VHP, RSS as a terrorist organisation????do you have a slight comprehension as to what a terrorist organisation is all about......it is terrorize ppl by killing them.....how many ppl did the aforesaid organisations kill??

by **Shahed** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

Well luci....if you dont wanna accept facts or you belongs to any such group then you have options... By the way I am not pointing only towards RSS,VHP but every such organization. India lost 1000\'s of innocent people-Indians and properties worth of multi crores Both in Communal Riots(Since Babri Masjid Demolition) as well as at Border(Kashmir). Since 1992(Bombay .. Gujraat..Kashmir) to till date this GAME OF BLOOD is creating a Havoc and disturbing social life & Economy of India and still continuing. Every peaceful indian is disturbed with these heinous and inhuman acts. And for me any such organisation which is meant to hate particular country , people or community is a Terrorist Organization and should be wiped off completely by the Police or Someone Else..... I am sure your opinion will be changed after attending few such Camps, where they teach only hatred and NOT LOVE and PEACE. Their aims are more dangerous than any Nuke weapon. I am not a narrow minded person and respect all religions , I have more Hindu friends than Muslims and we do celebrate all festivals together and I served the nation by donating my blood several times including hindus. I can send you the list & phone nos. of the people & my hindu friends you can confirm with them. And I dont see any difference between Mahabharat\'s ...\'LAKSHA-GRAH\' and \'DRAUPADI VASTRA HARAN\' after Gujraat Riots. In both the cases Innocent people were tried to burned or Burned and Women was physically abused in front of All the World and no one (Neither Govt. Nor Police) was there to Stop and Punish Evils Hand. Does any religion teach such heinous Acts ? .................A U.S. Report in Deccan Chronicle 01 May 2002 Wednesday : US group nails Modi on Gujarat riots New York, April 30: Charging Gujarat government with complicity in the attacks in which \"hundreds\" of Muslims were killed, a US-based human rights group has asked international community to put \"pressure\" on the Indian government to end violence against minorities.
The Human Rights Watch said the government should \"comply with International Human Rights and Indian constitutional law\" to end the \"orchestrated violence.\"
In a report released on Tuesday, it also urged the Indian government to \"actively seek the assistance of international agencies and to invite UN Human Rights experts to investigate State and police participation in the violence in Gujarat.\"
In the highly critical report, the Human Rights Watch alleged that State officials in Gujarat were directly involved in the killings of \"hundreds of Muslims\" since February 27 and were engineering a massive cover-up. What happened, it says, was not a \"spontaneous uprising.\" It was a \"carefully orchestrated\" attack against Muslims planned in advance and organised with \"extensive participation of police and State officials.\"
The 75-page report directly implicates police officials in all the incidents it documents. It alleges police personnel as telling Muslims that they have no order to save them and in many incidents even leading \"murderous mobs,\" aiming and firing at Muslims. \"Under the guise of offering assistance,\" the report alleges, \"some police officers led the victims directly into the hands of their killers.\"
\"Panicked phone calls made to the police, fire brigades, and even ambulance services generally proved futile.\" The report says its representatives visited Ahmedabad three weeks after the initial attacks and spoke to both Hindu and Muslims survivors of the attacks.
According to the report, three days of \"retaliatory killing spree\" by Hindus following attack on a train in Godhra left \"hundreds dead and tens of thousands homeless and dispossessed. The looting and burning of Muslim homes, businesses, and places of worship was also widespread. Muslim girls and women were brutally raped. Mass graves have been dug throughout the State,\" it says.
The report quotes gravediggers as telling its representatives that bodies keep arriving, \"burnt and mutilated beyond recognition.\" Burnt Muslim shops and restaurants, the watch says, dot the main roads and highways in Ahmedabad.
Between February 28 and March 2, it adds, thousands of attackers \"descended on Muslim neighbourhoods, clad in saffron scarves and khaki shorts, the signature uniform of Hindu nationalist groups, and armed with swords, sophisticated explosives, and gas cylinders.\"
They were, it alleged, guided by voter lists and printouts of addresses of Muslim-owned properties-information obtained from the local municipality.
The report alleges that the groups involved in the violence against Muslims include the VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS and the BJP government....I have still more but ..I think this is enough to guide the misguided ones.

by **lucifer in disguise** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

my deep felt condolenses to ALL the innocent ppl affected by gujarat riots....i appreciate ur kind feelings, shahed, but when we give our condolences, lets not forget those ppl who were burnt down to death initially in Godhra....lets not look into the cause n effect theories......
secondly i will tell you RSS means rashtriya swayam sevak sangh, it means a society with self reliance, it has nothing to do with VHP or any religion......but it rather talks about self sufficiency and other economic issues like upliftment of poor etc.....n finally 90% of hindus dont appreciate talking much about religion..

I would have appreciated ur board had you mentioned prof.abdulkalam, N.R.narayanamurty etc as the persons, no 1 citizens of the country, but i am now more disappointed as you have boiled down the discussion on a religious ground....

by **Farhaan** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

# 1 citizen of India is Narender Modi because his achievments are much higher compare to Mr. Abdul Kalaam. Lets have a look on Narender Modi\'s major acheivments (8000 to 10000 innocent human lives, 3000 Rapes, Brunt thousnads of houses, disabled 25,000 innocents, looted properties in crores etc etc). History will not forget this inhuman for his great achievements. Where as Mr. Abdul Kalaam\'s achievments are un-considerable. Narender Modi\'s is a right person for the post of President.

by **lucifer-in-disguise** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

ya fahraan, but he is the CM rt now, he will contest for the president later.....take it eezee......could he stop those unruly mob burning down a compartment initially....so how can he stop the other incidents later......he is after all a human being, whose blood boils at the same temperature as yours, but still being the CM he has done very well in controlling the situation there.....

by **Shahed** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

Hey Luci...once again u misunderstood me. I am against those people & organizations who are involved in innocent killings. And when I say \'Innocents killings\' It includes everybody(All Religions , All parts of the country n World). When u r pleading for R.S.S. & V.H.P. can you convince anybody that R.S.S. & Others are not involved in gujrat riots, killing of 1000\'s of innocents , I have given you such a big proof what else you want. To help poor or weaker section there is no need for Conducting SHAKHAAS(Where they learn how to attack with Guns, laathis, Knives & Swords on ENEMIES)....who are their ENEMIES in this country ? Innocent People..Helpless & Burning Womens...Small & Unborn Childs(Why they forgot that they are also Indians & living peacefully). To help poor NO NEED to armed with swords, lathis, Guns , Trishuls, Gas cylinders and ANTI RELIGION SLOGANS. Will they teach in their camps how to protect WOMENS/MINOR GIRLS from Clutches of Evils(Unruly Mob) and respect WOMEN - NO, will they teach in their camps to respect another religion and believe in peace - NO , Instead of Laathis & Guns Can\'t they carry bunch of Flowers to their Camps and offers others to come and join and helping poor people - NO...... Just tell me one thing do you agree with me dat 1. The people responsible for Innocent Killings, Rapes ,Fire ,Riots in Gujraat or any part of the country , they are criminals & should be punished, You want to punish them or not, irrespective of their religion. What about those honorable and respected people who are involved in 1000\'s of crores worth of SCAMS , they ruined the country and still moving freely and contesting in elections & other activities. You dont want to punish them .. I will be the first person to raise my hand to punish or hang those people who are involved in Godhra and after Godhra and in Scams ..And before that I prefer to hang those responsible people who silently saw and actively involved in this inhuman disastar , If they want they could have save this disastar & human lives upto some extent but they doesn\'t. They simply betrayed this country and themselves. They forgot their OATH once they have taken in front of the world to protect their mother land and its people and work for peace and progress........ And at the same time I salute to ALL those who protected the human lifes and made an example of humanity.
2. Every Indian want peace and progress do you think dat the existance of these kind of organizations(All) will allow them to live peacefully and think of progress. We have crores of organizations in our country who are helping poor and needy people but they are NOT armed with Swords ,Guns and laathis. This is the basic difference between a terrorist group and other group. What R.S.S , Bajrang Dal, V.H.P and all other so called terrorist groups are doing in their camps everybody knows that.. For sure I can say onething about them that they are not talking about \'PEACE\' and \'COMMUNAL HARMONY\'......Remember these kind of organizations creating the Gap between religions and the Gap is increasing Day by Day... And it can be patched up only by banning such organizations and spread Love & Respect Amongst Each Other.

by **Shahed** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

The people who did not telerate \'GANDHI JI\' The Father of Nation ....and killed him.. FYI many people even now dont respect Gandhiji & Others(Who gifted Independence to us against their lives & Sacrifises)...Then How come they Tolerate Abdul Kalaam and his acheivements. Everybody knows about N.R.Godse and to which Org. he belongs to.

by **Guest** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

Well done Shahed.

by **Mustang.** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 am

Hey lucif,

Modi s not just a human being, he is a responsible CM. He has powers to stop whatever happened but the fact is that he did not. Why? U know better. And to ur question why RSS and VHP should be treated as terrorist org, they exactly fit to the description of terrorist org u have given in earlier discussion. And in reply to ur point that the who intiated the godhra killing, govt has to identify the culprtis and punish only them but not kill all the people of a particular community.

by **lucifer-in-disguise** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

I give a damn to the person who talks about religion.....
for i dont care....secondly what i felt was interesting in RSS was there logical explaination of self reliance and practical ways to uplift the cottage industry sector in India....some stupid ppl in RSS are probably more towards religion.....but just learn there views on economy.....you WILL salute there ideas........n finally which country does not have scams, what \'bt enron etc....try to think of a model by which we can produce 240 million tons of food grains, enuff vegetables,meat, oil, etc, to support the billion strong population.....CAN YOU?....no way u can , no way even i can, but go to some RSS, they will be discussing how it is possible,because they are a team.....n they act there plans,,,

finally dont equate RSS to bajrang dal n VHP....

hey, shahed, let\'s leave the dirty politics to those dirty ppl out there... there is never a logical conlusion to such stupid political discussions...

by **lucifer-in-disguise** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

mustang, there is something called nazism in Germany, n the German police is considered as one of the most efficient in the world , even now.......the Govt openly condemns nazi movements in Germnay, but still these guys are able to kill some ppl, so will you say that the govt failed......NO....it has to come from within the ppl.....some thing like tolerance......if you urself are not tolerant why blame some one else......take care

by **hardcoder** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

Well, I don\'t know what difference it would make as to who becomes the next Prez, but I am kind of shocked at Lucifer\'s comments regarding the RSS and Modi\'s behavior. Every Tom, _ and Harry knows that the Gujarat govt was on a genocide spree, and Moslems were being targetted and even their Hindu friends who helped them were not spared. Since the BJP has come to power, many Christians and Moslems have been killed in incidents made to pass off as accidents and I have first hand reports of it, and the frustrating part is that nobody in the government really cares. The Gujarat riots, or as I prefer to call it the genocide of the Indians Moslems in Gujarat, were an icing... or maybe there are more to follow, with a poetic PM, a home minister who loves to give clean chits to everyone in the RSS and VHP cotorie, and our most beloved defense minister who says that rape and murder is most common and trivial. The RSS has never been a nationalist party and neither have its stooges. They are just out to kick out the minorities from this country. Installing Kalam as the next Prez of the country is just a cheap gimmick. After all, how does it really matter who becomes the next Prez? Does the Indian prez have any powers? It is the PM who calls the shots and his sidekicks. I am disgusted with the affairs of India. It just keeps getting worse day by day. Anyone who opens his/her mouth is made to shut up either by threats or their protests are just brushed aside.

by **Shahed** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

Luci... I want only YOU to explain me by yourself. Its only BJP which talks much about religion. Their foundation & existance is based upon religion. If they dont talk this...they die. Our Honorable PM has time to enjoy vacation in Manali ...but he doesn\'t have time to visit Releif Camps and Share their pain...I hate politics & any such organizations ...I dont want to even discuss them or Spit on them if they will not disturb any common peaceful human being....Many politicians are the DIRTY DOGS who sucks the blood of poor & innocent people and eat their flesh and they continue this till they hanged to death... and this will never happen coz...unfortunately we have LAW but only for poor and middle class average people. It will not applicable for Rich people, Criminals & Currupt Politicians..\'bt RSS I agree with you there is no comparison between RSS and others, In Software there is something called frontend and backend process So in this case VHP,BAJRANG DAL etc. etc. are working as a frontend process and RSS-Top Brass working as a backend process. The Evil plans are coming from RSS and VHP,BJ Etc. will implement it and BJP Govt. will support unfortunately. This 240 million tons of grains etc etc will be of NO use, Do you think RSS. & Others wish share this with other minorities. Forgot the Earth Quake in Gujraat n how these people distributed food in the name of Humanity .... To get a packet of food they forced the poor,needy people to say SOMETHING. How many examples and prooves you need.......Just visit the Camps of Gujraat and listen to the victims. Can you feel the pain of that women to whom an Iron Rod inserted in her Vegina and it came out of her Chest. Can you feel the pain of that women who is stirred and raped by 10-20 people on the roads, Many of them Burnt Alive in front of Police. Just try to burn or Cut your ONE finger then you will realize. If you put little pressure on your mind you will find 100\'s of countries where there is NO SCAM. And India has the largest nos. of Scams...And the govt. which is unable to protect innocent people, their properties , their womens , their children from Evils have NO RIGHT TO STAY. When they are unable to protect poors how one can expect that they will punish the KILLERS ? ...The FACT is POLITICIANS(MOST PARTIES)...POLICE...RSS...VHP...BJP...BJ and many others are involed in Gujraat Massacre, I am not only But the Whole World is Saying this no one can deny this fact...They put India\'s head down with Shame in front of the whole World....And nobody knows what will be the consequences of this Massacre and this event will not be forgotton till centuries.......
BTW you remarked something about Saudi Team in your board, and now France - The are the Former World Champions and they also counld\'t manage to hit a single goal in this WC and now Out of the game . Can you laugh on them also...Cum on Luci.. Be Sportive and don\'t humiliate any loosing team every thing is possible in any Game and nobody knows about tomorrow.

by **Anand** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

Add Argentina to the list of early exiters! Super Snout is writhing in pain!

by **Shahed** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

To all my friends on this board ...Specially Luci... Please dont take it very personally and be cooperative and friendly. Our aim will not to pin point each other but should be finding out the way to get Peace , Love & Respect towards different religion, Progress of Nation, Respect the Adorable creature Called \'WOMEN\'. Even in Wars they wont behave womens like this ...If anyone found Guilty of Crime he must be Punished accordingly. Dont you know this \'Bacche Bhagwaan ka Avtaar hote hai\' then how can you tolerate those who brutally killed and burned these little stars. Unless we unite and fight against these evils we can\'t acheive peace and progress in India. We are civilized, educated and responsible persons of India and India\'s Progress lies in our Efforts and Good deeds..If we bites each other like this then how come we think about progress. Again I am telling the British BOMB which they have thrown 50 years before in India is still actively working and killings 1000\'s of innocents .. and ONLY POLITICIANS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. Unite and Disable this divide and Rule Bomb.

by **lucifer-in-disguise** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

firstly to what i said about YOUR fav team saudi arabia, kulchaa gave a good reply......now i cannot reply to guys who cannot understand me properly....
secondly after going through ur lengthy essay, i can tell you one thing for sure...the media reports the way it is supposed to report, most of them are tailored....
one small example, when Pakistan was supporting U.S, every foreign newspaper hailed it as the best and critisised India sharply on Gujarat issue, but when Daniel Pearl got murdered and other events took place in Pak , fro which paki govt turned a deaf ear esp to teh request of US , now they picture pakistan as the most horrible place on the planet.....

so take it eezee, dont read a lot of shit in the news papers , try to read some thing \'bt the dvpts in science , business etc.....which will make you a better person, what will u achieve with all this hatred towards politics n other organisations???

by **Shahed** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

Dear friends if anybody read Hindi please see today\'s (12.06.2002)... Navbharat times.. Another blot on BJP And Modi(Government).... from American Camp.

by **naomi** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

Hey Guys, I guess we should stop blaming the Govt for every terrible thing that happens in our country, I remember the riots that had happened in the old city a few years back- the Congress was blamed. Its not the Govt- the existing ruling party or their so called powers, but the problem lies with the pscyche of the common man itself.I guess,Basically,we as a society (every single person out there- Indian)r getting frustrated over things unattainable or unacheivable (especially looking at the progress being made abroad).
People who r ambitious r trying their level best to jump out of the country and those who remain vent it out in the way thats best suited to them.
For ex. I am a christian and after all we r just 3% percent of the Indian population (considered to be a great threat- ?) and I for one know how things r turning out; even though the papers never have the guts to quote (and I wonder if this will be censored by Full hyd!!). Many Christians blame it on the Govt, but in my experience as a christian I can feel it at the Grass root level, from the work place to the society in general (And if u\'r thinking Im paranoid, Im paranoid).Look at Graham Steines case (An Australian doctor burnt to death in Orissa), was he and his children burnt to death by the \'GOVT\'or a person gone insecure of his identity.
Was he killed \'cause he preaching the gospel. Man, we\'ve been doing it for centuries. Its in our blood and our faith to preach the good word (and just for correction, I wonder why people think that Christians try to convert others, for heavens sake, its not getting into an other religion but getting into a relationship with the Lord, and its their CHOICE).
Why r all these feelings of insecurity creeping in,
We as Indians r definitely heading for a crises with ourselves wanting to find our identity in fanatism, western thought and culture. We r heading for destruction, not just plain physical,but mentally, emotionally and mind u spiritually. Dont Blame the Govt, we make the Govt, we can stop anything we dont like, if we first have a perception of what we want and what we stand for, Changing our perception and drawing the line where humanity starts and stop blaming I mean really stop blaming others for the things that happen.
Yeah, the incidents at Gujarat are outright condemnable, But when there was a person lashing out , I really wish there was another kicking him back, instead of each one running for his own safety and inturn leaving the helpless to be massacred so brutally. I guess our generation (each one of us) should first be trained to fight our internal forces rather than keep cribbing about pakistan, Briain and US and our very own GOVT.

by **naomi** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

HEy, its supposed to be who is the special person r something.... Im sorry guys, I just got carried away,

by **DD.** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

### To the general public: Most of the people I can safely say 90% are illiterate. Among this catagory Lucifer fits perfectly! These people cannot talk anything except to the party they belong to. Instead of helping the progress of the country, these illiterate vagabonds are trying to create havoc between diff communities. Hindus, Muslims and Christian brothers be aware. Have the feeling of nationalism in you.####

by **Sameer.** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:30 am

The number 1 citizen of india is the **Rickshaw Puller**
He does not take bribe, he is giving all he has to the community.He does not have time for racial feelings.
He is mostly satisfied with his bread.

by **lucifer-in-disguise** » Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:30 am

wowow, naomi, what a logical explaination man......hats off.....i fully appreciate...........I wonder how many rational mortals like you are left out in hyderabad,...just one single n final poitn to all guys here, WHO INITIATED THE GUJARAT RIOTS, DID YOU GUYS EVER CONDEMN THAT????
NEVER....so why do you ppl only blame the after effects.....

Once a atomic bomb detonates, it just does\'nt stop by itself, the radiations and after effects are felt for a long time......ppl suffer because of that bomb......I once again say, Modi has done quiet well in supplying the proper coolant in proper time n bringing down the tention.....else by now millions would have died because of that bomb detonated initially by the PEOPLE known to every one here.....

by **lucifer-in-disguise** » Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:30 am

please mind your language,DD is all i can say...if u can give a logical reasoning to support ur point then say something.....nothin personal please....only logical explainations appreciated....

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