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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:49 pm

Jaan wrote:1. What happens now? Can the family demand any justice? Can/will there be any criminal charges? Emotional damages?




What justice? What is his crime in the first place? Was he alone at it? Would he have been able to harass her so much without the help of 'well meaning' elders, friends and every worthless idiot out there trying to solve 'family problems'?It is a disease. One vidyasagar going to jail over harrasment charges is not gonna solve anything as long as the community thinks that a womens abode is her husbands home no matter what the husband is like.



I dont know what really happened, and I will never know it. But I know this for sure: the day vidyasagar tried to talk to kavitha, if a 'well meaning' elder had punched that bastard in his face, she may have been alive today.
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by Akshay » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:32 pm

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:One vidyasagar going to jail over harrasment charges is not gonna solve anything as long as the community thinks that a womens abode is her husbands home no matter what the husband is like.




We should not let our specific issue be bogged down by a utopic goal and do something concrete regarding this specific issue within a reasonable span of time. Focusing on this specific issue will not solve the general social problem but will provide positive results such as:

1) We will do some justice to Kavitah as our friend.

2) We will give confidence to any of our members who is or might become a victim.

3) We will dissuade any member who harbors intentions of vidyasagar and family.

4) This discussion forum will hopefully have a wider offline impact too.

5) We will send the message that this forum, in addition to being a discussion forum, is a support network which follows the word with action.



I do not know the facts of Kavitha's case, but assuming the written in the news and in this forum true, I think we should:

1) form a coordinating team

2) start a fund

3) take Kavitha's family into confidence

4) formulate a plan

5) make an action list

6) pursue the actions vigorously.



As some suggested, we should go to media, go to police and ensure the case is being followed up, takeup legal counsel and rest not till Sagar and family is prosecuted.



The justice being so slow in India, I am not averse to

1) using goondas as another member suggested

2) arranging a band to be played with placards and announcements in front of Vidyasagar's house and office, as was done to tax defaulters in rajamundry.

3) Going to womens organizations

4) Going to anti dowry NGOs



I am sure we have people from different professions in this forum so I request relevant people to step up and announce how they can help, even if you have some close ones not in this forum but can be of help.



I live in US and can do the following from here:

1) Some fund contribution

2) Probably can get some social pull

3) Introduce some lawyer.





I sincerely hope we will not let Kavita's life go in vain by not walking the talk.





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by CtrlAltDel » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:37 pm

since the cops registered this as a dowry death, vidyasagar n his family wud surely be in legal trouble. now all depends on how kavitha's family lawyer/govt prosecutor handles the case.



abt his remarrying, no one legally can stop that.
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by Akshay » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:42 pm

One more idea. Probably we can also start a database of dowry-death perpetrators. This will be a list for any would be spouses to refer before they enter into matrimony. Rather than being exhaustive it will be a good reference point.



A chosen few should have the right to enter a name into the database, and every one in the database should have a right to appeal against their entry.



Probably this site can also start maintaining several other databases, each dealing with a specific social issue.
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by lonewolf » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:48 pm

Akshay wrote:we can also start a database of dowry-death perpetrators. This will be a list for any would be spouses to refer before they enter into matrimony.




Yes, like the sex offenders database.



Anyone got more details of him? His photo, details, resume, place of work? Lets put up his photo so that everybody knows what he looks like.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:30 am

Akshay wrote:We should not let our specific issue be bogged down by a utopic goal and do something concrete regarding this specific issue within a reasonable span of time. Focusing on this specific issue will not solve the general social problem but will provide positive results such as:




Its not a utopian goal, but my demand that everyone be punished for this crime is realistic. Anyway, lets save it for another thread. This thread is to discuss further course of action and I whole heartedly supports Jaans suggestion of hiring goondas to beat him up.
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by DQ » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:06 am

Well Lone, I have been tied following the events of the SA Quake.



Apart from work have been trying to mobilise funds etc so that they can reach the needy ASAP.



Appaling that these boards tend to ignore the entire episode.



Its a natural disaster, It has effected so many many people.



What the globe does not realise is this is a rugged terrain, if help is does not reach these people there will be over 2 millions deaths.



So many things have come to the fore. With this tragedy.



- The frustation of the Indian soldiers when they say "We are 15 mins away from helping the dying but we cannot do so, due to the political tensions."

F...K what Politics there are 100's and 1000s dying humanity should come to the fore not politics.



- Pak administration, huh Mr Mush shying and shhooing critcism. Comparing the new orleans situation. Your People are dying idiot. shut your mouth and work.



- Paks closest ally, started of with $100,000 raised to $10 million now and 8 helicopters is what they could afford. Hope Pak learns a lesson now, that being self sufficient is more important then being reliant on some one and pestering others does not help in any way.



- How ill prepared Humanity is, we can't get are act to gether. These days we just wake up to stories of death, have a morning coffee and off to work. We still bloat with pride on starting wars, develop weapons....we should be prepared for such calamaties and be in a position to help each other.



Well now to the topic, sorry I am going to shun my usual self and CAD in no way is this a personal attack on you.



If all this is true its really really sad.



It is personally disturbing to know that some one you "ah well knew online" had to go through all this and had such a horrific and sad end.



As all of you have pointed out, there needs to be a social uphevel against this. Women and their rights have to be protected.



This is one Kavita we know of, there are billions more around the globe. Domestic violence is just not a Indian problem.



There are laws to protect women against this but they invariabbly work.



Lets now concentrate on India.



I like Akshays idea create a database of these sadists.



For a start lets create a web site. Starters :



We will gather daily reports from all Police stations around Hyderabad for



- All cases registered for violence / atrocities (dowry,rape,etc)against women.

- The web will on a weekly basis update what is happening to these cases.

- If political or Police pressure increses in certain cases the web will highlight it.

- The web will fund and finance action groups who will make every women aware that they can come forward and report abuse and their security will be preserved.

- We will aim at raising an international awareness and work towards protecting and ensuring women receive justice.

- Justice is one thing allowing social life to go on is another.

- We will strive to protect these women and ensure they are provided for and become self sufficient and reliant.



CAD what the F...K were you doing.



Could you not have taken other people in this board into confidence to work towards a solution.

Heavens sake neither are you level headed not are you a councillor why the F...k did you dorn the role of an arbitrator.

When the _ VS contacted y did you allow him to continue, you could have shunned him and ridiculed him publicaly. If he would have hung himself no remorse dude.(he deserves a worse end)

H.a.r.a.m ka pilla G.an.du,aurat pe haath utha ke aapni mardangi pe itrara.

why did you not ask kavita to meet a counsillor to work all this out.

AH MAN DAMN.



There could be so much done.

Beleive me if this board is geniune there could be so much done, if hands are joined, 5 years from now there will be not be another Kavita.



How the heck do work places allow people to be stalked into offices.

Wht the f.u.c.k is happening.

If it is known the work place should report the matter to the police.
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by HH » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:53 am

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by CtrlAltDel » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:22 am

DQ wrote:....CAD in no way is this a personal attack on you.
:lol: laaaait......
DQ wrote:CAD what the F...K were you doing.

Could you not have taken other people in this board into confidence to work towards a solution.
how can i? she told her story to me in confidence. i dont go around discussing other people's personal issues behind their back. but if i had guessed that it wud all end like this, maybe i wudnt have kept quite :(
DQ wrote:Heavens sake neither are you level headed not are you a councillor why the F...k did you dorn the role of an arbitrator.
When the _ VS contacted y did you allow him to continue, you could have shunned him and ridiculed him publicaly.
i never tried to play the arbitrator tho he tried his best to get me to be one. he just started mailing me out of the blue. in fact it was only after a few mail exchanges asking for some 'help' that he reveled that he was kavitha's husband. i was always blunt with him and refused to talk on his behalf to kavitha. he was always approaching kavitha's colleagues and friends trying to get them to speak to her on his behalf...
DQ wrote:why did you not ask kavita to meet a counsillor to work all this out.
i did do that and offered to give her the address of a good councellor i know...but she always said she was fine and got used to it now...:(
DQ wrote:How the heck do work places allow people to be stalked into offices.
Wht the f.u.c.k is happening.
If it is known the work place should report the matter to the police.
thats coz of vidyasagar's oscar worthy teary act. he used to approach her colleagues and plead with them to support him. he also publicly plead with kavitha directly in front of all. she quit whn the embarrassment and questioning from colleagues became too much to bear.
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by Unbelievable Injustice » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:54 pm

thats coz of vidyasagar's oscar worthy teary act. he used to
approach her colleagues and plead with them to support him. he also
publicly plead with kavitha directly in front of all. she quit whn the
embarrassment and questioning from colleagues became too much to
bear.


hello friends,

I am new to this forum and I dont know who kavitha is but

I read the whole thread and got some background info on it. Why cant women be attacking?Why didnt she just slap him infront of her colleagues and settled the case then and there.Any man's ego would hurt if he is slapped by his wife infront of public. What would he do? Kill her? I dare him.Life's no better for her anyway.Her friends and well wishers instead of consoling her if they would have encouraged her to slap him they would have done her a great service.I am sure that would have pissed him off and he would have done something really stupid which would have landed him in a deepshit.



If he can pull off a teary act and impress the stupid family elders as

our CAD informs, then the elders are the real perpetraters of this

gruesome crime. How can those elders sleep with that guilt? If they

have even the slightest humanity left in them, they should drag him out

of his house,undress him and kick him in the groin.Rent an auto and a amplifier and loudspeaker and anounce in the locality what he did to his wife.

People like him should be kept alive and be punished every single moment till he dies.Monsters dont die an easy death.



Rest In Peace Kavithaji.

I pray that agony and trauma felt by you would cause a life miserable to him with magnitude atleast million times more than you.
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by RevengeKiller » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:58 pm

thats coz of vidyasagar's oscar worthy teary act. he used to
approach her colleagues and plead with them to support him. he also
publicly plead with kavitha directly in front of all. she quit whn the
embarrassment and questioning from colleagues became too much to
bear.


hello friends,

I am new to this forum and I dont know who kavitha is but

I read the whole thread and got some background info on it. Why cant women be attacking?Why didnt she just slap him infront of her colleagues and settled the case then and there.Any man's ego would hurt if he is slapped by his wife infront of public. What would he do? Kill her? I dare him.Life's no better for her anyway.Her friends and well wishers instead of consoling her if they would have encouraged her to slap him they would have done her a great service.I am sure that would have pissed him off and he would have done something really stupid which would have landed him in a deepshit.



If he can pull off a teary act and impress the stupid family elders as

our CAD informs, then the elders are the real perpetraters of this

gruesome crime. How can those elders sleep with that guilt? If they

have even the slightest humanity left in them, they should drag him out

of his house,undress him and kick him in the groin.Rent an auto and a amplifier and loudspeaker and anounce in the locality what he did to his wife.

People like him should be kept alive and be punished every single moment till he dies.Monsters dont die an easy death.



Rest In Peace Kavithaji.

I pray that agony and trauma felt by you would cause a life miserable to him with magnitude atleast million times more than you.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:37 am

Bump!



Its been almost a month... seems everyone expressed their opinions and forgot it at that. I know we all have our own work problems in life, but lets not allow this incident fade away from our memories.



Mods, can you please sticky this thread?
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:42 am

yes...we shud not forget this incident....soon i will contact her brother and post the current progress in her case here.
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by betty » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:06 pm

Will wait for it...good for you to bump the thread MM
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by san » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:27 pm

I don't think this issue will be forgotten. I have not been able to post on this early as it was way too shocking, specially since I met her couple of times although very briefly. I was aware she was going through a rough patch and that she was pulling through fine, that everything was heading the right way for her. I did try to reach her but obviously did not try hard enough. I did believe what I heard. Damn! Somehow feel quite rotten about it all.



Kavita



I really am sorry. Can't imagine what that moment was like for you...



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by Sad HP » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:21 pm

My bad that I missed this thread completely. And reading the posts on it, it seems that this incident is already a month old. But better late than never.



My heartfelt condolences to her family. RIP Kavitha.
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