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by Lucifer » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:37 am

Thought of having a thread on physics. Just may be keep those concepts fresh. Here we start with Heisenberg. :D



Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle wrote:If several identical copies of a system in a given state are prepared, measurements of position and momentum will vary according to known probability distributions; this is the fundamental postulate of quantum mechanics. We could measure the standard deviation Δx of the position measurements and the standard deviation Δp of the momentum measurements. Then we will find that


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where Image is Planck's constant (h) divided by 2π. (In some treatments, the "uncertainty" of a variable is taken to be the smallest width of a range which contains 50% of the values, which, in the case of normally distributed variables, leads to a larger lower bound of h/2π for the product of the uncertainties.) Note that this inequality allows for several possibilities: the state could be such that x can be measured with high precision, but then p will only approximately be known, or conversely p could be sharply defined while x cannot be precisely determined. In yet other states, both x and p can be measured with "reasonable" (but not arbitrarily high) precision.

In everyday life, we don't usually observe these uncertainties because the value of h is extremely small.




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by spamtaneous » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:58 am

e = mc2 :?
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by KK » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:06 am

U did not list mike faraday :shock: ??

http://inventors.about.com/library/inve ... araday.htm



certainly refreshes my memory where I blew the house fuse when trying to magnetize a small iron rod by wounding copper wire around and passing current thru it :lol:
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by Lucifer » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:26 am

I was talking mainly about theoretical physicists and not inventors. If you noticed, I left out Edison too for that very reason.



Anyway... More dope on what spamtaneous posted.



General relativity wrote:Two-dimensional visualization of space-time distortion. The presence of matter changes the geometry of spacetime, this (curved) geometry being interpreted as gravity.

General relativity (GR) or general relativity theory (GRT) is a geometrical theory of gravitation and cosmology published by Albert Einstein in 1915. In this theory;

* Spacetime is treated as a curved 4-dimensional Lorentzian manifold,
* Spacetime is curved by the presence of mass, energy, and momentum (or stress-energy) within it.
* The relationship between curvature and spacetime is governed by the Einstein field equations, and
* Inertial motion occurs along timelike and null geodesics of spacetime.

In general relativity, gravitation is not due to a force. Instead, phenomena that in classical mechanics are ascribed to the action of the force of gravity (such as freefall, orbital motion, and spacecraft trajectories) are taken in general relativity to represent inertial motion in a curved spacetime. So what people standing on the surface of the Earth perceive as the 'force of gravity' is a result of their undergoing a continuous physical acceleration caused by the mechanical resistance of the surface that they are standing on.

One of the defining features of general relativity is the idea that gravitational 'force' is replaced by geometry.

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Two-dimensional visualization of space-time distortion. The presence of matter changes the geometry of spacetime, this (curved) geometry being interpreted as gravity.


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by spamtaneous » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:28 am

KK wrote:U did not list mike faraday :shock: ??
http://inventors.about.com/library/inve ... araday.htm

certainly refreshes my memory where I blew the house fuse when trying to magnetize a small iron rod by wounding copper wire around and passing current thru it :lol:




hehe.....ditto

i blew the fuse for the entire building (4 families)....when i tried to charge the batteries with a battery charger which i made out of a thermacol box and 2 copper wires... :lol:
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by spamtaneous » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:30 am

we all know of 3D and can visualize it....can any one visualise 4D :?:
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by Lucifer » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:35 am

Spamtaneous, I don't know about others but I cannot visualise 4 D. Except that I know the fourth dimension refers to time. It is more like time and space affect each other. Fascinating concept.



In fact, I don't know if anyone has done Linear Algebra. It is supposed to be a mathematics course but it talks of n dimensions where n tends to infinity. Now visualise that!
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by spamtaneous » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:45 am

Lucifer wrote:Spamtaneous, I don't know about others but I cannot visualise 4 D. Except that I know the fourth dimension refers to time. It is more like time and space affect each other. Fascinating concept.

In fact, I don't know if anyone has done Linear Algebra. It is supposed to be a mathematics course but it talks of n dimensions where n tends to infinity. Now visualise that!




hey luci...just imagine this...



there is an ant which is trapped inside a ring...now suppose that it can only imagine 2D...it can travel in X and Y direction and doesnot know of Z direction....hence it cannot escape from the ring...



similarly imagine that, u r trapped in a cube...which is closed from all the 6 sides.... if u can imagine 4th dimension, then u can get out of the cude without breaking it....



this has given a fair idea of what 4D could be....
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by vakibs » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:52 pm

the list cannot be complete obviously. But the omission of Maxwell's name is conspicuous. I would have rated him the coolest. 8)
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:07 am

greek n latin to me..... :?



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by spamtaneous » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:47 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:greek n latin to me..... :?

...one of the few threads (not started by HH) where i dont know what to say... :(




mebbe the saying "god knows" is not valid anymore.... :twisted:
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:53 pm

spamtaneous wrote:
CtrlAltDel wrote:greek n latin to me..... :?

...one of the few threads (not started by HH) where i dont know what to say... :(
mebbe the saying "god knows" is not valid anymore.... :twisted:
well....gods specialize in various things...like God of Fire, God of War etc...and i am definitely no God of Physics :(
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by ycr007 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:57 pm

CAD: The God of Small Things..... :lol:
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:42 pm

ycr007 wrote:CAD: The God of Small Things..... :lol:
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u got it wrong....



its actually God of (Pretty) Young Things :D
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by ycr007 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:44 pm

that makes u a Dog then.......Darling of girls :lol: :lol:
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by A » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:35 pm

Lucifer wrote:Spamtaneous, I don't know about others but I cannot visualise 4 D. Except that I know the fourth dimension refers to time. It is more like time and space affect each other. Fascinating concept.

In fact, I don't know if anyone has done Linear Algebra. It is supposed to be a mathematics course but it talks of n dimensions where n tends to infinity. Now visualise that!




It is easy to see obejcts even in fourth dimension. Here is how you do it... take a look at any object... lets say chair... Then go have your breakfast... While you are burping away to glory, imgaine the chair you saw ten minutes ago... You are viewing the 3-D object chair which looked a like a chair Ten minutes ago.. So technically you have the time coordinate and the space coordinates as well (at that time!)
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by blah » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:59 pm

vakibs wrote:the list cannot be complete obviously. But the omission of Maxwell's name is conspicuous. I would have rated him the coolest. 8)




Maxwell is pretty cool, but he is in no way the kind of creative that Newton or Einstein were. Most of the theory behind Maxwell's equations was already known. Maxwell's equations are really rewritten forms of Gauss, Faraday and Ampere using Vector Calculus. Maxwell's contribution was only the addition of one extra term to the Ampere's law. Of course, turns out that was pretty important as that was what resulted in the unification of Electricity and Magnetism under the umbrella of Electromagnetic Theory.



On the topic here is a cool photograph. There is probably more brain in this picture than .... (leaves it to imagination)





http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/ae66.htm
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by Jaszalcatraz » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:26 am

Nice pic man
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by lizardking » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:56 am

I would say Neils bohr, but he is not really included,

cos most of the work of the people we have mentioned above was more of a continuation of each other or quite related, but Bohr was original, he was responsible for the concept of the atomic model and the energy.

My knowledge of Quantam dynamics and mechanics is limited as i tend to appreciate classical physics a lot more, maybe it has to do with the lack of my understanding of mathematics or maybe it has to do with the my direct application of classsical physics in biology, for a living that is.



but, otherwise, i would not really differentiate one classical physicist from another because most of them were independent of each other, like faraday or Newton



And about visualisation of time space, try to imagine the object in a different reference frame from the co ordinates u are in, it is pretty simple, all u got to have is a bit of imagination.
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by vakibs » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:37 am

blah wrote:
vakibs wrote:the list cannot be complete obviously. But the omission of Maxwell's name is conspicuous. I would have rated him the coolest. 8)


Maxwell is pretty cool, but he is in no way the kind of creative that Newton or Einstein were. Most of the theory behind Maxwell's equations was already known. Maxwell's equations are really rewritten forms of Gauss, Faraday and Ampere using Vector Calculus. Maxwell's contribution was only the addition of one extra term to the Ampere's law. Of course, turns out that was pretty important as that was what resulted in the unification of Electricity and Magnetism under the umbrella of Electromagnetic Theory.




This is precisely why I admire Maxwell. If not for Maxwell, it would have been possible for somebody like Einstien to propose his theories. The beauty of Maxwell's contribution is that he brought everything into a single mathematical framework which easily lends itself for analysis. Actually, Maxwell is considered to be a first class mathematician with contributions as huge as that of Newton and Gauss. Applied mathematics as well as theoretical physics owe a lot to him.



For the sake of comparison, I can cite the example of Shannon. His mathematical theory of information is a huge step in telecommunications and CS. If not for him, half the research areas in CS would not have even existed. Ditto for maxwell.
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:17 am

u guys forgot our own CV Raman? :shock:
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by Lucifer » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:24 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:u guys forgot our own CV Raman? :shock:


Look at the poll options CAD. Raman's name is in them too. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:48 pm

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CtrlAltDel wrote:u guys forgot our own CV Raman? :shock:
Look at the poll options CAD. Raman's name is in them too. :roll: :roll: :roll:
i was refering to the fact that no one has been discussing his work here yet.
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by Lucifer » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:02 pm

Continuing the thread. Here are one of the fundamental laws.

Newton's Laws of Motion wrote:Newton's First Law: Law of Inertia

This law is also called the Law of Inertia or Galileo's Principle.

Alternative formulations:

* Every body's center of mass continues in its state of rest, or of uniform motion in a right [straight] line, unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed upon it.
* An object in motion, will remain in motion and an object at rest, will remain at rest, unless acted upon by an unbalanced force (in which the NET force is not 0).
* A body's center of mass remains at rest, or moves in a straight line (at a constant velocity, v), unless acted upon by a net outside force.

In calculus notation, this may be expressed as: Image

Despite the fact that Newton's First Law appears to be a special case of Newton's Second Law, the First Law defines the reference frames in which the other two laws are valid. These reference frames are called inertial reference frames or Galilean reference frames, and are moving at constant velocity, that is to say, without acceleration. (Note that an object may have a constant speed and yet have a non-zero acceleration, as in the case of uniform circular motion. This means that the surface of the Earth is not an inertial reference frame, since the Earth is rotating on its axis and orbits around the Sun. However, for many experiments, the Earth's surface can safely be assumed to be inertial. The error introduced by the acceleration of the Earth's surface is minute.)

In less formal terms, Aristotle thought that things stood still if you left them alone, that to be at rest was natural, and that movement needed a cause. It would be natural to think thus, as any movement (except for that of celestial objects, which were deemed perfect) that one observes eventually stops because of friction. But Galileo's experiments, with a ball rolling down an inclined plane, found that "Things travel naturally at a steady speed (which may or may not be zero), if left alone".

Moving from Aristotle's "A body's natural state is at rest" to Galileo's discovery (Newton's First Law) was one of the most profound and important discoveries in physics. In everyday life, the force of friction usually acts upon moving objects, slowing them down and eventually bringing them to rest. Newton described a mathematical model from which one could derive the motions of bodies from elementary causes: forces.

Newton's Second Law: Fundamental law of dynamics

Alternative formulations:

* The rate of change in momentum is proportional to the net force acting on the object and takes place in the direction of the force.
* The acceleration of an object of constant mass is proportional to the resultant force acting upon it.

These formulations may be expressed mathematically in the following ways:

Image
or
Image if m is constant.

where

* F is the force acting,
* m is the mass of the object in question,
* a is the object's acceleration,
* v is the object's velocity, and
* p = m\mathbf{v} collectively is called the object's momentum.

This equation expresses that

* the more net force acts on an object, the greater the change in its momentum will be.

The quantity m, or mass, in the above equation is a characteristic of the object. For an object of constant mass m (a constant of proportionality) the more net force acts on an object, the greater the change in its acceleration will be. This equation, therefore, indirectly defines the concept of mass.

In the equation, F = ma, a is directly measurable but F is not. The second law only has meaning if we are able to assert, in advance, the value of F. Rules for calculating force include Newton's law of universal gravitation.

But F = ma is not always valid. In general both the mass of the object and its velocity can be variable. For this case:
Image

This equation works in cases when the mass is variable. This equation is also valid in special relativity if we express the momentum as Image, where γ is Image.

The physical meaning behind this equation is important as it implies that objects interact by exchanging momentum, and they do this via a force.

Taken together with Newton's Third Law of Motion, Newton's Second Law implies the Law of Conservation of Momentum.

Newton's Third Law: Law of reciprocal actions

Alternative formulations:

* Whenever one body exerts force upon a second body, the second body exerts an equal and opposite force upon the first body.
* Momentum is conserved.

The very common formulation "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" should be avoided, as it is, at best, ambiguous and confusing. A better formulation would be that when there exists a force acting on a body A, due to another body B, there exists also a reciprocal force, acting on body B, due to the existence of body A.

These formulations imply that if you strike an object with a force of 200 N, then the object also strikes you (with a force of 200 N). Not only do planets accelerate toward stars; but, stars accelerate toward planets. The reaction force has the opposite direction of action, and is of the same type and magnitude as the original force. However, it doesn't necessarily "line up" in space with the action. One example of this is a force on an electric dipole due to a point charge, when the dipole points in a direction perpendicular to the line connecting the point charge and the dipole. The force on the dipole due to the point charge is perpendicular to the line connecting them, so there is a reaction force on the point charge in the opposite direction, but these two force vectors are parallel and, even when extended to a line, they never cross each other in space.

It is often contended that Newton's third law is incorrect when electromagnetic forces are included: if a body A exerts a force on body B, then body B will in general exert a different force on body A (the force considered is the Lorentz force, generated by electric and magnetic fields). However, modern theory predicts that the electromagnetic field generated by such interactions itself transports momentum via electromagnetic radiation, and Newton's third law is valid if the momentum of the field is included in the calculations.




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by kk » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:50 pm

vakibs wrote:
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vakibs wrote:the list cannot be complete obviously. But the omission of Maxwell's name is conspicuous. I would have rated him the coolest. 8)


Maxwell is pretty cool, but he is in no way the kind of creative that Newton or Einstein were. Most of the theory behind Maxwell's equations was already known. Maxwell's equations are really rewritten forms of Gauss, Faraday and Ampere using Vector Calculus. Maxwell's contribution was only the addition of one extra term to the Ampere's law. Of course, turns out that was pretty important as that was what resulted in the unification of Electricity and Magnetism under the umbrella of Electromagnetic Theory.


This is precisely why I admire Maxwell. If not for Maxwell, it would have been possible for somebody like Einstien to propose his theories. The beauty of Maxwell's contribution is that he brought everything into a single mathematical framework which easily lends itself for analysis. Actually, Maxwell is considered to be a first class mathematician with contributions as huge as that of Newton and Gauss. Applied mathematics as well as theoretical physics owe a lot to him.

For the sake of comparison, I can cite the example of Shannon. His mathematical theory of information is a huge step in telecommunications and CS. If not for him, half the research areas in CS would not have even existed. Ditto for maxwell.


When Shannon published his work, it was titled as "A mathematical of communication", the community soon realized that it should named as "The mathematical theory of communication"
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