[b]Mangal Pandey - the rising MOVIE REVIEW[b]
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no...no...u got it the other way....actually amir adopted YCR's avtar as his look for the film...talking wrote:...Ycr had Mangal Pandey's avatar...
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CtrlAltDel wrote:no...no...u got it the other way....actually amir adopted YCR's avtar as his look for the film...talking wrote:...Ycr had Mangal Pandey's avatar...
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ycr007 wrote:CtrlAltDel wrote:no...no...u got it the other way....actually amir adopted YCR's avtar as his look for the film...talking wrote:...Ycr had Mangal Pandey's avatar...
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talking wrote:ycr007 wrote:CtrlAltDel wrote:no...no...u got it the other way....actually amir adopted YCR's avtar as his look for the film...talking wrote:...Ycr had Mangal Pandey's avatar...
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Re: Mangal Pandey - the rising MOVIE REVIEW
Mangal Pandey wrote:[b]Mangal Pandey - the rising MOVIE REVIEW[b]
though mangal's revolt is not the first against goras, it is the most publicised one
BTW, I was nearly Lynched When I saw the Link u gave, at Work.It contained some...err...'Objectionable' Scrolling Pix and Here was Me Busily Reading the Review Unmindful of the Pix with the Gals & Faculty Jus' Behind my Shoulder......
Thankfully I Noticed them in Time and Pounced on the Alt+F4 ASAP
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Re: Mangal Pandey - the rising MOVIE REVIEW
lol!!! bach gaya bond, as always!ycr007 wrote:Mangal Pandey wrote:[b]Mangal Pandey - the rising MOVIE REVIEW[b]
though mangal's revolt is not the first against goras, it is the most publicised one
BTW, I was nearly Lynched When I saw the Link u gave, at Work.It contained some...err...'Objectionable' Scrolling Pix and Here was Me Busily Reading the Review Unmindful of the Pix with the Gals & Faculty Jus' Behind my Shoulder......
Thankfully I Noticed them in Time and Pounced on the Alt+F4 ASAP
me did not bother with the review portion of the link. Had enuff distractions.
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i wuz too distracted to read the review....
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Ahhh....Finally got to see Mangal Pandey-The Rising.Was a Wee Bit Disappointed abt not getting to see it in Prasadz But Hey! What the heck!
An Aamir Khan Movie after 4 Years was definitely a Must-See Anywhere.
The Movie was Ok.It Could have been infinitely better though.Th Biigest drawback of the movie is its Deviation from the Main Theme of the Sepoy Mutiny.Agreed that Whatever Historical Accounts were there about Mangal Pandey Would'nt Have made a Full Length Feature Film,But too many Distractions Somewhat Dampen the Movie's Essence.
Firstly,Both Rani Mukherjee & Amisha Patel are Totally Wasted.Their Roles Could have been Entirely Done away with.Secondly,Too many Characters Make either an Unwantd or an Unexpected/Unaccounted Appearance.There was the character of an Englishwoman's maid which popped up Quite unncessarily at the start. Also Mukesh Tiwari's Character of Bakhth Khan,Makes An Unexpcted Entry & an Unknown Exit.Those 'Envoys' From Bahadur Shah Zafar & Peshwa Saheb also are Not Too Well-Etched.
Now for the Performances.Aamir Khan Yet again Delivers a Virtuoso Prformance and His Dedication towards this Movie for the better part of Four Years Truly Shows out in his Portrayal of Mangal Pandey.But IMHO,he was More Fiery in Sarfarosh Than in Mangal Pandey
Toby Stephens,as Mangal's English Friend was Outstanding.Not Only does he perforr Excedingly well,he also manages to hold out his own against Aamir in Some scenes,esp. His 'Outburtsts' at the General's Chambers.
Rani Mukherjee & Amisha Patel are Totally Wasted.
One Can't Help feeeling that Aamir had a 'Hand' in the Casting of the Movie.
Some Characters of Lagaan are repeated in Mangal Pandey.The Sweeper is eerily Similar to 'Kachra' in Lagaan.The 'Vice Captain' in Lagaan is there too
Music is a Big Letdown.A.R.Rahman & Javed Saab hav failed to Recreate their earlier Magic.Xcept for the Title Track,No Other Song is Even Remotely Good.Spl. Mention must be made of Kailash Kher & Sukhwindara Singh who Render the two versions immaculately.Rahman's Score in Lagaan & Bose was faaar better.
There are Glaring Inconsistencies in the movie.The 'Villagers' of Amisha Patel Disappear Midway in the Movie.Toby Stphen's & the General's Daughter's Love Track Mysteriously Disappears.Toby & Amisha's Affaire L'amour is also Very Vague & Tacky! The Corruption in East India Company affair too appears & disappears again for no apparent reason.
I Noticed Some Goofs too.In 1853,Toby Stephens is Shown as a young officer without a Moustache and Aamir has Long Tresses,tied up in a Ponytail.In 1857,Toby Stephens has grown his moustache & hair but Aamir Khan retains the same look
Also,the Sweeper Sees the English Platoons Arrive from Rangoon in "Graphically Designed" Boats from the Banks of a River
And Within Minutes of their Landing,they are Up n Running on their Horses and attacking the Barrackpore Cantonment.
All Said & Done,I'd say that the movie was Excellent in Patches,Good Overall.Some Scenes do Stand Out for their Excellent Picturisation and effortless acting by Aamir.The Mutiny Scene,Confrontation with Toby over the 'Bullet-Grease' Lie,Aamir facing the Cannon Head-On & Screaming 'Fire',Aamir getting Bashed up by English Officers in the Jail, are some scenes which deserve Applause.
Of all The recent patriotic movies I've seen,I'd rank Mangal Pandey just a wee bit above Bhagat Singh (Ajay Devgan Version) and a Rung Lower than Lagaan.
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Heres what i go to say.
1 .The movie is badly edited. Normaly the sync sound method of shooting that Lagaan,Swades and Mangal Pandey extensively used lets the director see how the movie is taking shape much before it hits the editing table. Knowing this i am surprised how MP turned to be such a looser in this department.
2.The movie starts well with the 'Mangal Mangal' by Kailash Kher, but the folks singing 'Mangal Mangal' on elephant tops could have been avoided. This is best as a song depicting a mood and not something that needs to be sung. Agreed that in those days, there were folks singing siting on top of elephants, but this was bad.
3. An 'epic' movie of this kind needs to show the scale of production. As in,
when you show a large army marching using daylight photography, let the army brigade strech till the horizon. The camera needs to pan out and show you the scale of 'power' so to say. In this movie, the camera just pans a wee bit because there were hardly people to show. The depiction of 'power' was not convincing and did not inspire.Else, use closeups like it was done in The Last Samurai.
4.History has not documented Mangal pandey's era very well. All that is
documented is the Enfield Gun episode that apparently sparked a revolt. History does not even say that Mangal Pandey had such long hair and that he escaped from being killed even if there were several people from the marching battalion shooting directly at him! This movie has made the fictional inputs rather obvious and 'filmy' . The movie fails to explain the connection between Mangal pandey's revolt to what Tantya Topey and Rani Lakshmi Bai did afterwards. Bahadur Shah Zafar did nothing much in cooperation, but Rani Bhai did. Post hanging, Om Puri says nothing about what Rani Lakshmi Bhai did and how all these got connected to the political movement in the early 20s till Independence. This could have been summarised since narrarion was planned. Agreed that this movie was about Mangal Pandey, but the movie also says ' The Rising'. It would have been better to show the 'Rising' of the revolt and the participants.
5.The defining movement when Mangal finds out about the usage of Cow and Pig fat for the cartriges has been badly handled. It has been given a touch of a TV serial and the shock of the movement has not been commununicated well. The music was a major failure here.
6. Pointless insertion of songs. I am not against songs, but in such movies there is a parallel story thats progressing with the song in the back drop. This one has songs at the wrong places.
How can Mangal Pandey, who has been an outcast for quite sometime, bitten cow greese and severaly injured sing happy holi songs? and i dont remember any character remarking anything about holi. I can only imagine that since Mangal pandey has been waiting for the British batallion scheduled to arrive on April 1st, the current month would be March and
thats when Holi falls. Phew!
7.The music is very average. Going by what rahman can do and has done before, Mangal Pandey does not have even have half of what Rahman can provide. His music can give you that heavy choking feeling which many experienced in certain scenes of Swades and many other movies. This one is such a normal and half hearted effort that it shows. Few directors can
actualy do justice to his music and ketan mehta is certainly not there yet.
8.Too many characters to think about. I am compelled to think in the lines of Mangal Pandey actually being an accidental hero blown out of proportion. Else, i should be having an idea of why the primary purpose of revolt against East India company turned against British Raj itself.
Things actually got worser, post Mangal Pandey. Queen of England took over the Indian rule!
1 .The movie is badly edited. Normaly the sync sound method of shooting that Lagaan,Swades and Mangal Pandey extensively used lets the director see how the movie is taking shape much before it hits the editing table. Knowing this i am surprised how MP turned to be such a looser in this department.
2.The movie starts well with the 'Mangal Mangal' by Kailash Kher, but the folks singing 'Mangal Mangal' on elephant tops could have been avoided. This is best as a song depicting a mood and not something that needs to be sung. Agreed that in those days, there were folks singing siting on top of elephants, but this was bad.
3. An 'epic' movie of this kind needs to show the scale of production. As in,
when you show a large army marching using daylight photography, let the army brigade strech till the horizon. The camera needs to pan out and show you the scale of 'power' so to say. In this movie, the camera just pans a wee bit because there were hardly people to show. The depiction of 'power' was not convincing and did not inspire.Else, use closeups like it was done in The Last Samurai.
4.History has not documented Mangal pandey's era very well. All that is
documented is the Enfield Gun episode that apparently sparked a revolt. History does not even say that Mangal Pandey had such long hair and that he escaped from being killed even if there were several people from the marching battalion shooting directly at him! This movie has made the fictional inputs rather obvious and 'filmy' . The movie fails to explain the connection between Mangal pandey's revolt to what Tantya Topey and Rani Lakshmi Bai did afterwards. Bahadur Shah Zafar did nothing much in cooperation, but Rani Bhai did. Post hanging, Om Puri says nothing about what Rani Lakshmi Bhai did and how all these got connected to the political movement in the early 20s till Independence. This could have been summarised since narrarion was planned. Agreed that this movie was about Mangal Pandey, but the movie also says ' The Rising'. It would have been better to show the 'Rising' of the revolt and the participants.
5.The defining movement when Mangal finds out about the usage of Cow and Pig fat for the cartriges has been badly handled. It has been given a touch of a TV serial and the shock of the movement has not been commununicated well. The music was a major failure here.
6. Pointless insertion of songs. I am not against songs, but in such movies there is a parallel story thats progressing with the song in the back drop. This one has songs at the wrong places.
How can Mangal Pandey, who has been an outcast for quite sometime, bitten cow greese and severaly injured sing happy holi songs? and i dont remember any character remarking anything about holi. I can only imagine that since Mangal pandey has been waiting for the British batallion scheduled to arrive on April 1st, the current month would be March and
thats when Holi falls. Phew!
7.The music is very average. Going by what rahman can do and has done before, Mangal Pandey does not have even have half of what Rahman can provide. His music can give you that heavy choking feeling which many experienced in certain scenes of Swades and many other movies. This one is such a normal and half hearted effort that it shows. Few directors can
actualy do justice to his music and ketan mehta is certainly not there yet.
8.Too many characters to think about. I am compelled to think in the lines of Mangal Pandey actually being an accidental hero blown out of proportion. Else, i should be having an idea of why the primary purpose of revolt against East India company turned against British Raj itself.
Things actually got worser, post Mangal Pandey. Queen of England took over the Indian rule!
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Not to mention, the distortion of history.
Was nt the fisrt shot of the "mutiny" shot at kanpur as against Barrackpore as shown in the movie?
And no one called the mutiny 'the First war of Indian independence' until Ishwarchand Vidya sagar, but in the movie it was depicted as thought Aamir khan says it.
Was nt the fisrt shot of the "mutiny" shot at kanpur as against Barrackpore as shown in the movie?
And no one called the mutiny 'the First war of Indian independence' until Ishwarchand Vidya sagar, but in the movie it was depicted as thought Aamir khan says it.
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Agreed that History was Distorted,but the movie's 'Disclaimer' at the start Clearly mentions that 'some' events have been 'added' to the movie so as to make it a full-length feature film.And that these portions are entirely fictious.
So taking that into account,those 'Added portions' constitute the bulk of the portions that did not go down well with the audience
And Om Puri's Narration does mention at the end that this mutiny was called
'The First War of Indian Independence' and was crushed in about a year.It also says about The Queen takling over from the East India Company.
So taking that into account,those 'Added portions' constitute the bulk of the portions that did not go down well with the audience
And Om Puri's Narration does mention at the end that this mutiny was called
'The First War of Indian Independence' and was crushed in about a year.It also says about The Queen takling over from the East India Company.
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Whatever!
the movie was a gr8 watch. Didnt seem slow at ne stage.
the movie was a gr8 watch. Didnt seem slow at ne stage.
he is arrested when their regiment is stopped midway...ycr007 wrote:Also Mukesh Tiwari's Character of Bakhth Khan,Makes An Unexpcted Entry & an Unknown Exit.
yeah...the english captain whom MP beats up frequently also acted in lagaan...but the sweeper is different.ycr007 wrote:Some Characters of Lagaan are repeated in Mangal Pandey.The Sweeper is eerily Similar to 'Kachra' in Lagaan.The 'Vice Captain' in Lagaan is there too
it doesnt. the night gordon is insulted by his senior, he realises he is not fit to live with them (the rich englishmen)...ycr007 wrote:Toby Stphen's & the General's Daughter's Love Track Mysteriously Disappears.
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akhilis2cool wrote:he is arrested when their regiment is stopped midway...ycr007 wrote:Also Mukesh Tiwari's Character of Bakhth Khan,Makes An Unexpcted Entry & an Unknown Exit.
On the Contrary,Bakhth Khan,When informed of the Halt,says that he'll go & Inform the men.But the General says "Khoi Zaroorath Nhai!" & That's It.
I Said 'Eerily Similar' and Pray,Why does Every Squint's Name in Hindi Movies has to be 'Nainsukh'????akhilis2cool wrote:yeah...the english captain whom MP beats up frequently also acted in lagaan...but the sweeper is different.ycr007 wrote:Some Characters of Lagaan are repeated in Mangal Pandey.The Sweeper is eerily Similar to 'Kachra' in Lagaan.The 'Vice Captain' in Lagaan is there too
Was he living with them in the first place? And what does the Seniors Gotta do with Love?? (Assuming that Gordon Cares Two Hoots about the Villagers as well)akhilis2cool wrote:it doesnt. the night gordon is insulted by his senior, he realises he is not fit to live with them (the rich englishmen)...ycr007 wrote:Toby Stphen's & the General's Daughter's Love Track Mysteriously Disappears.
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yeah, and he says that with a peace of paper in his hand. and after later two english sepoys walk in around him.ycr007 wrote:On the Contrary,Bakhth Khan,When informed of the Halt,says that he'll go & Inform the men.But the General says "Khoi Zaroorath Nhai!" & That's It.
why not?ycr007 wrote: I Said 'Eerily Similar' and Pray,Why does Every Squint's Name in Hindi Movies has to be 'Nainsukh'????
Living with them as in making friends with the rich...ycr007 wrote:Was he living with them in the first place? And what does the Seniors Gotta do with Love?? (Assuming that Gordon Cares Two Hoots about the Villagers as well)
didnt u listen to the narrative??? om puri clearly says "us raat gordon ko ehsaas hua..." cant remember the whole dialogue but what he means is easy to understand
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So we take for granted that he is arrested? Why did'nt his Followers react? I Suppose he was taken off in a Different Direction.akhilis2cool wrote:yeah, and he says that with a peace of paper in his hand. and after later two english sepoys walk in around him.
akhilis2cool wrote:didnt u listen to the narrative??? om puri clearly says "us raat gordon ko ehsaas hua..." cant remember the whole dialogue but what he means is easy to understand
I Did hear that.It says abt Gordon being Pissed off abt the Generals Seeing him as Not Equal to them coz of his Birth.Als when Mangal is getting beaten up in the jail and Gordon says "....better beat an Englishman like me".The others say that "You,an Englishman!!!"
But does that Terminate his Love for the general's Daughter? Thatz not mentioned,is it?
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what makes u so sure that they were deeply in love?ycr007 wrote:I Did hear that.It says abt Gordon being Pissed off abt the Generals Seeing him as Not Equal to them coz of his Birth.Als when Mangal is getting beaten up in the jail and Gordon says "....better beat an Englishman like me".The others say that "You,an Englishman!!!"
But does that Terminate his Love for the general's Daughter? Thatz not mentioned,is it?
The narrative specifically mentions that gordon had lost interest in the generals daughter...
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bah! who cares...
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yeah, overall the movie is worth watchingCtrlAltDel wrote:bah! who cares...
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akhilis2cool wrote:what makes u so sure that they were deeply in love?
The narrative specifically mentions that gordon had lost interest in the generals daughter...
Eh....Is that Mentioned?? I remember Om Puri saying that "Gordon General ki beti ko pasand karta tha....". And there is the 'Almost Kissing' Scene.....
But when is the "lost Interest" narrative made
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bah...jaake dekhinge phirse apun donoycr007 wrote:akhilis2cool wrote:what makes u so sure that they were deeply in love?
The narrative specifically mentions that gordon had lost interest in the generals daughter...
Eh....Is that Mentioned?? I remember Om Puri saying that "Gordon General ki beti ko pasand karta tha....". And there is the 'Almost Kissing' Scene.....
But when is the "lost Interest" narrative made
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Amir looked hot with his long, soft, curly tresses. Guess Rani & Amisha were sprinkled to keep the male audience happy warna Toby & Aamir are eye candy for the ladies.
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