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by DQ » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:14 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:
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DQ wrote:Do you agree RSS is NRM


they are trying to practice their religion wonlee :wink:
Hinduism is a peaceful religion and if anyone commits voilence in the name of Hinduism, they are not true/good hindus. We are only ordained to 'defend' ourselves when attacked. :evil:


SO RSS is Hinduism which is a NRM?


Brilliant conclusion!


Agree?


ofcourse, hinduism is baad baad baaad I say. Islam is the only solution. Allah-hu-Akbar!




AS I told you. You need a real check up dude, Whose talking about Islam here. Just a query, RSS is Hinduism Agree or Disagree?
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:18 am

DQ wrote:AS I told you. You need a real check up dude, Whose talking about Islam here. Just a query, RSS is Hinduism Agree or Disagree?




Good lord, now I cant even say that Islam is the only religion and only solution?



on a serious note, RSS is not a religion.
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by DQ » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:26 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:on a serious note, RSS is not a religion.

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:they are trying to practice their religion wonlee :wink:
Hinduism is a peaceful religion and if anyone commits voilence in the name of Hinduism, they are not true/good hindus. We are only ordained to 'defend' ourselves when attacked. :evil:


Xeno wrote:Is there no peaceful way to defend in your religion other than violence ,since your religion keeps evolving like darwins theory of evolutions,or are your peaceful ways to defend so violent that your religions foremost organization RSS is blacklisted as the most dangerous cult in the world...




Apart from Pyshic attacks do you also suffer from amnesia
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:33 am

DQ wrote:
Mayavi Morpheus wrote:on a serious note, RSS is not a religion.

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:they are trying to practice their religion wonlee :wink:
Hinduism is a peaceful religion and if anyone commits voilence in the name of Hinduism, they are not true/good hindus. We are only ordained to 'defend' ourselves when attacked. :evil:


Xeno wrote:Is there no peaceful way to defend in your religion other than violence ,since your religion keeps evolving like darwins theory of evolutions,or are your peaceful ways to defend so violent that your religions foremost organization RSS is blacklisted as the most dangerous cult in the world...


Apart from Pyshic attacks do you also suffer from amnesia




DQ, I can speak, write and understand Hindi too. So if you are finding it difficult to comprehend English, we can converse in hindi/urdu.



I will try in English one last time, let me know if you still cant udnerstand it (btw, buy "english for morons" from the maket.)



Now, RSS is not hinduism, but the members are hindus and practice hinduism. There is no GOOD hindu or BAD hindu, everything is Karma. There are no "guiding principles" in hinduism like there are in Islam. The RSS members follow their interpretation of hinduism like Alqaeda follows their own interpretation of Islam. This doesnt mean tht Islam is Alqaeda, does it?
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by DQ » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:37 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:
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Mayavi Morpheus wrote:on a serious note, RSS is not a religion.

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:they are trying to practice their religion wonlee :wink:
Hinduism is a peaceful religion and if anyone commits voilence in the name of Hinduism, they are not true/good hindus. We are only ordained to 'defend' ourselves when attacked. :evil:


Xeno wrote:Is there no peaceful way to defend in your religion other than violence ,since your religion keeps evolving like darwins theory of evolutions,or are your peaceful ways to defend so violent that your religions foremost organization RSS is blacklisted as the most dangerous cult in the world...


Apart from Pyshic attacks do you also suffer from amnesia


DQ, I can speak, write and understand Hindi too. So if you are finding it difficult to comprehend English, we can converse in hindi/urdu.

I will try in English one last time, let me know if you still cant udnerstand it (btw, buy "english for morons" from the maket.)

Now, RSS is not hinduism, but the members are hindus and practice hinduism. There is no GOOD hindu or BAD hindu, everything is Karma. There are no "guiding principles" in hinduism like there are in Islam. The RSS members follow their interpretation of hinduism like Alqaeda follows their own interpretation of Islam. This doesnt mean tht Islam is Alqaeda, does it?




Can you paste your last post in "Walled Off" ?



If only you could understand plain english there......huh!
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by ycr007 » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:43 am

A United States-based think tank has clubbed the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh with al Qaeda and some other groups as examples of New Religious Movements




The Only thing i'd Like to point it out is that "A United States Based Think Tank". Since when did we start toeing the So-Called Think Tank's Opinions.Do we know which Eminent Personalities are there in that "Think Tank"???

While we go about Condemning The US Invasions,its policies and every other Goddamn thing that the US Stands for,why are we Squabbling about what the US Think Tank has to say??



Suffice to say that the RSS is a Homegrown Organization with its own Ideals.And if it were prudent enough to follow the Ideology that "My Freedom Starts where your Nose Begins",iit would have made far less trouble than it faces now,be it from Conservationalists or the Aam Junta or the Posters Like u n me.......
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:48 am

DQ wrote:Can you paste your last post in "Walled Off" ?

If only you could understand plain english there......huh!




which part?
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by lonewolf » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:52 am

ycr007 wrote:While we go about Condemning The US Invasions,its policies and every other Goddamn thing that the US Stands for,why are we Squabbling about what the US Think Tank has to say??




On a slightly converging platform: India keeps getting battered by various terrorists and militant groups, and the US refuses to brand them dangerous until they get directly affected by them. So yeah, why should we care two hoots for what the US "think-tank" thinks about these groups? Thats for India to handle. These think-tanks are just products of bored American NGOs who have no other work but to read old articles and collect random statistics. Nothing positive will come out of it.
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by DQ » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:53 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:
DQ wrote:Can you paste your last post in "Walled Off" ?

If only you could understand plain english there......huh!


which part?




XENO describes them best will leave it to him to describe which part.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:56 am

DQ wrote:XENO describes them best will leave it to him to describe which part.




Is that the kind of defence you guys were talking about?
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by DQ » Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:58 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:
DQ wrote:XENO describes them best will leave it to him to describe which part.


Is that the kind of defence you guys were talking about?




Oh so you concur with Xenos description in the COW/OX thread
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by CtrlAltDel » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:00 am

DQ wrote:
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DQ wrote:XENO describes them best will leave it to him to describe which part.
Is that the kind of defence you guys were talking about?
Oh so you concur with Xenos description in the COW/OX thread
if that thread is an example of how xeno prefers to debate, i pity u guys :lol:
wtf? i no longer care if my posts hurt yr feelings :roll:
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:02 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:
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DQ wrote:XENO describes them best will leave it to him to describe which part.
Is that the kind of defence you guys were talking about?
Oh so you concur with Xenos description in the COW/OX thread
if that thread is an example of how xeno prefers to debate, i pity u guys :lol:




no silly, they are only displaying their upbringing.
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:04 am

DQ wrote:
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DQ wrote:XENO describes them best will leave it to him to describe which part.


Is that the kind of defence you guys were talking about?


Oh so you concur with Xenos description in the COW/OX thread




Isnt that against quran? Now you are just being a kafir.
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by Xeno » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:06 am

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:
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DQ wrote:XENO describes them best will leave it to him to describe which part.


Is that the kind of defence you guys were talking about?


Oh so you concur with Xenos description in the COW/OX thread


Isnt that against quran? Now you are just being a kafir.




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by ycr007 » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:25 pm

Guys,Aren't we Digressing from the Topic By Bringing in the OX/COW topics & the Kafir Threads?



Continuing from Lonewolf's Reply,I too think on the same lines. So,where does that lead this debate?
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by Sharjeel » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:39 pm

Have not read the whole thread, do not need to because me can make out that it is bullshit from the last couple of posts.



I have lived in Nagpur, which is the HQ of RSS. We were the only muslim family (apart from our landlords) in the whole colony. Our building was between two mandirs.



Yet, Nagpur is mashaAllah the most peacful cities in India. I have never felt any kind of large scale animsoity or hate from any RSSians, of which many were my friends. They do have some radical views, but most of them are for the benefit of the country.



There are good and bad people in every organisation. RSS may be the poster-child of the so-called hindu fundamentalist forces, but they have not done anything so far to deserve such harsh words.



Beleive me, I have first hand experience of the RSS and most of them are very ncie people, so quit posting website news and please post your own views.
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by akhilis2cool » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:52 pm

^^^^That ends the debate I guess :idea: :arrow:
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by Portuguese Man-Of-War » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:53 pm

I have been following the rather vituperative discussions on religion the last few days.



IMHO, religion is a way of thinking and living invented to protect us from doing things that will hurt us and others around us, and give us peace of mind.



We should keep our religious beliefs to ourselves. I would preach tenets of religion to someone only if I thought it would help him either be a good human being and gain peace of mind, and only if I thought he needed help. For me, it's like administering medicine to someone who needs it, not propaganda. I would not talk about specific gods or rituals, but only about broad principles, like love for all and control over one's mind.



Most of us live for 70 years without once seeing God or having Him perform a miracle for us - most of the help that we perceive is, IMHO, almostly completely in our own heads. It seems immature to kill overselves over that. Especially when both you and the other person are fighting for the same God, and He's sitting watching the fun like it's a gripping movie and He wants to know what happens next.



I understand that the violence is more about something symbolic of attacks on and defence of our own self-respect rather than God Himself, and that the problem is almost always one person or group of people who start to take advantage of others' tolerance, but we have to make a start to remedy this somewhere than give in to the morass ourselves.



I think we should keep our God and our beliefs within us, to help us rather than to make an issue of it.
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by Betty » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:54 pm

I'll leave this thread to be debated in more depth by others who know more about different religions than I do.



I have just 3 general comments here, from my layman's point of view:



1. For the last few days, I have found Xeno starting or continuing all topics which are pro-Islam anti-hindus. In fact, he sometimes drags ordinary threads towards this debate.

For Xeno's info, FHDB is not a religious board. Agreed that even religious topics are to be discussed and debated, but a continuous attack against Hindus and propagation of Islam being the best is getting on my nerves, and I think, on others' nerves too. Xeno, please take your ideas and hatred somewhere else because so long this board has been a secular one. It is not that we don't have other muslims on the board (not naming them here as Xeno might again attack them in his posts), but I can't think of them making such mindless posts as Xeno. So, a sincere request to Xeno to stop these poisonous posts which divide people.



2. Sati is a mindless ritual, and hardly supported by Hindu scriptures.

Likewise, I have read that many mosques and other muslim places of worship have signboards saying 'women and dogs not allowed' - don't know how far that is true :oops:

Every religion has some weird, mindless practices, some of which are not even supported by their authentic holy books, but that does not stop people from pratising them. It is upto rational people to sieve out the harmful rituals from the useful ones and continue practising these positive rituals.



3. Religion is not a stagnant thing, it changes with people's change in lifestyle and behaviour. If a religion can adapt itself to these changes, it survives, else it is wiped out.

If some people stick to the old rules and regulations, and try to make others do the same, they are just regressive forces and should best be ignored and not allowed to grow more powerful, and that is true of all parties/movements/groups of any religion.
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by Sharjeel » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:00 pm

Great posts PMoW and Betty! :)
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by betty » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:11 pm

Sharjeel wrote:Great posts PMoW and Betty! :)


Thanks Sherry. :)

And thanks for your balanced and rational post ...
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by DQ » Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:34 am

Betty wrote: FHDB is not a religious board. this board has been a secular one.

I have read that many mosques and other muslim places of worship have signboards saying 'women and dogs not allowed' - don't know how far that is true :oops:




******Important, do not come back blaming me that I am defending Xeno. I will not respond to that allegation.********



I must say well drafted posts by PMOW (are you the moderator, your post came up for a few seconds disappeared and reappeared after Sherrys post :-?) and Betty. What I find intriguing though is, on the one hand you come up with a nice lecture on boards / relegion and claim to be secular on the other hand you prefer to take a "stub" at a relegious place on an unprofund "myth" (which you could have well left alone).



All I mean to say is "Practice what you preach". It doesn't help in advising against and indulging in the same.
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by CtrlAltDel » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:35 am

DQ wrote:...on the other hand you prefer to take a "stub" at a relegious place on an unprofund "myth" (which you could have well left alone).

All I mean to say is "Practice what you preach". It doesn't help in advising against and indulging in the same.
cudnt u have said the same to Xeno...? :D what i heard from u was a "ROTFLMAO"...to his post abt usage of Shiv Ling
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by DQ » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:48 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:
DQ wrote:...on the other hand you prefer to take a "stub" at a relegious place on an unprofund "myth" (which you could have well left alone).

All I mean to say is "Practice what you preach". It doesn't help in advising against and indulging in the same.
cudnt u have said the same to Xeno...? :D what i heard from u was a "ROTFLMAO"...to his post abt usage of Shiv Ling




1. What did you expect me to do, argue with Xeno about the Shiv Ling?

(Would have been wrong on my part even though, as I have still no knowledge about what a Shiv Ling is)



2.Not only the Shiv Ling dude, did you read the full post. And why did you only read ROTFLMAO, did you not read the me calling or the MODs and anticipating where the thread is heading?



3. I wouldn't have bothered to answer, I did not come out proposing peace, no relegion or Secularism.



Look read through MMs post and read Xenos replies.

What most of you who came out scathing at Xeno forgot is both maintained the same tonality and Xeno got the better of MM. ie <EOM>
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