Ayodhya Incident ....Was it ?

[DQ]

Ayodhya Incident.



Was it the only way, Advanis' Jinnah comment could have died down.

Why does Ayodhya need to be an happening place only when BJP sits in the opposition ?



Why this theory ?



Its intriguing that



- The hard core Islamists chose to pray at the local temples before attacking the site.



- The hard core islamists carrying bazookas and grenades, did not harm Sita ki Rasoi and ran past it.

(if destruction was their moto, they should have started from here.)



Many more intriguing factors.....in this whole saga. Lets await the other members views before proceeding....

[Mayavi Morpheus]

yeah right



Its all just a BJP conspiracy...

[akhilis2cool]

Well, they did have a specific target in mind when they attacked. Its quite obvious why they tried to mix with the other people over there, so as not to get into trouble.

if destruction was their moto, they should have started from here.

why?

[DQ]

Well, they did have a specific target in mind when they attacked. Its quite obvious why they tried to mix with the other people over there, so as not to get into trouble.

if destruction was their moto, they should have started from here.

why?

1. Do terrorists understand logic. NO. They would have gone about destroying every structure in the way.



2. Do you know what strategic importance Sita ki iRasoi holds at the spot, read http://www.vhp.org

[akhilis2cool]

1. Do terrorists understand logic. NO. They would have gone about destroying every structure in the way.

of course they do!
how else do u explain 911? was that an unplanned attack?

2. Do you know what strategic importance Sita ki Rasoi holds at the spot, read http://www.vhp.org

[quoteVHP.org]Within the main compound wall of the Babri structure, there are two important places of Hindu worship - the Ram Chabootra and the Sita-ki-Rasoi. The first place is a raised platform with a canopy, where kirtans are sung and around which the pilgrims have been doing a parikrama. The second place is a small shrine, to indicate the kitchen of Sita. Earlier the Hindus and Muslims used to worship in the same larger open area. However, this method always created tensions between the communities - the Hindus because of their attachment to the site, the Muslims because of their attachment to the structure. These two places are today separated from the Babri structure by an inner wall, which was built by the British. The importance of these two structures has to be explained in a logical manner. Too much emphasis is being given to the recorded evidence - although they are important by themselves. However, in issues of such type, practices and sentiments are also important, so as to understand the issues beyond a superficial level.
[/quote]Theres every chance that they cld. have hurt the Muslim Place of worship too...may b thats why they avoided it...

[Mayavi Morpheus]

- The hard core islamists carrying bazookas and grenades, did not harm Sita ki Rasoi and ran past it.

1. Do terrorists understand logic. NO. They would have gone about destroying every structure in the way.

2. Do you know what strategic importance Sita ki iRasoi holds at the spot, read http://www.vhp.org

See if this helps:







I N T E L L I G E N C E

(Intelligenceonline.net sumthing, site needs registration.)

Terrorists gave agencies the slip



5 July 2005: At least three of the six terrorists who were killed trying to storm the Ram shrine in Ayodhya today morning were from the Lashkar-e-Toiba, and security agencies were on their trail from Panchkula near Chandigarh until they lost them three days ago in Ghaziabad.



Top sources said that the terrorists, from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, J and K, and possibly some locals in Ayodhya, were programmed to first target the BJP headquarters in New Delhi’s Ashoka Road, the second target was the Delhi Metro at a crowded hour to produce maximum casualties, and the Ayodhya shrine was the last target.



Sensing the high security in Delhi, some of whose sensitive government establishments were also on the target list, the terrorists headed for Ayodhya, said a senior security official, and teams have been sent to Baramullah and other parts of J and K to confirm the identified of the slain terrorists, although they have all been identified.



According to the intelligence with the agencies, the three terrorists were to reach Delhi from Panchkula, move to Ghaziabad, and then proceed towards Lucknow, but at Ghaziabad, the terrorists gave them the slip.

[CtrlAltDel]

thnx mayavi, thats exactly the info i was looking to post here!

[ycr007]

Well,I've been hearing Rumours that it was All a plan to Shift the Spotlight Off the Advani-VHP-RSS Spat and So that the Opposition Can Show-off their Unrest by Resorting to Agitations and Bandhs and Whatnots!!!!



Advani said that A "Fitting Reply" Should be given by the People to the Incident and that too by Striking n Agitating

Well,If the People had Given him a "Fitting Reply" When the BMD Incident happened Ages ago,Aaj Yeh Din Dekhna nahin Padta.......Ptchah!!!

[Jaszalcatraz]

Just saw a news item where Advani said the temple building will begin.

wtf? while it is in court?



I smell a rat

[Lucifer]

Okay, I admit I did not read the Ayodha story because, frankly, that front page of the newspaper had too gory a story for me to even look at anywhere near it. Sometimes, these newspapers/other media must refrain from such things, newspapers more so because that is the first thing we see each morning. Anyway, that is not the point of discussion.



I do not know who is behind the crime. But I don't think it could be the BJP. They don't have the balls to pull something off like this. Remember all the hullabaloo they made over building a temple if they came to power? Well, they were in power for six years and could not move a muscle. They bowed to the pressure on them. And that is why I say that they don't have the guts. That is just a party of baniyaas - a bunch of people whose sole intent is to make a quick buck.



Not that the Congress is any better. But if any party has the gall to pull something like this off, it is Congress. They have had a history of doing such things - Emergency, Operation Blue Star, etc.



Now I am not implying that anyone did it, or for what motive. But what I do have to say is that this was no simple terrorist act. There is motive much deeper that is beyond the comprehension of lesser mortals like us. And from the scale of it, the security cover that they had to breach (Has anyone been to Ayodhya? I doubt even if the US President has as much security cover.) there just has to be the involvement of some nation.

[fl]

as long as there are people who are ready to waste their time protesting and creating nuisance these things will go on



i think there is only one solution to this

if everyone in the country has a 9-5 job they just wont have time to pay attention to those stupid ppl ranting over building whatever

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Anyone who thinks that this is a BJP conspiracy... lay off the bollywood movies and stop smoking whatever you are smoking.

[lizard king]

Anyone who thinks that this is a BJP conspiracy... lay off the bollywood movies and stop smoking whatever you are smoking.

or maybe its the CIA

[fl]

Anyone who thinks that this is a BJP conspiracy... lay off the bollywood movies and stop smoking whatever you are smoking.

they might not be responsible for this but certain friends of theirs are certainly capable of this

even if they are not responsible for this, they sure are not missing the opportunity to gain political milage out of this

[akhilis2cool]

I feel neither Congress nor BJP is involved. That BJP is trying to gain poitical mileage out of it is but natural for a political party...congress did the same thing when Akshardham happened.

[fl]

I feel neither Congress nor BJP is involved. That BJP is trying to gain poitical mileage out of it is but natural for a political party...congress did the same thing when Akshardham happened.

but what they are doing is at the cost of the peace process, which btw they claim is all their effort

[akhilis2cool]

I feel neither Congress nor BJP is involved. That BJP is trying to gain poitical mileage out of it is but natural for a political party...congress did the same thing when Akshardham happened.

but what they are doing is at the cost of the peace process, which btw they claim is all their effort

?

[fl]

I feel neither Congress nor BJP is involved. That BJP is trying to gain poitical mileage out of it is but natural for a political party...congress did the same thing when Akshardham happened.

but what they are doing is at the cost of the peace process, which btw they claim is all their effort

?

the bjp with nationwide protests and some (maybe insignificant/outside) members calling for the process to be stopped

[akhilis2cool]

the bjp with nationwide protests and some (maybe insignificant/outside) members calling for the process to be stopped

Opposition ka to kaam hi hota hai yeh sab bolna/karna. The peace process will not be afftected by this rant of theres. they are trying to gain lost political ground after the advani incident.

[fl]

the bjp with nationwide protests and some (maybe insignificant/outside) members calling for the process to be stopped

Opposition ka to kaam hi hota hai yeh sab bolna/karna. The peace process will not be afftected by this rant of theres. they are trying to gain lost political ground after the advani incident.

i wish there were a annual GBM of the govt. and oppositin as well

[akhilis2cool]

the bjp with nationwide protests and some (maybe insignificant/outside) members calling for the process to be stopped

Opposition ka to kaam hi hota hai yeh sab bolna/karna. The peace process will not be afftected by this rant of theres. they are trying to gain lost political ground after the advani incident.

i wish there were a annual GBM of the govt. and oppositin as well

oh yeh! ek saath sabka safaya.

neways. we need to avoid spamming here.

[DQ]

Donno what intelligence your site has Mayavi. But these are the images I have been seeing





Unable to locate Yesterdays Times of India Image which was more in detailed, but Whatever.



BJP conspiracy why do you want all the FHDBians to rule it out dude?

Incidentally it was Mr Advanis hearing in the High court.

Incidentally the RSS holding a conclave to deal with Mr Advanis comments on Jinnah (which they have since put off).



Aspect 1. Sangh conclave.



SURAT, JULY 4: VHP general secretary Praveen Togadia has proposed disciplinary action against BJP chief L K Advani for his Jinnah remarks during the Pakistan tour. Sources said the proposal has been accepted by the RSS supremo, K Sudarshan, for further discussion.



On the third day of the RSS conclave here, Togadia moved a proposal against Advani, saying his remarks has put a question mark over the Sangh’s ideology and has sent the wrong signal to BJP cadres, said sources



‘‘Advani has done some disaster-management exercise by removing Kulkarni. But the damage has already been done to the Sangh’s ideology. The people have got a message that the BJP chief has taken a line of secular politics,’’ said a senior RSS official.



The Parivar is now trying to draw a plan of action to control the damage, sources said.



Sudarshan discussed three main issues at the meet today that, he said, needed urgent attention. First on the agenda was the removal of those who entered the Parivar by the means of money power.



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VHP firebrand leader Praveen Togadia attributed the attack to "Pakistan, jehadi terrorism and Muslim votebank politics".



Holding both UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh responsible for the security of the complex, he demanded that India discontinue the ongoing dialogue process with Pakistan.



He also asked the Indian Army to "crush Pak-sponsored terror".



http://news.webindia123.com/news/showde ... &cat=India



Virtually ranting on TV when approached by the visual media for his comments on the incident, Togadia said:"Neither is the Ram Janmabhoomi safe, nor is the Parliament safe. Our children, our people are not safe. Our temples are not safe, airports arenot safe. These Jehadi terrorists are challenging us. Our country, our democracy. They have the guts to do all this because the federal government which is responsible for the security is trying to appease Musharraf."



He further went on to say that "if the Centre has the courage of Indira Gandhi, then it should order the Indian Army to march towards Lahore and Rawalpindi,"he added.



Look at the dates July 4th Conclave against Advani. July 5th Attack. Hmm the plot gets interesting.

[CtrlAltDel]

DQ, how different is that image frm what mayavi posted? its only a sort of long shot and both show that the terrorists were shot before they reached the Sita ki Rasoi.

abt why they didnt attack Sita ki Rasoi, any intelligent terrorist would know that that most important structure there is the makeshift temple and they wud target it instead of wasting time at the 'Rasoi'. i dunno if u know it but most hindus have never heard of Sita ki Rasoi and it does not have any religious significance.

BJP conspiracy why do you want all the FHDBians to rule it out dude?

apply yr famed intelligence a bit...the Lashkar angle has been stated by the Intelligence forces and they even tell how they have been tracking these terrorists. dont forget that the Intelligence setup is now controlled by the ruling Congress which has all to gain (incl. grateful muslim vote) if they prove such a conspiracy by the Sangh Parivar.

Incidentally it was Mr Advanis hearing in the High court.

how will the attack help Advani's court case? they may politisize the issue but it wud have no effect over the judiciary which like it or not wud be more likely to be controlled by the Congress.



finally i dont see what the rest of your post, incl Toggie's rants against pakistan and the jihadis prove anything. even a child can make out they are making political capital of it...





btw, this blast produced a hilarious side show: Rajastan's BJP govt. declaring a bandh in its own state and the CM Vasundara R.S appealing its own employees n citizens not to work...

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Donno what intelligence your site has Mayavi. But these are the images I have been seeing


Unable to locate Yesterdays Times of India Image which was more in detailed, but Whatever.

The image is the same as the one that I posted. They terrorrists were killed before they could reach the sita rasoi. YOu can see the acutal pictures of the Jeep and terrorrist bodies on news sites.

As for believing BJP's involvement in the incident, you are free to believe whatever you want, but I would like to see some proof rather than wild claims based on coincidences. Just because Advani made full use of the situation to wriggle out of his trouble doesnt mean that he was responsible for the incident. If BJP really wanted to whip up communal passions, they could have done much more damage than this.

and btw, LeT doesnt work for BJP.

they might not be responsible for this but certain friends of theirs are certainly capable of this
even if they are not responsible for this, they sure are not missing the opportunity to gain political milage out of this

So? Who doesnt? if people can protest here in India months after unconfirmed reports of quran flushing, why shldnt people protest abt a terrorrist attack on a holy shrine and why cant political parties gain mileage out of it?

[DQ]

Tut Tut. Okai lets rule out Sita Rasoi thing as now its been proven that the terrorists could not make it to that point.



But political mileage is one thing.



The rift between Sangh Parivar and BJP.

The gradual shift of masses towards a third front.

The peace process with Pakistan for a stabler South Asia.

The think tank of the sangh musta thought, "hmm kya hum diwana hoon, yeh sub kuch hojaye aur hame kuch na mile."

"Chalo Ayodhya taaja karte hain, phir ek cahl chalte hain"





One "missed" attack. No damage done.

All issues resolved. Whipped up enough passion. The peace process in jeopardy, enough media attention to rant and rave about.

Looks like a pucca sangh receipe.