Pakistani Singers

[wisecrack]

Pakistani singers/musicians.. Why is it that I find them amazingly good when comapred to their Indian counterparts??Their music is good..voices- though not really great..but still..good..Modulation of voice/voice control -perfect ( for the more educated in music...i meant the gamakas,laya,shruthi etc etc). They may never have a Lata or Rafi...or the more recent singers like Sonu Nigam,Sukhwinder etc...but they do certainly have their Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan saabs and Noorjahans or the more recent Adnan Sami!

Mebbe I am really frustrated with the current music scene in India..where all we have are second rate remixes of Beautiful old songs with equally second rate videos. Pakistani music on the other hand...feels and sounds pretty original.Maybe coz its more Classical based (hear the songs of Fuzon,Strings,Junoon etc..U'll know what I am talking abt!

) Some years back there was this talk of banning Pakistani singers from performing in the country.And this cause was spearheaded by (none other than..) Jagjit Singh and Abhijeet. Personally ..I think its crap...Wht abt u guys??



**Dont really know if this has been discussed on the forums..so pardon me incase this appears to be an oft repeated topic!**

[Sharjeel]

I agree with you!!!



Indians are not singing nowadays; they are busy flaunting their bodies in Remix videos, as you said.



Some people do have great voices, but the really good music directors are all holed down in South India: M M Kreem, A R Rehman, etc.



I have heard Imran Khan (or was it some1 else, cannot recall) respond to this very same question. He said that Pakistanis are amaaazingly gifted when it comes to music. He also said that Indians are xtremelly good, but they do not have theat much of talent when compared to Paki music/singers.



Maybe it is down to the Islamic/Eastern influence, and the fact that they speak and sing naturally in Urdu (which sounds way better than pure hindi).

[enriquee]

grt topic wisecrack...i agree with u sharjeel....

indian are getting more and more worse with their vulgar remix videos...

And pakistanis are doin grt with their music...

My personal favorite is Dhaani by strings and also duur is good...

the recent pakistani whom i know is faakir who stole many indian hearts with his mantra...

[lonewolf]

We can invite Pak musicians only when Pakistan makes the first move. Several times in the past, India has done a lot of things which were not reciprocated by Pakistan. Its time for India to take a break and and let Pakistan extend its hand first.

I have heard Imran Khan (or was it some1 else, cannot recall) respond to this very same question. He said that Pakistanis are amaaazingly gifted when it comes to music. He also said that Indians are xtremelly good, but they do not have theat much of talent when compared to Paki music/singers.

Imran Khan is not a standard for a judge here, so we can just ignore him. In fact he's said quite a bit of not-so-nice things about Indian actors, actresses and cricket players.

Maybe it is down to the Islamic/Eastern influence, and the fact that they speak and sing naturally in Urdu (which sounds way better than pure hindi).

Urdu is spoken only by Indians and Pakistanis. The middle-east world speaks Arabic, which is *totally* different from Urdu. I listen to Arabic songs, and their style (traditional and new age) is quite different from Urdu songs. Urdu has its own flavour which is not really middle-eastern.

[ycr007]

I Completely Disagree.



Since The Talent Pool is So less in Paksitan,the Moderately Talented People also Seem like Great Singers.I know that it is a Conservative Country and there are several Barriers for Singers to Rise above and get the Due Recognition.Inspite of that some do get noticed,to their credit.



Comparing their music to Ours is not a valid thing to do.Given the Fact that Almost all of their Compositions are in Urdu.Have u ever HEard of a hip-Hop or Blues-Inspired Number from Pak??

And To most People who Like Urdu for its Beuatiful Intonations and Lyrics it is but natural that the singers also seem good to them.



P.S:Tho My Post may Seem Like Anti-Pak-Singers,It is not.Just My opinion.No Harm Meant.

[Sharjeel]

We can invite Pak musicians only when Pakistan makes the first move. Several times in the past, India has done a lot of things which were not reciprocated by Pakistan. Its time for India to take a break and and let Pakistan extend its hand first.

It is not about inviting or anything. Just a discussion about the talent-pool (if such a word exists).

I have heard Imran Khan (or was it some1 else, cannot recall) respond to this very same question. He said that Pakistanis are amaaazingly gifted when it comes to music. He also said that Indians are xtremelly good, but they do not have theat much of talent when compared to Paki music/singers.

Imran Khan is not a standard for a judge here, so we can just ignore him. In fact he's said quite a bit of not-so-nice things about Indian actors, actresses and cricket players.

Agreed that IK is not any authority. It was just something he said, which was relevant in this duscussions, Again, doesnt have to do anything with what he might have previously said about us Indians.

Maybe it is down to the Islamic/Eastern influence, and the fact that they speak and sing naturally in Urdu (which sounds way better than pure hindi).

Urdu is spoken only by Indians and Pakistanis. The middle-east world speaks Arabic, which is *totally* different from Urdu. I listen to Arabic songs, and their style (traditional and new age) is quite different from Urdu songs. Urdu has its own flavour which is not really middle-eastern.

My bad.



I was speaking about:



1. the middle eastern influence

2. the fact that they can speak and sing natuarally in Urdu.

[Ignored dude]

Pakistani music sounds good when compared to Indian music because you are comparing the best of pakistani music industry, which is influenced by sufism, to the mainstream Indian music which is influenced by hiphop and pop. Its like comparing apples to oranges. If pakistan has Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, we too have equally good 'ustads' <add name> (I like Fateh ali khan though), if they have junoon and strings, we have bands like parikrama etc (I never heard Indian rock bands but I heard that they are good). so on so forth..

[wisecrack]

I Completely Disagree.

Since The Talent Pool is So less in Paksitan,the Moderately Talented People also Seem like Great Singers.

Disagree.Ahem. Talent Pool? Less?? I hope u dint really mean that >>"Since it's a small country ...so on" Well. I m basically talking about the "Current" music scene in India (which is hardly there!.and even if it is..I already made my point in my prev post ) .

P.S:Tho My Post may Seem Like Anti-Pak-Singers,It is not.Just My opinion.No Harm Meant.

And more so ..its not really about a country who happens to be our enemy having more good musicians/singers than us. Y..I could've started the topic saying "The singers/musicians from the Sindh area of Unpartitioned India truly rock!"



Cant really understand Urdu..so no comments on tht part.But its jus the music that keeps me so hooked onto them! Mebbe i can appreciate them much better if i learn Urdu! (always wanted to! )

[ycr007]

I Completely Disagree.

Since The Talent Pool is So less in Paksitan,the Moderately Talented People also Seem like Great Singers.

Disagree.Ahem. Talent Pool? Less?? I hope u dint really mean that >>"Since it's a small country ...so on" Well. I m basically talking about the "Current" music scene in India (which is hardly there!.and even if it is..I already made my point in my prev post ) .

You name your Topic Pakistani Singers and yet Talk about the "current" Music Scene In India!
You think that the "current" scenario is only about the Remixes an Raunchy Videos.It seems such Because in whatever Channel we see,we get to see them only.But that does'nt give the Entire Picture. Indian Music Scenario is Ruled over by the Movie Scene,which,By the Way is Completely Absent in Pakistan.If it were there,why has'nt it Surfaced?

The Number of Pakistani Bands that are truly popular Can Be Counted on the Fingers of One hand.And In most cases,their Popularity is Due to a Single Smash Hit. Take the case of Jal.Tell me Truly,How many people Listened to Jal 'Before' their "Woh Lamhe" hit the Charts

P.S:Tho My Post may Seem Like Anti-Pak-Singers,It is not.Just My opinion.No Harm Meant.

And more so ..its not really about a country who happens to be our enemy having more good musicians/singers than us.

Were it not for the name of the Topic,I'd have thought Otherwise



IMO,If You see at the Braoder Picture,We've Got a great Unfair advantage over them. But Instead of Cribbing that They're Better,We're Better,Let's Just say that They have their Own Individual Fan Followings and their own Ethos & Credos.

Why,Abida Parveen & Ghulam Ali are Revered By Many. The youth Go Gaga Over Strings & Jal. Junoon has a Fanatic Following here. These Things Really Prove that Music Really has No Barriers. So let's Not Segregate it on the basis of Geographical Entities or Ethnicity.

[vakibs]

well. I empathize with wisecrack. I like junoon's music and still have to find a decent comparision amongst the indian rock scene.



Urdu is a very beautiful language (I dont know it, but friends translate stuff to me and also it sounds very nice) But languages in India have more variety. And they are more melodious too. The problem is - in India rite now, the younger generation is getting molded with the attitude of let-me-get-exported-to-US and buy-everything-imported-from-US.



Indians have never been good at aping/copying anything. All the good stuff that is there in India has come from being original.

[akhilis2cool]

the best of their songs are the lyrics. Comapre that to the kind of songs the Indians are doling out and the difference is quite clear. But this is just a passing phase...

[enriquee]

the best of their songs are the lyrics. Comapre that to the kind of songs the Indians are doling out and the difference is quite clear. But this is just a passing phase...

rite akhil bhai... lyrics are wonderful.... for all songs...