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[vakibs]

u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

and you dont get the students either... what with all the money required for their coaching is going into building IIT's

you fricking kidding me ??? Those 2 years of mumbling-jumbling and rote-learning for one fricking exam ?? I can happily do away with these coaching centers. Dont take it to heart if you have a hand in the coaching-center business, Morph.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!



btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

[akhilis2cool]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

[ycr007]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....

First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.



Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

[akhilis2cool]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....
First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.

Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

how many seats are there in the IITs?

[fl]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....
First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.

Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

how many seats are there in the IITs?

AFAIK there are about 2500 seats and this number will grow at an approximate rate of 8-10% every year, but the increase is mostly in the DD courses

this is because everyone feels that the IIT UGs are the most useless ppl

and 15000 students are selected in screening and not 1500

screening test is an elimination process and the mains is a selection process

[akhilis2cool]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....
First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.

Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

how many seats are there in the IITs?

AFAIK there are about 2500 seats and this number will grow at an approximate rate of 8-10% every year, but the increase is mostly in the DD courses
this is because everyone feels that the IIT UGs are the most useless ppl
and 15000 students are selected in screening and not 1500screening test is an elimination process and the mains is a selection process

thats why i asked the Q.

thanks fl

[ycr007]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....
First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.

Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

how many seats are there in the IITs?

There are 7 IIT's.........Supposing Each one has 300 Seats.......

total would be well over 2000 Seats......

[akhilis2cool]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....
First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.

Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

how many seats are there in the IITs?

There are 7 IIT's.........Supposing Each one has 300 Seats.......
total would be well over 2000 Seats......

read FLs post

[ycr007]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....
First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.

Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

how many seats are there in the IITs?

AFAIK there are about 2500 seats and this number will grow at an approximate rate of 8-10% every year, but the increase is mostly in the DD courses
this is because everyone feels that the IIT UGs are the most useless ppl
and 15000 students are selected in screening and not 1500screening test is an elimination process and the mains is a selection process

thats why i asked the Q.
thanks fl

Oops!!!!

Galti Se Mishtek Hogaya.....

[ycr007]

dude! the last two posts were sarcasm!

btw, IIT coaching is much different from eamcet coaching. There are no short-cuts or 'rote'learning' for IIT.

hey mayavi can u please elaborate..I thot there was only one exam for IITs, the JEE, but there seem to b some other tests tooo... is that true?

There are Two Exams Now AkhilBhai....
First the Screening Test Where all the Applicants are Administered a Multiple-Choiced Test.

Only 1500 Odd Students are Chosen from the Screening Test and they are Administered the Mains.Four Years Ago,the Mains had Subjective Q's.Dunno What the Pattern is Like Now?

how many seats are there in the IITs?

There are 7 IIT's.........Supposing Each one has 300 Seats.......
total would be well over 2000 Seats......

read FLs post

Read....

Straight From the Horse's Mouth rather Than an Ex-Wannabe-Horse's Mouth

[fl]

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only
u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

should i tell u a secret ? iit makes faculty. faculty dont make iit. I mean put up an IIT and automatically good faculty start creeping in there.

trust me it doesnt work that way

there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well

and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

[akhilis2cool]

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only
u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

should i tell u a secret ? iit makes faculty. faculty dont make iit. I mean put up an IIT and automatically good faculty start creeping in there.

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

but what abt. upgrading the NITs?

[vakibs]

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

pch. In India we take everything for so granted. Doesnt it make sense that for a 100 crore population, we could have more good profs ? Ah.. I am a die-hard optimist.

[ycr007]

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

pch. In India we take everything for so granted. Doesnt it make sense that for a 100 crore population, we could have more good profs ? Ah.. I am a die-hard optimist.

We Do have Good Profs But We Lack Good Profs.

Confused????



Whatever Profs The Management/Higher Ups may Deem Good or Excellent and Those Who have Experience & Have Won Many Medals etc may not Strike a Chord with the Students and Hence they May not be Called as Good.



But a New Lecturer with a Sprightly Manner and a Cheerful Disposition will instantly Find Favour with the Students and Will be a Good Prof.

[fl]

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only
u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

should i tell u a secret ? iit makes faculty. faculty dont make iit. I mean put up an IIT and automatically good faculty start creeping in there.

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

but what abt. upgrading the NITs?

well the previous govt. was thinking of turning IITs into research institutes by making them exclusively PG institutes and upgrading the NITs to produce UGs. Thank god they dint come back to power or IITs would have become as boring IISc.

there is nothin wrong in upgrading the NITs but they donot have the same infrastructure as the IITs and the main reason why IITs are above the rest is that , the quality of students or faculty is never compromised . where as AFAIK the NITs still have quotas and reservations for both students and faculty. With an eye on their votebank most parties wudnt support changes in such things. so i guess NITs can never really be IITs.

[fl]

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

pch. In India we take everything for so granted. Doesnt it make sense that for a 100 crore population, we could have more good profs ? Ah.. I am a die-hard optimist.

well unfortunately IITs dont pay as much as a univ in US would

govt. says they will pay good money if they do good research like the US univs

and the profs say they can do that only if they had research scholars as good as the ones in US

and that will almost never happen

so the profs do the same thing as what the students do

[vakibs]

We Do have Good Profs But We Lack Good Profs.
Confused????

Whatever Profs The Management/Higher Ups may Deem Good or Excellent and Those Who have Experience & Have Won Many Medals etc may not Strike a Chord with the Students and Hence they May not be Called as Good.

But a New Lecturer with a Sprightly Manner and a Cheerful Disposition will instantly Find Favour with the Students and Will be a Good Prof.

you are very true Politics is an inseparable part as long as there are people. btw, why did u sport aamir's moochy avatar ?

[fl]

since so much is being discusses abt this

here is a mail written by one of the senior faculty of IITB

its not exactly what is being discussed but still the POV of a prof.



From: "Prof. Narayan Rangaraj " <narayan@epsilon.me.iitb.ac.in>

To:

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:37:39 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Great Indian Pit Stop



Get the feeling that for UGs, IIT Bombay is one long pit stop, in between

the grind of JEE and the big, bad world out there.



Assessment of life is something like this for a typical student:



Age 10-14 or so: Good student in school wherever. Put on uniform, pack

lunch in box, listen to history teacher reluctantly, maths teacher with a

little more attention. Do well in exams



Age 15-18 : World of Board exams, JEE preparation, etc. Solve lots of

"problems"



Enter IIT : Long break



Age 22 or so:

Path 1: Enter IIM, SPJain, MDI, etc. where slog for one year, party for

one year and then begin real life

Path 2: Join good job in Bangalore and begin real life

Path 3: Do an MS in the US (ie. slog faithfully for 2 years) and then

begin real life



Real life for many is eerily similar to the earlier part, if joining the

corporate world. i.e. put on tie, listen to boss or client reluctantly,

some other people a little more attentively and try to do well in

performance, as certified by others.



If doing something on one's own, life is hard anyway.



So from the UG perspective, the time to party is now.



Now, from my side, I am getting annoyed by this constant reference to

faculty draconianism at every stage. For example, facilities. It is not

that all facilities on campus are _student_ facilities that faculty are

muscling in on. To save cost and space, we may both use the same

facilities, but with different priveleges and costs. What's wrong with

that? Same for parking, resnet and everything else. And it is very

likely and reasonable that faculty will get higher priority in this.



Perform the following thought experiment. Suppose some student becomes a

faculty member in later years. The same facilities are now part of the

job perks and are part of the attractions of a career on an academic

campus. After all, someone has to do the tough job of selecting and

certifying you students (apart from doing our own thing). So that's the

incentive we get - good schooling, a safe campus, resnet with Windows,

swimming pool etc.



Just to clarify, I do not have kids, use Linux at home, do not own a car

or a motorized two wheeler and do not play tennis. So this is a

completely intellectual exercise for me and therefore I am pure and

unbiased. Believe it or not.



Now back to classes. But I was told most students get up after 8.30-9.00

a.m., in keeping with the strain of enjoying themselves (see the Great

Indian Pit Stop - above). But we have to show up.



Narayan Rangaraj

[akhilis2cool]

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only
u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

should i tell u a secret ? iit makes faculty. faculty dont make iit. I mean put up an IIT and automatically good faculty start creeping in there.

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

but what abt. upgrading the NITs?

well the previous govt. was thinking of turning IITs into research institutes by making them exclusively PG institutes and upgrading the NITs to produce UGs. Thank god they dint come back to power or IITs would have become as boring IISc.
there is nothin wrong in upgrading the NITs but they donot have the same infrastructure as the IITs and the main reason why IITs are above the rest is that , the quality of students or faculty is never compromised . where as AFAIK the NITs still have quotas and reservations for both students and faculty. With an eye on their votebank most parties wudnt support changes in such things. so i guess NITs can never really be IITs.

arent there reservations in IITs?

whatever infrastructure the NITs lag can b built, rite?

[vakibs]

well unfortunately IITs dont pay as much as a univ in US would
govt. says they will pay good money if they do good research like the US univs
and the profs say they can do that only if they had research scholars as good as the ones in US
and that will almost never happen
so the profs do the same thing as what the students do

But I think with the GDP increasing, maybe IITs will attract more profs. Do you know about the Tsing-Hua university in China ? It is doing pretty good in research (in comp sci) , especially with partnering Microsoft-Asia. Maybe we can also follow the same model.



One huge difference between IITs and MITs is accountability for research funding. In India, people hardly care about it. In the US, the prof will get kicked out of funding if he doesnt deliver, doesn't matter how senior he is.

[fl]

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only
u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

should i tell u a secret ? iit makes faculty. faculty dont make iit. I mean put up an IIT and automatically good faculty start creeping in there.

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

but what abt. upgrading the NITs?

well the previous govt. was thinking of turning IITs into research institutes by making them exclusively PG institutes and upgrading the NITs to produce UGs. Thank god they dint come back to power or IITs would have become as boring IISc.
there is nothin wrong in upgrading the NITs but they donot have the same infrastructure as the IITs and the main reason why IITs are above the rest is that , the quality of students or faculty is never compromised . where as AFAIK the NITs still have quotas and reservations for both students and faculty. With an eye on their votebank most parties wudnt support changes in such things. so i guess NITs can never really be IITs.

arent there reservations in IITs?
whatever infrastructure the NITs lag can b built, rite?

there are reservations

but students who are selected through reservation and dint do as well as the others in JEE have to go through a 1yr preparatory course and they will join the next batch of students only if they are found fir to join. IITs never go down to the level of students selected in JEE rather the students are brought up to that lever

and abt the NIT thing it can surely be done but i think ppl responsible for it lack the resolve to do it. they are more interested in the contents of history books at school level and dont really care about the quality of education in the country.

[akhilis2cool]

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only
u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

should i tell u a secret ? iit makes faculty. faculty dont make iit. I mean put up an IIT and automatically good faculty start creeping in there.

trust me it doesnt work that way
there are enough substandard profs in IITs as well
and setting up more IITs will only dilute the quality of education

but what abt. upgrading the NITs?

well the previous govt. was thinking of turning IITs into research institutes by making them exclusively PG institutes and upgrading the NITs to produce UGs. Thank god they dint come back to power or IITs would have become as boring IISc.
there is nothin wrong in upgrading the NITs but they donot have the same infrastructure as the IITs and the main reason why IITs are above the rest is that , the quality of students or faculty is never compromised . where as AFAIK the NITs still have quotas and reservations for both students and faculty. With an eye on their votebank most parties wudnt support changes in such things. so i guess NITs can never really be IITs.

arent there reservations in IITs?
whatever infrastructure the NITs lag can b built, rite?

there are reservations
but students who are selected through reservation and dint do as well as the others in JEE have to go through a 1yr preparatory course and they will join the next batch of students only if they are found fir to join. IITs never go down to the level of students selected in JEE rather the students are brought up to that lever
and abt the NIT thing it can surely be done but i think ppl responsible for it lack the resolve to do it. they are more interested in the contents of history books at school level and dont really care about the quality of education in the country.

if the politicians did there job things wld. b very different...damn