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[akhilis2cool]

But it never took schools to make a scientist.

The point is that we ourselves decide if we want to get an education. If we want, we can become Engineers without gaining an iota of knwoledge, or skip chool/college and still become a scientist.

the whole thing starts with schools. the interest in physics and other sciences start from school labs or from dedicated teachers. thats what produced great scientists in India. I dont see any other Abdul Kalam, Homi Baba, Sarabhai or Chidambaram in the near future.

even if anyone becomes a scientist, he/she wud most likely prefer working for the USA

Well I believe there are people arnd. who still wish to emulate the people u have mentioned, and are working towards it. Just that they do not hog the limelight.

[vakibs]

It certainly starts with schools. But it is also abut the inner drive to succeed, to make a difference. School can only make Sherry study, it cannot make Sherry think.

hahahahaha Schools made me think though. why life sucks !! oh why life sucks !! (give me a bottle of pan-galactic-gargle-blaster)

[mark]

nope. sounds similar to our leaving certificate though, 2 years, 1 marathon round of exams, and a score from 0 - 600 which determines what university course you'll be able to do. 2 years of hell, made up for only by the drunken insanity that is 1st year in uni.

hmm.. I thought Irish schooldays should have had been much happier. Dont know why this stupidity persists everywhere though !!

the leaving cert points system is based on demand, the college points are adjusted according to how many people have applied in a given year. Therefore, you are trying to hit a moving target, you don't know how many points you need until after the results are published and the demand calculated. you have to go on points from previous years for the same course, and rising/falling point trends.

It's flawed in a few ways, it puts huge stress on 17-18 year olds, it doesn't take into account suitability for the profession (e.g. if you want to do medicine, you gotta get 560 points, it doesn't matter if you've worked in hospitals before, if you have a suitable personality to be a doctor, etc.), and it emphisises academic knowledge (learning off by heart) rather than practical skills which may be more useful in a chosen career/university course.



However it's a good general education, you take 9 subjects until age 15, then 7 subjects until age 18. Compulsary subjects for leaving certificate are Irish, English and Maths, and 1 modern foreign language.

This tends to leave Irish people with a broader (but shallower) education than people from the UK, who take 3-4 A levels. The system is well respected within Europe, doesn't carry quite as much weight as the A levels, but we're only a small country.

[vakibs]

Well I believe there are people arnd. who still wish to emulate the people u have mentioned, and are working towards it. Just that they do not hog the limelight.

Akhil. cant resist spamming on this Did you mean the raman petrol fellow or that IISc professor who said aeroplanes could be built out of cow dung or is there anybody else working in India and resisting $temptation ... Okay blast me now

[Mayavi Morpheus]

What is wrong with that? If you want high quality education, you gotta part with the money atleast until the state as a whole is rich enough to subsidize education.
... Now you may ask why do the schools have to charge money to teach. The answer is simple - everyone needs money. To pay for the teachers, fund the infrastrucutre, provide good enironment, mid day meals etc.

It is all about purchasing-power Morpheus. Education is a product which should not be allowed to dance to the tune of market forces. I have an answer for why the cost of imparting education will come down. This is because soon they dont have to pay for the teachers, they dont have to construct huge buildings for schools (or rather factories). Basic education shall be delivered on demand through virtual reality via the internet.

You still pay $ 20,000 a semester at MIT to get e-classes sent to home on VHS or can see directly on internet.



Cheers.



ps: Internet classes can never ever the replace the effect of a class room learning.

[vakibs]

You still pay $ 20,000 a semester at MIT to get e-classes sent to home on VHS or can see directly on internet.
Cheers.

ps: Internet classes can never ever the replace the effect of a class room learning.

Now look at the http://ocw.mit.edu

Honestly, I have learnt more about computer science by looking at online lecture notes than over in classrooms. If only the online material is better, it will be much easier to learn.

[akhilis2cool]

Well I believe there are people arnd. who still wish to emulate the people u have mentioned, and are working towards it. Just that they do not hog the limelight.

Akhil. cant resist spamming on this Did you mean the raman petrol fellow or that IISc professor who said aeroplanes could be built out of cow dung or is there anybody else working in India and resisting $temptation ... Okay blast me now

not talking abt. them connies yaaron

But saying that such students do not exist is improbable. dont u think so?

[san]

Whether you pay for it or not, the real problem is the lack of quality teachers. How many teachers have you come across who are passionate about thier work? Most of them are just boring, unenthusiastic, dumb, just doing their jobs.

[CtrlAltDel]

Whether you pay for it or not, the real problem is the lack of quality teachers. How many teachers have you come across who are passionate about thier work? Most of them are just boring, unenthusiastic, dumb, just doing their jobs.

thats coz they religiously follow the Old Jungle Saying: "Those who can, do. those who can't, teach"...



either that, or they were forced to become teachers as a last option

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Now look at the http://ocw.mit.edu
Honestly, I have learnt more about computer science by looking at online lecture notes than over in classrooms. If only the online material is better, it will be much easier to learn.

If the online is that much better, there will not be any student at MIT, wouldl they be?

Can you get the guidance you get from your advisor on campus, online?

What about peer group? Why do people prefer MIT's and Berkley's and IIT's? Its for the peer group. The smart brain excels when among a bunch of other smart brains. There are exceptions ofcourse. Some people excel when left alone, but 99% of the students need a peer group to discuss ideas, research, new technology. Without a good advisor, and peer group higher education is meaningless. Just take a look at the number of conferences and journals... they are increasing everyday with more conf/journals coming up in specialised fields.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

thats coz they religiously follow the Old Jungle Saying: "Those who can, do. those who can't, teach"...

either that, or they were forced to become teachers as a last option

Bathakaleka badipanthulu

[enriquee]

definitely there must be a fees....

but not a huge sum....

How abt 30 rupees for a govt. school or college....

[vakibs]

If the online is that much better, there will not be any student at MIT, wouldl they be?
Can you get the guidance you get from your advisor on campus, online?
What about peer group? Why do people prefer MIT's and Berkley's and IIT's? Its for the peer group. The smart brain excels when among a bunch of other smart brains. There are exceptions ofcourse. Some people excel when left alone, but 99% of the students need a peer group to discuss ideas, research, new technology. Without a good advisor, and peer group higher education is meaningless. Just take a look at the number of conferences and journals... they are increasing everyday with more conf/journals coming up in specialised fields.

What you said is true. But with the internet revolution building up, the age of global peer group is coming up. One good example is the Open Source development community. Also, another thing to cite is the increase of inter-university joint PhD programs. Even your example of the increase of conferences/journals supports my point of view. It is hardly a problem these days to keep in touch with your PhD advisor even if he is physicallly away. But what I have in my mind is professional education (B.Techs) and not PhDs. In this case, it becomes even simpler to interact through internet. The reason why people go to IITs/MITs is just because of reputation. It takes some time for online programs to attain the stature of IIT degrees. Agreed the quality of education is much higher in IITs, but there is no reason why it should not be the same everywhere.



To San : What you said is true. Good teachers are hard to find. Thats why replace most of them by computers.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Are you in computer science or related field?

[CtrlAltDel]

Are you in computer science or related field?

maybe! he might be developing a virtual tutor software and trying to plug it....

[vakibs]

Are you in computer science or related field?

maybe! he might be developing a virtual tutor software and trying to plug it....

The first answer is yes. I am a student of computer science but anyway, how many guys around here are not ? The second answer is not yes. I would like to work in this area in the future though. But rite now, I am planning to enter the field of entertainment technology. Any compatriots here ?

[fl]

If the online is that much better, there will not be any student at MIT, wouldl they be?
Can you get the guidance you get from your advisor on campus, online?
What about peer group? Why do people prefer MIT's and Berkley's and IIT's? Its for the peer group. The smart brain excels when among a bunch of other smart brains. There are exceptions ofcourse. Some people excel when left alone, but 99% of the students need a peer group to discuss ideas, research, new technology. Without a good advisor, and peer group higher education is meaningless. Just take a look at the number of conferences and journals... they are increasing everyday with more conf/journals coming up in specialised fields.

What you said is true. But with the internet revolution building up, the age of global peer group is coming up. One good example is the Open Source development community. Also, another thing to cite is the increase of inter-university joint PhD programs. Even your example of the increase of conferences/journals supports my point of view. It is hardly a problem these days to keep in touch with your PhD advisor even if he is physicallly away. But what I have in my mind is professional education (B.Techs) and not PhDs. In this case, it becomes even simpler to interact through internet. The reason why people go to IITs/MITs is just because of reputation. It takes some time for online programs to attain the stature of IIT degrees. Agreed the quality of education is much higher in IITs, but there is no reason why it should not be the same everywhere.

To San : What you said is true. Good teachers are hard to find. Thats why replace most of them by computers.

u want a reason ill give u one

100cr for each IIT per year

not many colleges have that kinda budget

[fl]

Are you in computer science or related field?

maybe! he might be developing a virtual tutor software and trying to plug it....

The first answer is yes. I am a student of computer science but anyway, how many guys around here are not ? The second answer is not yes. I would like to work in this area in the future though. But rite now, I am planning to enter the field of entertainment technology. Any compatriots here ?

u can never replace a prof with a computer

some variants of this have been tried like audio files, broadcast ...and most of them failed



~r

[vakibs]

u want a reason ill give u one
100cr for each IIT per year
not many colleges have that kinda budget

Reminds me of a funny statistic i read coupla days ago. Do you know the amount of money these poor parents spend in their children's "coaching" in the "special-coaching-centers" to get admitted into IITs ? More than 100 cr per year ! F uck. It means, they can build a new IIT every year just by using that money !! If they have done that for the last 15 years, we would have got > 20 IITs.



About computers can never replace profs. Arre. Jane do yaar. Or wait till vakibs enters this business.

[vakibs]

hey. I was wrong. The amount of profits that these coaching-center-junior-colleges get far exceeds 100 cr. Whatever I read has said that this money is sufficient for budgeting the building of a new IIT every year.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Reminds me of a funny statistic i read coupla days ago. Do you know the amount of money these poor parents spend in their children's "coaching" in the "special-coaching-centers" to get admitted into IITs ? More than 100 cr per year ! F uck. It means, they can build a new IIT every year just by using that money !! If they have done that for the last 15 years, we would have got > 20 IITs.

Sometime I get brilliant ideas. One such idea is to collect one rupee from every Indian citizen and transfer all the money to a single bank account in the name of one person or village. That way, one village will become a billionare village(Rs. 100 crores) overnight. By repeating it everyday you create billionare villagers every day! innit fantastic!

[vakibs]

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Sometime I get brilliant ideas. One such idea is to collect one rupee from every Indian citizen and transfer all the money to a single bank account in the name of one person or village. That way, one village will become a billionare village(Rs. 100 crores) overnight. By repeating it everyday you create billionare villagers every day! innit fantastic!

But doesnt this happen all the time. When the TDP govt. used the tax money of the entire AP people to build the Gachibowli stadium for example. But I think people dont take it lightly when P Chidambaram suggests he is gonna add a new lucky-billionare-village tax of Rs.1 per day that is Rs.365 per year on each tax payer (actually 5 times that counting the size of Indian household .. that is Rs.1825 per year)

[fl]

u want a reason ill give u one
100cr for each IIT per year
not many colleges have that kinda budget

Reminds me of a funny statistic i read coupla days ago. Do you know the amount of money these poor parents spend in their children's "coaching" in the "special-coaching-centers" to get admitted into IITs ? More than 100 cr per year ! F uck. It means, they can build a new IIT every year just by using that money !! If they have done that for the last 15 years, we would have got > 20 IITs.

About computers can never replace profs. Arre. Jane do yaar. Or wait till vakibs enters this business.

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only

u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

[vakibs]

i think the statistic u are refering to is of kota only
u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

should i tell u a secret ? iit makes faculty. faculty dont make iit. I mean put up an IIT and automatically good faculty start creeping in there.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

u can put up buildings with 100cr but unfortunately u cant get the faculty required to "build" an IIT

and you dont get the students either... what with all the money required for their coaching is going into building IIT's