brahmins not better dalits better

[Habitual Perfectionist]

By the way P_D...you alluded to the Bhagvad Gita saying that Brahmins were born from the Lord's head while Shudras from His feet. Its not that I haven't read the Gita - the only difference between me and the likes of you and Dr.Ilaiah being that while I see the meaning of the verses in its overall context, you get stuck with the literal translations of the words themselves. In the Gita, the lord has always been referred to as the Paramatma, thus signifying a formless entity. If you could understand just this one basic tenet of the Gita, you wouldn't have gotten into the head-feet controversy.



Moreover, since you referred to the unequal status again, inspite of me having answered it, let me rephrase myself. A person is a Brahmin or a Kshatriya or a Vaishya and a Sudra not because of his origin but because of his Karma. Hence, your statement about you not being a Hindu because it doesn't see everyone as equals is akin to an illiterate wag disowning India because he's not being made the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court or the President.



Let me give you another example of the same. Imagine a class with 50 students. Although all 50 are equal to start with, some score better because of hard work and dedication; while others take things easy and fall behind on their scores. Do yo think all the 50 should get the same kind of job because they belong to the same class and studied the same things? And if your answer to this is yes, then you really need to accept the fact that you're an incorrigible commie. Nobody else, sane enough, would agree that all 50 from that class should be treated equal.

[I hate resevations]

Okay.. You dalits are complaining all the time.. I mean love failure of all the things... How important is that when compared to all the benefits you enjoy everywhere else... Huh... Shut up and enjoy the stuff, dont complain....

Your father probably enjoyed all the reservations and quota systems etc, you are enjoying too and your kid and his kids etc will enjoy the benfits.. What more do you want.I wish I were born a dalit...



I had a friend who said the following and i wanted to kick him in his balls," Nenu EAMCET examlo oka chukka pedithe chaalu. naaku seat vastundi, okkka chukka. HAA HAA HAA".



I hate the government too... I mean what sort of quota system is this.It should only be reserved to one generation of scehduled caste.For example, if father has got a seat in engineering because of quota implies the son shouldnt!This shoudlnt go on for more than one generation.That way, it would ensure staibility and people with merit will get what they deserve at the same time doing some well deserved charity!!!!



Poor brahmin boys and other FC candidates.. they slog their ass of only to get into a substandard college doing substandard engineering!



I def think brahmin boys/girls are much smarter than the dalits... in their habits and everything else.I think it will take a couple of generations for the dalit gene to evolve into the brahmin gene... Ofcourse.. There are exceptions to evrything.



All my BC freinds are amzingly smart and I really do respect them.I am talking about the majority of the BC people I have come accross.

[I hate Reseverations]

Dr Ilaiah will be killed soon by there ABVP people!!!!!HHe is from OU huh.. That is another dump!!! Full of these reservation candidates, who do their engineering for like 8 years and then get out with a fake certificate.TThese losers after getting out still hang around in the campus reminiscing the "good old days" and ragging the freshers and teasing the girls " Yemi cheshtaavu pilla, naaku permanentuga vandipedtau".. They do so till they are forty and then join some political party which again is full of such reservation candidates, and continue doing the same thing...

[proud_dalit]

HP,

what you trying to say is that you are born as the chief justice of India from your moothers womb even though you will end up being a rapist ,see below for the story where a brahmin raped 13 girls and murdered the 14th one.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... urpg-2.cms



Thats why a person should not be given some status becuase of his purva janma which we dont even know of ,it is this janma that should decide who will be the priest thats why I say Bhagwad gita is allwrong becuase it assigns a persona status on the basis of his birth not his actions.Thats why Hindusism is different from Brahminism ,Hinduism says everybody is equal and Brahminism says Brahmins are superior becuase they are born from the head of god and other varnas from the feet of god.

[CtrlAltDel]

i demand that the above post be deleted and the member warned/banned for posting abusive and racist comments.

[wisecrack]

wo woo...cool it P D dude!Frankly in my opinion, you r such a loooooser.Sorry abt tht ..but had to say it. First of all it makes no sense to start a thread on "Who's the best"? U say u r no Hindu,but then u cry foul against the principles of hinduism...wht exactly bothers u? And then u go on "generalise" abt some "brahmin" guy who had raped ..Yeah ok..He should be sentenced to death awrite..But that doesnt mean that all the Brahmins should go to the guillitone too...Does it? If so i can give u like a hundred cases where dalits murdered and raped people.**But i wont..**

Why this bickering about who's better and who's not? Yes.Agreed that the Caste system in India sucks big time...there u've got a point..But keep ur head-feet philosophy to urself...I dont understand the whole point of u mentioning something against Hinduism and then u talk abt "Brahmanism" **whtever tht is!!** Sad SAD SAD to c tht Indians still look down on a certain section of ppl..be it brahmins or dalits or vaishyas..or any other caste...And even sadder to c people starting threads to c who's greater /better and who's not ** chk out the tamil gal -telugu gal thread ** WTF is happening arnd here?..Religious,political,Regional issues can be discussed..but biasing and discriminating people based on there regional and religious status is BAD!!..Seriously where did u guys go wrong with ur education??? If u think u r better ..fine ...keep ur views to urself...nobody's gonna bother u tht way...Why parade all over saying "I am the best and you guys suck" ??? Shame on you pd and the likes of u ** note: i dont mean dalits or nething...ppl like u in general**

Bottom line:GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!!

[lizard king]

i demand that the above post be deleted and the member warned/banned for posting abusive and racist comments.

hey CAD, take it easy man... since when did we start taking people like him seriously?

[CtrlAltDel]

i just wanna see the mod's reaction



if i say "dalit lanja kodukullara" here, i wud be condemned at once, my post deleted and maybe i will be banned before i say "kancha illaiah"...now i wanna see how fast the mods react to this stmt.

[lizard king]

i just wanna see the mod's reaction

if i say "dalit lanja kodukullara" here, i wud be condemned at once, my post deleted and maybe i will be banned before i say "kancha illaiah"...now i wanna see how fast the mods react to this stmt.

Hey CAD, it is ur education and wisodm that u do not use the the phrases and so u are respected here, for ur knowledge. in the end it is only your wisdom that u carry with u where ever u go.. ur knowledge and theright use of it is the only path for nirvana.... my boy!





_! i am reading too much religious stuff lately!

[wisecrack]

Hey there Cad and lizard king..me a newbie here..been following some of the threads and posts for quite sometime. Enjoyed reading most of em.But there has to be some sort of monitoring for the use of such abusive language on the boards.I completely agree with u CAD...

[ycr007]

There's this Wisdom That I've picked up while surfing the Forums of late:

"You're Only As Good as Your last Post"



So let not the post you made convey a "Different" image from what you really are.

Normally I refrain from posting in such "Sensitive/Senseless" arguments

threads.But here I think Mr.Proud has carried things a bit too far.While it

is somehwat true that due to the action of some ill-meaned individuals,

the entire race is held at fault;we human beings should rise above this

pettiness.Like wisecrack pointed out,the caste/race system in india sure

needs a serious re-look but jus' coz of some perverted ppl,every1

can't be held at fault.



The Diverse nature of the people who inhabit this world makes it improbable

that two pwolple will share the same opinion about any controversial topic.

While it is really immature to use Personal Opinions for flaming & castigating,

we,as respectable citizens,should exercise restraint in our reactions.



Let me Quote a popular Hindi Saying:"Kutte Bhounke Hazaar,Hathi Chale Bazaar!!!"

[Jaszalcatraz]

It is obvious from your abusive languauge over there that dalits do not deserve to be a part of society. I've never had anything against the dalits but now I've been brainwashed by your shitty and totally nonsenseical posts. I hate you and your "kind" of people. Especially this Professor who you swear by.

By the way I wanted to know how much this Iliah dude was selling his books for?

No I dont want to buy it, I just want you to realize that by saying such controversial bullshit he's just trying to boost sales of his book and plan on buying this 2nd car and 3rd apartment.

[Jasz "Slider" Alcatraz]

Why we have to believe that brahmins are better than dalits, just because you are dalit you cannot marry the girl you love,it is bad.

There lies the root of the problem....or shall we say stick up the ass.



He must've been obsessed about some brahman chick. He's been a stalker and all that and then the chick told him to F c u k off.

Hence he be scorned lover........mike o'day

[Baap]

CHA CHA CHA....CHEE CHUM CHAHA....tis from a brahmin btw. Agreed ppl, that casteism is a pretty prevalent part of our "oh so sad" society, and agreed you have differnet freshers for brahmins and the kammas....jeez !!! (yeah thats what i said..JEEZ..aka JESUS)...bloody safe to take the name of the "other god" while questioning my own native religion...oh btw the pope died...and along with it ambivalence rose...about the sexual activities of priests. If a shudra's bum is being cut off here, then another catholic boy's innocence is being on the other side of the planet.

Thats why i dont subscribe to "expressional religion", i dont express religion because i am ashamed of the very concept. Although by definition, religion is definitely a required parameter in the equation called Life, its series of values are bloody inadmissable (Mathematics, a religion which I can subscrie to!)



Personally, all think its a bunch of jackshit....you know why..because of references in the Mahabharatha and Ramayana about Metal Flying Birds....for the Manusmriti having acts of ass torture in their verses, for me Religion was started when Caveman X went on the this field...after being rejected by Cavegirl Y, he was contemplating on life...because he wasnt strong enough to get it on with Cavegirl Y and Caveman Y was because he was stronger...you see the religion then was "Survival of the Fittest", and the GOD was the bloody strongest sonuvva bitch in that particular vicinity....anyway MAN had to friggin progress...and now what are here with, a buncha dark guys with imminent danger to their behinds.....JEEZ (and im sure...he too has a lotta of explaining to do...bloody fellow had to come and marry/not marry an ex-prostitute)...





PS : No offence intended to Christians, all offence intended to Hindus taking this Jackshit into all seriousness, and Sympathy for the all those guys with their asses... I must say though, pretty innovative...to think that a guy with a cut ass woulndt be able to sit...!!! *Heaving a Sigh...at the stupidity

[coolkat]

its nowhere said that bhramins are the ultimate in humans. Its not that an other cast person shld not marry a bhramin but the classes are made considering the activities they do. their lifestyle is different.



but i am against discrimination and reservation. every one shld be given equal oppurnity.



The way of living always makes a difference. You can always distinguish a person by examining his lifestyle.



But why are you just comparing with dalits? y not other casts?

[I hate dalits]

As far as killing Kancha Illaih is the question "***"

Yeah... See thats how you dalits are.That language.. thats what you are all about. By behaving and reacting like the way you did and you do most of the time, you really degrade yourself and your entire community.By the way are you from OU too?



Thats the "dalit grooming" place! Full of shitty people like you. The only difference between you and a bucket of shit is the bucket.(Boy I feel great everytime I use this phrase! It never seemed more relevant!)





I remember, once one reservration candidate like you from OU, poured acid on a girl (I am not sure if she was a bhrahmin)coz she did'nt listen to him or she diidnt want to ride his bike( I gues he bought the bike from all the money they collect during some festival or something and spend 5 % on the cause and keep rest of the money, pathetic beggars!!!!).



You are such pathetic people.You resort to such alternatives when you fail(which is most of the time).We on the other hand, work hard and know how to deal with failures, if any,unlike you, who are used to begging all the time and thriving on pity.Bloody ingrates.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

HP,
what you trying to say is that you are born as the chief justice of India from your moothers womb even though you will end up being a rapist ,see below for the story where a brahmin raped 13 girls and murdered the 14th one.

P_D.....this post of yours becomes the right example for what I mean when I say that a person's caste is not determined by his/her birth but by his/her actions. I don't think that anything came up on this thread that woul warrant such an abusive tirade from you. Just goes o show what kind of culture you ppl grow up with.

And yes...I would like to see the verse from the Gita that talks about this head/feet shite. I know I'm speaking to a stone wall but this is for the benefit of the impressionable people who frequent these boards and might get swayed by the crap you post.

You ask me about me being born as a chief justice or a rapist; but then when did I say that your caste is determined by your birth? To highlight this, let me present another section of the Gita where Krishna implores Arjuna to graduate from being a Kshatriya to a Brahmin. Does he mean that Arjuna should be born to a so-called brahmin in his next birth? No....FYI, all he means by that is a spiritual elevation of the self.

Thats why a person should not be given some status becuase of his purva janma which we dont even know of ,it is this janma that should decide who will be the priest thats why I say Bhagwad gita is allwrong becuase it assigns a persona status on the basis of his birth not his actions.

Again...who are you to know what a person's past actions are? A person's varna is something that his soul needs to know and not the others around him. That's the whole funda behind both the spiritual schools of the hindu religion - Dwaita and Adwaita. When you talk of a person being born a priest, priesthood is an occupation; not a caste. You are confusing a person's occupation with his caste, which is not correct. Let me give you another example of this - something topical fom the mahabharata. Bheeshma, inspite of being born into a family of rulers, was considered a brahmin.

Thats why Hindusism is different from Brahminism ,Hinduism says everybody is equal and Brahminism says Brahmins are superior becuase they are born from the head of god and other varnas from the feet of god.

Make up your mind dude. Are you for hinduism or against it?

As far as killing Kancha Illaih is the question "***"

I don't understand telugu but all I could get from others who do know the language is that its something really unparliamentary. Instead of breathing cowdung fire here...u might as well set me up for a debate with the prof. I'm dead serious about it.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Instead of breathing cowdung fire here...u might as well set me up for a debate with the prof. I'm dead serious about it.

On second thoghts, make that buffalo dung or else Dr.Ilaiah might get offended and refuse to debate the topic with me.

[proud_dalit]

HP,
what you trying to say is that you are born as the chief justice of India from your moothers womb even though you will end up being a rapist ,see below for the story where a brahmin raped 13 girls and murdered the 14th one.

P_D.....this post of yours becomes the right example for what I mean when I say that a person's caste is not determined by his/her birth but by his/her actions. I don't think that anything came up on this thread that woul warrant such an abusive tirade from you. Just goes o show what kind of culture you ppl grow up with.

And yes...I would like to see the verse from the Gita that talks about this head/feet shite. I know I'm speaking to a stone wall but this is for the benefit of the impressionable people who frequent these boards and might get swayed by the crap you post.

You ask me about me being born as a chief justice or a rapist; but then when did I say that your caste is determined by your birth? To highlight this, let me present another section of the Gita where Krishna implores Arjuna to graduate from being a Kshatriya to a Brahmin. Does he mean that Arjuna should be born to a so-called brahmin in his next birth? No....FYI, all he means by that is a spiritual elevation of the self.

Thats why a person should not be given some status becuase of his purva janma which we dont even know of ,it is this janma that should decide who will be the priest thats why I say Bhagwad gita is allwrong becuase it assigns a persona status on the basis of his birth not his actions.

Again...who are you to know what a person's past actions are? A person's varna is something that his soul needs to know and not the others around him. That's the whole funda behind both the spiritual schools of the hindu religion - Dwaita and Adwaita. When you talk of a person being born a priest, priesthood is an occupation; not a caste. You are confusing a person's occupation with his caste, which is not correct. Let me give you another example of this - something topical fom the mahabharata. Bheeshma, inspite of being born into a family of rulers, was considered a brahmin.

Thats why Hindusism is different from Brahminism ,Hinduism says everybody is equal and Brahminism says Brahmins are superior becuase they are born from the head of god and other varnas from the feet of god.

Make up your mind dude. Are you for hinduism or against it?

As far as killing Kancha Illaih is the question "***"

I don't understand telugu but all I could get from others who do know the language is that its something really unparliamentary. Instead of breathing cowdung fire here...u might as well set me up for a debate with the prof. I'm dead serious about it.

So HP now you say that the caste is not by birth but can be attained in this Janma also,thats a very good thing to hear from a Brahmin,but I think you rfather will be ashamed of you.I think we need to do some steps to restore the balance in the society.I thought the following steps will be good.



1. Install Dalit priests in major temples according to their percntage in hindu population.



2.Marry Dalit boys and Brahmin Girls ,so that there is balance and no enimity by Brahmins to Dalits.



3.Every rich Brahmin take a responsibility of a poor Dalit child.



Let me know HP ,no you have become good Brahmin and human being,I think you dont want to kill Illaiah with your ABVP friends,I know you are Brahmin you wont do it you will use others to do what you want to do.

[Jaszalcatraz]

I think we need to do some steps to restore the balance in the society.I thought the following steps will be good.

1. Install Dalit priests in major temples according to their percntage in hindu population.

2.Marry Dalit boys and Brahmin Girls ,so that there is balance and no enimity by Brahmins to Dalits.

3.Every rich Brahmin take a responsibility of a poor Dalit child.

We already have been enlightened and know the true colors of you crazy dalit people through your posts up there. After that I dont think I want you dalits to be part of my society. I dont want you to take care of the God I dont believe in. I dont want the women of my society to marry gutless gutter bred filth like you.

The third idea isnt so bad........we dont more of you roaming the roads.

[fullhyd.com]

i demand that the above post be deleted and the member warned/banned for posting abusive and racist comments.

Dear CAD:



We saw that post and these comments just now. We have deleted the abusive comments from the original post, so your own post might look a little out of context now. We are also warning the person for making, on these forums, derogatory and instigatory comments against an entire community.



It might be a good idea to send us a mail or a PM when there are such issues - we are not always looking at all the topics, since there are several posts every day.



Regards,

fullhyd.com

[Portuguese Man-Of-War]

As far as killing Kancha Illaih is the question "***"

So if someone kills someone else, the right response is raping the killer's wife ? Excellent judgement.



People like you make all dalits look bad.

[Reality,,its here. Accept it.]

well I havent been posting on these boards lately coz i dont see any threads that actually discuss issues. Even though this thread starts of in the worst possible way a thread can start, it got some interesting views along the way including some real colourful ones from CAD..



My take on the whole issue is simple.

why does anyone want to get involved in the debate as to who is better ? dont we know that on our own ? Frankly , how many of us think that someone dumber than us is actually clever just becoz some book says so ?

I think that is where the "upper castes" are scoring over the "lower castes". The "lower castes" are caught up in this totally useless arguements about the equality or inequality mentioned in the scared texts. ( as if we follow them everyday, i dont even remember anyone picking up the Bhagavat Gita apart the actors in the court room scenes). so why get worked up on that ?



Lokking at it the practical way ,, the lower castes get the reservations , they get the jobs , they get everything ,, so why complain ?



They complain becoz they are not treated equally by their collegues ?? Right ?

But how can they be treated equally when the Government decides they are special and gives them reservations in everything. They are special so there is no way they can be treated equal.

And if they want to be treated equal then they should take the path taken by people who arent treated special in everything.

just a few ways they can do it....



> dont use reservation, to get a job or seat or anything else ? and see the difference.

I know some people who belong the lower castes who dint use their special status and they get their due respect or even more than the general catogory people.



> dont just complain for the sake of complaining , you end up alienating more people than you endear.( jasz is an example of someone you alienated forever)



> dont fall into the useless junk people like that professor keep talking ,, they are suffering from intense sense of worthlessness , thats why they notice weird things,, like the cow-buffalo debate.



> and live your life , why do want to be a priest or something you dont want to be ,, but just are argueing about for the sake of it.

what are u losing by not being a preist in a temple to a god you denounce, get ur priorities right.



> And if u want equality in marraige , dude , wake there are a lot more barriers to that than just caste ,, first is to find out if the girl likes you , if she does then i dont think anything can stand in the way. If she doesnt, everything will.



The only way to lead life happily is to make it as simple as possible. and introspect rather than to find fault in everything around us.

[Portuguese Man-Of-War]

All the views of P_D and his idol Dr. Illaiah seem to flow from the fact that the Gita says that brahmins are born from the head of God, and sudras from the feet.



If P_D really knows what he is talking about, then let him not make another post without quoting the exact chapter and verse from the Gita where this is said.



Else, it only means that people like you are just trying to whip up caste-hatred feelings by uttering lies.

[courageous]

Is there any use in talking about who is inferior and who is superior. In modern India I dont think one really care which caste a person belongs to whether it to make a friend or for a job or for a marriage.



Exceptions do exist in every case... but that doesnt mean one target a community for something that was written by a person whom no one knows he actually existed.



I feel there can never be equality unless really people stop thinking who is superior.



Such debates on critical issues never lead anywhere and make a mockery of a community.