brahmins not better dalits better

[proud_dalit]

Why we have to believe that brahmins are better than dalits, just because you are dalit you cannot marry the girl you love,it is bad.Even after so many years in independece dalits are not free from brahmins.brahmins still control the 80 percent dalits and they only 5 percent,why .I read the following and would like share this with you ,what the vedas say about brahmins.



http://dalitstan.org/store/bkrev/r_nath.html



Treating Brahmins as superior and other varnas, namely, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra as inferior to him in descending order with the Shudra occupying the bottom of the hierarchy. A Brahmin is to be treated as god and respected even if he is ignorant. Even a hundred-year old Kshatriya is to treat a ten year old Brahmin as his father. [34] Brahmin alone is entitled to teach. If a Shudra d res to give moral lessons to a Brahmin, the king is to get him punished by pouring hot oil in his ear and mouth. [35] Similarly, if a Shudra occupies the same seat as a Brahmin, he is to be punished by branding his waist (with hot rod) or getting his buttocks cut! [36]



Manusmriti further states that having originated from the mouth of Brahma, being elder and being the repository of the Vedas; Brahmins are the masters of the entire universe. [26] Besides, Brahmins alone act as a sort of post office for transmitting food to the gods and the dead, that is to say, the gods and the dead eat food through the mouths of Brahmins (apparently because they do not have mouths of their own). Therefore, no one can be superior to Brahmins.[27] All others are said to enjoy everything owing to the Brahmins' mercy.[28] The Manusmriti clearly states that Brahmins alone are entitled to teach this dharmashastra and none else. [29]





Treating Brahmins as superior and other varnas, namely, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra as inferior to him in descending order with the Shudra occupying the bottom of the hierarchy. A Brahmin is to be treated as god and respected even if he is ignorant. Even a hundred-year old Kshatriya is to treat a ten year old Brahmin as his father. [34] Brahmin alone is entitled to teach. If a Shudra dares to give moral lessons to a Brahmin, the king is to get him punished by pouring hot oil in his ear and mouth. [35] Similarly, if a Shudra occupies the same seat as a Brahmin, he is to be punished by branding his waist (with hot rod) or getting his buttocks cut! [36]

[rabbithole]

I've come back here after a while and I see this thread...i ll stand by and wait for the fun to start... take him FHdb'ers.

[akhilis2cool]

@p_d

[ycr007]

[Jaszalcatraz]

**makes mental note to ignore thread**

[Sujatha]

there are two ways of thinking



Being a south indian brahmin i have faced the atrocities in schools and colleges because of anti brahmin policies.



I had lost the prestigeous college seats.



my quality of life has been reduced because of this.





Somehow after entering in to Central government services i had to move around with every body including the north indians.



Some filthy northies had earlier insulted me very badly because of my race(being south indian) .



I think they consider all south indians are Sudras.



This is the filthiest part of Hinduism, This racial part of which is followed very well by some northies.



I hate hinduism sometimes because of this F***ing Racism.





Bi friends



i am true to my heart.

[akhilis2cool]

I've come back here after a while and I see this thread...i ll stand by and wait for the fun to start... take him FHdb'ers.

welkum back rabbithole.

[Portuguese Man-Of-War]

Just what Hinduism is supposed to say - not my theory:



Take a competitive and meritocratic organization - no irregularities or politics. If you work hard in the organization, you keep getting promoted. As you get promoted and get higher designations, you get higher privileges.



In the Hindu scheme of things, Brahminism is like that. Across several lifetimes, if you have accumulated greater and greater virtue (karma) by going good deeds, you finally become a brahmin.



And what does that get you? Brahminism is the highest form of birth strictly since it is easiest to reach God and break away from the cycle of life and death for a brahmin.



That is the only way in which Hinduism says brahmins are superior. You have privileges everywhere in the world to reward the highest performers, and so with religion. You have worked hard enough to become a brahmin, your path to nirvana is easier.



"Easier" is the key word. Others can reach God and escape the cycle of life and death, too, but for a brahmin reaching God is supposed to happen if he just does his duty, since he already has accumulated enormous virtue - otherwise he wouldn't have been a brahmin. Others may need to have to do a lot more to reach God in their lifetime. Just like it is easier for Ian Thorpe to win the Olympic swimming gold than for you and me. But even you and I can, if we set our hearts and brains to it and slog it out. It's just that Thorpe has already done a lot of work, and is far ahead on that road.



So, a brahmin has technically earned his birth, and if you believe in karma, you cannot bitch that any more than you can grudge Warren Buffet his wealth.



Also, a person being born a brahmin is technically not something he deserves from what he does in this lifetime. He is reaping the fruit of all the good he did in the past. So saying brahmins are good or bad, or that they are better or worse than dalits is meaningless. From my understanding, what your behavior is in your current birth has mostly nothing to do with what it was in your earlier birth. Else, all rich, healthy and handsome people would be good, too.



If after being born a brahmin you screw up by hurting other people or not performing your duties, you go back in the path - you will continue to be born, and your next birth will depend on your acts in this birth. And if a dalit lives like a saint and spreads happiness, he will reach God in his own lifetime.

[Xeno]

Why we have to believe that brahmins are better than dalits, just because you are dalit you cannot marry the girl you love,it is bad.Even after so many years in independece dalits are not free from brahmins.brahmins still control the 80 percent dalits and they only 5 percent,why .I read the following and would like share this with you ,what the vedas say about brahmins.

Take it easy ,nobody is inferior to anybody else ,god created everybody equal and people have made divisions in the socitey, some one said that nobody can make you inferior without your permission.

[rabbithole]

I've come back here after a while and I see this thread...i ll stand by and wait for the fun to start... take him FHdb'ers.

welkum back rabbithole.

thank you akhil bhai

[proud_dalit]

Excellent read an eyeopener for all the dalits and OBCs and also the other castes.

http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/daliti ... i0101.html



Dr Kancha Ilaiah, associate professor of political science at Hyderabad's Osmania University, is known for his fierce attacks on Hindu religious and political leaders.



In 1996, his first book Why I am not a Hindu was accused of inflaming communal passions. Last month, he published another controversial tract, God as a Political Philosopher: Buddha's Challenge to Brahminism.



Dr Ilaiah, 48, says his tirade against Hinduism stems from the inhuman and humiliating caste-ridden conditions in which he was born and brought up. Born in a backward caste family in Andhra Pradesh's Warangal district, he was lucky to get a university education because of the reservation system.



"I am a product of the post-Independence rural caste whom Brahminical forces wanted to destroy. So I will continue to agitate against Hinduism," he says.



In an interview with Senior Associate Editor George Iype, he explains why he harbours so much anger against Hinduism.



What is God as a Philosopher: Buddha's Challenge to Brahminism about?



This book deals with the struggles that Buddha carried out against Brahminism in India. In India, there are two streams of religious thought: the dalitbahujan and brahminical streams. In the ancient world, actually at the time of the formation of Brahminism, high caste Brahmins tried to divide society into caste. That was when Buddha was born.



Buddha was basically a non-Aryan and came from a tribal background. He felt the Brahminical restructuring of society was going to destroy the edifice of India. So he began to search for an alternative, both in the philosophical realm and in civil society. My book deals with Buddha's struggles against Brahminism. The book captures the whole argument that Buddha himself developed against the Brahminical order.



Why are you a ferocious critic of Hinduism?



My criticism has grown out of my experiences and convictions in life. The Hindu religion and the Hindutva movement describe all Sudras, Chandalas and Adivasis as Hindus. That is wrong. I come from an Other Backward Class family called the Kurumas. The question is if I am a Hindu, my parents should have known that they were part of a particular religion. But they never knew whether they belonged to the Hindu religion.



Hinduism never initiated me or my people into its religion. We do not wear the threads, we cannot become temple priests, we do not have childhood formations like Brahminical children. Moreover, if I belong to Hinduism, I should share the food habits and ritual symbols of that religion. We do not share them also.



So, in your opinion, OBC Hindus do not believe in Hindu religious texts?



OBC Hindus cannot believe in the religious texts for various reasons. Take Hindu religious texts like the Rig Veda and Bhagwad Gita. According to these books, the Sudras were born from the feet of God and the Brahmins from the head. So if we were born from the feet, how do we go towards the head, which belongs to the Brahmins?



I believe the Hindu religious texts are not divine. They did not come from God. Brahminical forces deliberately wrote these religious texts showing the entire Sudra community as their feet boys. This is a very dehumanising proposition. And the tragedy is there is no way that we, the lower caste people, can escape from the tyranny of the Brahmins.



Do you hate Hinduism?



Yes, I hate Hinduism. Hinduism is not ours, it is against us. If we have to become Hindus, the Brahmins will have to change the entire religious texts, our food habits, our gods and goddesses and images. I am angry at the Hindu gods.



Why are you angry with Hindu gods?



Look at the images of Hindu gods. They wield weapons. We read that Hindu gods killed our own ancestors. How can I worship the killers as divine? What kind of a religion is it? There are three major religions -- Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. These major religions were constructed by prophets who sacrificed and struggled in life for people's liberation. All these three religions never said that the larger sections of their people were born from the feet of God.



So you do not consider Hinduism a religion?



Is Hinduism a religion of the stature of Buddhism, Islam and Christianity? In my view, Hinduism is not a religion. It is a cult of worshipping certain violent figures. A religion never worships a violent figure. Religion is a very enlightened social force. Religion is a very civilised thing that came into existence. Religion establishes certain agreements and covenants.



Hinduism does not have any divine covenants. Hinduism is a cult of Brahmins, Baniyas and Kshatriyas worshipping violent gods. This cult was constructed against the Sudras, Chandalas and Adivasis.



If it is not a cult, but a religion, it should have at least a holy book that gives all people equal rights. Does the Bhagwad Gita give equal rights? In the Bhagwad Gita, God says I have created four Varnas and the Sudra, Chandalas and Adivasis were created to serve the Brahmins. If that is the statement of a God, then I do not consider Hinduism a religion.



What is your advice to Hindu religious leaders?



I am asking Hindutva forces to liberate the OBCs, SCs, and STs from inhuman conditions. They do not have any religious rights. We can be given religious rights only if Hinduism is reformed.



Do you think India cannot be modernised if Hinduism is not reformed?



If India has to become a modern nation, it has to Dalitise itself. It has to discover its villages where 80 per cent of Indians, the SCs, STs, and OBCs, live. It has to establish an egalitarian relationship between Brahmins and the lower castes.



What should Hindu religious leaders do to create such an egalitarian relationship?



To begin with, they should sit down with the Sudras to rewrite a true Hindu religious holy book. It should be an egalitarian, spiritual democratic book written by the people's covenants. But again, for that, I think we the Sudras should be allowed to initiate the writing. Because we do not trust the Shankaracharyas and other religious leaders. We do not trust the Brahmin leaders. We cannot trust the sadhus and sanyasis who are going naked at the Kumbh Mela. Can we take those people who walk naked as spiritually advanced people?



All these Brahmins in the name of the Kumbh Mela are walking naked before the nation. I am terrified seeing the naked sadhus taking out processions. The sight is inhuman. Is it an enlightened religion? It is these VHP leaders and sadhus who are parading naked who want to take a decision whether the Ram Mandir should be built at the Babri mosque site. This is the greatest tragedy of India.



If you are against everything in Hinduism, how would do you describe the religion?



Hinduism is basically a spiritual fascist cult. It does not give rights to the lower castes. If the Brahmins want us to become Hindus, they should respect our food, culture and language. Why do Hindu leaders say only vegetarianism is divine? Why do Hindu leaders say prayers should be only in Sanskrit? Why can't I pray in Telugu?



Hindutva leader Human Resource Development Minister Murli Manohar Joshi is spending Rs 200 crore to establish Sanskrit schools across the country. Whom will he teach Sanskrit?



Let me tell you the statistics. Nearly 90 per cent of Brahmin students in the country are in English medium convent schools. They are sending their children to Christian schools and at the same time attacking Christian missionaries. Why should low caste Hindus learn Sanskrit? Having mastered Sanskrit, do we get the rights to control temples?



What then are your struggles for?



Our struggle is to have our own religious rights. When we are not Hindus, don't we have the right to embrace any other religions that gives equality? Why are the Brahmins attacking Christianity and Islam? Because there is a possibility that during this era of globalisation, global religions like Christianity and Islam can firmly establish themselves in India. For spirituality and religion, there are no borders.



If tomorrow, Hinduism gets established in Europe, will anybody stop it? So when Christianity and Islam are here, why are the Brahmins objecting? Because they fear that the Sudras, Chandalas and Adivasis may get empowered with the new English education that the Christians are giving to our people. That is why they are attacking Christians these days.



This is the grotesque conspiracy that Brahminical forces sitting and ruling us from Delhi under Atal Bihari Vajpayee, L K Advani and Arun Shourie have.



Do you think the Dalit movement in India is united to to take on the Brahminical forces?



We are fighting for equal rights. We are united. I have shown that in my book. Buddha started the struggle against Brahmins. We are continuing it. Now we are talking about our own liberation. The problem is that the Hindutva forces are in collusion with all temple priests, the Shankaracharyas; the VHP and RSS leaders are giving money to SCs and STs to work as full timers. I am now making a case for a global debate between the Sudras and Brahmins. I think Brahmins do not have the right to call themselves Indians.



Why?



Brahmins are basically Aryans who came from outside. They brought the cow along with them. They were eating the flesh of cows. But they began worshipping the cow as a sacred animal after Buddha took up a campaign saying stop killing animals. Then they said the cow is a sacred animal and it is in the Constitution.



Look at the reality. Eighty per cent of the milk in India comes from buffaloes. Buffaloes are the native Indian animals, but they do not have any rights to be protected in the Constitution. Because the buffalo is a Dravidian animal, whereas the cow is an Aryan animal!!!!.



The buffalo is a black animal and we are black people. We low caste people represent the rights of the buffaloes. Cows cannot be sacred and buffaloes cannot be devilish and yet India can become modern. It is not just possible. All Brahmins in India have been consumers in the history of India. They were never the producers. So, this has to be debated.



Are Hindu leaders ready for a debate with you on the points you have raised?



No, they are not ready for a debate. Even the Brahmins in the Communist and liberal parties are not ready for a debate. The people in the press are not ready for a debate. Because all these structures are headed by Brahmins. The question is inconvenient to all of them.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Look at the reality. Eighty per cent of the milk in India comes from buffaloes. Buffaloes are the native Indian animals, but they do not have any rights to be protected in the Constitution. Because the buffalo is a Dravidian animal, whereas the cow is an Aryan animal!!!!.

This one takes the cake... ROTFL!!!

[proud_dalit]

Look at the reality. Eighty per cent of the milk in India comes from buffaloes. Buffaloes are the native Indian animals, but they do not have any rights to be protected in the Constitution. Because the buffalo is a Dravidian animal, whereas the cow is an Aryan animal!!!!.

This one takes the cake... ROTFL!!!

You are ROTFLing on Brahminism or on the pathetic condition of the Dalits and the other lower catses??

[Jaszalcatraz]

Oppression exists only when the person being "oppressed" allows himself and submits himself to oppression. The moment you start feeling inferior you start feeling that people around you condescend you.

Instead of crying that the government isnt doing anything, why dont ya try and get some basic self-esteem

[lizard king]

knowing Kancha ilaiah at a personal level, i think he is nothing more than a communist jerk, and a strong advocate of dravidian independence. It is sad that i actually shared a podium with him at a group discussion on post independence youth agitation in India.... about 5 years ago.

[Jaszalcatraz]

Youth agitations in the recent past have become lesser and lesser effective in the last few years (except maybe the Mandal Commission).

Is this because of lack of solid youth leaders ala Michael from Yuva

[proud_dalit]

We ar enot talking about govt opression here we are talking about the opression by a froup of people using religion (Brahminism as a means),read the complete post before replying,I thought we would be having a meaning ful discussoin here not poss for the post count.

[DQ]

We ar enot talking about govt opression here we are talking about the opression by a froup of people using religion (Brahminism as a means),read the complete post before replying,I thought we would be having a meaning ful discussoin here not poss for the post count.

My 50 - 48 cents to a meaningful argument.



What history has done learn from it. Its good to see that you are a Proud Dalit.

But are you not setting the stage for similar injustice.



In the 21st century with all the reservations, say if the dalits turn into a powerful force, will you malign the Brahimins because you consider Dalits are better.



I would say spreading the message of equality is more important than debating who is better or worse.



When a dalit considers a brahmin equal, and a brahmin considers a dalit equal there is no conflict. Why group your selfs. Break the shackles of castism !!!!

[mark]

We ar enot talking about govt opression here we are talking about the opression by a froup of people using religion (Brahminism as a means),read the complete post before replying,I thought we would be having a meaning ful discussoin here not poss for the post count.

My 50 - 48 cents to a meaningful argument.

What history has done learn from it. Its good to see that you are a Proud Dalit.
But are you not setting the stage for similar injustice.

In the 21st century with all the reservations, say if the dalits turn into a powerful force, will you malign the Brahimins because you consider Dalits are better.

I would say spreading the message of equality is more important than debating who is better or worse.

When a dalit considers a brahmin equal, and a brahmin considers a dalit equal there is no conflict. Why group your selfs. Break the shackles of castism !!!!

DQ, you making a remarkable amount of sense recently. you get hit over the head with a brick or something? only messing mate, good post.

[san]

whoa that lengthly post sure has things i never knew about. wud never have thought along those lines.



casteism has deep roots in our soceity and saying one is better than the other is only going to make the situation worse.



why do schools still insist on registering castes not just the religion? by asking each student to state his/her caste, the system is making kids aware of the differences...

[Lucifer]

Why oh why did I click here?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

I'm ready for a debate with this Ilaiah dude. Where can I get him?

What is God as a Philosopher: Buddha's Challenge to Brahminism about?

This book deals with the struggles that Buddha carried out against Brahminism in India. In India, there are two streams of religious thought: the dalitbahujan and brahminical streams. In the ancient world, actually at the time of the formation of Brahminism, high caste Brahmins tried to divide society into caste. That was when Buddha was born.

Buddha was basically a non-Aryan and came from a tribal background. He felt the Brahminical restructuring of society was going to destroy the edifice of India. So he began to search for an alternative, both in the philosophical realm and in civil society. My book deals with Buddha's struggles against Brahminism. The book captures the whole argument that Buddha himself developed against the Brahminical order.

Boo!!!

Buddha was a renunciant who had nothing to do with caste. He simply preached the commandments of peace, brotherhood and oneness. He was a yogi whose only objective was to teach people the right path to God. From where does this senile dood get this "Buddha was against brahmins" theory?

Why are you a ferocious critic of Hinduism?

My criticism has grown out of my experiences and convictions in life. The Hindu religion and the Hindutva movement describe all Sudras, Chandalas and Adivasis as Hindus. That is wrong. I come from an Other Backward Class family called the Kurumas. The question is if I am a Hindu, my parents should have known that they were part of a particular religion. But they never knew whether they belonged to the Hindu religion.

Hinduism never initiated me or my people into its religion. We do not wear the threads, we cannot become temple priests, we do not have childhood formations like Brahminical children. Moreover, if I belong to Hinduism, I should share the food habits and ritual symbols of that religion. We do not share them also.

That's because hinduism (its actually sanatana dharma) is an extremely democratic religion. You are not bound to follow any particular ritual or pray to a specific diety. You are free to follow your own will and visit any place of worship and follow any rituals you deem fit for yor lifestyle.

You're blaming the religion for not having initiated you into itself. Tell me one religion which goes to every household and initiates people. Did you ever take any initiative to so anything about it? And when you talk about a sense of belonging, its never a one way train. You too need to feel the sense of belonging for your religion.

So, in your opinion, OBC Hindus do not believe in Hindu religious texts?

OBC Hindus cannot believe in the religious texts for various reasons. Take Hindu religious texts like the Rig Veda and Bhagwad Gita. According to these books, the Sudras were born from the feet of God and the Brahmins from the head. So if we were born from the feet, how do we go towards the head, which belongs to the Brahmins?

I believe the Hindu religious texts are not divine. They did not come from God. Brahminical forces deliberately wrote these religious texts showing the entire Sudra community as their feet boys. This is a very dehumanising proposition. And the tragedy is there is no way that we, the lower caste people, can escape from the tyranny of the Brahmins.

Someone says something and you believe it? Whats yor own self-esteem all about? What you're talking about it maybe your teacher's or your village elders' interpretation of the vedas. As PMOW has already described above, there is also a very humane and logical explanation of the varna system. Why don't you adopt that viewpoint?

Do you hate Hinduism?

Yes, I hate Hinduism. Hinduism is not ours, it is against us. If we have to become Hindus, the Brahmins will have to change the entire religious texts, our food habits, our gods and goddesses and images. I am angry at the Hindu gods.

You're such a sad person, Mr.Ilaiah. You really need to get a life.

Why are you angry with Hindu gods?

Look at the images of Hindu gods. They wield weapons. We read that Hindu gods killed our own ancestors. How can I worship the killers as divine? What kind of a religion is it? There are three major religions -- Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. These major religions were constructed by prophets who sacrificed and struggled in life for people's liberation. All these three religions never said that the larger sections of their people were born from the feet of God.

FYI, first, hinduism also talks about a singular God. And what you refer to as "Gods" are dieties; human creations. And who are you talking as yoru own ancestors here? IMO, all hindu mythological stories celebrate the victory of Good over Evil. Do you mean to say that the Evil were your ancestors? And even if they were, woul you be by their side in a fight against Good just because they were your ancestors? You sound more like the Cosa Nostra rather than a religious revolutionary here.

So you do not consider Hinduism a religion?

Is Hinduism a religion of the stature of Buddhism, Islam and Christianity? In my view, Hinduism is not a religion. It is a cult of worshipping certain violent figures. A religion never worships a violent figure. Religion is a very enlightened social force. Religion is a very civilised thing that came into existence. Religion establishes certain agreements and covenants.

Hinduism does not have any divine covenants. Hinduism is a cult of Brahmins, Baniyas and Kshatriyas worshipping violent gods. This cult was constructed against the Sudras, Chandalas and Adivasis.

If it is not a cult, but a religion, it should have at least a holy book that gives all people equal rights. Does the Bhagwad Gita give equal rights? In the Bhagwad Gita, God says I have created four Varnas and the Sudra, Chandalas and Adivasis were created to serve the Brahmins. If that is the statement of a God, then I do not consider Hinduism a religion.

If you say that about Bhagvad Gita, I'm sure you've never read the book and you believe in whatever you do simply because of heresay. And the Gita clearly tells us that God looks at everyone with the same feelings. Although its your Karma that makes you a brahmin, Vaishya, Kshatriya or Shudra and not your birth. Tell me...would you look at Gautam Buddha and Dawood Ibrahim with the same eyes, Dr. Ilaiah?





I wanted to answer them all, but with every question and answer, Dr.Ilaiah's logic kept getting more irritating. I'd rather prefer a straight debate with the bigoted craphole.

[proud_dalit]

So you do not consider Hinduism a religion?

Is Hinduism a religion of the stature of Buddhism, Islam and Christianity? In my view, Hinduism is not a religion. It is a cult of worshipping certain violent figures. A religion never worships a violent figure. Religion is a very enlightened social force. Religion is a very civilised thing that came into existence. Religion establishes certain agreements and covenants.

Hinduism does not have any divine covenants. Hinduism is a cult of Brahmins, Baniyas and Kshatriyas worshipping violent gods. This cult was constructed against the Sudras, Chandalas and Adivasis.

If it is not a cult, but a religion, it should have at least a holy book that gives all people equal rights. Does the Bhagwad Gita give equal rights? In the Bhagwad Gita, God says I have created four Varnas and the Sudra, Chandalas and Adivasis were created to serve the Brahmins. If that is the statement of a God, then I do not consider Hinduism a religion.

If you say that about Bhagvad Gita, I'm sure you've never read the book and you believe in whatever you do simply because of heresay. And the Gita clearly tells us that God looks at everyone with the same feelings. Although its your Karma that makes you a brahmin, Vaishya, Kshatriya or Shudra and not your birth. Tell me...would you look at Gautam Buddha and Dawood Ibrahim with the same eyes, Dr. Ilaiah?


I wanted to answer them all, but with every question and answer, Dr.Ilaiah's logic kept getting more irritating. I'd rather prefer a straight debate with the bigoted craphole.

The thing is you are answerig acording to your own convenience, Bhagwad gita clearly says that sudras were born from th feet of god and Brahmins from the head of god,and it goes on to say that sudras and othjer castes were created to serve the Brahminical individuals.either youhave no tread Bhagvad gita , or you are a Brahmin trying to misled other innocent castes.How can I be a Hindu when Hinduism doesnt allow me the same status it allows others,by being Hindu I should first agree that I am of a lower caste untouchable.Keep this _ teachings to your self I am completely out of it.If you want to meet Illaiah I ll love to set up a debate with Brahmins on the topic of "Brahminism" ,and he is a professor in Osmania university you can go and meet him there.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

If you want to meet Illaiah I ll love to set up a debate with Brahmins on the topic of "Brahminism"

Bring it on baby!!

[may mor]

pleezz donot fight over pretty things like this pees pees!