Food for thought

[Aishwarya]

Questions:



1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?



2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?



3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.



4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

[The Jackal]

Questions:

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

Hmm a good topic.Well lets see.



1.Maybe.There is a strong chance.

2.Mistakes in Evolution.....If you dont beleive in Evolution then you can say its the will of God.No i dont think so.Other species are surviving with lesser IQ.

3. Yeah maybe its a conspiracy.

4.No I dont think so.Lets take this DB itself,many of us here follow religion even though most of are educated.I think Bond is the only guy whos Atheist.Education takes no role in religion.

[The Jackal]

Questions:

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

Hmm a good topic.Well lets see.



1.Maybe.There is a strong chance.

2.Mistakes in Evolution.....If you dont beleive in Evolution then you can say its the will of God.No i dont think so.Other species are surviving with lesser IQ.

3. Yeah maybe its a conspiracy.

4.No I dont think so.Lets take this DB itself,many of us here follow religion even though most of are educated.I think Bond is the only guy whos Atheist.Education takes no role in religion.

[The Jackal]

Questions:

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

Hmm a good topic.Well lets see.



1.Maybe.There is a strong chance.

2.Mistakes in Evolution.....If you dont beleive in Evolution then you can say its the will of God.No i dont think so.Other species are surviving with lesser IQ.

3. Yeah maybe its a conspiracy.

4.No I dont think so.Lets take this DB itself,many of us here follow religion even though most of are educated.I think Bond is the only guy whos Atheist.Education takes no role in religion.

[The Jackal]

WTF!!!!Why are there soo many repeat posts?

[CtrlAltDel]

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

hmmmm....it might be possible to reduce conflicts that way...

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

as Jackal said, its all in Evolution...which is a completely natural phenomenon. since its natural, i think its ok for man to be intelligent!

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

:lol: what do u mean by "conspiracy"? i dont care for modern art either, but i dont see any "conspiracy" in making or selling them...

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

there is no need of religion if entire humankind starts thinking/acting practically and rationally. if education can help in developing such thinking/acting, so be it.



here we shud remember one thing: when i say "education" its not just "literacy" (ability to read/write), work with computers etc etc, but "education" as in inculcating ability to think, behave and talk rationally and having the ability to gather information and knowledge on any topic...

[ycr007]

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

No Comments!!!

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

Man is the most intelligent coz the society he lives in,nesseciates it

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.It may sound as a cliche but there it is.

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

I doubt it whether most people will be literate.

There may rise a multitude of cultures which may lead to a boom in religious fanaticism

[mark]

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

Man is the most intelligent coz the society he lives in,nesseciates it

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

I doubt it whether most people will be literate.
There may rise a multitude of cultures which may lead to a boom in religious fanaticism

100 years down the line we shall all be living in caves, literacy level will be 0%, people will form religions worshipping the destructive but advanced global civilisation of the 20/21st century.





YCR, "Man is the most intelligent coz the society he lives in,nesseciates it

"? bit of a chicken/egg situation there.



man is most intellegent for the same reason that Cheeta is fastest, or Girraffe is tallest. that's our niche. there's only room at the top for 1 in 1 area, and as man is a global pest, there's only room for 1.

[Sharjeel]

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

Which is precisely the idea that was being conveyed by those.... Gods. If someone took the time (and had the intellegence) to actually understand what these great people were trying to say, then he would come to the exact same conclusion.

These people did not want the others to worship them; they only wanted the others to follow their actions and try to live a good life.

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

Science might say it is evolution, while others might say it is because man was created by God as an intellegent being. IMO, it is a combination of both (And i am not trying to be politically correct here).

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

I feel drawing, painting is a waste of time and effort. Not that they are not nice to look at, but they are useless.

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

I agree with Mark here. Even Einstein predicted that humans are too violent to be exist without a holocaust for any length of time...

[rock_26iin]

Questions:

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

I quote both these together since they are pretty much related. I think that religion wasn't cut out to be the way it is potrayed now-a-days. It just started off as today's "fairy-tales" where there are morals hidden behind the story and tell us a better way to lead our life. Over the years, these slowly reached a myth like state and then went on to become epics as told today. So, 100 years down the line, probably Harry Potter will be our new god and Frodo will be the other god, get the point? Therefore, I believe that religion is just to guide us onto the right path, not something we should devote our life to and believe that we have to defend it and fight against anything said against it. But then again, thats just my theory

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

2. So what is your point? Man shouldn't be as intelligent as he is now? He should go back to the cave life and stop trying to invent new things and be content with what he has?



Varying degrees of intelligence, that I do not know of but I am glad that we at least have the intelligence that we do



3. Believe whatever you want to believe. Most people just jump onto the boat and say that modern art is nonsense and blah blah, but honestly how much modern art have you really seen? I agree some of them are just vague strokes without any particular meaning but some of those paintings are really worth admiring. Check out HH sir's Visionary Art thread too.



Phew, thats probably my longest post on the boards, without spam

[Jaszalcatraz]

1. If instead of Krishna,Christ,Buddha etc their philosophy was glorified, then would there be any wars regarding religion (Bhagavad Gita,Holy Bible should be prayed and followed instead of Kirhsna or Christ) ?

I do not agree with this........we're already having lots of problems with people misinterpreting the holy scriptures. Having religions based wholly on the interpretation can only be bad.

2. Why do varying degrees of intelligence exist among various species? Is there any need for man to be as intelligent as he is now?

THis is part of my theory on Universal Balance. It says that there's balance in everything. While we have the intelligence, we dont the physical abilities of some of the animals.

3. Is Modern Art a conspiracy? Making people think they are idiots when they dont understanding the random meaningless strokes and then inviegling them into buying crap.

Yes. Modern Artists themselves admit to it. They call it "Abstract Expressionism" which basically means that they have no clue what they just painted but hope to make million out of it. But we cannot generalize.

4. 100 years down the line, when most people will be literate and educated, will there be any need for religion anymore? Education removes any need for religion.

Totally untrue. While humans already have the intelligence and education to implement "insane" ideas, it is our religion that keeps us back. Example - Cloning

[Aishwarya]

Religion, as I understand, is not a bunch of stories.People mistake religion for mythology.Religion is set of rules.Essence of Hinduism is Bhagavad Gita ,whereas that of Christianity is The Ten Commandments.All these are just a set of rules that one must follow to have a decent life.All these religions give various incentives to follow these rules,thus the concept of heaven and hell.

The point is, these rules,be it from Gita or Bible, say the same thing,preach the same thing.Take for instance "Do not do to others what you would not have them do to you", ( the rule I am most comfortable with) is the most generalized and the best rule that I have come accross.Now, there is no mention of any name of any person, it doesnt even mention God, rituals ,caste, demarcation etc!!



I am sure, you will agree when I say, that we are much wiser than how we were 100 years back.We possess some deadly weapons,agreed, but we are wise enough not to use them in the name of religion.99% of the human population say that the holocaust is bad,Hirsohima Nagasaki is shameful etc etc.Trend seems good.100 years down the line, I have a feeling that people will think beyond religion,not only because they are wiser(that also) but more so because they would be sick of it.Sick of fighting for it.Obsession,though a strong feeling,can last only so much.



There will then be a society which is educated and too busy to think about issues like religion.The purpose of religion is ultimately have a society that is free of religion.

[Aishwarya]

See, the herbivores arent as strong as the carnivores,therefore it is natural for them to be smarter so that they can defend themselves by some other means(brains over brawns).If they are not they would end up being extinct as the"dodo".It makes sense, as to why there are varying degrees of intelligence.Therefore, to be able to survive it is necessary that you are smarter than the other species esp if they pose a threat.



Second,intraspecies competion.Fecundity, or reproduction, is another major critereon that decides if the species have to develop further.For example, monkey.Now the female monkey is about to mate with the strongest male monkey ib the group when suddenly a tiny,lanky monkey comes with a trinket or an exotic fruit and gives it to the female monkey,she is flattered and ends up mating with the other guy.



But man on the other hand, was able to do so even 3000 years ago and statics and experiments prove that the average IQ of the man has increased over these years.Why is there a need for the intelligence to increase with every generation.The intelligence he had about 3000 years ago is sufficient for him to survival and sustenance.



Seems to me that humankind is just nature's instability interms of intelligence.And if I am wrong( I am sure I am,just that I need to be proven wrong) then that leads to various other question where realms of sceince end and spirituality begin. Questions such as,why are we here in the first place? What is it we are supposed to do with this much intelligence, build dangerous weapons or conduct expeditions to space and other planets,make clones out of us or TRY TO BE GOD?

[CtrlAltDel]

The purpose of religion is ultimately have a society that is free of religion.

thats an intriguing theory....

[ycr007]

YCR, "Man is the most intelligent coz the society he lives in,nesseciates it
"? bit of a chicken/egg situation there.

man is most intellegent for the same reason that Cheeta is fastest, or Girraffe is tallest. that's our niche. there's only room at the top for 1 in 1 area, and as man is a global pest, there's only room for 1.

Yes,it is Due to Man's continued effort for Domination that he has made

himself to be the primary being.



I understand that By Chicken Egg Situation,u mean that Whether Man came

first or Society

I am of the impression that all this frivolous stuff like Society,Caste,Religion

Gender Discrimination etc was made up by Man himself Just so as to be

THE Dominator.



For Example,Let us say that I am Envious of CAD's Standing here.Since

I cannot BEat him here,I create my Own Forum,become No.1 ther and

pamper my Ego.Makes sense?

(Just An Example Folks,CAD's Disclaimer Applies here too )

[ycr007]

YCR, "Man is the most intelligent coz the society he lives in,nesseciates it
"? bit of a chicken/egg situation there.

man is most intellegent for the same reason that Cheeta is fastest, or Girraffe is tallest. that's our niche. there's only room at the top for 1 in 1 area, and as man is a global pest, there's only room for 1.

Yes,it is Due to Man's continued effort for Domination that he has made

himself to be the primary being.



I understand that By Chicken Egg Situation,u mean that Whether Man came

first or Society

I am of the impression that all this frivolous stuff like Society,Caste,Religion

Gender Discrimination etc was made up by Man himself Just so as to be

THE Dominator.



For Example,Let us say that I am Envious of CAD's Standing here.Since

I cannot BEat him here,I create my Own Forum,become No.1 ther and

pamper my Ego.Makes sense?

(Just An Example Folks,CAD's Disclaimer Applies here too )

[mark]

YCR, "Man is the most intelligent coz the society he lives in,nesseciates it
"? bit of a chicken/egg situation there.

man is most intellegent for the same reason that Cheeta is fastest, or Girraffe is tallest. that's our niche. there's only room at the top for 1 in 1 area, and as man is a global pest, there's only room for 1.

I understand that By Chicken Egg Situation,u mean that Whether Man came
first or Society

)

no i meant which came first, intellegence or society. from your post you have society as the cause and intellegence as the effect. i would reverse this, but i guess they developed side by side.

[ycr007]

YCR, "Man is the most intelligent coz the society he lives in,nesseciates it
"? bit of a chicken/egg situation there.

man is most intellegent for the same reason that Cheeta is fastest, or Girraffe is tallest. that's our niche. there's only room at the top for 1 in 1 area, and as man is a global pest, there's only room for 1.

I understand that By Chicken Egg Situation,u mean that Whether Man came
first or Society

)

no i meant which came first, intellegence or society. from your post you have society as the cause and intellegence as the effect. i would reverse this, but i guess they developed side by side.

Oh,yes...Side by side wud definitely suit everyone

But was'nt Man intelligent enuff from the very beginning?

I may sound contradicting my own views but there it is....



Wheel Fire Dwellings Clothings using

Animals for work etc,aren't they signs of Man's intelligence?

[mark]

what im saying is that our intellegence didnt evolve because of our society, rather our society evolved because of our intellegence. sure homo sapiens has always had superior cognative skills to the rest of the earths animals, but society has been around a lot longer than we have. watch a group of monkeys interacting, or the complex mating behaviour of a pride of lions for example. society isn't exclusive to humans.

we are by nature gregarious (sp?) animals, but we're not unique in that.

[ycr007]

True.

Animals too have their own society and all but it is Us humans who have

segregated Society to suit our basic needs & requirements.Animals don't

need to do that,do they?



Also Intelligence is of various levels & degrees in Humans.I don't think

that this is a preconceived thing.Just that with the passage of Time,some race

& class of ppl have developed higher intelligence levels.



And again there are different types of intelligece.I mean those which are not

developed due to education as such but which are imbibed within by observatiion

and experience.



I'm not muudling it am I?

[mark]

True.
Animals too have their own society and all but it is Us humans who have
segregated Society to suit our basic needs & requirements.Animals don't
need to do that,do they?

Also Intelligence is of various levels & degrees in Humans.I don't think
that this is a preconceived thing.Just that with the passage of Time,some race
& class of ppl have developed higher intelligence levels.

And again there are different types of intelligece.I mean those which are not
developed due to education as such but which are imbibed within by observatiion
and experience.

I'm not muudling it am I?

your first paragraph is incorrect, you second is scary, your third is spot on however.



First off, most species have some sort of social structure necessary to the survival of the species, a great example of segregating society to suit basic needs and requirements is a bee hive. Workers, warriors, queen, all work to meet their own need and the needs of the society (again this "society" is an emergent property of a complex system)



Second paragraph is very strange, race/class? do you mean certain races are more intellegent? extremely strange POV.

[ycr007]

Also Intelligence is of various levels & degrees in Humans.I don't think
that this is a preconceived thing.Just that with the passage of Time,some race
& class of ppl have developed higher intelligence levels.

Second paragraph is very strange, race/class? do you mean certain races are more intellegent? extremely strange POV.

Don't u think so? Do u feel that Everyone has the same Intelligence levels?

I admit that Race/Class is a really crude sort of putting my POV but normall,

in the society,itz the higher classes that are considered more Intelligent

than the lower strata.

That race/Class need not be on Religion itself,it may be Profession also.

For ex. Doctors are generally considered more intelligent than Grocers.

But that POV is confined only to the Educational Intelligence.But when

it comes to Business Shrewdness,I need'nt say that the Grocer's gonna

score over the Doctor.

[mark]

Also Intelligence is of various levels & degrees in Humans.I don't think
that this is a preconceived thing.Just that with the passage of Time,some race
& class of ppl have developed higher intelligence levels.

Second paragraph is very strange, race/class? do you mean certain races are more intellegent? extremely strange POV.

Don't u think so? Do u feel that Everyone has the same Intelligence levels?
I admit that Race/Class is a really crude sort of putting my POV but normall,
in the society,itz the higher classes that are considered more Intelligent
than the lower strata.
That race/Class need not be on Religion itself,it may be Profession also.
For ex. Doctors are generally considered more intelligent than Grocers.
But that POV is confined only to the Educational Intelligence.But when
it comes to Business Shrewdness,I need'nt say that the Grocer's gonna
score over the Doctor.

i feel there are stupid people at every level of society, and smart ones too. i'm a computer engineer, however in Tirupathi i was beaten in chess by a street sweeper.

anyhow, intelligence is overrated i think. i know lots of people dumber than me who make far better employees, friends, and human beings than i do.