How is drawing the blue line justified?

[lizard king]

The book" The moor s last sigh" was banned in india for a short while, in a country which claims to be the only one standing on the true pillars of democracy, where the church/temple/hindutva has nothign to do with the government decisions and functioning unlike any country of the new world where religion dominates politics and science aswell(would be the only reason bush was re elected and theraputic cloning banned, according to me).



But why do we draw these blue lines of censorship across art and thought? why is it a taboo to talk about myths and mystiques of social life, sexual included? why is it such a bad thing to bring it to the light what has/is been happening behind closed doors? leading to top the world in sexually transmitted diseases? what happened to blue penciling there? what happened to moderation there, that art and thought are subject to censorship?

is it lack of education amongst the educated or the unchained love of ignorance that has created this scenario?



where do we draw a line if we still want to? I cannot and do not want to replace the words 'want to' with 'have to' on arbitrary basis.

[The Jackal]

What exactly is this book about?

[Xeno]

What exactly is this book about?

Looks like he didnt even read the book before posting this.

[CtrlAltDel]

why was it banned? whats it all about? is it a controversial subject like Satanic Verses?

[lizard king]

What exactly is this book about?

dude, the book was just an example to put my point thru, and hey Xeno, yeah... i did nt read the book, well, if u are one of those staunch hardcore pro - fatwa and pro-taboo guys, it is a book by Rushdie

[lizard king]

why was it banned? whats it all about? is it a controversial subject like Satanic Verses?

na, the thread has nothing to do with the book CAD, well, if u are still very curious, i think the dog character in the book was called jawaharlal or some thing, so the maharashtra govt banned it.

anyway, the poing i wanted to put thru was about blue penciling and about censorship! maybe it was a communication error that u guys did nt get it right!

[The Jackal]

What exactly is this book about?

dude, the book was just an example to put my point thru, and hey Xeno, yeah... i did nt read the book, well, if u are one of those staunch hardcore pro - fatwa and pro-taboo guys, it is a book by Rushdie

Ohh.Just wanted to know what the book was about.I have some things to post but not really in the mood to type a LOT.Probably will post it tomorrow.

[Xeno]

What exactly is this book about?

dude, the book was just an example to put my point thru, and hey Xeno, yeah... i did nt read the book, well, if u are one of those staunch hardcore pro - fatwa and pro-taboo guys, it is a book by Rushdie

I know man , I know that its a book by Rushdie, so what!Looks like you are big fan of Rushdie even before reading his books.

[rock_26iin]

What exactly is this book about?

dude, the book was just an example to put my point thru, and hey Xeno, yeah... i did nt read the book, well, if u are one of those staunch hardcore pro - fatwa and pro-taboo guys, it is a book by Rushdie

I know man , I know that its a book by Rushdie, so what!Looks like you are big fan of Rushdie even before reading his books.

Dude, relax! He just used the book as an example, it doesn't necessarily mean he loves or even likes the books! No need to be so offensive.



And LK, whoever said that blue lining is justified?? If the Shiv Sena had it their way who knows what might have happened? Again, this is not indirectly related to the society post. What was taboo then is considered taboo today and unless people change their mindset and have a broader outloook it will remain taboo forever. And I feel I speak for the entire youth when I say, we have a right to know! I personally feel that it should be one of the Fundamental Rights, sorry for disgressing though. Ultimately, my point is that until people widen their aspect and accept things as they come this blue lining will never stop.

[lizard king]

What exactly is this book about?

dude, the book was just an example to put my point thru, and hey Xeno, yeah... i did nt read the book, well, if u are one of those staunch hardcore pro - fatwa and pro-taboo guys, it is a book by Rushdie

I know man , I know that its a book by Rushdie, so what!Looks like you are big fan of Rushdie even before reading his books.

na man

i am not a fan of rushdie, and as a matter of fact, i am not that well read, and as such, i did nt have anything pro or against rushdie as much as i am against censorship

[CtrlAltDel]

censorship does not go well with democracy. its like telling people they have the right to see what they want as long as the govt. says its fine...thats illogical.

[lizard king]

censorship does not go well with democracy. its like telling people they have the right to see what they want as long as the govt. says its fine...thats illogical.

i think even this is a case of insecurity, of losing the culture, or the so far called moralised nature of the society.

why do shiv sainiks have to go destroy hussains paintings (although he is an _). what harm is it causing them if he painted Sita in the nude? they respect her, thats fine, but Sita s value in the in the indian eyes would nt be degraded by this work of his. would it? sasme thing with Lajja or satanic verses, Islam is a great religion and just like everyhting on this earth, nothing is perfect, still people will follow it, no matter what., just that rushdie has different views about it does nt mean that he has to be beheaded.

forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

[CtrlAltDel]

forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

:lol: i was waiting for u to say that ^^^

[SAAB]

censorship does not go well with democracy. its like telling people they have the right to see what they want as long as the govt. says its fine...thats illogical.

i think even this is a case of insecurity, of losing the culture, or the so far called moralised nature of the society.
why do shiv sainiks have to go destroy hussains paintings (although he is an _). what harm is it causing them if he painted Sita in the nude? they respect her, thats fine, but Sita s value in the in the indian eyes would nt be degraded by this work of his. would it? sasme thing with Lajja or satanic verses, Islam is a great religion and just like everyhting on this earth, nothing is perfect, still people will follow it, no matter what., just that rushdie has different views about it does nt mean that he has to be beheaded.
forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

Whoa Whoa Whoo, dont you think you are getting away with a lot here.



Thats the major problem with Democracy, not censorship. Its freedom, an individual has the right to hurt the feelings and sentiments of millions in the name of art, literature, openness etc.



Respect is the crux dude. What ever your specialisation, first comes respect. When that is lost, everything else is.



And these so called artist and literaries cant they think about anything else apart from hurting peoples sentiments.



Its like this dude, I shout out "YOU BASTARD" and then say don't get offended dude, are you one? No then why get affected.



Then the person goes oh no no no, hes actually doubting my mom, I cant ask my mom so I will fight him. and then why?

[mark]

feeling of deja-vu here, i've posted something similar here recently. here we go again though.

If I write a book entitled "Bill Gates is a money laundering crook who wears womens underwear" then Billy will sue me (if i managed to get it published) and get the book banned, and he would have every right to unless there was evidence of his cross-dressing and theiving.

However if i write a book called "Micro$oft $ux" and back it up by comparing windows performance wise to the other major operating systems then he'd have a hard time suing.



Deciding between whats slanderous and whats just insulting (nothing wrong with being insulting, in a legal sense) gets tricky when talking of ideals, religions, politics etc. rather than individuals.





ah hell i've totally forgotten where i'm going with this. i'm just going to hit submit.

[cerebral_teaser]

what harm is it causing them if he painted Sita in the nude? they respect her, thats fine, but Sita s value in the in the indian eyes would nt be degraded by this work of his. would it? sasme thing with Lajja or satanic verses, Islam is a great religion and just that rushdie has different views about it does nt mean that he has to be beheaded.
forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

Hey kings.... lets say will u allow you sister to be pose nude for us.[Dear sis, I honour your dignity , but want to make point to your _ bro] Im sure u respect here and jus because she poses nude, her values wont detoriate. Am I puttin rite dude?



Listen pal, respect is perception and is relative to image what u carry.

Im a Hindu and frankly have very lil knowledge about Islam, Jew,or anyother race. What will be potrait about Islam or any other religion will become base for my perception. and the same image im gonna carry.



Same way , if the _ bastard potraits Seeta in nude, her values may not degenerate , but have u ever thought how she will be perceieved by rest of weaseles... Yea rite, u may not CARE ... But we Do.



Talking about censorship ...whatz wrong with that .

Censorship is not restricting to read, view , watch or ur thinking process.

but tell me , r u comfortable watching - panty flaunting "Kanta Laaga "girl with 6-8 yr old niece /daughter , r u comfortable watching

a grossl y done rape scence with 8-9 yr son or nephew .



R u ready to buy porn for ur teenager kids as their birthday present [ If NO then , who are u to say that there should not be blue penciling ..... or whatever term u want to use. ]

[cerebral_teaser]

what harm is it causing them if he painted Sita in the nude? they respect her, thats fine, but Sita s value in the in the indian eyes would nt be degraded by this work of his. would it? sasme thing with Lajja or satanic verses, Islam is a great religion and just that rushdie has different views about it does nt mean that he has to be beheaded.
forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

Hey kings.... lets say will u allow you sister to be pose nude for us.[Dear sis, I honour your dignity , but want to make point to your _ bro] Im sure u respect here and jus because she poses nude, her values wont detoriate. Am I puttin rite dude?



Listen pal, respect is perception and is relative to image what u carry.

Im a Hindu and frankly have very lil knowledge about Islam, Jew,or anyother race. What will be potrait about Islam or any other religion will become base for my perception. and the same image im gonna carry.



Same way , if the _ bastard potraits Seeta in nude, her values may not degenerate , but have u ever thought how she will be perceieved by rest of weaseles... Yea rite, u may not CARE ... But we Do.



Talking about censorship ...whatz wrong with that .

Censorship is not restricting to read, view , watch or ur thinking process.

but tell me , r u comfortable watching - panty flaunting "Kanta Laaga "girl with 6-8 yr old niece /daughter , r u comfortable watching

a grossl y done rape scence with 8-9 yr son or nephew .



R u ready to buy porn for ur teenager kids as their birthday present [ If NO then , who are u to say that there should not be blue penciling ..... or whatever term u want to use. ]

[lizard king]

what harm is it causing them if he painted Sita in the nude? they respect her, thats fine, but Sita s value in the in the indian eyes would nt be degraded by this work of his. would it? sasme thing with Lajja or satanic verses, Islam is a great religion and just that rushdie has different views about it does nt mean that he has to be beheaded.
forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

Hey kings.... lets say will u allow you sister to be pose nude for us.[Dear sis, I honour your dignity , but want to make point to your _ bro] Im sure u respect here and jus because she poses nude, her values wont detoriate. Am I puttin rite dude?

Listen pal, respect is perception and is relative to image what u carry.
Im a Hindu and frankly have very lil knowledge about Islam, Jew,or anyother race. What will be potrait about Islam or any other religion will become base for my perception. and the same image im gonna carry.

Same way , if the _ bastard potraits Seeta in nude, her values may not degenerate , but have u ever thought how she will be perceieved by rest of weaseles... Yea rite, u may not CARE ... But we Do.

Talking about censorship ...whatz wrong with that .
Censorship is not restricting to read, view , watch or ur thinking process.
but tell me , r u comfortable watching - panty flaunting "Kanta Laaga "girl with 6-8 yr old niece /daughter , r u comfortable watching
a grossl y done rape scence with 8-9 yr son or nephew .

R u ready to buy porn for ur teenager kids as their birthday present [ If NO then , who are u to say that there should not be blue penciling ..... or whatever term u want to use. ]

hey champ, about getting a living person to pose nude, i think its more of a personal choice, be it my sister, or yours. but if some one were to sketch an individual in nude or give it a living name, it is the invasion of personal space, and as Mark as mentioned in his post would lead to legal proceedings.



coming to Sita... just cos a muslim guy painted it, it is blashpemy, how about all the erotic description of Parvati in kumara smabhavam, how about the "unrespectful" (if thats how u d like to call it) potrayal of her and laxmi in her various other avataars in the temples all around india?

Why did nt the fundamntal hindus do what the taleban did with the Bamian buddhas?

why did nt they ban the works of Kalidas and Srinath, and many others who followed in line? Well, definitely, i accept the fact that u are a Hindu, I was brought up a hindu too, but i it depends on how wise or how foolish u are to cut a line across between religious beliefs and fanaticism.

I dont mean to support Hussain here, even i accept the fact that he is an _ in the form of a great artist, but its the art i am talking about here, dont even know what his intentions were.



and about coming to watching panty-pulling clips on TV, why shopuld u be ashamed to watching somethign infornt of someone, young or old, if u are not ashamed of watching it by yourself? what do u call it?



there is a right age, and in the process of development, everythign is understood, it has nothing to do with censorship here., have u ever heard of someone aking u not to eat more than what u can digest? its a simple case of this here. asking a 8 year old kid to watch someone pulling a chik s panty... he/she would nt even understand whats happening, the main reason u would not want them to watch is cos u want to avoid the consequential questions that may follow.

about getting porn for a teenage son/daughter., independent of u getting it for them, 9.8 out of 10 teenagers do watch porn at one time or the other man. where have all the morals of the society gone now? and the thing is everyone wants to explore whats in the locked box, why dont we just unlock it that we dont really have to go to illegal means to actually let everyone know whats inside?

[lizard king]

what harm is it causing them if he painted Sita in the nude? they respect her, thats fine, but Sita s value in the in the indian eyes would nt be degraded by this work of his. would it? sasme thing with Lajja or satanic verses, Islam is a great religion and just that rushdie has different views about it does nt mean that he has to be beheaded.
forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

Hey kings.... lets say will u allow you sister to be pose nude for us.[Dear sis, I honour your dignity , but want to make point to your _ bro] Im sure u respect here and jus because she poses nude, her values wont detoriate. Am I puttin rite dude?

Listen pal, respect is perception and is relative to image what u carry.
Im a Hindu and frankly have very lil knowledge about Islam, Jew,or anyother race. What will be potrait about Islam or any other religion will become base for my perception. and the same image im gonna carry.

Same way , if the _ bastard potraits Seeta in nude, her values may not degenerate , but have u ever thought how she will be perceieved by rest of weaseles... Yea rite, u may not CARE ... But we Do.

Talking about censorship ...whatz wrong with that .
Censorship is not restricting to read, view , watch or ur thinking process.
but tell me , r u comfortable watching - panty flaunting "Kanta Laaga "girl with 6-8 yr old niece /daughter , r u comfortable watching
a grossl y done rape scence with 8-9 yr son or nephew .

R u ready to buy porn for ur teenager kids as their birthday present [ If NO then , who are u to say that there should not be blue penciling ..... or whatever term u want to use. ]

hey champ, about getting a living person to pose nude, i think its more of a personal choice, be it my sister, or yours. but if some one were to sketch an individual in nude or give it a living name, it is the invasion of personal space, and as Mark as mentioned in his post would lead to legal proceedings.



coming to Sita... just cos a muslim guy painted it, it is blashpemy, how about all the erotic description of Parvati in kumara smabhavam, how about the "unrespectful" (if thats how u d like to call it) potrayal of her and laxmi in her various other avataars in the temples all around india?

Why did nt the fundamntal hindus do what the taleban did with the Bamian buddhas?

why did nt they ban the works of Kalidas and Srinath, and many others who followed in line? Well, definitely, i accept the fact that u are a Hindu, I was brought up a hindu too, but i it depends on how wise or how foolish u are to cut a line across between religious beliefs and fanaticism.

I dont mean to support Hussain here, even i accept the fact that he is an _ in the form of a great artist, but its the art i am talking about here, dont even know what his intentions were.



and about coming to watching panty-pulling clips on TV, why shopuld u be ashamed to watching somethign infornt of someone, young or old, if u are not ashamed of watching it by yourself? what do u call it?



there is a right age, and in the process of development, everythign is understood, it has nothing to do with censorship here., have u ever heard of someone aking u not to eat more than what u can digest? its a simple case of this here. asking a 8 year old kid to watch someone pulling a chik s panty... he/she would nt even understand whats happening, the main reason u would not want them to watch is cos u want to avoid the consequential questions that may follow.

about getting porn for a teenage son/daughter., independent of u getting it for them, 9.8 out of 10 teenagers do watch porn at one time or the other man. where have all the morals of the society gone now? and the thing is everyone wants to explore whats in the locked box, why dont we just unlock it that we dont really have to go to illegal means to actually let everyone know whats inside?

[lizard king]

what harm is it causing them if he painted Sita in the nude? they respect her, thats fine, but Sita s value in the in the indian eyes would nt be degraded by this work of his. would it? sasme thing with Lajja or satanic verses, Islam is a great religion and just that rushdie has different views about it does nt mean that he has to be beheaded.
forget all that, lets talk about what happened on the boards like a week ago.

Hey kings.... lets say will u allow you sister to be pose nude for us.[Dear sis, I honour your dignity , but want to make point to your _ bro] Im sure u respect here and jus because she poses nude, her values wont detoriate. Am I puttin rite dude?

Listen pal, respect is perception and is relative to image what u carry.
Im a Hindu and frankly have very lil knowledge about Islam, Jew,or anyother race. What will be potrait about Islam or any other religion will become base for my perception. and the same image im gonna carry.

Same way , if the _ bastard potraits Seeta in nude, her values may not degenerate , but have u ever thought how she will be perceieved by rest of weaseles... Yea rite, u may not CARE ... But we Do.

Talking about censorship ...whatz wrong with that .
Censorship is not restricting to read, view , watch or ur thinking process.
but tell me , r u comfortable watching - panty flaunting "Kanta Laaga "girl with 6-8 yr old niece /daughter , r u comfortable watching
a grossl y done rape scence with 8-9 yr son or nephew .

R u ready to buy porn for ur teenager kids as their birthday present [ If NO then , who are u to say that there should not be blue penciling ..... or whatever term u want to use. ]

hey champ, about getting a living person to pose nude, i think its more of a personal choice, be it my sister, or yours. but if some one were to sketch an individual in nude or give it a living name, it is the invasion of personal space, and as Mark as mentioned in his post would lead to legal proceedings.



coming to Sita... just cos a muslim guy painted it, it is blashpemy, how about all the erotic description of Parvati in kumara smabhavam, how about the "unrespectful" (if thats how u d like to call it) potrayal of her and laxmi in her various other avataars in the temples all around india?

Why did nt the fundamntal hindus do what the taleban did with the Bamian buddhas?

why did nt they ban the works of Kalidas and Srinath, and many others who followed in line? Well, definitely, i accept the fact that u are a Hindu, I was brought up a hindu too, but i it depends on how wise or how foolish u are to cut a line across between religious beliefs and fanaticism.

I dont mean to support Hussain here, even i accept the fact that he is an _ in the form of a great artist, but its the art i am talking about here, dont even know what his intentions were.



and about coming to watching panty-pulling clips on TV, why shopuld u be ashamed to watching somethign infornt of someone, young or old, if u are not ashamed of watching it by yourself? what do u call it?



there is a right age, and in the process of development, everythign is understood, it has nothing to do with censorship here., have u ever heard of someone aking u not to eat more than what u can digest? its a simple case of this here. asking a 8 year old kid to watch someone pulling a chik s panty... he/she would nt even understand whats happening, the main reason u would not want them to watch is cos u want to avoid the consequential questions that may follow.

about getting porn for a teenage son/daughter., independent of u getting it for them, 9.8 out of 10 teenagers do watch porn at one time or the other man. where have all the morals of the society gone now? and the thing is everyone wants to explore whats in the locked box, why dont we just unlock it that we dont really have to go to illegal means to actually let everyone know whats inside?

[CtrlAltDel]

good points Lizard!



invoking references to "sister", "daughter" etc is just a rhetorical playing-to-the-gallery kinda jingoism....suitable to address a mob of excitable semi literates...



as Lizard pointed out many hesitate to watch with kids, even a kiss on TV bcoz, we wud be embarrassed by their questions....dont underestimate kids..they know more than what we think they do...