Conversion attempts in the time of grief

[CtrlAltDel]

Whats wrong with that, tell me how does it matter to you, if some one whom you dont know ,whom you dont want to help, practises religion the way you practise it or not,<b>really what is your concern here?</b>

did i ever say its my concern what religion ppl practice? in fact its the evangelists who are concerned abt it and see all frm the point of view of religion.

are you trying to be one of those fundamentalists who want their clan size to be large,what would you do with a larger group,what matters after all is humanity not religion.

thats exactly what i ask the evangelist fundoos...i am not trying to convert others...they are. why are they concerned abt religion of the victims...if they are really unselfish and very concerned about humanity, they shud help others unconditionally.

Why is it that you are pumped up about religion and everything has to be viewed from a religious point of view, I am not pro or anti any religion I am not a religious person at all, but it makes me sad that people still make it an issue even in times of a calamity..

isnt that exactly what i am trying to say?

[Xeno]

isnt that exactly what i am trying to say?

No you are trying to say something exactly opposite to it ,if you were to say that you wouldnt have started the thread in first place...

[DQ]

isnt that exactly what i am trying to say?

No you are trying to say something exactly opposite to it ,if you were to say that you wouldnt have started the thread in first place...

Sorry to pitch in your argument.



So XENO by this you agree that the evangilists are exploiting the situation, by being selective in charity.



THis is how the world views it. "Our food and Money is is with you if you are with us, else go to hell, your plight is your plight let who ever is interested help you ?"



Do you agree?

[CtrlAltDel]

isnt that exactly what i am trying to say?

No you are trying to say something exactly opposite to it ,if you were to say that you wouldnt have started the thread in first place...

Sorry to pitch in your argument.

So XENO by this you agree that the evangilists are exploiting the situation, by being selective in charity.

THis is how the world views it. "Our food and Money is is with you if you are with us, else go to hell, your plight is your plight let who ever is interested help you ?"

Do you agree?

thanX DQ!



Xeno, the article i posted is a fact that is happening. why shud i not post it? i didnt fabricate anything. it exposes something wrong that is going on. shud it be brushed under the carpet?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Thakur...gaadi nikaalo....boards pe naya Xeno aaya hai.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Sorry for the spam here....but Xeno....you deserved something else. I'll take this up on another board when I have some time. Till then...CYA





P.S. : CYA - Cover Your Ass

[The Jackal]

Well Xeno seems to spite everyone on the boards.

[Xeno]

Xeno, the article i posted is a fact that is happening. why shud i not post
it? i didnt fabricate anything. it exposes something wrong that is going on.
shud it be brushed under the carpet?

I do agree it might be happening ,but let me give you an analogy it might

seem funny but thats the only way I can make a point..



Suppose you share a belief that you have to wear blue shirts only, an there

is a whole bunch of people who share your belief and wear only blue shirts

,all of a sudden guys wearing blue shirts are struck by Tsunami, now there

is a group of people wearing red shirts they say they want to help people

but their only condition is that the people they are helping should remove

their blue shirts and start wearing red shirts, some pople do so and get the

desperately needed help..



Now people like who wear blue shirts who dont care about the pople who are

dying ,who are like a 1000 mile away from them,say that theys hould not

remove their blue shirts but die of hunger and disease, tell me how does it

help you if they wear red or blue shirt, all it shows it you are not

concerned about the people but the blue shirts,now replace blue and red with

the religions of your choice CAD,Morphues etc...



Now some of you will ask the obvious queston why do the read shirt wearing

people want other people to wear the same red shirt,the thing is probably

they are bound by their duty ,may be thats the only way they can afford to

help people ,thats the only way they could generate the funds,so if you

dont care abotu any religion why are you concerned about people changing

religion,the bottom line is peole are getting help, I cant stress enough but

look beyond the religion,whya re you concerned about the size of the blue

shirt wearing group!!!!!they will remain the same humans even if they wear

the red shirts,hope this helps...

[Xeno]

Sorry for the spam here....but Xeno....you deserved something else. I'll take this up on another board when I have some time. Till then...CYA


P.S. : CYA - Cover Your Ass

Oh ,that makes me so scared,please dont do that please ,please dont take me up on another board ,what a scary threat...

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Xeno, the article i posted is a fact that is happening. why shud i not post
it? i didnt fabricate anything. it exposes something wrong that is going on.
shud it be brushed under the carpet?

I do agree it might be happening ,but let me give you an analogy it might
seem funny but thats the only way I can make a point..

Suppose you share a belief that you have to wear blue shirts only, an there
is a whole bunch of people who share your belief and wear only blue shirts
,all of a sudden guys wearing blue shirts are struck by Tsunami, now there
is a group of people wearing red shirts they say they want to help people
but their only condition is that the people they are helping should remove
their blue shirts and start wearing red shirts, some pople do so and get the
desperately needed help..

Now people like who wear blue shirts who dont care about the pople who are
dying ,who are like a 1000 mile away from them,say that theys hould not
remove their blue shirts but die of hunger and disease, tell me how does it
help you if they wear red or blue shirt, all it shows it you are not
concerned about the people but the blue shirts,now replace blue and red with
the religions of your choice CAD,Morphues etc...

Now some of you will ask the obvious queston why do the read shirt wearing
people want other people to wear the same red shirt,the thing is probably
they are bound by their duty ,may be thats the only way they can afford to
help people ,thats the only way they could generate the funds,so if you
dont care abotu any religion why are you concerned about people changing
religion,the bottom line is peole are getting help, I cant stress enough but
look beyond the religion,whya re you concerned about the size of the blue
shirt wearing group!!!!!they will remain the same humans even if they wear
the red shirts,hope this helps...

You could look at the corollary of your story to get the side we're trying to project.



Why does it matter to the wearers of the red shirts whether the ones getting help from them are wearing blue or red? If their aim is to help people..and IMO, no religion has ever created any boundaries on whom to help and whom not to...they should bother least about what religion the beneficiaries of their help follow.



The point of discontent here is that religion was being made a rider for providing help to victims of a natural calamity. Was nature discriminatory in causing damage? Forget nature, can you tell me the amount of damage done to hindus or muslims or christians? I don't understand the logic behind people having to convert in order to get some help after having lost everything they had.



And we're not sitting 1000 miles away sermonising that they should not convert etc. We've all done our bit. And we've all grieved (an emotion which seems to be absent from the middlemen of God who are looking at shirt colours before providing help).



Now, if this doesn't make sense to you, I can suggest you some places where you can buy bigger brains (and without having to convert).

[lizard king]

Xeno, the article i posted is a fact that is happening. why shud i not post
it? i didnt fabricate anything. it exposes something wrong that is going on.
shud it be brushed under the carpet?

I do agree it might be happening ,but let me give you an analogy it might
seem funny but thats the only way I can make a point..

Suppose you share a belief that you have to wear blue shirts only, an there
is a whole bunch of people who share your belief and wear only blue shirts
,all of a sudden guys wearing blue shirts are struck by Tsunami, now there
is a group of people wearing red shirts they say they want to help people
but their only condition is that the people they are helping should remove
their blue shirts and start wearing red shirts, some pople do so and get the
desperately needed help..

Now people like who wear blue shirts who dont care about the pople who are
dying ,who are like a 1000 mile away from them,say that theys hould not
remove their blue shirts but die of hunger and disease, tell me how does it
help you if they wear red or blue shirt, all it shows it you are not
concerned about the people but the blue shirts,now replace blue and red with
the religions of your choice CAD,Morphues etc...

Now some of you will ask the obvious queston why do the read shirt wearing
people want other people to wear the same red shirt,the thing is probably
they are bound by their duty ,may be thats the only way they can afford to
help people ,thats the only way they could generate the funds,so if you
dont care abotu any religion why are you concerned about people changing
religion,the bottom line is peole are getting help, I cant stress enough but
look beyond the religion,whya re you concerned about the size of the blue
shirt wearing group!!!!!they will remain the same humans even if they wear
the red shirts,hope this helps...

Xeno, i like ur analogous attittude, u are funny.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Xeno, the article i posted is a fact that is happening. why shud i not post
it? i didnt fabricate anything. it exposes something wrong that is going on.
shud it be brushed under the carpet?

I do agree it might be happening ,but let me give you an analogy it might
seem funny but thats the only way I can make a point..

Suppose you share a belief that you have to wear blue shirts only, an there
is a whole bunch of people who share your belief and wear only blue shirts
,all of a sudden guys wearing blue shirts are struck by Tsunami, now there
is a group of people wearing red shirts they say they want to help people
but their only condition is that the people they are helping should remove
their blue shirts and start wearing red shirts, some pople do so and get the
desperately needed help..

Now people like who wear blue shirts who dont care about the pople who are
dying ,who are like a 1000 mile away from them,say that theys hould not
remove their blue shirts but die of hunger and disease, tell me how does it
help you if they wear red or blue shirt, all it shows it you are not
concerned about the people but the blue shirts,now replace blue and red with
the religions of your choice CAD,Morphues etc...

Now some of you will ask the obvious queston why do the read shirt wearing
people want other people to wear the same red shirt,the thing is probably
they are bound by their duty ,may be thats the only way they can afford to
help people ,thats the only way they could generate the funds,so if you
dont care abotu any religion why are you concerned about people changing
religion,the bottom line is peole are getting help, I cant stress enough but
look beyond the religion,whya re you concerned about the size of the blue
shirt wearing group!!!!!they will remain the same humans even if they wear
the red shirts,hope this helps...

Xeno, i like ur analogous attittude, u are funny.

You qualify for Xeno's help now that you've converted.

[Xeno]

You qualify for Xeno's help now that you've converted.

HP getting tempted here ...

[lizard king]

Xeno, the article i posted is a fact that is happening. why shud i not post
it? i didnt fabricate anything. it exposes something wrong that is going on.
shud it be brushed under the carpet?

I do agree it might be happening ,but let me give you an analogy it might
seem funny but thats the only way I can make a point..

Suppose you share a belief that you have to wear blue shirts only, an there
is a whole bunch of people who share your belief and wear only blue shirts
,all of a sudden guys wearing blue shirts are struck by Tsunami, now there
is a group of people wearing red shirts they say they want to help people
but their only condition is that the people they are helping should remove
their blue shirts and start wearing red shirts, some pople do so and get the
desperately needed help..

Now people like who wear blue shirts who dont care about the pople who are
dying ,who are like a 1000 mile away from them,say that theys hould not
remove their blue shirts but die of hunger and disease, tell me how does it
help you if they wear red or blue shirt, all it shows it you are not
concerned about the people but the blue shirts,now replace blue and red with
the religions of your choice CAD,Morphues etc...

Now some of you will ask the obvious queston why do the read shirt wearing
people want other people to wear the same red shirt,the thing is probably
they are bound by their duty ,may be thats the only way they can afford to
help people ,thats the only way they could generate the funds,so if you
dont care abotu any religion why are you concerned about people changing
religion,the bottom line is peole are getting help, I cant stress enough but
look beyond the religion,whya re you concerned about the size of the blue
shirt wearing group!!!!!they will remain the same humans even if they wear
the red shirts,hope this helps...

Xeno, i like ur analogous attittude, u are funny.

You qualify for Xeno's help now that you've converted.

i guess i have already started thinking in his extra terrestrial terms

[Habitual Perfectionist]

You qualify for Xeno's help now that you've converted.

HP getting tempted here ...

Temptation is the mother of all vices...and vices are my bedmates...doesn't it make temptation my mother-in-law?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

You qualify for Xeno's help now that you've converted.

HP getting tempted here ...

Temptation is the mother of all vices...and vices are my bedmates...doesn't it make temptation my mother-in-law?

[Xeno]

Temptation is the mother of all vices...and vices are my bedmates...doesn't it make temptation my mother-in-law?

Oh I wasnt aware that was your mother in law..

[CtrlAltDel]

seriously, dont u see that u r behaving in exactly the same way u accuse me of being...

Suppose you share a belief that you have to wear blue shirts only, an there is a whole bunch of people who share your belief and wear only blue shirts ,all of a sudden guys wearing blue shirts are struck by Tsunami, now there is a group of people wearing red shirts they say they want to help people but their only condition is that the people they are helping should remove their blue shirts and start wearing red shirts, some pople do so and get the desperately needed help..

what do u call that attitude, the one i've marked in bold)...?

and u accuse me of seeing every thing in religious terms...

how does it help you if they wear red or blue shirt, all it shows it you are not concerned about the people but the blue shirts,now replace blue and red with the religions of your choice CAD,Morphues etc...

how does it help you if they wear red or blue shirt, all it shows it you are not concerned about the people but the red shirts,now replace blue and red with the religions of your choice Xeno...

sounds familiar? thats coz i have quoted u exactly, with just a red replacing a blue and yr name instead of ours

why do the read shirt wearing people want other people to wear the same red shirt,the thing is probably they are bound by their duty ,may be thats the only way they can afford to help people ,thats the only way they could generate the funds,

doesnt that mark the red shirts as religious fundoo hypocytes who dont have any concern for humanity other than increasing their flock?

so if you dont care abotu any religion why are you concerned about people changing
religion,the bottom line is peole are getting help,

dont contradict yrself! the blue shirts are not getting help from the red shirts

I cant stress enough but look beyond the religion

this is rich!

they will remain the same humans even if they wear the red shirts,hope this helps...

first i hope that helps the red shirts in seeing it the same way



u seriously need to preview and read what u r conveying Xeno!



"Red shirts" being concerned abt their shirt color is absolutely ok, but attitude same frm blue shirts is fundamentalism,....!!!!

[ilayaraja_fan]

reminds me of a sumathi padyam that I had learnt in my childhood



cheri moorkhula manasu ranjimpa raadu!

[Xeno]

"Red shirts" being concerned abt their shirt color is absolutely ok, but attitude same frm blue shirts ,....!!!!

Whats concern of blue shirts ,getting desperately needed help or loosing their shirt color ...

[akhilis2cool]

"Red shirts" being concerned abt their shirt color is absolutely ok, but attitude same frm blue shirts ,....!!!!

Whats concern of blue shirts ,getting desperately needed help or loosing their shirt color ...

shirt colour... is that what religion means to u?

[CtrlAltDel]

"Red shirts" being concerned abt their shirt color is absolutely ok, but attitude same frm blue shirts ,....!!!!

Whats concern of blue shirts ,getting desperately needed help or loosing their shirt color ...

so the red shirts are taking advantage of the desparation of blue shirts in order to further their own selfish objectives....?:?



...and u r justifying it?

[Xeno]

so the red shirts are taking advantage of the desparation of blue shirts in order to further their own selfish objectives....?:?

...and u r justifying it?

Look as I said earlier I am not anti or pro any belief(shirt color ) ,but only thing I am try to do is t o figure out whats the concern of specifically those blue shirts who are not affected by the disaster who are like thousands of miles away from the blue shirts affected by the calamity ,who come up with threads liek this one ,knowing that the other blue shirts are getting help by changing their shirt color,they want thme to be blue no matter what is that what you are trying to say here....

[akhilis2cool]

so the red shirts are taking advantage of the desparation of blue shirts in order to further their own selfish objectives....?:?

...and u r justifying it?

Look as I said earlier I am not anti or pro any belief(shirt color ) ,but only thing I am try to do is t o figure out whats the concern of specifically those blue shirts who are not affected by the disaster who are like thousands of miles away from the blue shirts affected by the calamity ,who come up with threads liek this one ,knowing that the other blue shirts are getting help by changing their shirt color,they want thme to be blue no matter what is that what you are trying to say here....

There are several other ppl. offering help without asking the victims to change shirt colours

why the f*** are the guys in red asking poor victims to change there shirt color (religion)

cant u see they r making misuse of the opportunity to help ppl.?

cant u see they are giving more imp. to religion than ppl.?

if u urself are not in favor of ne religion how can u say that the guys in red are right in asking the victims to change there shirts?

arent they supposed to respect the religiuos beliefs of the victims (who might give more imp. to religion than u do?)

[CtrlAltDel]

f*ck the shirt colors......i'll be direct now....

whats the concern of specifically those blue shirts who are not affected by the disaster who are like thousands of miles away from the blue shirts affected by the calamity ,who come up with threads liek this one ,knowing that the other blue shirts are getting help by changing their shirt color,they want thme to be blue no matter what is that what you are trying to say here....

whats does it show about the evangelists who enter a disaster affected area and proclaim that they wud rescue ppl only if they convert to their sect....??????

those inhuman _ are not helping ppl who refuse to convert...didnt this fact occur to u...?

...and its not that all are waiting there waiting to be converted and saved...like in the story, many of those affected have read thru their intentions and refused to convert.

the ppl in the disaster affected areas are mentally disturbed and depressed. brainwashing them into converting is very easy and this is what the evangelists are taking advantage of.

no one asked for their help. the indian govt and truely secular NGO's are handling things very well. and the indian govt does not help ppl selectively based on their religion.



FYI, local muslims in that area unconditonally helped hindus and gave them shelter in mosques...THAT IS CALLED TRUE HUMANITY. they did not ask those people to convert to islam first...and in the process gained gratitude, respect and love of everyone.....incl the Hindu lunatic fringe.



are the evangelists even a patch on these people...? no. they are only concerned about converting people and selling their ideas...the welfare of the people be damned.



they are just unwanted pests...like rats that come out after a flood in order to feed on the remains.



...and about me staying 1000s of miles away and being concerned about it...its perfectly justified. some people are being brainwashed or blackmailed and u expect all to keep watching and say "its ok...they get saved wont they?"