Need for STRINGENT Dowry laws and Protection of Womens Right

[DQ]

Lets start again with the Indian Constitution which pledges



"to secure to all the people .

justice, social,economic and political;

equality of status, opportunity and before the law;

freedom of thought, expression, belief, faith, worship, vocation, association and action, subject to law and public morality."



The Constitution is firmly grounded in the principles of liberty, fraternity, equality and justice. It emphasises the importance of greater freedoms for all and contains a number of provisions for the empowerment of women. Women's right to equality and non-discrimination are defined as justiciable fundamental rights.



The need for specific laws focussed to protect Womens rights can be seen from these Statistics.



Men outnumber women in India, unlike in most other countries where the reverse is the case. In 1991, there were only 927 women for every 1000 men. The reason for this imbalance is that many women die before reaching adulthood.



The majority of women go through life in a state of nutritional stress they are anaemic and malnourished. Girls and women face nutritional discrimination within the family, eating last and least.



Women work longer hours than men, and carry the major share of household and community work, which is unpaid and invisible.



Women generally earn a far lower wage than men doing the same work.



Women face violence inside and outside the family throughout their lives.
Police records show that a woman is molested in the country every 26
minutes. A rape occurs every 34 minutes. Every 42 minutes, an incident
of sexual harassment takes place. Every 43 minutes, a woman is
kidnapped. Every 93 minutes, a woman is killed.



(To add to these, every second a women is pyschologically tormented,

every minute a women is emotionally disturbed. Every 2 minutes a women is reassured that she has no right to freedom. She has to lead a bonded life from father, to brother, to husband, to Son.)



Hence specific laws are needed to uplift and free the women of the above.



Some men are against the law as they see their traditional right of chauvinism and abuse being eroded by these laws.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Lets start again with the Indian Constitution which pledges

"to secure to all the people .
justice, social,economic and political;
equality of status, opportunity and before the law;
freedom of thought, expression, belief, faith, worship, vocation, association and action, subject to law and public morality."

The Constitution is firmly grounded in the principles of liberty, fraternity, equality and justice. It emphasises the importance of greater freedoms for all and contains a number of provisions for the empowerment of women. Women's right to equality and non-discrimination are defined as justiciable fundamental rights.

The need for specific laws focussed to protect Womens rights can be seen from these Statistics.

Men outnumber women in India, unlike in most other countries where the reverse is the case. In 1991, there were only 927 women for every 1000 men. The reason for this imbalance is that many women die before reaching adulthood.

The majority of women go through life in a state of nutritional stress they are anaemic and malnourished. Girls and women face nutritional discrimination within the family, eating last and least.

Women work longer hours than men, and carry the major share of household and community work, which is unpaid and invisible.

Women generally earn a far lower wage than men doing the same work.

Women face violence inside and outside the family throughout their lives.
Police records show that a woman is molested in the country every 26
minutes. A rape occurs every 34 minutes. Every 42 minutes, an incident
of sexual harassment takes place. Every 43 minutes, a woman is
kidnapped. Every 93 minutes, a woman is killed.

(To add to these, every second a women is pyschologically tormented,
every minute a women is emotionally disturbed. Every 2 minutes a women is reassured that she has no right to freedom. She has to lead a bonded life from father, to brother, to husband, to Son.)

Hence specific laws are needed to uplift and free the women of the above.

Some men are against the law as they see their traditional right of chauvinism and abuse being eroded by these laws.

Where do you get these facts from?



Looking at your post, it might seem that the plight of women in India is really sad. But there's more to it than what you saw. If you look at proper demographic figures, you'll see that the majority of the crimes committed against women are committed in the lower strata of the socio-economic setup of India. So, its more of a problem of education and economics rather than against women as it appears at first sight.



Further, there are a lot of laws that protect women from these crimes. But the lack of awareness and the sloppy setup in the lower segment of the judiciary kills the effectiveness of the laws.



Inference : Whats needed is not more laws, but better education and awareness among lower classes and a more efficient and effective judicial system.

[DQ]

Inference : Whats needed is not more laws, but better education and awareness among lower classes and a more efficient and effective judicial system.

Your Inference shows your lack of even reading through the post.



Poll Question:



Do we need these stringent laws. Simple yes or no?



Next:



Status of women is bad in India, there is no two opinions on that.

Where do I get the facts from ?

http://www.un.org.in/IMAGES/kmsbk_1-22.pdf



(Now I know that you will come back and say UN is not credible etc etc...)



The report does not talk about classes, furthermore we cannot have laws for a class of people (LMAOF Talk about Inference LMAOF )

and for your info most of the dowry deaths occur in middle class and upper middle class families.

Most cases of sexual abuse occurs in the upper and elite class.



Physical abuse and curbing of freedom is rampant across all classes.



Finally why can't people get over CAST/CREED/CLASS, talking about womens rights and MR Perfect (LMAOF ) Comes up with class / sect / phoof......

[akhilis2cool]

I believe there are enuf STRINGENT laws in our country to protect women. where else can a women just walk into a police station and get a man arrested for abusing, beating, asking for dowry without showing ne proof?

Education abt. womens rites is the key here.

[DQ]

I believe there are enuf STRINGENT laws in our country to protect women. where else can a women just walk into a police station and get a man arrested for abusing, beating, asking for dowry without showing ne proof?
Education abt. womens rites is the key here.

The question is do we or don't we ?



Not what is existing and what needs to be added ?

[akhilis2cool]

I believe there are enuf STRINGENT laws in our country to protect women. where else can a women just walk into a police station and get a man arrested for abusing, beating, asking for dowry without showing ne proof?
Education abt. womens rites is the key here.

The question is do we or don't we ?

Not what is existing and what needs to be added ?

We dont b'coz we already have them

[DQ]

I believe there are enuf STRINGENT laws in our country to protect women. where else can a women just walk into a police station and get a man arrested for abusing, beating, asking for dowry without showing ne proof?
Education abt. womens rites is the key here.

The question is do we or don't we ?

Not what is existing and what needs to be added ?

We dont b'coz we already have them

So we do as they are existant !!!

[akhilis2cool]

I believe there are enuf STRINGENT laws in our country to protect women. where else can a women just walk into a police station and get a man arrested for abusing, beating, asking for dowry without showing ne proof?
Education abt. womens rites is the key here.

The question is do we or don't we ?

Not what is existing and what needs to be added ?

We dont b'coz we already have them

So we do as they are existant !!!

aah ok

[black wizard]

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Here is better Statistics:



A Human is Killed on Indian Roads in each 2.6 minutes.



A Human(male/female) is fabricated in false dowry case in each 4.4 minutes.



A woman is Teased in every 52 minutes



A Married man commits suicide in each 37 Minutes.



A woman is Kidnapped in every 43 minutes



A innocent human sent to prison in each 45 seconds.



A woman is Molested in every 26 minutes



A woman is Raped in every 54 minutes



A Woman Dies of dowry death in every 2 hours.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

In US, Feminists are jumping around since last 80 years. In the end, where the females are ? They are where they are. In spite of all the hallabaloo they have gone no where except Lesbianism and whorism. The same is the case in Europe.



They all are being given a device path. Following that women have turned to Lesbianism. Feminist in US are now the strongest proponents of Homosexual marriages.



There are an estimated 7000 dowry deaths in India.



Its the women who carry the genes of negativity, jealousy, treachery and backstabbing. Its the women who work against women. Take a survey in your own families and you will know the truth.



"Taming the shrew" was written 500 years back by a Great Man.





In the Fight between the Genders, there will not be any winners. There will only be losers.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

In US, Feminists are jumping around since last 80 years. In the end, where the females are ? They are where they are. In spite of all the hallabaloo they have gone no where except Lesbianism and whorism. The same is the case in Europe.



They all are being given a device path. Following that women have turned to Lesbianism. Feminist in US are now the strongest proponents of Homosexual marriages.



There are an estimated 7000 dowry deaths in India.



Its the women who carry the genes of negativity, jealousy, treachery and backstabbing. Its the women who work against women. Take a survey in your own families and you will know the truth.



"Taming the shrew" was written 500 years back by a Great Man.





In the Fight between the Genders, there will not be any winners. There will only be losers.

[anti-feminist]

DQ,



There is a saying:



Love your enemy, and use his strengths against him.



Thats, what we Anti-Feminists are up to. We study and model the thinking process of the Feminists. We find the cracks in their massive forts. But, we are well motivated because we fight with inner belief that Feminists have done no good to anybody.





Its the few British Boats verses Spanish Armada



Please search in GOOGLE



for dowry laws





Then, U will understand how successful we are.



In Andhra, the dowry laws are Non-Bailable and but Compoudable.



Govt. of India is following Hyderabad's example and is making the Dowry laws Compoudable.



With a little bit of warfare from ourside, the dowry laws will become Bailable as well (it was already recommended by Justice Malimath as a part of Legal reforms).



So DQ, you are just losing ground. The Govt. are just relaxing the laws instead of making them more stringent.



DQ, I need to educate you a bit about how to work strategically.

Please go to "www.indiatogether.org" to get more funda on how to help feminists.



Even there, India's No.1 Feminist (editor of Magazine Manushi) writes.....



http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/is ... mestic.htm



.........

During the preliminary investigations carried out by MANUSHI, several lawyers provided us with instances of the police using the threat of arrest to extort a lot of money from the husband’s family. Likewise, people allege that the police threatened to oppose or delay granting of bail unless the accused family coughed up fairly hefty amounts as bribes. Others allege that many lawyers encourage complainants to exaggerate the amounts due to them as stridhan, assuring them that they would get them a hefty settlement from the husband, provided they got a certain percentage as commission for their services in coercing the husband’s family.



Many cases have come to our notice whereby the woman uses the strict provisions of 498A in the hope of enhancing her bargaining position vis a vis her husband and in-laws. Her lawyers often encourage her in the misguided belief that her husband would be so intimidated that he will be ready to concede all her demands. However, once a family has been sent to jail even for a day, they are so paranoid that they refuse to consider a reconciliation under any circumstances, pushing instead for divorce. Thus, many a woman ends up with a divorce she didn’t want and with weaker, rather than strengthened, terms of bargaining.



Several women’s organisations, with long years of experience in intervening in such cases, find to their dismay that their help was being sought in patently bogus cases. Several police officers also admit that a good number of cases are of dubious standing.



The cases in which these provisions have been exploited cover a large spectrum. In an instance brought to our notice by the Delhi based organisation, Shaktishalini, a young woman who happened to have married into a much wealthier family than her own, used the threat of 498A to pressure her husband into giving money to her brothers for investing in their business. In yet another case, a woman wanted a divorce because she was having an affair with a doctor from whom she was also pregnant. Yet, she sought a divorce alleging cruelty at the hands of her husband and charged him with being impotent - all so that she could coerce him into giving her a sum of money. Shaktishalini also mentioned a case they had to deal with in which a wife refused to consummate her marriage because she was involved in an incestuous relationship with her own father. Yet this father-daughter duo filed a case under 498A and demanded ten lakhs from the groom’s family as a pre-condition to uncontested divorce.



I personally know of instances where the main point of discord between the couple was that the wife wanted the husband to leave his parent's home or an old widowed mother and set up a nuclear family. Since the man resisted this move, the wife used 498A as a bargaining device, without success though. In one instance, the young wife being the only daughter of a wealthy businessman, wanted her husband to move in with her parents because his income allowed middle class comforts, not the luxuries she was used to. Since he did not succumb to the pressure of leaving his parents, she got both her father and mother in-law arrested and put in jail for several days under 498A, at a time when her husband had gone visiting his sister in the US. The man himself dared not return even to come and bail out his parents, before he got an anticipatory bail from the court. Needless to say, all these cases ended in divorce rather than in the wife getting her way.



.........

[misuse_your_brain]

In the Fight between the Genders, there will not be any winners. There will only be losers.

yeah.

Its the women who carry the genes of negativity, jealousy, treachery and backstabbing. Its the women who work against women. Take a survey in your own families and you will know the truth.

i usually don't like to make disparaging remarks online, but after studying you in your natural habitat for a few weeks, i've come to the conclusion that you are a dangerous idiot, who'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.



however i also like you as a person, and deeply respect your opinion. your knowledge of genetics is astounding, and your logic is deeply flawless.



I've decided not to insult your intellegence on your thread anymore. however, if it's ok with you (and DQ), i'd very much like to insult it here.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Your Inference shows your lack of even reading through the post.

Poll Question:

Do we need these stringent laws. Simple yes or no?

Inference : Whats needed is not more laws, but better education and awareness among lower classes and a more efficient and effective judicial system.

Your response shows your lack of comprehension. I think I answered your question there, didn't I?

Next:

Status of women is bad in India, there is no two opinions on that.

I presented mine. And I think the opinion was pretty much in line with the subject you were addressing here. I don't think I digressed anywhere.

Where do I get the facts from ?
http://www.un.org.in/IMAGES/kmsbk_1-22.pdf

(Now I know that you will come back and say UN is not credible etc etc...)

No. I won't say that. But do you think the UN researches data from all demographic cross sections of our population?

The report does not talk about classes, furthermore we cannot have laws for a class of people (LMAOF Talk about Inference LMAOF )
and for your info most of the dowry deaths occur in middle class and upper middle class families.

If you read my post (which I don't think you did), you would notice that I've said we have enough laws already. Never did I say that we need different laws for different classes. I just said that we need to educate the lower classes more.

Most cases of sexual abuse occurs in the upper and elite class.

Physical abuse and curbing of freedom is rampant across all classes.

Now your source doesn't have data based on classes. Where did you get this info from?

Finally why can't people get over CAST/CREED/CLASS, talking about womens rights and MR Perfect (LMAOF ) Comes up with class / sect / phoof......

When you know there is an evil in society, you cannot keep quiet about it and expect it to evaporate by itself. When we address an issue, we need to name it. And DQ...what I said was that we need to educate teh uneducated class. Nowhere did I talk about castes and creeds. When I said class, I used to therm lower strata of the socio-economic setup of India. Now I don't think this means caste/creed or anything like that remotely.



I request you to read others' posts carefully before accusing them of not doing the same.



And honestly, I'm slowly coming to the conslusion that you're just a wall of bricks. And however hard I....or for that matter anyone else....tries to explain you something logical, you just won't relent....rather....you just don't comprehend.

[DQ]

i usually don't like to make disparaging remarks online, but after studying you in your natural habitat for a few weeks, i've come to the conclusion that you are a dangerous idiot, who'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

I've decided not to insult your intellegence on your thread anymore. however, if it's ok with you (and DQ), i'd very much like to insult it here.

PLEASE DO MARKO. I HAD EARLIER QUESTIONED IF THIS GUY IS MISUSING HIS BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS IT SELF.....BUT THINGS DON'T CHANGE DO THEY?

[DQ]

First and foremost MR Misuse , if you want a healthy dialogue stop inundating threads with your essays.

Lets discuss point wise, if you want to just throw in you POV and blast threads with never ending essays please do so in (your habitat...he he good term Marko )

In US, Feminists are jumping around since last 80 years.

What do you mean by jumping around ?
Do you mean fighting for rights is jumping around ?

In the end, where the females are ? They are where they are.

Exactly ! Where will they go ? Mars or something?

In spite of all the hallabaloo they have gone no where except Lesbianism and whorism. The same is the case in Europe.

Lets not mix matters here,
1. Lesbianism - In broader terms is Homo Sexuality, existant in societies where feminist movement is not there. So blaming feminist activists for this is uncalled for.
2. Whorism - Sexual trade, a vice spread by men. If every man was faithful to his spouse, and aslo had the guts and ability to take up a spouse (marry) my friend why would this vice be existent at all ?

They all are being given a device path. Following that women have turned to Lesbianism. Feminist in US are now the strongest proponents of Homosexual marriages.

Your concurrence has been proved otherwise read above
There are an estimated 7000 dowry deaths in India.

Its the women who carry the genes of negativity, jealousy, treachery and backstabbing. Its the women who work against women. Take a survey in your own families and you will know the truth.

How do you substantiate this, do not give me examples of bollywood and hollywood.

And where is the Male quotient here?

The male plays no part is it, if your answer is no, such males in bollywood are termed (napunsak---look up the meaning)



Male atrocities.(Specifically targetting the Indian Society)

Birth:

- A boy is born a 10 course meal is served and the father pounds his chest in pride, the entire locality is lit up.

- A girl is born, matter is hushed up. The husband and wifes relation is strained. Elders intervene and encourage them to co habit praying for a boy the next time.



Dont you think its a sick logic and blatant discrimination even in birth.



More examples will continue......

[DQ]

Your Inference shows your lack of even reading through the post.

Poll Question:

Do we need these stringent laws. Simple yes or no?

Inference : Whats needed is not more laws, but better education and awareness among lower classes and a more efficient and effective judicial system.

Your response shows your lack of comprehension. I think I answered your question there, didn't I?

Next:

Status of women is bad in India, there is no two opinions on that.

I presented mine. And I think the opinion was pretty much in line with the subject you were addressing here. I don't think I digressed anywhere.

Where do I get the facts from ?
http://www.un.org.in/IMAGES/kmsbk_1-22.pdf

(Now I know that you will come back and say UN is not credible etc etc...)

No. I won't say that. But do you think the UN researches data from all demographic cross sections of our population?

The report does not talk about classes, furthermore we cannot have laws for a class of people (LMAOF Talk about Inference LMAOF )
and for your info most of the dowry deaths occur in middle class and upper middle class families.

If you read my post (which I don't think you did), you would notice that I've said we have enough laws already. Never did I say that we need different laws for different classes. I just said that we need to educate the lower classes more.

Most cases of sexual abuse occurs in the upper and elite class.

Physical abuse and curbing of freedom is rampant across all classes.

Now your source doesn't have data based on classes. Where did you get this info from?

Finally why can't people get over CAST/CREED/CLASS, talking about womens rights and MR Perfect (LMAOF ) Comes up with class / sect / phoof......

When you know there is an evil in society, you cannot keep quiet about it and expect it to evaporate by itself. When we address an issue, we need to name it. And DQ...what I said was that we need to educate teh uneducated class. Nowhere did I talk about castes and creeds. When I said class, I used to therm lower strata of the socio-economic setup of India. Now I don't think this means caste/creed or anything like that remotely.

I request you to read others' posts carefully before accusing them of not doing the same.

And honestly, I'm slowly coming to the conslusion that you're just a wall of bricks. And however hard I....or for that matter anyone else....tries to explain you something logical, you just won't relent....rather....you just don't comprehend.

My apologise here, you left the statements so open that all you could concur was "Lets stay aloof, these problems are for those lowly beings."



If you would have as clear as now ???

[Habitual Perfectionist]

My apologise here, you left the statements so open that all you could concur was "Lets stay aloof, these problems are for those lowly beings."

If you would have as clear as now ???

I don't think anyone else had any difficulty comprehending what I said there.

[DQ]

My apologise here, you left the statements so open that all you could concur was "Lets stay aloof, these problems are for those lowly beings."

If you would have as clear as now ???

I don't think anyone else had any difficulty comprehending what I said there.

Good on them.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

i usually don't like to make disparaging remarks online, but after studying you in your natural habitat for a few weeks, i've come to the conclusion that you are a dangerous idiot, who'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

I've decided not to insult your intellegence on your thread anymore. however, if it's ok with you (and DQ), i'd very much like to insult it here.

I hate people who praise me. I like the people who dare to insult me.




So far as Rolution is concerned, I know deep inside that every revolution takes place in a condition like Animal Farm. So, I always know the end outcome where the oppressed become oppressors.



As far as Women-Issues are concerned, it can not be tackled separating it from Men-Issues.



Of course, dowry is not certainly a Women Issue (because women are oppressors and also oppressed in case of dowry problem). Often, feminists talk about empowerment of women on one hand and on the other hand they urge men to control their greedy, jealous mothers and sisters.

Systems Theory Teaches that The Obvious Solutions to a Complex Problem give least Leverage.



The obvious solution to any of the so called "Women's Problems" is to do a random search from a satellite and lynch a few men (picked from a busy street) every day. Other ways can be to Castrate a few men (selected randomly from the street). Some other ways can be to kidnap men and forcible marriage and rape of men as it happens in Bihar.



There are too many assumptions in present approaches. We assume the police will act correctly. We assume the lawyers will act correctly. We assume the judges will act correctly. We assume the women organisations and women cells will act correctly. We assume the witnesses will remain truthful. So in the end, justice does not reach to the needy. So, when we champion for further stringent laws, we indirectly help the police and lawyers to get rich and nothing more (The infanticide keeps continuing or can even increase).

[misuse_dowry_laws]

You can never change your surroundings. You can only change yourself.





Here are my suggestions for solving some problems:



1) Govt. must pass labour legistlations to facilitate part time working. That will help women in getting independent. In case of any harassment, the women must walk out immediately and seek maintenance from the husband (if she is not educated or till she finds a decent job).



2) Dowry has to be tackled in a Proactive manner and not in Reactive Manner as goes on today. Punishing people after dowry is demanded or a women dies, just does not improve the situation. It may create a deterant, but that is not enough.



Why do we expect the women to come out in open ? We can have a special telephone number where people can call to notify that some dowry is getting transacted in marriage at so and so place.



3) Encourage people to name the families who take dowry to the anti-dowry cell. The identity of the person informing has to be kept a secret. Of course, action can be taken only after silent investigation. Large number of people get scot free taking dowry because the "woman lives happily ever after". They must be booked even if the women does not want to complain.



(now, I guess many of the members of this forum cringe, because I know, AP is famous for dowry and hence I guess they or their close relatives must be involved in offering and taking dowry.)





3) Make marriage registration compulsory. Dowry Prohibition Officers (non-police officials) at disctrict levels to check to see if dowry is involved in marriages (in any marriage). It is also their responsibility to see that the marriages are not expensive. Any wealth given to the women must be kept in the women's name.



Prevention is Better Than Cure.



4) Strict punishment for Corruption in NGOs (including women organisations). Because, we take it for granted that NGOs are sacrosanct. So, if fence starts eating the firm, you need to be tough on them.



Investigations by me show that many NGOs get a share pf Bribes that Police Takes from the Husband's family to dilute the cases.



5) Punishment for people filing false dowry cases to stop people from wasting tax payer's money.



6) Women must be educated by her parents not to demand a Car, demand a House and other facilities from husband (or his family) from time to time. In case, they demand then husband can move to the anti-dowry (rather anti-sowry) cell for redressal. The law has to be same both sides. If a women's parents threaten and make demands to the man, they must be booked in Sowry cases.





DOWRY: Daughter's Own Wealth Released to you.



SOWRY: Son-in-law's Own Wealth Released to you.





7) If husband takes the responsibility for protection and financing of his wife and kids, then the wife must take care of his parents.



8 ) If wife takes the responsibility for protection and financing of her husband and kids, then the husband must take care of her parents.



10) Individuality is to be encouraged officially. If a women does not want to stay with her in-laws, it has to be strictly permitted. But, in that case, the man must spend half of his non-work time with his parents (without the presence of his spying wife).



12) In case of Divorce with Mutual Consent, both the parents to get joint custody of the child.



Finally, establish anti-dowry and anti-sowry marriage bureaus. Have an internet site dedicted for this kind of match making.





Now, tell me I am not interested in Revolution.



I say again,



Prevention is Better than Cure.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Please find where American women are in spite of 80 years of Feminism. I can give a hell lot of examples. Here is a beautiful song written by a grateful child of a proud American single mother.



We are much better without these Feminists teaching their useless fundas. Otherwise, the situation in another 15 years will be towards same as in US with High School Shootings.



please go through the poetry of an American dedicated to his living mother.







"Cleanin Out My Closet"



Where's my snare, I have no snare in my headphones, there ya' go, yeah, yo', yo'...



Have you ever been hated or discriminated against, I have, i've been protested and demonstrated against, picket signs for my wicked rhymes, look at the times, sick is the mind of the _' kid that's behind, all this commotion, emotions run deep as ocean's explodin', tempers flaring from parents, just blow 'em off and keep goin', not takin' nothin' from no one, give 'em hell long as i'm breathin', keep kickin' ass in the mornin', an' takin' names in the evening, leave 'em with a taste as sour as vinegar in they mouth, see they can trigger me but they'll never figure me out, look at me now, I bet ya' probably sick of me now, ain't you mama, i'ma make you look so ridiculous now...



[CHORUS]



I'm sorry mama, I never meant to hurt you, I never meant to make you cry, but tonight i'm cleanin' out my closet, {one more time}, I said i'm sorry mama, I never meant to hurt you, I never meant to make you cry, but tonight i'm cleanin' out my closet...



I got some skeletons in my closet and I don't know if no one knows it, so before they thrown me inside my coffin and close it, i'ma expose it, i'll take you back to '73, before I ever had a multi-platinum sellin' Cd, I was a baby, maybe I was just a couple of months, my faggot father must have had his pantie's up in a bunch, cause he split, I wonder if he even kissed me goodbye, no I don't on second thought, I just _' wished he would die, I look at Hailie and I couldn't picture leavin' her side, even if I hated Kim, I grit my teeth and I'd try, to make it work with her at least for Hailie's sake, I maybe made some mistakes but i'm only human, but i'm man enough to face them today, what I did was stupid, no doubt it was dumb, but the smartest shit I did was take them bullets out of that gun, cause id'a killed 'em, shit I would have shot Kim and him both, it's my life, i'd like to welcome y'all to the Eminem show...



[CHORUS]



Now I would never diss my own mama just to get recognition, take a second to listen who you think this record is dissin', but put yourself in my position, just try to envision witnessin' your Mama poppin' prescription pills in the kitchen, bitchin' that someone's always goin' through her purse and shits missin', going through public housing systems, victim of
Munchausen's syndrome, my whole life I was made to believe I was sick when I wasn't 'til I grew up, now I blew up, it makes you sick to ya' stomach, doesn't it, wasn't it the reason you made that Cd for me, ma, so you could try to justify the way you treated me, ma, but guess what, your
gettin' older now and it's cold when your lonely, and Nathan's growing up so quick, he's gonna know that your phoney, and Hailie's getting so big now, you should see her, she's beautiful, but you'll never see her, she won't even be at your funeral, see what hurts me the most is you won't admit you was wrong, bitch, do your song, keep tellin' yourself that you was a mom, but how dare you try to take what you didn't help me to get, you selfish bitch, I hope you fu*kin' burn in hell for this shit, remember when Ronnie died and you said you wished it was me, well guess what, I am dead, dead to you as can be...[CHORUS]

[mark]

sorry, are you quoting a piece of american trailor trash to support your insane views on women MDL?



A question. I presume you have a mother, and a few grandmothers, maybe a couple of aunts, possibly a sister, maybe a daughter, a couple of nieces, a wife, SOME FEMALE RELATIONS OF SOME KIND!!!

Do they know what you think of their sex? do they support your view?







you have said "

Its the women who carry the genes of negativity, jealousy, treachery and backstabbing. Its the women who work against women. Take a survey in your own families and you will know the truth."



What the hell would your mother/wife/sister/daughter/aunt/niece/grandmother think if they read that? Do you realise what a stupid generalisation it is? You're obviously posting on this website as an extension of your work, as a consequence of this i would expect you to be ethical. stick to facts, rather than the obvious _ bullshit you have chosen to write above (you have many good points but there's so much cow muck surrounding them they are difficult to find.

Women make up 1/2 of this earths population, but 60% of the worlds poor.

1/2 of the worlds population, but only 1% of the Fortune 500 CEO's

Average salary for a woman and man doing the same job varies between countries, but i challange you to find a country where the average wage for a man is less than that of a woman. You won't.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Useless folks, you preach a lot.....



First straighten your own telugu people in your own bloody places and then preach others about stringent laws. First help to implement the existing laws, before trying to chew more. Finish eating what is there in the table first, before asking for more.



In AP (that too in Hyderabad), People are demanding dowry in papers and matrimonial sites. The guy and the CEO of the website which published dowry demand will get non-bailable warrents according to the present law. This guy in following link is demanding 3 lacs or above.



If I follow what happened to Baazee CEO and the IIT Guy in DPS case, the CEO of Telugu Matrimony certainly should be in deep trouble.

http://ser1.telugumatrimony.com/cgi-bin ... ID=T273188



Prevention is better than Cure.



See the present law:

http://www.indiavisitinformation.com/in ... -Act.shtml



DOWRY PROHIBITION ACT, 1961



1. Short title, extent and commencement



2. Definition of "dowry"



3. Penalty for giving or taking dowry



2[4. Penalty for demanding dowry



4[4A. Ban on advertisement



5. Agreement for giving or taking dowry to be void





The conclusion: Laws can not change societies. Laws can not bring social transformation. Awareness Can.



But creating awareness is painful, so we want to shriek the responsibility from our ownselves and delegate it to some Khakiwaalas or some Black_coats whom we want to empower with infinite powers and we rest in peace. That is callousness. Now, if Khakiwallas or black_coats fail in duty or collude with Feminists(most of them are of course black_coats....thats synergy of business) in sharing the booty, things go no where. Then, we demand for more power to Khakiwaalas and black_coats again. So, cycle continues till a day doom arrives.



Convince, 10 people in your neighbourhood not to give or take dowry. Make these 10 people to convince another 10 each. Its the drops of water which creates an ocean.



On one hand people demand dowry in public forums and on the other hand innocent techies get into false dowry cases. The law is there for everybody. But it is blind. It will remain blind however stringent we make it.



I do not see a single matrimonial site writing a single line against dowry in its front page. DQ, why do not you try to achieve this in next 1 years time(get 10 matrimonial sites to write a one line anti-dowry message on their front page). Do something for the helpless women which is tangible without preaching. At the same time, do not waste time to convince us that the word "Shrew" did not exist. Do not convince us that Kaikeyi and Ahalya (of Ramayana)did not exist.



As far as I am concerned, I was on TV voicing against misuse of dowry laws. I stood against dowry in every possible occassion in my own family and no dowry was transacted. Still I, went into a false dowry case. I told the police, arrest me please, I want to be inside the prison if I am wrong(if God wishes). I asked my lawyer, when will they handcuff me. They did not. They could not.



One day, I saw a vicious mother-in-law beating her very poor son-in-law in the police station and the women police stopping her and sympathising with the guy. But the evil women filed a false dowry case in front of my eyes and police can not do anything but to issue an arrest warrent as per law without investigation. Poor fellow, from where will he get a lawyer. From where, he will get Rs.10,000 and a surety for bail. He must have been inside for more than a month. We all will say who cares if there is a misuse of law for vindictive behaviour. Tomorrow, we may not have the right to blame him if he gets converted into a psychotic killer.



If you want any help to straighten telugumatrimony, please let me know.