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by akhilis2cool » Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:46 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:sorry Akhil....but this was too hard to resist.

Who certifies Tagore as a true patriot? No one other than our own perceptions. for me, he will always be a stooge of the brits. No doubt, he had great penmanship, but his true feelings for the nation will always remain doubtful.
why? just b'coz his poem was selected as the national anthem? is there nething else he has done which coroborates this point?



Frankly speaking, i dont know much about him other than what I have been taught in skool. if there is nething which we might have missed please do let me know.
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by DQ » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:51 am

akhilis2cool wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:sorry Akhil....but this was too hard to resist.

Who certifies Tagore as a true patriot? No one other than our own perceptions. for me, he will always be a stooge of the brits. No doubt, he had great penmanship, but his true feelings for the nation will always remain doubtful.
why? just b'coz his poem was selected as the national anthem? is there nething else he has done which coroborates this point?

Frankly speaking, i dont know much about him other than what I have been taught in skool. if there is nething which we might have missed please do let me know.




To hard to let go.



!!! Stooge !!! Aiso ke liye language badal na padtha.



So you have learnt to read and write today and all the great people are stooges and brickbats is it ?



To understand greatness you need to have respect. The problem with the likes of the above is, they have forgotten what respect is and bask in the glory of their new found "Knowledge"



Tagore.



In 1919, following the Amritsar massacre of 400 Indian demonstrators by British troops, Sir Tagore renounced his Knighthood. Although a good friend of Gandi, most of the time Tagore stayed out of politics. He was opposed to nationalism and miltiarism as a matter of principle, and instead promoted spiritual values and the creation of a new world culture founded in multi-culturalism, diversity and tolerance.



The above are signs of great people, worthy of respect, but again the "so called RVs" in their new found knowledge can only respect the "Modis and the Joshis"
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:35 pm

DQ wrote:
akhilis2cool wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:sorry Akhil....but this was too hard to resist.

Who certifies Tagore as a true patriot? No one other than our own perceptions. for me, he will always be a stooge of the brits. No doubt, he had great penmanship, but his true feelings for the nation will always remain doubtful.
why? just b'coz his poem was selected as the national anthem? is there nething else he has done which coroborates this point?

Frankly speaking, i dont know much about him other than what I have been taught in skool. if there is nething which we might have missed please do let me know.


To hard to let go.

!!! Stooge !!! Aiso ke liye language badal na padtha.

So you have learnt to read and write today and all the great people are stooges and brickbats is it ?

To understand greatness you need to have respect. The problem with the likes of the above is, they have forgotten what respect is and bask in the glory of their new found "Knowledge"

Tagore.

In 1919, following the Amritsar massacre of 400 Indian demonstrators by British troops, Sir Tagore renounced his Knighthood. Although a good friend of Gandi, most of the time Tagore stayed out of politics. He was opposed to nationalism and miltiarism as a matter of principle, and instead promoted spiritual values and the creation of a new world culture founded in multi-culturalism, diversity and tolerance.

The above are signs of great people, worthy of respect, but again the "so called RVs" in their new found knowledge can only respect the "Modis and the Joshis"




I'll answer both Akhil and DQ together...although looking at DQ's answer, I feel he deserved something more like a GPL.



Now...what we're talking about here is Tagore's feelings for the nation. DQ....you answered the question yourself. Tagore stayed out of everything to do with the freedom struggle per se in the name of being opposed to nationalism as a metter of principle. It's this attitude that gives rise to my feeling that he wasn't a patriot. Where did the love for the motherland suddenly come up in him that he wrote the poem that is now revered as the national anthem?



As for these feelings for him, I had them much before your "so called RV's" came into fashion. When I was in class VII, I had spoken in the school assembly on this topic and undergone a 4 hour ragda for having insulted Tagore. That was when maybe you were still suckling on to mummy for duddu.



I think there cannot be a simpler explanation for whatever I said. And if you still can't understand me DQ, you really need some expert help.
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by salamehyderabad » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:04 pm

W.B. Yeats was a great Irish poet. He was a friend of Tagore's, and a grea admirer of his works. He wrote a beautiful introduction to Tagore's Gitanjali.



Once an Indian disciple of Tagore met Yeats. In a letter to Lady Gregory in America, Yeats mentioned that he had told him that Sarojini Naidu's brother was unhappy that Tagore wrote a poem welcoming King George V. He also narrate to her an appetising story he had from the disciple warning her that it wa strictly off the record. It concerns the circumstances in which Janaganamana was composed:



"The National Congress people asked Tagore for a poem of welcome. He tried to write it, but could not. He got up very early in the morning an wrote a very beautiful poem, not one of his best, but still beautiful. When he came down, he said to one of us, 'Here is a poem which I have written. It is addressed to God, but give it to Congress people. It will please them. They will think it is addressed to the King.' All Tagore's own followers knew it meant God, but others did not." (The Indian Express, June 3, 1968)



The Calcutta Congress session began on December 26, 1911. The proceedings on the first day began with Vandemataram. The second day was entirely devoted to things connected with the welcoming of King George V, and this day the song Janaganamana was sung, and at the closing ceremony Rajbhuja Dutt Choudhary's



'Badshah Hamara' was sung. On the third day Saraladevi sang her own composition 'Namo Hindustan'.



The news papers reports had the following comments on Janaganamana:



"The Bengali poet Babu Rabindranath Tagore sang a song composed by him specially to welcome the Emperor." (Statesman, Dec.28, 1911)



"The proceedings began with the singing by Babu Rabindranath Tagore of a song specially composed by him in honour of the Emperor." (Englishman, Dec.28).



"When the proceedings of the Indian National Congress began on Wednesday 27th December 1911, a Bengali song in welcome of the Emperor was sung. A resolution welcoming the Emperor and Empress was also adopted unanomously." (Indian, Dec. 29, 1911)



In the eyes of many leaders of the day, loyalty to the nation and loyalty to the Emperor were identical. King George V had proclaimed on Dec.12 the annulment of the partition of Bengal. There was therefore nothing unnatural or extraordinary in a Bengali poet, Rabindranath Tagore, composing or singing a song in praise of the Emperor out of gratitude. But differences of opinion were bound to arise when the question of its adoption as the national anthem came up. The choice of a national anthem should undoubtedly be one which can be a fountain of inspiration by the sanctity of its origin.



Rabindranath Tagore did not contradict newspaper reports which characterised Janaganamana as a song composed in honour of King George V. Gradually the tide of nationalism began to affect the old values. Loyalty to the country and loyalty to the King became irreconcilable. Honour, devotion and love of the country not only ceased to co-exist with honour, devotion and love of King Emperor, but mutually antagonistic.



Also the British government which was charging people with sedition for singing Vande Mataram extended high regard to Janaganamana. It was sung in Government schools, and in scout groups which fostered loyalty to the British throne. At the time British quit India, a fighter plane was presented by England to India, and on this occasion Janaganamana was sung. The British also praised the song.





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by DQ » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:14 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:
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akhilis2cool wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:sorry Akhil....but this was too hard to resist.

Who certifies Tagore as a true patriot? No one other than our own perceptions. for me, he will always be a stooge of the brits. No doubt, he had great penmanship, but his true feelings for the nation will always remain doubtful.
why? just b'coz his poem was selected as the national anthem? is there nething else he has done which coroborates this point?

Frankly speaking, i dont know much about him other than what I have been taught in skool. if there is nething which we might have missed please do let me know.


To hard to let go.

!!! Stooge !!! Aiso ke liye language badal na padtha.

So you have learnt to read and write today and all the great people are stooges and brickbats is it ?

To understand greatness you need to have respect. The problem with the likes of the above is, they have forgotten what respect is and bask in the glory of their new found "Knowledge"

Tagore.

In 1919, following the Amritsar massacre of 400 Indian demonstrators by British troops, Sir Tagore renounced his Knighthood. Although a good friend of Gandi, most of the time Tagore stayed out of politics. He was opposed to nationalism and miltiarism as a matter of principle, and instead promoted spiritual values and the creation of a new world culture founded in multi-culturalism, diversity and tolerance.

The above are signs of great people, worthy of respect, but again the "so called RVs" in their new found knowledge can only respect the "Modis and the Joshis"


I'll answer both Akhil and DQ together...although looking at DQ's answer, I feel he deserved something more like a GPL.

Now...what we're talking about here is Tagore's feelings for the nation. DQ....you answered the question yourself. Tagore stayed out of everything to do with the freedom struggle per se in the name of being opposed to nationalism as a metter of principle. It's this attitude that gives rise to my feeling that he wasn't a patriot. Where did the love for the motherland suddenly come up in him that he wrote the poem that is now revered as the national anthem?

As for these feelings for him, I had them much before your "so called RV's" came into fashion. When I was in class VII, I had spoken in the school assembly on this topic and undergone a 4 hour ragda for having insulted Tagore. That was when maybe you were still suckling on to mummy for duddu.

I think there cannot be a simpler explanation for whatever I said. And if you still can't understand me DQ, you really need some expert help.




So "Un KULL JI"....that Ragda is the reason that you have lost respect is it.



Charge your school master for Sodomy dude !!! Why are you venting it on Great People. Oh I get it, "You perceive the world as you see it. Of past experiences :-P" LMAOF :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:34 pm

Dq..I lost respect for him because I never saw anything that showed his respect towards the motherland. And the ragda happened much after I lost respect.



And I feel I have a right to like/dislike a person according to my choices...and not according to what others think. So please do not try and thrust your feelings onto me or else.....



And FYI...a ragda doesn't amount to sodomy. Sodomy has connotations of a sexual nature to it...while a ragda doesn't. A ragda is a military term used for physical punishment.
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by DQ » Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:22 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:Dq..I lost respect for him because I never saw anything that showed his respect towards the motherland. And the ragda happened much after I lost respect.

And I feel I have a right to like/dislike a person according to my choices...and not according to what others think. So please do not try and thrust your feelings onto me or else.....

And FYI...a ragda doesn't amount to sodomy. Sodomy has connotations of a sexual nature to it...while a ragda doesn't. A ragda is a military term used for physical punishment.




Oh Ok. Now you have clarified.



- Its your personal opinion, good bud. Keep it to yourself, beleive in yourself. Do not try top make a big issue out of it, it may be viewed as anti nationilism. How?

MO:

Tagore was exemplary in litreature.

His non indulgance in politics does not make him an anti national (non patriotic)

If his purpose was serving Britian then giving up knighthood is not justified. In those times and era giving up knighthood was as daring an act as standing in the firing line. (people who stood in front of the firing line have their named embedded on Shaheed Marg. Why shouldn't his ?)



National Anthem : People who decided "then" understood and appreciated independance more then we do today. In the era of global citizenship we cannot comprehend what it was to attain independance.



And those who fought for it and gave us the India we have today, decided to have this as the national anthem, and I beleive definatelly there must have been a thought process involved.



I have been respecting it as I consider it a praise / Hymn for the nation and will continue respecting it.



For those who have dug this controversy up, I would suspect their patriotism as it shows that all this while they have been standing up to a song that they did not belive in.



My question to them?

Were they standing up to it because they considered it was being sung for the crown?



How low can we stoop, just to gain a few political points we are tarnishing the

1. A great patriotic person (Tagore)

2. Our National anthem.



And to acheive what?
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:28 pm

DQ wrote:Oh Ok. Now you have clarified.

- Its your personal opinion, good bud. Keep it to yourself, beleive in yourself. Do not try top make a big issue out of it, it may be viewed as anti nationilism.


How can my dislike for a person be taken as anti nationalism? Is our country so weak that it has to depend on personalities for an identity of its own? I consider your viewpoint antinational DQ.


DQ wrote: Tagore was exemplary in litreature.
His non indulgance in politics does not make him an anti national (non patriotic)
If his purpose was serving Britian then giving up knighthood is not justified. In those times and era giving up knighthood was as daring an act as standing in the firing line. (people who stood in front of the firing line have their named embedded on Shaheed Marg. Why shouldn't his ?)


I don't think the freedom struggle was a political movement. It was way above politics and it was a question of one's self respect. With the kind of following Tagore had, he could have easily made a large difference to the dynamics of the freedom struggle, which he didn't. Hence I dub him a non-patriot.

As for giving up his knighthood, why did he accept it in the first place? Relinquishing it was nothing but a charade.

DQ wrote:National Anthem : People who decided "then" understood and appreciated independance more then we do today. In the era of global citizenship we cannot comprehend what it was to attain independance.

And those who fought for it and gave us the India we have today, decided to have this as the national anthem, and I beleive definatelly there must have been a thought process involved.


Quite right. I've maintained in my earlier post that I respect the poem just because of what it is. If you remember, I had given an example of disliking a prime minister personally, but respecting him just because of what he is. The respect is for the "national anthem", not for the poem.

DQ wrote:How low can we stoop, just to gain a few political points we are tarnishing the
1. A great patriotic person (Tagore)




I guess from what I've said earlier in this post, its very clear as to what Tagore's feelings for the country were.
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by DQ » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:22 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:
DQ wrote:Oh Ok. Now you have clarified.

- Its your personal opinion, good bud. Keep it to yourself, beleive in yourself. Do not try top make a big issue out of it, it may be viewed as anti nationilism.


How can my dislike for a person be taken as anti nationalism? Is our country so weak that it has to depend on personalities for an identity of its own? I consider your viewpoint antinational DQ.


DQ wrote: Tagore was exemplary in litreature.
His non indulgance in politics does not make him an anti national (non patriotic)
If his purpose was serving Britian then giving up knighthood is not justified. In those times and era giving up knighthood was as daring an act as standing in the firing line. (people who stood in front of the firing line have their named embedded on Shaheed Marg. Why shouldn't his ?)


I don't think the freedom struggle was a political movement. It was way above politics and it was a question of one's self respect. With the kind of following Tagore had, he could have easily made a large difference to the dynamics of the freedom struggle, which he didn't. Hence I dub him a non-patriot.

As for giving up his knighthood, why did he accept it in the first place? Relinquishing it was nothing but a charade.

DQ wrote:National Anthem : People who decided "then" understood and appreciated independance more then we do today. In the era of global citizenship we cannot comprehend what it was to attain independance.

And those who fought for it and gave us the India we have today, decided to have this as the national anthem, and I beleive definatelly there must have been a thought process involved.


Quite right. I've maintained in my earlier post that I respect the poem just because of what it is. If you remember, I had given an example of disliking a prime minister personally, but respecting him just because of what he is. The respect is for the "national anthem", not for the poem.

DQ wrote:How low can we stoop, just to gain a few political points we are tarnishing the
1. A great patriotic person (Tagore)


I guess from what I've said earlier in this post, its very clear as to what Tagore's feelings for the country were.




I can't be bothered about your absurd logic dude.



All I can say is give respect where it is due. I respect Tagore as one of the greatest sons India has seen. A patriotic person, who had the guts to stand up for the right.



Todays politicians to gain a few points go about tarnishing the image of these great personalities is not only absurd but blasphamey. They do this to justify their own actions which in the light of actions of these personalities is surely unpatriotic.



I have always maintained that India was built on a secular fabric with great contributions from the likes of Nehru,Gandhi,Tagore,Azad,Bose....and to tarnish this and spread their own (saffron/green/white/etc) logic today's "SO CALLED RVs" and Politicians feel the need to tarnish their image. Serving their purpose are fanatics to back them and threads like these which promote their purpose.



But at every corner they will find an Indian, a DQ foiling their attempts.





The Indian National anthem, composed originally in Bengali by Rabindranath Tagore, was adopted in its Hindi version by the Constituent Assembly as the National Anthem of India on 24 January 1950. It was first sung 27 December 1911(well before independance, mocking the king that what you thought was a praise to you was actually praising our mother land) at the Calcutta session of the Indian National Congress.



" Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka Jaya He

Bharat Bhagya Vidhata

Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha

Dravida Utkala Banga

Vindhya Himachal Yamuna Ganga

Ucchala Jaladhi Taranga

Tubh Shubha Name Jage

Tubh Shubha Ashisha Mange

Gahe Tubh Jaya Gata

Jan Gan Mangaldayak Jay He

Bharat Bhagya Vidhata

Jaye He ! Jaye He ! Jaye He !

Jaye,Jaye,Jaye,Jaye He "



This will remain our national song, we will rever it, the poet who wrote it .
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:30 am

DQ wrote:I can't be bothered about your absurd logic dude.

All I can say is give respect where it is due. I respect Tagore as one of the greatest sons India has seen. A patriotic person, who had the guts to stand up for the right.


I still don't understand on what grounds you're calling Tagore Patriotic. What did he do for the country?

Going by your logic, Nirad Chaudhuri, Vikram Seth, Arundhati Roy, Khushwant Singh, Salman Rushdie and even the Sucker Vidia Naipaul should be patriots. They're all good authors...aren't they?

DQ wrote:" Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka Jaya He
Bharat Bhagya Vidhata
Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha
Dravida Utkala Banga
Vindhya Himachal Yamuna Ganga
Ucchala Jaladhi Taranga
Tubh Shubha Name Jage
Tubh Shubha Ashisha Mange
Gahe Tubh Jaya Gata
Jan Gan Mangaldayak Jay He
Bharat Bhagya Vidhata
Jaye He ! Jaye He ! Jaye He !
Jaye,Jaye,Jaye,Jaye He "

This will remain our national song, we will rever it, the poet who wrote it .




For me, Jana Gana Mana is the National Anthem and Bankimda's Vande Mataram is the National Song.



And I pity your GK teacher in school.
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by DQ » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:43 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:
DQ wrote:I can't be bothered about your absurd logic dude.

All I can say is give respect where it is due. I respect Tagore as one of the greatest sons India has seen. A patriotic person, who had the guts to stand up for the right.


I still don't understand on what grounds you're calling Tagore Patriotic. What did he do for the country?

Going by your logic, Nirad Chaudhuri, Vikram Seth, Arundhati Roy, Khushwant Singh, Salman Rushdie and even the Sucker Vidia Naipaul should be patriots. They're all good authors...aren't they?

DQ wrote:" Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka Jaya He
Bharat Bhagya Vidhata
Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha
Dravida Utkala Banga
Vindhya Himachal Yamuna Ganga
Ucchala Jaladhi Taranga
Tubh Shubha Name Jage
Tubh Shubha Ashisha Mange
Gahe Tubh Jaya Gata
Jan Gan Mangaldayak Jay He
Bharat Bhagya Vidhata
Jaye He ! Jaye He ! Jaye He !
Jaye,Jaye,Jaye,Jaye He "

This will remain our national song, we will rever it, the poet who wrote it .


For me, Jana Gana Mana is the National Anthem and Bankimda's Vande Mataram is the National Song.

And I pity your GK teacher in school.




They sure can be termed patriotic if they have served the country.

Unfortunately they are not part of the freedom struggle, hence cannot be paired with Tagore.

"Story of Musalmani"

"Where the mind is without fear"

"Jana Gana Mana" are in my views way superior literary works then a "Moors last sign" <---- Writing this makes someone patriotic I would doubt your patriotism.



My suggestion to you, read this again



Todays politicians to gain a few points go about tarnishing the image of these great personalities is not only absurd but blasphamey. They do this to justify their own actions which in the light of actions of these personalities is surely unpatriotic.



I have always maintained that India was built on a secular fabric with great contributions from the likes of Nehru,Gandhi,Tagore,Azad,Bose....and to tarnish this and spread their own (saffron/green/white/etc) logic today's "SO CALLED RVs" and Politicians feel the need to tarnish their image. Serving their purpose are fanatics to back them and threads like these which promote their purpose.



But at every corner they will find an Indian, a DQ foiling their attempts.



Do not convienantly ignore it. :-D :-D :-D
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by DQ » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:44 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:
DQ wrote:I can't be bothered about your absurd logic dude.

All I can say is give respect where it is due. I respect Tagore as one of the greatest sons India has seen. A patriotic person, who had the guts to stand up for the right.


I still don't understand on what grounds you're calling Tagore Patriotic. What did he do for the country?

Going by your logic, Nirad Chaudhuri, Vikram Seth, Arundhati Roy, Khushwant Singh, Salman Rushdie and even the Sucker Vidia Naipaul should be patriots. They're all good authors...aren't they?

DQ wrote:" Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka Jaya He
Bharat Bhagya Vidhata
Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha
Dravida Utkala Banga
Vindhya Himachal Yamuna Ganga
Ucchala Jaladhi Taranga
Tubh Shubha Name Jage
Tubh Shubha Ashisha Mange
Gahe Tubh Jaya Gata
Jan Gan Mangaldayak Jay He
Bharat Bhagya Vidhata
Jaye He ! Jaye He ! Jaye He !
Jaye,Jaye,Jaye,Jaye He "

This will remain our national song, we will rever it, the poet who wrote it .


For me, Jana Gana Mana is the National Anthem and Bankimda's Vande Mataram is the National Song.

And I pity your GK teacher in school.




THE SONG iNSTEAD OF THE ANTHEM WAS A TYPO
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:56 am

DQ...you still haven't told me and others following this discussions as to how Tagore was part of the freedom struggle.
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by DQ » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:51 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:DQ...you still haven't told me and others following this discussions as to how Tagore was part of the freedom struggle.




My suggestion to you, read this again



Todays politicians to gain a few points go about tarnishing the image of these great personalities is not only absurd but blasphamey. They do this to justify their own actions which in the light of actions of these personalities is surely unpatriotic.



I have always maintained that India was built on a secular fabric with great contributions from the likes of Nehru,Gandhi,Tagore,Azad,Bose....and to tarnish this and spread their own (saffron/green/white/etc) logic today's "SO CALLED RVs" and Politicians feel the need to tarnish their image. Serving their purpose are fanatics to back them and threads like these which promote their purpose.



And for your query, ask your history teacher.



TAGORES WORKS!!!



Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;

Where knowledge is free;

Where the world has not been broken up into fragments

by narrow domestic walls;

Where the words come out from the depth of truth;

Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;

Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;


Looks like he was a sooth sayer as well, predicted the likes of you then.:-P

Where the mind is led forward by Thee into ever-widening
thought and action--
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father,
let my country awake




What the Father of the Nation had to say about Tagore



India's National Movement for freedom was accompanied by a large wave of social, educational and economic awareness throughout the nation. Tagore, one of the foremost thinkers in the country at the time spent time in building educational infrastructure. A man of true talent, his contribution to the freedom movement is significant. Gandhi has called him Gurudev (The Supreme Teacher).

Tagore who gave us our national anthem wrote - " I have loved India and sought to serve her not because of her geographical magnitude, not because of her great past, but because of my faith in her today and my belief that she will stand for truth and freedom and the higher things of life".





AND FINALLY FOR THE SONG AND THE ANTHEM. WHAT WE WILL ABIDE BY.



"The composition consisting of words and music known as Janaganamana is the National Anthem of India, subject to such alterations as the Government may authorise as occasion arises, and the song Vande Mataram, which has played a historic part in the struggle for Indian freedom, shall be honored equally with Janaganamana and shall have equal status with it. (Applause) I hope this will satify members." (Constituent Assembly of India, Vil.XII, 24-1-1950)



We will abide by this as this descion was made by the then freedom fighters of our nation who fought for our freedom and their choice will be respected until the existance of Secular India.



The purpotrators of saffron India, when they fight for and attain their gola can do what they want. If they do attain.
Tu jo sachchi hai larazti kyun hai aye zaban bol de darti kyun hai

qalb men khowfe khuda hai tere phir zuban sach se jhijhakti kyun hai


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