MK Gandhi

by ? » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:07 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4100961.stm

by **akhilis2cool** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:13 am

Hi ZC welkum back

by **Mayavi Morpheus\** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:15 am

Holy cow! Is that ZC :shock:

Welcome back ZC!

Ps; I voted for

Zia-ul-Haq... twice

by **akhilis2cool** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:16 am

I voted for Subhash Chandra Bose. It was a close call between him and MK Gandhi

by DQ » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:38 am

Interesting.

Irrespective of who you vote for an Interesting point I have noted in the comments of various users.

Pakistanis beleive Gandhi should be voted for.

Indians belive Jinnah deserves their vote.

Hmm interesting !!!

by **CtrlAltDel** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:39 am

ZC????

welcome back yaar!

btw, i voted MK Gandhi!

by **akhilis2cool** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:52 am

DQ wrote:Interesting.

Irrespective of who you vote for an Interesting point I have noted in the comments of various users.

Pakistanis beleive Gandhi should be voted for.

Indians belive Jinnah deserves their vote.

Hmm interesting !!!

Only one Indian has sadi he votred for jinnah.....

by DQ » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:21 am

akhilis2cool wrote:
DQ wrote:Interesting.

Irrespective of who you vote for an Interesting point I have noted in the comments of various users.

Pakistanis beleive Gandhi should be voted for.

Indians belive Jinnah deserves their vote.

Hmm interesting !!!
Only one Indian has sadi he votred for jinnah.....

You guys do not read or what ???

bbc wrote:I am a born Indian but to be honest I would recognise Quaid as the best leader of Sub-continent. His intellectual devotion and his whole life forces me to rate him as the best of all great leaders mentioned above.
Ravi Sharma, Delhi, India

I am an Indian, but I have to admit that Mohammad Ali Jinnah was the best leader. He was infact the one who gave india's leader the idea of separation from the British rule. He was the best leader for both Pakistan and India, but Gandhi was the best only Indian leader.
raj kumar, Bangalore, India

I am an Indian living in the USA, I believe the greatest leaders from South Asia on the list are Netaji Subash Chandra Bose, Chandrika Kumaratunga and Jinnah. They have done more for their respective countries as leaders than any others. MK Gandhi is obviously the most popular among the leaders on the list as he is probably the most recognised face not just in South Asia but all over the world. I consider him a great soul but not a great leader.
Rahul Mohan, Washington D.C USA

I believe that Mahatma Gandhi is the greatest leader of South-Asia who helped free the Indian people from British rule through non-violent resistance, and is honoured by his people as the father of Indian Nation. I am a Pakistani but I believe that such gems are hard to be explored. God bless him
Ali Wazir, Islamabad"

I must say before reading these views, The name Jinnah used to get my adrenalin rushing, Jinnah as percieved by me was a villian responsible for all problems.

The past few minutes I have started reading a few web resources (all my knowledge was from history thought at school) and there is a lot more that needs to be actually understood about the political scenario at those times.

Probably need to read both sides of history without Bias to understand what was going on then. It has sent me pondering I must admit.

by DQ » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:25 am

bbc wrote:It's a very interesting poll; possibly bit contentious - but thought provoking to say the least. As a Pakistani, my natural choice should be Mohammad Ali Jinnah but I think he was an accidental hero. British had already planned to abandon the sub continent. Even if Jinnah did in fact win a piece of land for Muslims it was too little, in the wrong geographical area and at too high a cost. Mahatma Gandhi, seems to be a better contender to be the winner since he introduced the whole concept in the first place. His plan cost the least price in terms of loss of life and his personal life, unlike that of Jinnah, does not seem to be a paradox of one's own teachings. My fellow countrymen may lynch me for saying this but that would mostly be reflection of state tutored propaganda influencing them since childhood.
Nouman Alvi, Edinburgh, Scotland.

Its sent me thinking am I victim of the same "State tutored".

by **akhilis2cool** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:40 am

DQ wrote:
akhilis2cool wrote:
DQ wrote:Interesting.

Irrespective of who you vote for an Interesting point I have noted in the comments of various users.

Pakistanis beleive Gandhi should be voted for.

Indians belive Jinnah deserves their vote.

Hmm interesting !!!
Only one Indian has sadi he votred for jinnah.....

You guys do not read or what ???

bbc wrote:I am a born Indian but to be honest I would recognise Quaid as the best leader of Sub-continent. His intellectual devotion and his whole life forces me to rate him as the best of all great leaders mentioned above.
Ravi Sharma, Delhi, India

I am an Indian, but I have to admit that Mohammad Ali Jinnah was the best leader. He was infact the one who gave india's leader the idea of separation from the British rule. He was the best leader for both Pakistan and India, but Gandhi was the best only Indian leader.
raj kumar, Bangalore, India

I am an Indian living in the USA, I believe the greatest leaders from South Asia on the list are Netaji Subash Chandra Bose, Chandrika Kumaratunga and Jinnah. They have done more for their respective countries as leaders than any others. MK Gandhi is obviously the most popular among the leaders on the list as he is probably the most recognised face not just in South Asia but all over the world. I consider him a great soul but not a great leader.
Rahul Mohan, Washington D.C USA

I believe that Mahatma Gandhi is the greatest leader of South-Asia who helped free the Indian people from British rule through non-violent resistance, and is honoured by his people as the father of Indian Nation. I am a Pakistani but I believe that such gems are hard to be explored. God bless him
Ali Wazir, Islamabad"

I must say before reading these views, The name Jinnah used to get my adrenalin rushing, Jinnah as percieved by me was a villian responsible for all problems.

The past few minutes I have started reading a few web resources (all my knowledge was from history thought at school) and there is a lot more that needs to be actually understood about the political scenario at those times.

Probably need to read both sides of history without Bias to understand what was going on then. It has sent me pondering I must admit.

Ok make that two ppl. (others have only mentioned his name among the prominent ones.) how can u make a generalised statement in this case?

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:42 am

DQ wrote:
bbc wrote:I am a born Indian but to be honest I would recognise Quaid as the best leader of Sub-continent. His intellectual devotion and his whole life forces me to rate him as the best of all great leaders mentioned above.
Ravi Sharma, Delhi, India

I am an Indian, but I have to admit that Mohammad Ali Jinnah was the best leader. He was infact the one who gave india's leader the idea of separation from the British rule. He was the best leader for both Pakistan and India, but Gandhi was the best only Indian leader.
raj kumar, Bangalore, India
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I must say before reading these views, The name Jinnah used to get my adrenalin rushing, Jinnah as percieved by me was a villian responsible for all problems.

The past few minutes I have started reading a few web resources (all my knowledge was from history thought at school) and there is a lot more that needs to be actually understood about the political scenario at those times.

Probably need to read both sides of history without Bias to understand what was going on then. It has sent me pondering I must admit.

Since when did Indians start calling Jinnah "Quaid"? *hint hint* :lol:

by **CtrlAltDel** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:51 am

Quaid is a popular title like 'Mahatma'. when ppl refer to Jinnah or Gandhi with respect, they generally call them by their titles.

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:36 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:Quaid is a popular title like 'Mahatma'. when ppl refer to Jinnah or Gandhi with respect, they generally call them by their titles.

you didnt get the hint CAD. Think again... Quaid... quaid-e-azam. Not Jinnah just Quaid. :wink:

by **Sharjeel** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:56 pm

Voted for Indira Gandhi.

Dont think much of Mr. Nehru, who in my view was one of the people responsible for the dhoom after independance, and was a puppet in the hands of the British during the partition.

Mahatma Gandhi does not need any vote. He is above (almost) any mortal this world has known.

Other people I admire are AB Vajpayee, Jinnah (pre-partition), Gen Zia-ul-Haq, Subhash Chandra Bose. The rest of the people I know too little about.

by **akhilis2cool** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:57 pm

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:
CtrlAltDel wrote:Quaid is a popular title like 'Mahatma'. when ppl refer to Jinnah or Gandhi with respect, they generally call them by their titles.

you didnt get the hint CAD. Think again... Quaid... quaid-e-azam. Not Jinnah just Quaid.

U mean jinnah = arvind shivajinagar? :wink:

by **Der Schakal** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:27 pm

Hey welcome back ZC>Many people were wondering about you.

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:30 pm

Sharjeel wrote:
Other people I admire are AB Vajpayee, Jinnah (pre-partition), Gen Zia-ul-Haq, Subhash Chandra Bose. The rest of the people I know too little about.

Geee... why do u admire Zia-ul-Haq of all the people :shock:

He is the root cause of every known problem pakistan is facing today.

Akhil:

Arvind Shivaginagar? Arnold Schwargenneger?

OK, why I am stressing on Quaid is that its a urdu word meaning great leader (Quaid-e-azam) and only pakistanis use that word to refer to Jinnah. If Indians use the word, we would say Quaid mahatma, or Quaid nehru or Quaid Jinnah or whatever... but when you just say Quaid and mean jinnah, then you are a pakistani

So the person who sent that email is a pakistani masquearading as Indian. If u scroll down that list, you would find a comment sent by Pakistani praising zia-ul-huq. I am 99% sure that it was sent by an Indian masquerading as pakistani (its sarcastic actually).

by **ycr007** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:04 pm

Hmm...I Voted For Mahatma Gandhi...altho wanted to vote for Jawaharlal Nehru....

by **mark** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:58 pm

DQ wrote:
bbc wrote:My fellow countrymen may lynch me for saying this but that would mostly be reflection of state tutored propaganda influencing them since childhood.
Nouman Alvi, Edinburgh, Scotland.

Its sent me thinking am I victim of the same "State tutored".

we're all blinkered (brainwashed is too strong a word, but not a million miles off) by our respective societies, i've been brought up with animosity towards the english all around me (in Irish schools calling someone a brit is one of the biggest insults possibe without refering to their mother) not widespread hatred, but a fairly serious chip on our shoulder. i still want england to get beaten in pretty much every sport, even if it's one i don't care about or understand, and even if it's against a country i couldn't pick out on the map.

as i've grown older it's something i've tried to fight against, as it's stupid to hate a country and it's people now for actions that happened decades ago, centurys ago.

by **akhili2scool** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:10 pm

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:Akhil:
Arvind Shivaginagar? Arnold Schwargenneger?

dont bother thinking too much abt it mayavi.!

jus thst i remembered arnie being called quaid in the movie Total Recall :lol:

by **CtrlAltDel** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:42 pm

akhili2scool wrote:jus thst i remembered arnie being called quaid in the movie Total Recall

thats Quaid...pronounced QUAYD.

Jinnah is Quaid....similar to Khaid

by **ycr007** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:44 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:
akhili2scool wrote:jus thst i remembered arnie being called quaid in the movie Total Recall
thats Quaid...pronounced QUAYD.
Jinnah is Quaid....similar to Khaid

Quaid as in Dennis Quaid :?:

Quaid=Khaidi as in Chiranjeevi Movie Quaidi :?:

by **Sharjeel** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:53 pm

Mayavi Morpheus wrote:Geee... why do u admire Zia-ul-Haq of all the people He is the root cause of every known problem pakistan is facing today.

He started to mellow down, and was in the process of building Indo-Pak friendship, just before his death. The rest of the politics I dunno about...

by **daisy** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:20 pm

I voted for gandhi 4 times. It is not allowing me to vote anymore :lol:

by DQ » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:09 am

mark wrote:
DQ wrote:
bbc wrote:My fellow countrymen may lynch me for saying this but that would mostly be reflection of state tutored propaganda influencing them since childhood.
Nouman Alvi, Edinburgh, Scotland.

Its sent me thinking am I victim of the same "State tutored".

we're all blinkered (brainwashed is too strong a word, but not a million miles off) by our respective societies, i've been brought up with animosity towards the english all around me (in Irish schools calling someone a brit is one of the biggest insults possibe without refering to their mother) not widespread hatred, but a fairly serious chip on our shoulder. i still want england to get beaten in pretty much every sport, even if it's one i don't care about or understand, and even if it's against a country i couldn't pick out on the map.
as i've grown older it's something i've tried to fight against, as it's stupid to hate a country and it's people now for actions that happened decades ago, centurys ago.

True so very true Mark.

I recollect, a few years ago I was vehemently an anti Paki.

Infact had a few street brawls etc opposing moderators(who even showed a lil bit of inclination towards pak). But yes today is a different story, maybe sport and competition I still enjoy India trouncing them, but when it comes to hating and abusing I have simmered.

Maybe its the effect of moving out and getting to know a few of them. Whats more appaling in the Indo-Pak relation is how common we are as individuals, the way we get about our lives is so very similar, but that region on the globe is supposedly the most volatile on the globe :-(

Comming to Jinnah, today is day one since I have started viewing him out of the villanous role I had perceived him to be and this statement has made me think about and read about him even more,

'Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah did all three.'

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