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[Mayavi Morpheus]

alright, I figured that the mods cant bring back a deleted site. So I am continuing the discussion here.

1. A society can function and stay at peace when there is no love. You do not need to love your neighbour to have respect for him.

Exactly where I started from. You do not need to love them, but hate begets hate.

But once you have hatred in your midst there is no way you can escape the eventuality of worse things to follow.

Like war and innocent lives lost. Where will this end ?

Exactly, if we spend our time and resources spreading hate we are only preparing generations to carry on this Hate wave....do we not?

A paki reading pakidogs will formulate another anti india site and the vicious circle grows.

>[b] Okay, Lets deal with it this way.
Accepted that Islam isnt the uniting factor for pakistan. But I guess a lot of us would like to know what holds that failed nation togeather. You do not need to agree with our assumptions but you do need to have your answers too. Just want to know if you are also disputing the known fact as to why pakistan was formed.??

I do have to agree with you when you say that religion isnt the only factor holding pakistan togeather coz that reason can not explain why Bangladesh came into exsistence or why sindh & balochistan also want to get separated.
We do have to look at other factors than just "the videshi haat" angle..

History of Pakistan, two selfish military rules, rest corrupt govts who fell to civil wars.

Do you call this a nation being held together. Apart from just being funded and maintained by external forces I do not see why this nation exists at all.

We as Secular and Prosperous India itself are slap on the face of a mistaken dream.

A mistaken dream of the likes of Jinnah and the "So called RVs".

Hmmm,, Mayavi agrees with what I have to say ,,and so does DQ , apart from a few minor disagreements which are bound to be there as we are a very diverse group here. So I was just wondering why were we arguing in the first place?:) when everybody is talking about the same points.
Its like the arguement about which is more a dozen or 12 coins.... everybody meaning the same but in different ways.
Finally a summary with what everyone agrees.

> Religion was cited as the only reason for formation of pakistan.
> Religion is no longer the only reason that holds it togeather,, its just one of the many other factors.
> India is definetely a safer and more secure place for muslims to grow and prosper than pakistan.

So here we are back to the discussion mode from an agruementative one.

About a site like 'paki-dogs' spreading hate,, this is a free world and you have all kinds of people trying to sell their wares. The answer to that isnt banning them but by making the gullible people more knowledgable. If you go on banning everything that you consider not good or safe by some fixed standards we will end up being in theocratic society rather than a free democratic society . Its the freedom of the people that ultimately brings peace. Free people dont have to habour hate or resentment towards others.That in a way helps in spreading peace and harmony around.

p/s: [size=12] [b] As I was typing this post , someone told me that the thread had been removed.
I fail to understand the logic that went into making the decision.
I have a few questions for the moderators to think about and answer:

>What was it that you found offensive about the thread? Was it the link that was posted to a particular site or the entire thread?
> Did you bother to go through the whole thread and the various posts on the thread and see if the discussion on it was mature or not?
> Do the moderators think that the members on fhdb do not have the maturity to understand and react to certain kinds of material posted on the boards?
> What matters most on a disscussion board? The view point of one member ( whose posts do not even border on issues that anyone even thinks about in their weirdest dreams) or the worthy discussion that other members had on the particular thread?
> Do you think its fair to the members who actually posted on that thread investing their time and thought rather than just spam about " butts and asses" and get their postes removed?



I do have many more questions , but if the moderators answer to these then I think I can spare my time to ask them for clarifications.
Finally I wish that the moderators do spend sometime over a request before honouring it in a hurry. I wish better judgement prevails and the thread is back where it belongs ,, back on the boards.

p.s to a p.s: There are a whole lot of things you can to do rather than just remove the thread,, like..change the title, deactivate the link, or make the link redirect, or not let it be posted in the first place rather remove it after its been their for while and been discussed about.

I have minor nitpicks to make which I will post tomorrow.



Please continue the discussion here.

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[mark]

could you not have at least called the _ thread something else MM?

[lonewolf]

could you not have at least called the _ thread something else MM?

Haha



i like the title of the thread

[Mayavi Morpheus]

could you not have at least called the _ thread something else MM?

I didnt start this thread mark

[mark]

alright, I figured that the mods cant bring back a deleted site. So I am continuing the discussion here.

I'm very sorry MM, i read the above and assumed that you had posted the thread under that user name.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

alright, I figured that the mods cant bring back a deleted site. So I am continuing the discussion here.

I'm very sorry MM, i read the above and assumed that you had posted the thread under that user name.

hey no probs!



I too didnt realise that the person had hidden his identity when starting this thread, anyone could have made that mistake.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

> Religion was cited as the only reason for formation of pakistan.
> Religion is no longer the only reason that holds it togeather,, its just one of the many other factors.
> India is definetely a safer and more secure place for muslims to grow and prosper than pakistan.

I dont agree with your second point reality.

IIRC, in the deleted thread you gave examples of Banglades and Baluch, sindh provinces to vindicate your claims that religion is not holding that country togather. DQ saab says that its America and few jahils in pakistan that hold pakistan togather.

DQ and me are at different frequencies, so I let it pass.

I am talking about whats holding pakistan togather from disintegrating, while DQ is talking about whats ruling/controlling pakistan, two seperate things.



You said that formation of bangladesh shows that religion is not holding them togather. Thats a wrong conclusion IMHO. Look at it this way. There is nothing common between Bengalis and Pakistani's except for Islam. This was the premise on which bengal became a part of paksitan during partition. Then came the military coup and Zia-ul-haq came to power and started the islamization of pakistan. He introduced the martial race theory that pakistanis are racially superior to Indians. All is fine if pakistans population is a homgenous one, but it is not. Bangladeshis donot fir the tall, fair arab profile of the martial theory and hence started the step motherly treatment of bengalis.Inspite of all this, bengalis sticked with pakistan till the Pakistani army started killing millions of bengalis (more than 3 million were killed). Then even religion couldnt justify co-existence and they seperated but still remained a Islamic country by popular choice, inspite of the fact that 25% of its population is Hindu, they declared that Bangladesh will be Islamic state.

This alone proves that Islam is their way of life and is a bonding force of their country, and there is nothing wrong in it. Its not a crime to be a Islamic country, though I dont support the concept.

Then there is Sindh and Baluch. Sindi's are trying for a seperate Sindhustan and Baluchs for a seperate Balochistan, but its the religion which prevails over culture and keeps them a part of Pakistan than any other stan. Baluchistn is a backward state inspite of it being very rich in natural resources and oil. The state doesnt have infrastructure or employment oppurtunities, all of which goes to Pakistani Punjab. This is the cause for resentment and the unifying factor is religion. When the conditions become so worse that even religion doesnt justify their co-existence, they too will seperate.



PS: TO all those clueless kids who think that discussing pakistan means hate mongering or hating Islam, grow up or just stay away from this thread.