Russel Crowe

by **azazel** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:54 pm

well, guess this was just going out of hand b/w me n AB.. so, im askin the Q here.. shall post the whole discussion too..

by **Scorpion's Sting** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:57 pm

I'm with Az on this one, i think the Aussie is an excellent actor. Albeit haven't seen many movies of his, he was exceptional in the ones i have seen.

by **azazel** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:59 pm

AB

Russell Crowe sucks... he is a log of wood.

Az :arrow:

huh? he's one of my fav. actors n that statement doesnt even deserve a debate

AB :arrow:

You like the foul mouthed Aussie... His acting skills are no way near anything mentionable. I dont understand how he gets casted and recasted. I would rate Cruise better than Crowe.

Az :arrow:

He is most definitely a better actor than Tom "$$$" Cruise.

AB :arrow:

Crowe uses the same type casted emotions for all the characters. A good actor casts himself in the role not the role into himself. We dont want to see him.. we want to see him portray the character

Az :arrow:

have u seen the four movies where he was nominated for his acting prowess? As a hot-headed cop in L.A.Confidential, the scientist caught in a catch-22 situation in The Insider, the cheated Roman warrior in Gladiator and the troubled Math genius in A Beatiful Mind?? 4 different characters n he excelled in bringing out even the minutest of nuances among them. the role in L.A.C was prolly the closest to his real self

AB :arrow:

The range of emotions he shows in L.A.Confidential as a cop are same as the ones he shows in "Proof of life". And again in "The quick and the dead"... I think he makes any role he plays bland.

Az :arrow:

In L.A.Confidential, he played an angry cop who knows how to get justice done. In Proof Of Life, he is a calm n calculated negotiator. i dont see, wht u found similar in those characters. he was hardly known nor have a good role in The Quick n The Dead!

by **azazel** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:13 pm

AB

He brings down the intensity of the role and casts the role in his own mannerisms. The way he smiles, the way he cries, the way he becomes angry is always the same.

Az :arrow:

dude, the subtlety he brings to the characters he plays albeit in the past few years is unmistakeable. he clearly humbled an actor like Al Pacino despite being kind of relegated in The Insider! u havent seen his best performances yet or chose to ignore them

AB :arrow:

I mean to ask him a question... "You have been in the movies for so long, how have you grown as a person and as an actor"?.

Az :arrow:

being nominated for the Oscars consecutively for 4 years isnt good enuff?

AB :arrow:

You stay long enough in the Film Industry and you are bound to land on some Oscars nominations here and there. Oscar nominations is no scale to measure the talent. For every Big budget movie that is made there are many good films that go unnoticed.. many good actors go unrecognized. I dont know if Oscars is the place it used to be anymore.. its become like a big party where everybody shows up to show off their clothes or their girlfriends and people just pick randomly from among their friends for the Oscars. I stopped watching. But as i said he has range.

AB :arrow:

On the contrary people like Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington try to portray the character as it is supposed to be.

Az :arrow:

name a few Liam Neeson movies other than Schindler's List plz. Morgan Freeman is one actor that doesnt require me to praise. he is just impeccable with an amazing screen presence n charm. Denzel Washington too is an amazing actor. but, where is the true comparison man?

AB :arrow:

You ask for a true comparison but all this talk about who we like as an actor is subjective. I like to see certain things in people when they play a role and I am sorry to say the Aussie boy just doesnt cut it. I might be harsh on him but thats my opinion. Maybe in furture if he starts acting I will come to recognize him as a good actor. Till then we are on the opposite side of the line on this issue.

by **Sharjeel** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:36 pm

He did a wonderful job in A Beautiful Mind. Even though Gladiator did not require an exquisite array of acting skills, he did good in that too. And also saw a small portion of a much hyped movie Master And Commander or something like that; he was good in that too.

But I vote for him just for A Beautiful Mind. He really did a good job in that movie. But I would really wait for a few more movies.

I jumped to conclusions with Val Kilmer and he seems to have flopped after a few good performances.

by **The Jackal** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:53 pm

azazel wrote:Az name a few Liam Neeson movies other than Schindler's List plz. Morgan Freeman is one actor that doesnt require me to praise. he is just impeccable with an amazing screen presence n charm. Denzel Washington too is an amazing actor. but, where is the true comparison man?

Star Wars..... :twisted:

.Russel Crowe is a good actor no doubt but I hate his attitude.He just cant go on hitting people.In Gladiator he was playing himself,there was no scope for acting in that movie,he should have won an oscar for his role in A Beautiful Mind/L.A.Confidential.IMO the best actor in this generation is Sean Penn.Awesome actor.

And Lian Neeson is an underated actor,he just doesnt know how to pick up roles. :roll:

by **marko** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:18 pm

have only seen a few of his movies, so i can't comment

on the overall argument, however i love LA Confidential, a great

performance by everyone involved. Gladiator didn't require subtle acting.

Overall from what i've seen IMO he's in the same

league as Cruise (who has some excellent performances eg Magnolia)

ps i've only seen Gladiator and LA Confidential and am just going on that, don't gore me too bad Az.

by **azazel** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:11 pm

The Jackal wrote:Russel Crowe is a good actor no doubt but I hate his attitude.He just cant go on hitting people.

atleast u said the fact out loud! what he does otherwise doesnt matter to me..

In Gladiator he was playing himself,there was no scope for acting in that movie

dun think so. :roll:

he should have won an oscar for his role in A Beautiful Mind/L.A.Confidential.

L.A.C was good, A Beautiful Mind was brilliant[acting-wise]. the reason he didnt win it was the movie didnt portray a perfect picture of history IMHO

IMO the best actor in this generation is Sean Penn.Awesome actor.

i second that.. one of my favs.

And Liam Neeson is an underated actor,he just doesnt know how to pick up roles.

yea, he is a good actor. heard his role in n as Kinsey, about the famous doctor is garnering some Oscar buzz this year

by **azazel** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:14 pm

marko wrote:Overall from what i've seen IMO he's in the same
league as Cruise (who has some excellent performances eg Magnolia)

i'd rate him above Cruise coz i dun think Tom can handle complex characters well. i liked him the most in Born On the 4th Of July n Jerry Maguire.

ps i've only seen Gladiator and LA Confidential and am just going on that, don't gore me too bad Az.

ur safe doood..

by **Sharjeel** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:18 pm

I love Tom Cruise, but he is just another cute face. Rusell is more about acting and (portrayal of) attitude.

Altho Gladiator was not so much abt acting, he did put a lot into it with his own style of attitude e.g. the scene with the his executioners, when he returns to his ravaged home, the final fight. Dun think other actos would be as convincing in those and more scenes.

by **azazel** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:41 pm

Sharjeel wrote:I love Tom Cruise, but he is just another cute face. Rusell is more about acting and (portrayal of) attitude.

i wouldnt say that gramps. TC is a good actor, just does more commercially viable cinema.

Altho Gladiator was not so much abt acting, he did put a lot into it with his own style of attitude e.g. the scene with the his executioners, when he returns to his ravaged home, the final fight. Dun think other actos would be as convincing in those and more scenes.

dude, it was all about the acting, making it a convincing portrayal!

Joaquin Phoenix was brilliant in his role too

by **marko** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:46 pm

Sharjeel wrote:I love Tom Cruise, but he is just another cute face. Rusell is more about acting and (portrayal of) attitude.

Altho Gladiator was not so much abt acting, he did put a lot into it with his own style of attitude e.g. the scene with the his executioners, when he returns to his ravaged home, the final fight. Dun think other actos would be as convincing in those and more scenes.

TC in Magnolia, complex character, well acted, very different to his usual. too comercial for my liking in Last Samurai, Minority Report, Jerry Maguire, Top Gun, just didn't stand out for me, like he really didn't put that much thought into the roles he accepted. As for Russel, i'll hold off making a judgment till i see A Beautiful Mind

by **azazel** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:55 pm

marko wrote:TC in Magnolia, complex character, well acted, very different to his usual.

complex? he was over-the-top to the T as reqd. he had more complex characters in Born On The 4th Of July, even Vanilla Sky. heard he's good in Collateral too, hafta see it.

by **marko** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:01 am

azazel wrote:
marko wrote:TC in Magnolia, complex character, well acted, very different to his usual.

complex? he was over-the-top to the T as reqd. he had more complex characters in Born On The 4th Of July, even Vanilla Sky. heard he's good in Collateral too, hafta see it.

nope, i think his acting in Magnolia far exceeds Vanilla Sky (wasn't too impressed with it) much more depth of character once you see beyond the smartass. over-the-top at the start of the film perhaps, but a real person (i've met many like him)

by **Jaan** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:23 am

Just read the whole thread!

Russell, my man! He is FINE. And, is a FINE actor!

I will agree with Mammu on this, I think he is better than shorty Tom. He only gets so much coverage because of the whole Nicole Kidman fiasco.

Jaan

by **azazel** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:35 am

Jaan wrote:Just read the whole thread!

bravo *clap clap*

Russell, my man! He is FINE. And, is a FINE actor! I will agree with Mammu on this, I think he is better than shorty Tom.

one more believer, some day the world will be mine.. all mine *evil laugh* *ahem* have u voted? :roll:

He only gets so much coverage because of the whole Nicole Kidman fiasco.

he's a good actor, cant take tht away..

by **Jaan** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:45 am

azazel wrote:one more believer, some day the world will be mine.. all mine *evil laugh* *ahem* have u voted?

world domination dreams again, Mammu?

Yes, I voted.

Jaan

by **azazel** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:47 am

Jaan wrote:world domination dreams again, Mammu?

there's a line from a Pearl Jam song which goes : someday yet, he'll begin his life again :roll:

Yes, I voted.

thank you

by **lonewolf** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:49 am

Russel Crowe is a very good actor. And how the heck can you compare him to Tom Cruise?? Tom Cruise's movies run in theatres only because chicks flock to see his face on the large screen. He has no acting talent or anything except give that silly schoolboy smile.

by **azazel** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:49 pm

lonewolf wrote:He has no acting talent or anything except give that silly schoolboy smile.

dude, Cruise is a good actor, no doubt about that. he's adequate in most of his roles, just does a bit more commercially viable movies where not too much acting prowess is reqd.

by **Habitual Perfectionist** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:34 am

Right Said Az. TC is a good actor and saying that he is a hit just because females like his face or because of Nicole Kidman would be wrong. He's definitely not my fave though.

I've seen Collateral...and although the print sucked (the way the usual malaysian prints are).

Russell Crowe is another whom I consider a good actor but definitely not among my favourites. My favourites would be....

Oldtimers : Cary Grant, Lawrence Olivier, David Niven, Paul Newman, Sean Connery, Clint Eastwood, James Dean, Sidney Poitier, Jack Nicholson

Current generation : Tom Hanks, Denzel Washington, John Travolta, Sean Penn, George Clooney

Newcomers : Colin Farrell, Matt Damon, Ed Norton.

by **lonewolf** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:24 am

azazel wrote:
lonewolf wrote:He has no acting talent or anything except give that silly schoolboy smile.

dude, Cruise is a good actor, no doubt about that. he's adequate in most of his roles, just does a bit more commercially viable movies where not too much acting prowess is reqd.

Yes, and the movie makers have realised that his acting talent is very limited, thats why they give him roles which don't require much acting.. not totally his fault though. He may have done well in most commercial movies, but imagine how it would be if he were the lead actor in Gladiator or A Beautiful Mind!!

by **Alexis** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:09 am

I didnt think much of him.....then A Beautiful Mind happened, and he totally redeemed himself as an actor. What a brilliant movie! What an Oscar-worthy performance!

by **malakpetmasala** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:34 am

Yet another aussie to rock the scene after Mel gibson and will soon be followed by Hugh Jackman, and sadly, Eric Bana

by **asli_badmash** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:18 pm

My point in short

1. Mr. Crowe has range but no depth.

2. Tom Cruise is a commercial actor. He has had his good movies and some good roles. The first I noticed him was in Top-Gun(Who didn't), but it was more the movie than him. The same goes to for "A Beautiful Mind".. It was the movie that Mr.Crowe who made the mark.

3. HP: Thats a good line up. Some of my favs have made your list. And thanks for leaving out Mr.Crowe. :roll:

What do you think about these people...

Yul Brynner - His role in Magnificent Seven Series was awesome. I just love him in his role.

Gregory Peck - His role of a father in "To Kill a Mocking Bird" is examplary. He was so cool in that. Plus he is a damn good looking guy.

Russel Crowe

how would u rate Russel Crowe as an actor?

Russel Crowe

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