Drop Sachin from the Indian Cricket Team

[neeraja]

Friend in need a friend indeed\",, when there is a requirement during the crucial time what has sachin did.. you all talk so much about his average etc,, has he proved anyting now?/ why did he not prefom well in the last two matches?? if he is considered as one of the best Bat in the world?? i have nothing against him, but what was his contrubution when others failed...?? he is supposed to have an edge over others?/ when why is he not exhibiting it out... the reason is over confidence.. he considers himself as indispinciple,,,,that is why..he should be dropped for a couple of matches then he would realise.... will the board do.. no they do not have the guts to take a decison like that..because of politics and favouritism the real talents are not exposed,,, that is why our Indian team is not powerful, plus there are too many soponsory pouring money on the players, afterall they are earning money from the media, so why care for the rest???? afterall cricket is their career, the goal is to earn money,but they have already earned more without playing cricket... its we the cricket fans are the number one \"FOOLS\" wasting our time.....
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<br>I am sure my response would have/not be appreciated... but these are my views...

[ZC]

Neeraja and other anti-sachin ghetto: thats means coz ur friend was not able to help u in a few difficult times (remember that he has single handedly taken the team many times to victory) u are ready to breal the friendship. U value friendship very much i guess. God bless. read before u write. does any other batsmen have better average than him in this series? no, then y are u behind his ass ?

[kishore]

<br> Hey guys,
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<br> I have been following this debate since its beginning.I have just a few lines to say here.
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<br>All the fellas who say here that sachin should be dropped ,without doubt ,just wanted to go against the stream.They are for sure fans of him,But just doesn\'t digest when he fails even in a single innings.
<br>I Can surely say,that if sachin is dropped from the team,these guys do not care to see Cricket at all.
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<br> Who wants to see a sehwag,dravid,ganguly or laxman When u have the little master?

[neeraja]

Dear Zc,
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<br>yesterday was history, tomorow is future, today is Gift, that is why its called present... we are not intrested what he did yesterday and achieved,,,, come to the present,, \'\'even i was driving my bike so fast 10 years back, i can play 5 sets of tennis... i cant do it today, and i cant claim now saying i have played 5 sets of tennis game, those days i used to serve lots of aces.....listen friend. people are only intrested what one does today,, ok, just for the sake of argument dont try to defend for sachin... he is all craps.. yes he is the little master, but let him prove when there is a crisis... the heroism only reflects if some deed is done during crisis.....

[johnny]

Dayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. first of all dropping sachin from the cricket team is as a big crime as comiiting SUICIDE... u mean u people dont want the cricket in india to grow... wat the heck man.. he doesnt perform well in one matches( so be it crucial who cares..), doesnt mean he is not worth of even being in the team.. he has performed many a times when the team needed.. b ut that achievement is overlooked because that is expected of him... so when he fails in any of the otehr crucial matches( which he is bound to being a HUMAN), people cant digest it and go GAAGAA over it and HIM.. Poor fellow he has so much pressue on him everytime he goes into the field... cricket comprises of 11 players and wat the hell are others for? if only sachin performs all the time...
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<br>and NEERAJA... i agree with ur theory of live in present and dont live on past laurels... but that doesnt mean we canjust forget everything he ahs done in the past.. cuz thats the only thing we r sure of..( right?)... well if u were able to ride ur scooter or play 5 sets of tennis 10 yrs back then that shud be an achievement cuz at that time not many cud do that.... and only cuz u cant do that today doesn mean it was waste even doing them then...
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<br>ANY WAYS SACHIN IS GOD... IF GOD isnt SACHIN..
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<br>JAI HIND

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Forgive me if my post sounds stupid, I am not much of a cricket anal-yst .
<br>I have a question: If past performances are not a measure of a players talent, and if we are not consider the players exploits in past games, then what is the criteria for the selection of players?
<br>There is no gaurantee that a player who scored a century in a previous game is going to score anotehr century in next game. There are good chances that he may be out for a duck. How do we decide?
<br>Again, apologies if my question seems silly.

[ZC]

Neeraja: IF THE PAST PERFORMANCE DOESNT MATTER, THEYN Y R U WORRIED ? IT DOESNT MATTER WHETHER HE HIT A 100 OR WAS OUT FOR A DUCK YESTERDAY COZ U NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH HE WILL SCORE TODAY OR TOMORROW. jUST FORGET EVERYTHING AND TAKE HIM AS A FRESH CANDIDATE. will never understand ur logic. PAST IS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE FUTURE, personally, philosophically...for everyone, in any aspect. if u can forget past, ur a saint. I sure wont marry a girl when i know that her past is bad. sure wont hire an individual in my company when i know that he has been a hopeless worker. and there is something called trust/confidence when it comes to selecting between two individuals. and finally, Sachin went against all the stupid match fixers and won matches for India when they were actually fixed. and u are talking of kicking out such a person who is a living example of strength, courage, self confidence, die but never forget ur responsibility and morality kinda attitude. my poor english is limiting me from using adjectives..............finally, i will take a break with this feeling: people who want to cry will always cry. they can only be happy when they want to.

[ZC]

couldnt help but to come back: is someone trying to do what Vrinda did previouosly? call Hydies names and ur board reaches 100 posts in a few days. i guess people are trying to do the same again. old, cheap way of making ur board one with most messages .

[Andhraite]

As i said in my previous post, Neeraja garu ... ur post doesnot make sense to me ... once again, if u feel sachin is playing for money, then good news for u, check this out !!!
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Members of the Indian cricket team may finally get their graded payment contracts from the Board of Control for Cricket in India in December, almost 36 months after the idea was first put forth to the BCCI.
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BCCI joint secretary Ratnakar Shetty told rediff.com that copies of the draft of the much-awaited contracts were sent to Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly, Rahul Dravid and Anil Kumble during India\'s TVS Cup tri-series match against Australia in Mumbai.
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\"The players\' lawyer will evaluate the clauses and get back to the board soon,\" he said. \"We are on target for implementing the contracts before the team leaves for Australia.\"
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BCCI president Jagmohan Dalmiya had set October 1, 2003, as the deadline to implement the contracts, but with the players being pre-occupied with the Test series against New Zealand and the tri-series, it got delayed.
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The BCCI has excluded from the draft the clause under which players would lose a large amount of their match fees if they lost to a lowly placed team.
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According to the original draft, players stood to gain a bonus for victory, but lose 50 per cent of their match fees in case of a defeat.
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The bonus clause for beating higher-ranked teams remains in place.
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Once the players send their reply, the selectors, chief coach, and an official appointed by the BCCI will draw up a pool of 20 players who will be graded according to their performance and experience. This select group will be given an annual retainer fee. The three proposed grades are: Rs 60 lakh [approximately US $132,450] (Grade A); Rs 30 lakh [$66,225] (Grade B); Rs 15 lakh [$33,112] (Grade C).
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Currently a player takes home Rs 270,000 [$5960] for a Test match and Rs 221,000 [$4875] for a Limited Overs International, which is inclusive of match fees and logo money from sponsorship. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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source: Rediff news
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[coolnut]

Hi guyz we want to see Quality cricket..look at australia..theyve dropped Steve waugh ..several times..they dropped Gilchrist too...and have given chances to youngsters and the result is before us....a terrific team..in which everybody is a performer..no individual is greater than the caause of the team/country..Indias hockey teams coach has done well to keep media away from the players..otherwise theyll end up like SACHIN and SEHWAG as players only in ADDS and not when the team needs them agreed that he scores ...but for himself..he just doesnt want to withstand the grind...I guess time for people to pay him only when scores run....the other day when Leander paes was asked as to what makes him bring out magic during the Davis cup matches he says responsibilty of reprsenting 1.2 billion people..we love people like leander and not selfish Ferrari tax evader,multi crore earner but a beaggar who cant pax taxes like SACHIN.....I guess its time he concentarted on his restaurnat business

[Andhraite]

Tendulkar`s match winning centuries
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Playing in his 316th one day international at Gwalior, Sachin Tendulkar notched up his 35th century in this form of instant cricket. Of these, 27 times India managed to win the matches, yielding a high ratio of 77%. Thus whenever the master blaster has scored a ton India has managed to win three out of every four games. So who says Tendulkar doesn\'t play a match winning innings.
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Following are details of Tendulkar\'s 35 one-day hundreds: Runs Opponents Venue Season Result for India
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110 Australia Colombo 1994-95 Won
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115 New Zealand Vadodara 1994-95 Won
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105 West Indies Jaipur 1994-95 Won
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112* Sri Lanka Sharjah 1994-95 Won
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127* Kenya Cuttack 1995-96 Won
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137 Sri Lanka Delhi 1995-96 Lost
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100 Pakistan Singapore 1995-96 Lost
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118 Pakistan Sharjah 1995-96 Won
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110 Sri Lanka Colombo 1996-97 Lost
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114 South Africa Mumbai 1996-97 Won
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104 Zimbabwe Benoni 1996- Won
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117 New Zealand Bangalore 1997-98 Won
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100 Australia Kanpur 1997-98 Won
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143 Australia Sharjah 1997-98 Lost
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134 Australia Sharjah 1997-98 Won
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100* Kenya Kolkata 1997-98 Won
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128 Sri Lanka Colombo 1997-98 Won
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127* Zimbabwe Bulawayo 1998-99 Won
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141 Australia Dhaka 1998-99 Won
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118* Zimbabwe Sharjah 1998-99 Won
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124* Zimbabwe Sharjah 1998-99 Won
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140* Kenya Bristol 1999 Won
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120 Sri Lanka Colombo 1999-00 Won
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186* New Zealand Hyderabad 1999-00 Won
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122 South Africa Vadodara 1999-00 Won
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101 Sri Lanka Sharjah 2000-01 Lost
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146 Zimbabwe Jodhpur 2000-01 Lost
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139 Australia Indore 2000-01 Won
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122* West Indies Harare 2001-02 Won
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101 South Africa Johannesburg 2001-02 Lost
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146 Kenya Paarl 2001-02 Won
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105* Eng;and Chester-le-Street 2002 No Result
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113 SriLanka Bristol 2002 Won
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152 Namibia Pietermaciberg 2002-03 Won
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100 Australia Gwalior 2003-04 Won
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Man of the match Sachin Tendulkar scored his 35th one-day hundred versus Australia while playing in his 316th match. It may be recalled here that his first ton also came against the same opponent at Colombo in his 78th game almost nine years back. Thus in effect his 35 hundreds were registered in his 249 games - at a splendid average of seven matches per ton! Further on, as many as in 27 instances India went on to win the games, which yields a whopping ratio of 77%.
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source:www.khel.com

[coolnut]

that way sunil gavaskar should have still been in the team and include kapil too...

[Mayavi Morpheus]

I havent offered a explanation. I asked a question.

[Imran Khan]

Dear friends ! stop all these hype abt sachin juz treat him as we do fr 11 of them .as far as his game is concerned yah he has entertained us a lot dunn forget the Sharjah Cup final against AUSTRALLIA.
<br>but now apart frm sachin v hav gott great youngsters who can change the game like YUV,KAIF,SEHWAG. so v must not completly depend on sachin he shud play his natural game and leave the rest on the youngsters .
<br>well he shud not be dropped cos he is only expirenced one left. his expirence will b handy fr the team.

[vish]

thank God there are some wise people on earth

[ariesky]

Hi Mayavi,
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<br>Interesting question. That\'s where the question of AVERAGE comes in. You\'ll find a hundred people out there arguing \"statistics are *****\". But the fact is, if you want to have a true measure of a players capability, look at his average. That tells you how much a person can be expected to score on a particular day, whether or not its his \"lucky day\". Sachin\'s average hovers around 50, and it means that he will score 500 runs over a period of ten games. Similarly, Kaif\'s average if 30, and his performance will be along those lines. Remember how Kaif won us the Natwest final with a splendid century? Well, he scored in a BIG match, and in the India-Pak match in the World Cup. But he has been failing ever since.. and playing quite slowly for one-day matches. I\'m a fan of his style of play, and can\'t digest this poor run of form. A player can be dropped under such circumstances, so that he can review his technique.
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<br>Sachin on the other hand, has scored 48*,100,69 and 14 respectively in the four matches of the current tournament. That translates into an average of 77, and is way above his career average. It tells you that he is playing much better than before. If Neerja thinks that Sachin deserves to be dropped for scoring tons of runs, i think he should also pay his family doctor a visit.
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<br>I hope this has answered your query. There is no guarantee what a player may score in a particular match. Brian Lara scored just 1 run in his last test match innings against Zimbabwe, despite having an average of 50 or so. But we can ascertain that if he plays 5 more test innings, he\'ll aggregate 250 runs or so. All GREAT players have maintained their averages for years.. and its a fact. (A notable exception has been Kambli, who scored two double centuries in his debut series and kept failing in all subsequent matches, and was dropped from the team after his average touched a lowly 30)

[ariesky]

i hope sachin\'s 89 against australia has silenced a few critics out there.
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<br>he always scores, but no one else in the team scores anywhere near him. that has always been the problem.
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<br>guess who\'s the leading run-scorer among all teams.. in the TVS cup? not hayden or gilchrist... as usual its tendulkar.. just like in the world cup.
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<br>if only our bowlers could improve!! we would win more often

bull and whats the result..man you dontsee the [point its the team and sachins selfish flurry and exit is not waht we want

[neeraja]

Hi ariesky.
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<br>who cares if he is the leading in average and scored 89 in the last match... did India win?/ was he instrumental in India\'s victory?/ being a great batsemen he should have be capable of sticking on to his wicket until the target is atleast nearer.. when is not handy during crisis then what is the uses to be called the great little master... He Ganguly,shewag should be dropped for 2 complete seasons...afterall why should they care they have earned the money for the next 7 generations.. you and I are only arguing for them wasting our time buddy....

[MM]

NEERAJA, U GOT NO CRICKET SENSE(not even a single bit of that), SERIOUSLY !!! And, more over as u said don\'t waste ur time on this b\'coz ur posts on cricket r a big crap !!!

[ZC]

Ramachandraaaaaaaaaa Prabhuuuuuuuuuuu.............Krishnaaaaaaa Devaaaaaaaaaaa........... Yaaaaah Allah ....................O Yesuuuuuuuuuuu................

[neeraja]

Hi MM and ZC
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<br>I honestly enjoyed your replies no hardfeelings,, haha...
<br>whatever truth is bitter to accept dud....\"\"\' lets see what he is going to do today in hyderabad???
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[vish]

GUyz...I started the board ..I give up after today I admit SACHIN is SACHIN.....-

[Vish]

See!!! what I said is true Sachinshould be dropped..hez beter off playing for mumbai

[Vish]

Drop him...hez wasting a place in the team